4 Months Of Running Our Own DC Fast Charger! XCharge NZS Good & Bad w/ All Of The Data

[@steelbruin1]

I would suggest charging 25 cents per kw/hr. People should pay for the convenience and tje price is not outrageous. Upkeep costs could be more than expected.

[@Jako1987]

Yes. Spare parts costs money

[@dRadddd]

Agreed. 25 cents is meaningful enough to appreciate but not abuse.

[@junehanzawa5165]

I agree. And would also install a camera system to keep an eye on it. Not only to discourage abuse, but also to deter vandalism.

[@tababobi]

Especially possible concerns about copper cable "harvesting"...

[@Greytusks]

Yea, 12 to 14 is way too little

[@anton_grahn]

Totally fair to take a fee, should not feel bad about it, even $0.2 is fair imo

[@E_Schepp]

The signage on the dispenser should say "EV Charging Only" not "EV Parking Only" 🌝

[@Mr.SkaBob]

Yes. I have been to hotels were EVs seem to think they need to park in these sports marked EV Parking if they are charging or not.

[@busog97641]

Hear hear!

[@davidew98]

Correct!

[@ericsawatzky54]

Charged there at the end of November with my Model 3. Great charger and was really cool to use a NACS charging cable that was not at a Tesla Supercharger!

[@mmayo1320]

It's not unreasonable to charge a fee for upkeep. Great work, Kyle!

[@kenhiett5266]

Tesla owners rarely even think about which chargers to use from the day they purchased it. CCS vehicles come with a very different dynamic of immediately searching and testing the dependability of the different offerings. That's why the bulk of your charging is servicing CCS.

[@t3hpwninat0r]

I was gonna say something similar to this. It's no surprise CCS is used here far more than NACS because Tesla drivers don't know or even care that this charger is here. When they need to charge, their car tells them to go to a super charger station. CCS users, especially those who can't charge at home, are always looking out for chargers and they keep mental note of which ones are free or cheap.

[@williamclark6466]

This charger experiment is so awesome. I love that you encourage the public to use it so you can see how the charging sessions work, for SCIENCE.

[@deathraylabs_nature]

sucks that people mistreat these things. we have a neighborhood level 2 charger that is free and quite a few people are too lazy to even coil the cables back up to keep them from getting damaged and to be respectful to the next user.

[@SparkySho]

Childish Immaturity at its finest

[@SparkySho]

What’s up Zack

[@SparkySho]

Is 2nerdy

[@naga2015kk]

do NOT coil the cables during charging. It induces eddy currents and will heat up the dramatically. Its a safety consideration for the next person.

[@ProXcaliber]

@@naga2015kk I'm pretty certain that they meant to coil the cable back into its holder once you are done using it. Almost like the “be kind and rewind” of the old days with VHS.

[@polarbearigloo]

as a person who used free charging In my area please put a charge rate on the station. Its smart because free charging brings the worst out of people. they have cut cords, stuffed dirt in the port, and took the cable interlay. want more of these chargers in NJ. some supercharging is 44-50 cents a kilowatt. This charger and solar in the parking lot would be great.

[@gerhardk98]

Not just brings the worst out in folks that hold a grudge against EVs but also in entitled local EV drivers that start having a sense of ownership.

[@ab-tf5fl]

This doesn't surprise me the slightest. My workplace has lots of free level 2 charging in near-constant use. But, anecdotally, most of the people using it could easily charge at home, and use the charger at the office only because it's free. I know one person who even goes so far as to park his Tesla in dog mode the entire day (with his dog hanging out in the car while he's at work), using the company's free electricity to power the HVAC. The same problem has also plagued free Volta chargers at grocery stores for years; they get heavily used, but the bulk of the use comes from people with home charging taking a few pennies worth of free juice while they shop at the store, very little of it from people who actually need to charge. Bottom line, any charger that is open to a broad group of people needs to charge at least a nominal fee in order to deter people who don't need it from clogging it up.

