Here’s how the original Hummer brand was the epitome of excess

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In this episode I provide the history of the original Hummer brand, which in 1992 started with a civilian version of the military Humvee truck from AM General, named the Hummer. Later GM bought the rights to the Hummer name and renamed the truck the H1, and then released a slightly smaller (but still huge) truck called the H2 in 2002, and an even smaller truck called the H3 in 2006. A proposed H4 model never went to production as GM entered bankruptcy in 2009 and shut down Hummer by 2010. Today GM has brought back the Hummer name as a sub-brand under GMC for an all-electric truck, which other than size and the name, shares nothing with the original Hummer.

[@Oonagh72]

The singular thing I think about when it comes to Hummers is an episode of Reno 911 when they ran out of gas trying to maneuver out of a parking space. It was awesome.

[@ninji5226]

Never seen that episode but I'm laughing all the same, one of the best shows ever. Now I'm gonna go look for it, thanks.

[@987plo]

The movie was great

[@erichellner956]

South Park was pretty good too for hiding ballots

[@herbcraven7146]

One of the forces driving Hummer sales in the early 2000s was a tax break available to businesses for commercial trucks, such as dump trucks or farm trucks. The qualifier for a commercial truck was based solely on vehicle weight, which the Hummers had in spades, so many small businessmen titled them to their companies even though their utility as a commercial truck was negligible.

[@eliwilson3902]

It's called section 179 and although it has changed slightly, it's still a loophole used today to purchase navigators escalades and land rovers. It's also why a lot of limo companies use navigators and suburbans instead of a full size sedan like an xts or continental because the size of the full sized SUVs is better for tax purposes even though they cost more to fuel. Sadly, it only works if a vehicle is purchased brand new (it was originally intended for contractors and farmers to be able to buy a full sized truck and to help the big 3 move new inventory.

[@FordBronco-jw7uy]

No ev for me 🤓

[@LaytonKnightt]

I remember the H2 being something if an anti-Prius in the 2000s, so I’m amused that it’s now an electric car. At least the name is fitting an electric brand. Glad it’s back.

[@benjochs]

Back in the mid-2000s my neighbors both drove hummers. They had a 1,300 square foot ranch home. It was kinda hilarious.

[@smithraymond09029]

I remember how the Hummer H2 was all over the place in the late 2000's. It was sort of a substitute for the Cadillac Escalade in certain circles as a status symbol. They are nowhere to be found these days.

[@borla4491]

I see some here of where I stay, New Orleans.

[@daveunknown01]

@@borla4491 Not surprising considering the demographic.

[@borla4491]

@@daveunknown01 What?

[@borla4491]

@@daveunknown01 I don't get your point? What does "Demographics" got to due with it????

[@FunkatronicDingus]

@@borla4491 Karens who buy nice looking cars but know nothing about maintenance and run the thing into the ground before the warranty is even up.

[@UnloadedRex]

Great video, in high school I did a research paper on US military overconfidence and one of my biggest examples was the use of the HMMWV. Yes they started as being used behind the front lines but soon enough they were pushed further and further forward and soon we’re seeing IEDs, the first casualties caused by this were from operation just cause. I believe it was a rollover but it has been a while since I wrote that paper. The HMMWV kept getting more armor to try and counteract IEDs until we get to now when the poor trucks are so heavy that the suspension can barely support them, rollovers are more common, and now they must look at other vehicles in order to replace the HMMWV, a truck that was forced into a role it wasn’t made for, like a square peg into a round hole

[@terrysparrow2180]

It must be interesting to see Humvees used in Ukraine, where they have performed much better. In fairness they are performing the role they were originally designed for there instead of counter-insurgency patrols.

[@NDC1115]

There was a H3 Alpha as well, 2008-2009. It was equipped with a 5.3L V8

[@TheSaltyExplorer]

There was also an H3T Alpha. Basically a unicorn. I always wanted one, but they usually came to market right after I bought something else.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

CSI Miami had H3s 📺. Lt Caine. Imdb.com

[@rf07_]

You should do the Pontiac fiero! It was a really under rated car with a ruined reputation after some 84 models caught on fire

[@cbrue1896]

Yeah! The Pontiac Fiero would make a great video!