[@ashleyross5205]

​@ab-tf5fl sounds like you're jealous 😅

[@gerhardk98]

@@ashleyross5205 I think he is saying it is the kind of person that only considers their own needs. Yesterday I was at a fast charger and there was a Mach E charged to 99% but waiting the 20 minutes for the charger to shut off at a 100% while we were waiting next to him. I know he knew that he was being a jerk because he avoided eye contact during the entire episode.

[@ProXcaliber]

@@ashleyross5205 People who have no consideration for others needs are the problem when it comes to public charging. Especially those who will purposefully sabotage the equipment because they feel entitled to its use, or the ones that will use it almost as a “premium” parking spot.

[@maxwellrobinson2924]

I assume the NACS isn’t used much because most teslas will just go to superchargers and not seak out 3rd party chargers

[@Mr.SkaBob]

I've see quite a few Teslas charging at EA when we have went on roadtrips. Also Kia / Hyundai is putting NACS in their cars starting this year with the others following in the next year or two. The Ioniq 5/6 and EV6 cars will will be looking for NACS chargers that are not supercharges since a 400V supercharger cut the charging speed in half vs a normal 800V+ charger. This charger says it supports 1000V so there would be no slowing on a 800V Hyundai or Kia.

[@blast3001]

Kyle, I would see if X-Charge can export a report every hour or every day and then that gets posted to your website. It will ensure that X-Charge doesn’t get hammered with access to the DB that hosts the data. All those users would crush it.

[@alancobbin]

Wow that doesn’t seem 4 months that’s crazy,charging a small amount for maintenance is a great idea as like you said it will just get abused otherwise,that charger is awesome,thanks guys 👍

[@C4rb0neum]

This is amazing. I love this technology and thank you Kyle for giving us all the info! Amazing that the battery was only 10 times empty. Buffering works very well it seems.

[@austinolson5302]

I feel like a system like this would be great for more rural communities and small businesses looking to draw in some revenue from people charging their cars a while they shop.

[@dennislyon5412]

This setup needs to be duplicated many times over for no demand charge applications out in the rural areas. That strategy may not yet be cost effective, but good to hear that this install is reliable of late.

[@Harrythehun]

25:44 As a former CPO I regard your numbers as normal. Extremely hard to make any money off fast charging. We couldn't even make up for the salaries for the backend, folks in the office, CPO and software programs, customer service, apps, banking fees, cleaning, tidiness. Only to break even to run the sites.

[@EVRick-Ioniq5]

I doubt that the Tesla navigation system routes Teslas to non-Supercharger NACS-plug DCFC stations. Your NACS plug will get less use than the CCS plug, but that does not mean the need for NACS plugs is less.

[@PygKLB]

@@EVRick-Ioniq5I agree about the Tesla drivers needing to look for this charger. However, the benefit of a reliable CCS fast charger will encourage drivers to come to this one.

[@BarryObaminable]

Nothing wrong with that. As long as you have a convenience store selling snacks, soda, and coffee. Coffee, cupcake, and car wash 10$

[@Bloodthune]

Just curious, is it possible to set the charger to only allow sessions up to 80%?

[@chex383]

Agreed, people charging all the way to 100% on a free fast-charger is just rude, IMO.

[@brianriebedriveselectric]

Fascinating usage so far. Battery backup was a perfect choice here. Looking forward to updates in the future to see long term trends and the impact of charging a fee. Thanks for testing this!

[@jimbroniec7359]

Kyle, you turned a charger into an ev bird feeder! 😂😂

[@lyledal]

Now I want my own DC fast charger!

[@ptviwatcher]

Your worries on battery longevity would be reduced if you could have a dynamic top limit, ie, at times of great affluence (eg: 8am to 10pm) the 100% limit could be unlocked, and times where the battery is less used (and therefore more likely to just sit there not being used) then the limit could drop to 80%. Or instead of just 2 options you could have weekly programmable scheduling. Maybe propose this software update to BYD?

[@Solar750]

I’ve been waiting for an update on this one. Thanks!!!

[@TheRealMartin]

But whatever happened to that first Autel DC Fast Charger that was sent over and you were going to have installed next to the powerplant?