[@daveunknown01]

Sad it ended when it improved so much on that last year.

[@christopherconard2831]

@@daveunknown01 That's GM SOP "Well, after convincing thousands of people to pay for the privilege of beta testing our new vehicle, we got it right. Ok, kill it off and start over again with something that works on paper but has never been tested in the real world."

[@OMG_BeCkY]

"She got a car...I got a computer!"

[@Injunfarian]

I love my H1, owned it since 2006. They truly are like nothing else, you have to understand the H1/HMMWV platform was originally designed in the late 70's and early 80's and they had independent suspension in all 4 corners, disk brakes in all 4 corners, coil suspension in all 4 corners, aluminum body etc etc.. Modern vehicles are just catching up on some of the stuff(aluminum body etc.)... They also have geared hubs, inboard brakes, CTIS(central tire inflation), mid mounted engine so that weight is better distributed to both the front and rear axles, great clearance and center of gravity. etc etc.

[@TheChill001]

the only car just as rugged and cool as the Hummer H1 is imho the Lamborghini LM002

[@Just-a-guy926]

How about a video on the International Harvester Scout?

[@sbirddesmo]

Nice job. Back when I was a kid, my dad and were waiting to make a turn in unusually heavy traffic. I asked "Where did all these cars come from?" Dad looked at me and said "Detroit". Showing my age with that one.

[@comanchieavonside5849]

Wow, holy shit, my comment made it into this vid. I feel honored and still stand with what I said. The old hummers were the best.

[@jlang8213]

So how do you know that the new Hummer EV is "shit"? You an engineer for GM that has gotten the opportunity to drive a pre production one? Or are you just afraid that something with an electric motor might actually be better than ICE? You know people felt the same way about the horse and buggy.... Don't see too many of those anymore.

[@comanchieavonside5849]

@@jlang8213 because people are over hyping these EVs and making a huge mistake on thinking that this will improve anything

[@borla4491]

@@comanchieavonside5849 Yeah and the Environmentalist and Tree Huggers are b*tches.

[@comanchieavonside5849]

@@borla4491 they complain about the cars yet don't do shit about the deforestation of the rainforests

[@borla4491]

@@comanchieavonside5849 That, and don't complain about the ships in the ocean and such like the Container ships that use lots of oil. Also, the same with Nuclear plants that emmit stuff in the air.

[@kilohotel6750]

I had an 06 H3 and loved it. If they brought back the same H3 body with a new engine I would pre order one right away.

[@bolt5564]

I think the H3 would sell very well nowadays because similar vehicles like the Ford Bronco and Jeep Wrangler are having record sales. Hopefully GM realizes this and makes an affordable (under $40,000) H3 sized Hummer.

[@erichellner956]

Hated driving my buddy’s. It had the 5 cylinder and the chopped wheels made me feel trapped. I’m a 6’ 270lb guy.

[@juelzm149]

I just want to say how much I love these vids!! You do an excellent job in telling the story and providing so much interesting information! Thank you and keep it up!

[@dragonite986]

Funniest thing I’ve heard about he h2: “it’s the smallest window to door ratio of any vehicle.” I’ve driven these and it’s very difficult to back up in a garage.

[@JDMHaze]

FUN FACT: in the lawsuit Jeep tried to argue that they would lose sales because people would confuse the Hummer was a jeep and buy that instead lol 😂...... chevy lumina please 😭 and maybe tercel lol

[@anonymousm9113]

I've driven many HMMWVs, but the H3 proved itself to me when I was an Army Recruiter. I was tasked with leading the "A" group of a bike race across northern Louisiana and southern Mississippi. It was 104 miles, and the lead racers could hit over 55 mph at times. I was driving one of the battalion's Army branded H3s and gave it my all to stay ahead but within sight of the racers; often they'd round a blind curve or top a hill where I'd stopped and force me to go full throttle. Anyway, I took that H3 to the limit off and on road. By the time the race was finished, it was covered in mud, had some suspension rattle, and showed me that despite its small size it was capable of some decent off-roading.