[@billasweather7833]

I think it’s just power limits at the site. It’d probably be crazy expensive to install a traditional DC charger unlike this one with the internal batteries that allow it to send so much

[@JH-uu7jl]

The installation video for this site will answer your question. Not directly, but by implication. And it may change eventually if the 2nd problem below goes away. In a quick nutshell: there were two primary problems: the permitting process was taking an unreasonably long time, and the load demand charges offered by the local utility operator were unreasonably high to the point of being prohibitive. Using existing lines and not altering the shrubbery got them through the first problem but a battery-connected service was necessary to overcome the second.

[@ElectricAdventurer]

you should find out what other chargers in the area are charging and just undercut them by 10 cents. Keep the rest for repairs and for putting in more chargers.

[@billysturgeon8616]

gas pump handles sometimes have a large rubber donut near the end of the nozzle to protect them from damage.

[@guyg2005]

If you haven't done this already, have a camera monitor the charger so you can read the license plates of the car charging in case of abuse.

[@reiven272]

Made a trip out to the Powerhouse today to check out the unit! There was a Bolt charging on CCS already but I was able to park my Tesla right next to in and use the NACS cable at the same time! I made sure to put the cable back properly 😆 Let me know where I can send money for the 27kWh delivered. It was awesome just to check it out and observe the data between the two different vehicles charging at once. Luckily I have a 4680 so no trouble charging both at full rate. Thank you CSU and OOS!

[@zman4444]

Use protective clear foil, we use Heavy Duty clear vinyl for all kinds of protection, specially if we need to protect painted surfaces.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Amazing that the battery is similar in capacity to the Chev Silverado EV or GMC Seirra EV big battery trucks.

[@BarryObaminable]

what a coincidence

[@-Enginerd]

For fun, let's pretend Kyle is a Charge Point Operator, bought this charger, and wants to understand when he will break even. We'll have to crudely approximate some inputs. Assumed costs: DC Charger $275k, Installation: $25k, utility cost: $0.04/kWh Calculated utilization Rate: 22,000 kWh/ 4 months = 5,500 kWh/month Break Even (assuming sale price of $0.12/kWh as mentioned): ($275k + $25k)/($0.12-0.04) ≈ 3,750,000 kWh/5,500 kWh/month ≈ 680 months/12 months/year ≈ 57 years Break Even (assuming sale price of $0.50/kWh, a more common rate): ($275k + $25k)/($0.50-0.04) ≈ 650,000 kWh/5,500 kWh/month ≈ 120 months/12 months/year ≈ 10 years So, in summary, even if he has access to dirt cheap energy, has zero demand charges (atypical), no maintenance needed (impractical), no subscription costs, no insurance costs, etc.; the hardware will likely need to be retired before he breaks even. Ouch. What a poor business case.

[@DinanBMWm5]

That’s why you don’t see many 3rd party chargers that weren’t paid for by the government. It’s simply not economical.

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@-Enginerd Since this uses a battery, and the power connection is quite low when the battery is drained, its not as heavily used as a normal DC Fast Charger. If it were to be heavily used, then less than 5 years with proper pricing. And of course, if you were to bring the cost down, such as Teslas less than $50,000 per charger, then much sooner.

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@DinanBMWm5 99% of chargers out there right now have not been paid by any government money. Investors and partners have paid for them. It's only now that some are being installed with some NEVI funds. Tesla makes huge profits on their superchargers. Not on all locations, of course, but as a whole. And all till now all have been paid by their EV sales and investors. IONITY in Europe and a few others also make a nice profit. That's why they all want part of the game. They're not internet idiots like us making assumptions.

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@DinanBMWm5 99% of chargers out there have not been paid by any government money. It's all been paid by investors and partners. Superchargers make huge profits. Not all locations, of course, but as a whole. So does Ionity in Europe.

[@stephkent2736]

So a charger that does an average dispensing of 70KWh per car (100 KWh battery going 10 to 80%) charging 12 cars per day would dispense 100,800 kWh over a 120 day window. Even 8 cars per day would be 67,200 KWh over a 120 day window. While it may be "free", I imagine that being something you have to know about (and likely not in any navigation system) has the utilization way under where it would be otherwise. Break Even (assuming sale price of $0.50/kWh, a more common rate): ($275k + $25k)/($0.50-0.04) ≈ 650,000 kWh/16,800 kWh/month ≈ 38.69 months/12 months/year ≈ 3.23 years Break even at .30 to compete with gas: ($275k + $25k)/($0.30-0.04) ≈ 1,200,000 kWh/16,800 kWh/month ≈ 71.5 months/12 months/year ≈ 6 years

[@JoseJimenez-zf8cu]

Your approach is more than fair!

[@frenchy1224]

I would love to be able to see the data from the charger! A read only version would be great to have access to. And for a price, I feel like even $0.20/kWh is reasonable for DCFC while still being super kind to the users. I pay $0.30/kWh for public level 2 charging and that's the cheapest around me.

[@SidarthDasari]

Cool to know this exists in foco. I'd absolutely pay for it especially if you can put aside funds to buy another charger

[@MauricevanHees]

Great work, thanks for the update, and a have a good new year.

[@James_Ryan]

It would be a fascinating experiment to see how much people value DC-charging (e.g. start at 10c/kWh then gradually increase the price by 5c and plot the attrition curve).

[@moedog20]

Epic video thanks Kyle for all the info

[@SparkySho]

True professional

[@The8BitGuy]

"Phil" is quite a clever name! Have you considered, instead of charging for use, maybe put a sign and ask for people to donate to the charger if they use it?

[@thebritrealtor2384]

Love your videos David, great to see you watch Kyle too 👍🏻

[@SparkySho]

@8:22 students get 50% discount band nerds get 60% off

[@SuperShermanTanker]

Cool seeing The8BitGuy in a Out of Spec comments section. Not sure if donations will bring in enough money for repairs 🤔 somthing they would have to cosider if they go that route.

[@kevinlucas8437]

I agree .25 cents is fair. I'm not surprised some people are giving attitude. Some people think that all chargers are up for grabs.

[@bluee_ev]

Awesome insight into the use of public charging, highlighting the benefit of onsite battery storage.

[@fuller9x]

Do these support RFID? So authorized folks can unlock and charge for "free" and then public users have to pay via the tap and pay.

[@William0271]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@WestCoastChicano]

Awesome video as usual. I've had my Bolt EV for 13 and a half months and it has never been fast charged. A brand new Gm/EVgo DC fast charger station just opened in Anthony, Tx a few days ago and I used it just today. My first try at Plug and Charge was a failure because I forgot I didn't have a credit card on file. Once I fixed that issue it worked like magic. No buttons, no app, just Plug and charge. I ordered a NACS adapter from Chevrolet. Using my rewards points I paid $180. I pick it up on Monday. Next weekend I'm going to try a Tesla Supercharger. 🚙🇺🇸🔌⚡

[@Ghostanon404]

Ooooff, WebSocket directly* on the web. Would love to get a security overview of these units from this/another channel!

[@garybearman8771]

20 cents per KWH would be fair. Does the unit allow payments based on usage levels? e.g. 1-19 KWH for 20 cents, 20-30 for 22 cents, etc.?

[@tonymai1844]

Then people disconnect and reconnect the plug. Same thing to one hour free of charge at Target L2 chargepoint stations.

[@gerhardk98]

@@tonymai1844 In our area there are level 2 chargers that allow two hours free charging but have to be activated by their app so I imagine the disconnect only to reconnect trick is hopefully disabled.

[@kqschwarz]

Kyle, I love you and your videos, watching most all of them in their entirety. I do have one comment about the ratio of NACS to CCS usage (6 vs 16 megaWatts, if I recall correctly). I my opinion, that ratio on your charger means nothing. In fact, I am surprised there was as much as 6 megawatts of NACS usage (it must be the Uber drivers and CU staff). The reasons I expect the NACS to CCS ratio to mean essentially nothing on YOUR charger is: 1. I expect a significant fraction of the charging is done by your staff with your new test vehicles, a very high percentage of which are CCS. 2. I do not know of any manufacturers that are currently delivering cars with NACS ports other than Tesla. Therefore, any non-Tesla car will default to using the CCS port, even if they happen to have a NACS to CCS adapter in their car. 3. The fraction of Tesla owners that look for non-Tesla branded DC chargers is very low, therefore I expect very few Tesla owners would ever know that charger exists and even if they saw it, they would not investigate whether it has a NACS cable. As a Tesla owner, I hope the transition to universal NACS actually occurs. I thought for sure it would when it was first announced, but then Elon fired all the staff responsible for building out the charging system and then he jumped on the Trump crazy-train. If I were on the board of directors for an automobile manufacturer that was not Tesla, there is NO WAY I would allow my company to do anything that depended on the crazy whims of Elon Musk. Hopefully, they will switch to NACS because it is a better connector, but they should not do it just for the "Tesla network", as that would make them dependent on a team-crazy leader.

[@ab-tf5fl]

Agree. I also have a suspicion that a lot of the NACS use is not even by cars with NACS ports, but rather drivers of CCS cars using their NACS adapter. The reason for a CCS car to use the NACS adapter here would be when the CCS cable is already in use charging another car, so using the NACS cable with the adapter avoids having to wait.

[@bigbertha8]

Damn would love to see these everywhere.

[@TheRockHardKeg]

You should charge the market rate, if not more. Put it in a fund to install a second one!

[@sirishkumar-m5z]

The bZ4X's Panoramic perspective Monitor offers a bird's-eye perspective for easier parking and better visibility.

[@jamesdubben3687]

Cool, not what I was expecting. I had no idea you were operating a "public charger." The battery portion of the charger really opens up install options.

[@wzDH106]

Residential rates are quite generous. I was thinking $0.40/kWh for the low end. But I understand the curiosity for the data and content. Great information!

[@paulsmyers203]

I don't know how often, if at all, charging locations are down specifically because their grid connection is limited or has failed, but I really really like the idea of DCFC with local battery. In the circumstance of a regional disaster, I'm not sure a 233kWh battery is going to do a whole lot for the community, but for a charging location with a dozen or so chargers might have a 10mWh battery and could be used for general grid stability, improved charging reliability, and sourced for power-outage-conditions. Slap a huge solar canopy over the whole thing and it's zombie apocalypse proof (slowly).

[@tjsean0308]

LIke others in here, I'd suggest a fee that's a few cents above the residential peak rates in the area. It's more than fair to take some maintenance money in and de-incentivise people from abusing the unit just because it's free like your Uber driver. You could probably get an RFID tag for validated Powerhouse visitors and such.

[@davidbaker9943]

Well this is a bit awkward…where is the snow? Great video of course interesting dcfc

[@reidponiesc4]

I would think that the reason that the majority of your chargers use CCS is because tesla owner just use superchargers.

[@GrahamRiverProductio]

Unless my car says “go here” I’m not even going to think about using a different type of charger. It isn’t because I don’t want the another one . . . It just isn’t on my radar.

[@Mr.SkaBob]

It's cool you can double the capacity to 466kwh if you need to that would handle a large volume of cars per day. Wonder if other charger companies will start sending you theirs just for the free airtime on the channel.

[@josephmythen3844]

What was the initial cash outlay for installation of the charging unit at your office?...I can't see how payoff will ever be achieved.

[@bryanjohns5995]

Class act sharing this info.

[@WanderingCactus]

What's funny about the cable running, is that could be at least partially swapped by swapping the reel's mounting point with the cable's entry point, and that would hold the cord away from the dispenser.

[@kusa1403]

Can you make another video about the charging with the rivian gen 2 or just like an updated review after the updates they had the past couple months if possible. Thank you

[@brad12782]

City of Fort Colin’s (utility) charges an upfront cost to serve based on amps which significantly hurts required CAPEX and why a recent project didnt see higher kw units

[@ሂድ]

I'm seeing $0.35-$0.37 at all the chargers near me. Lowest I've seen is $0.3

[@profitgreenly5991]

Very cool. Could you configure this for demand response? That could cut your power costs even more by not charging during the most expensive hour or two of the day.

[@pazirandeh]

Low NACS use not a surprise because Teslas simply have good charging options and don't bother looking for anything but superchargers

[@tbone88015]

They will also assume if it's not Tesla it doesn't have nacs and not even come look

[@dennislyon5412]

@@tbone88015- or not able to preheat battery, so why “slow” fast charge if they can preheat while driving to a SC, assuming that’s miles away.

[@roncolson7305]

If you know a ccs charger actually works AND is free people will flock to it, that is another reason the ccs usage is higher.

[@Cowcow211]

I would experiment with your fee rate too, Kyle. Start low and work higher till you see a drop in usage.

[@rickmorenojr]

It is my understanding that it's good to charge an LFP battery to 100% at least once per month.

[@tymburrwolf7527]

In my little town there's a charge lab slow charger with both nacs and J-1772 but it's in operable right now

[@EP-mc5hx]

I think the wrap design should be green like the rivian with the white out of spec logo in the middle, big, with little bits if orange boxes/lines/stripes running horizontally and vertically all around the charger body, a bit like your intro video at 0:48, leave the black section where the screen is black . also the same for the smaller white control box at the rear

[@JoelKleppinger]

I'd really like to understand the unit cost (even just the public price if you got a deal from Xcharge) and install cost. That would help when advocating for this type of solution in a more rural, independent type environment.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Look forward to the viewer site to check on the charging session stats.

[@reiven272]

Sick shoes my man

[@stevedowler2366]

Kind of a surprise to me that CCS cars are predominant but Tesla drivers may just be sticking with their familiar haunts. It may indicate an increase in CCS cars which is good for expanding the EV community. Or it may just be that you maintain the system better than older CCS providers. 😎

[@TheHeath50]

I wish the chargers I manage have this kind of information. I get a bunch but not in an easily readable format.

[@samanthahagan]

Charge enough that it doesn’t become a burden on your channel but within what you still think is fair to pay as a fellow EV driver. Y’all have to meet overhead and this is another entry that can help keep the channels operating. Fans will visit and charge up for the Insta selfie. And it’ll keep another well maintained charger in the area for others to use, because y’all will make sure it’s taken care of and maintained. And a side bonus is that it could encourage other businesses and channels to directly support more public chargers as well. Def put your branding sponsoring on it like you’re the local EV Kiwanis Club.

[@garybearman8771]

Kempower at the Hub?

[@andreatoffolo3488]

do you have solar panels to charge the battery of the charger? Should'nt be a good idea?

[@bandit3456]

Perhaps a 1/4" clear lexan attached to the charger covers will protect the charger cabinet

[@jeffs6090]

20:37 Definitely not a shock or surprise at all that the CCS was more vastly more than the NACS cable. That will definitely change to be closer to 50/50 real soon when more vehicles have native NACS ports. I wouldn't even be surprised that most of the NACS usage so far was by people using their adapters. By all means, though, it was definitely a good idea to have it since, again, many more vehicles will be able to use it soon.

[@Willibopper]

I'd love to know what kind of ROI something like this could have / what sort of price over utility rates would you need to charge to pay for itself in ~5 years. Of course location/use rates would play a huge role.

[@oj9886]

Kyle Can we talk to the company of having a similar but smaller unit for home dc fast charging . That would Be a great idea . Charging using home electric and having fast dispensing speeds

[@corbin630]

30 cents per kWh is very fair. Would discourage use by people who don't need it and it would support repairs and upgrades

[@DougGrinbergs]

Reminded i haven't been to Fort Collins in a while. Interested in checking out Spin escooters, ebikes on nearby trails. (I miss Sustainable Living Fair)

[@jamesrea329]

Are you the Doug Grinbergs that used to develop Resourcerer for the Mac?

[@SmoothbassmanStudios]

I would be interested in the total costs for installing one. I would love to install one in an underserved charging area in PA.

[@WanderingRobotStudio]

Wolfbox supports OCPP which is great

[@riverakers]

What type of power plant is supplying your power for the charger?

[@petertu7359]

Could this be installed indoors? What is the cost? It would be great to have fast charging in my garage.

[@mike123abc]

How much does the Xcharge NZS unit cost? I looked on the web site and of course it is fill out a form and get a quote.

[@EV-Ger]

About 230K for the 233 KWh unit is what I got for a quote when we looked doing a DCFC station. A 200 KWh traditional unit is around 70K per charger - none of that includes any hardware.

[@mike123abc]

@@EV-Ger Given 22670kwh over 4 months is 7..87kwh average per hour or ~25% capacity of the unit. Assuming he charged an extra 25cents/kwh over his cost 22670*3*.25=$17k/year. So it would take 13.5 years to pay off the unit assuming no interest or repairs. Economics without subsidies do not look very good.

[@EV-Ger]

@@mike123abc Yep. We decided it wasn’t worth the start up cost of almost $130K for a single 2 handle station with only earning back 7-10K a year. Most of the companies take an additional 8% (of any sales for the month - (no minimum) for keeping it networked. Plus you have to subtract your kWh charge for the power too.. and any fees.

[@Matzes]

The economics gotta be very bad considering the huge expensive battery in there. Imagine how it compares to Tesla superchargers which cost like 40k$ and charge more per kWh. Pretty decent

[@CubbyTech]

Kind of a shame there isn't a way to feed a few 'regular' 6kW charging EVSEs off of Phil, for those who cannot charge at home.

[@nicolasvial8943]

awesome ! can you have stats on cars make and model ?

[@okayg5735]

I am fairly new to the Out of Spec world, so pardon my ignorance.I thought The Hub was the location of the Out of Spec office, but Kyle mentioned that the Out of Spec office is in the building shown in the video. If The Hub isn't their office, then what is it? tia

[@SparkySho]

Welcome to the ppaaaaaaaarrrtty

[@lua-nya]

Of course i cannot afford it, but this is the type of semi-public charger I'd like to open in my village. Not like my household's microgrid can do 3 phase 44A to keep it charged anyways, but hey, dreams be dreams, innit?

[@cadamwil]

How much would the unit and install be, minus the electrical work?

[@brightworksdetailing9746]

Wow 2 or 3 cents a kwh, that's great. In Ca we are at .50

[@pcpbonneville6236]

Kyle, I have a Tesla and trick it to precondition the battery when I want to charge on a non Tesla Supercharger. I select a supercharger but navigate to the non Tesla DC fast charger. I just have to put up with the navigating instructions that I ignore. (I just turn down the volume).

[@GhostDriver00]

The University Department that manages and maintains that Portable E.V. Charging Station, should place a Donation Box on the side of the Unit; or fit a Donation Box on a Metal Pole and install it into the concrete on the side of the Charging Station. If I used that Portable Super-Charging Station, I would gladly voluntarily place a Bank Check or Cash into a Donation Box. I would probably donate an amount that would be equivalent to approximately half of what it would normally cost to charge-up at a Tesla Super-Charger Station.

[@barryw9473]

Amazing cables have not been totally destroyed at a free station. Glad free vend will be finished very soon.

[@SparkySho]

Cameras addef

[@SparkySho]

Can u say biometric identification

[@DavidMossMGS]

This would be interesting to see Tesla energy do this with home setups power wall etc

[@MyGoogleYoutube]

Paint the white a dark color if the cable marking it up is a concern.

[@petekraemer2538]

I have used a battery to battery charger before with success and failure. The failure resulted from pulling up and finding the source battery was empty. This was frustrating because we were in the middle of a 600km drive. This was a disappointment. What is the time necessary to recharge?

[@Golf_Cart_Customization]

I would step up pricing in 5 cent increments per month to see who utilization changes

[@wantsanewvehicle]

What happens if somebody discharges it completely, and then somebody else plugs in to charge? Is it just a pass through at 30kwh?

[@naga2015kk]

AC charge the battery then Battery DC charge the car. is there no direct AC to DC converter?

[@PygKLB]

The point to this unit is that it did not need to upgrade the power service to the cabinet. By charging the battery, then using that energy to charge the car, this is like having a tank of water that flushes your toilet, then refills over time.