[@Clintondmb]

Like a dirt bike or pedal bikes?

[@anonymousm9113]

@@Clintondmb Pedal bikes, I never knew they could go so fast!

[@Injunfarian]

I always find it funny when a H2 owner down plays a H3 owner, little do they know a H3 Alpha is a pretty good offroad platform and would run circles around an H2 on the trail

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I drove Hummys in my army enlistment. 1990s. DA got our MP company new vehicles, 1992. We left our old vehicles in 🇵🇦. Odd, the MP company was deactivated ✂️ FY1995. That's how the DoD spends your tax $$$.

[@TheSaltyExplorer]

My Hummer was the best vehicle I ever owned, aside from the fact that the gas mileage was horrible. Oh and you also couldn’t see anything out of the back window. Backing up required saying a short prayer.

[@SnakeVenom3000]

Fun fact: it was called the Hummer because you would hum prayers when backing up and to make it to the gas station 😆

[@charlie_nolan]

So basically it was the best ever because it was just plain cool. I understand

[@GrooveQuest]

Wow! that is actually pretty cool to bring hummer back as an EV, it is large enough to carry the large amount of batteries to get good horsepower and good range. If I had $110,000 I would buy one. and I'm not even an EV person. Hopefully they can make a go of it. Good luck GMC.

[@HeHateMe1]

Pontiac Aztek would be an interesting video

[@JDMHaze]

9:30 Wow another fun fact I thought I knew at all, but I wasn't aware it shared the Colorado/Cany platform but that explains why it also offer the same 5cyl motor!!!! thanks Mr.MyOldCar

[@rilla46]

The H4 was sick looking!

[@chrislemaster2695]

I remember some of these got traded in under the CARS ( Cash Allowance Rebate System) AKA Cash For Clunkers of 2009.

[@cadillacdevile]

Never thought about it even though it is my favorite vehicle, but HUMMER always had the best commercials

[@catsspat]

"Let me tell you, you have the biggest tax loophole. I can drive my Hummer through it." --Arnold Schwarzenegger (from the first debate for the CA governor).

[@3wrapframe]

I visit a friend who lives and works in Detroit for the “big three” and others. I love driving around and seeing all the cars in their cladding and camo that aren’t out yet.

[@OLDS98]

Good video. I liked that it covered the GM connection and aspect in detail. Thank you for your efforts and putting this video together.

[@grunkohlaktionar7474]

An episode on International (Scout/Harvester) please

[@kingkatradio]

For a future episode, Mazda 626.

[@boomer0534]

I absolutely love these Videos!!! I click LIKE before I even watch it!

[@tysonblake515]

The Willys/AMC connection was very interesting to learn about. Also, while it's very commonly mispronounced, Willys is actually meant to be pronounced "Willis" (just like the actor). But "Willy's" is more fun to say

[@phantom0456]

Not questioning whether you’re right or wrong, but a citation would be nice... I’ve never heard it referred to anything other than “Willys,” and I’ve never heard it pronounced as “Willis” prior to reading this post.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

@@phantom0456 yep I want it too

[@wheretheredferngrows14]

Loved the clips. Just missed bam Margera’s H2 getting destroyed.

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

GM B-BODY please 🙏. The 77-96 platform was awesome. And there were lots of different models

[@timothyhackett9733]

You should do one on the International Scout!!

[@zebrapetey9746]

This channel is so much fun and informative too! 😎🇨🇦😎

[@charlesmoss8119]

First may I say thank you for this brilliant content - I cut my teeth in the auto sector within US vehicle line ups before working only for European OEM and these episodes take me back to happy times of trying to offload Cavaliers against the dreaded Dodge Shadow - while this hummer episode made me smile a lot. I remember the H1 in military spec in Germany and they were a great vehicle - but why you would want one as a daily? No idea unless you lived in a forest!

[@Injunfarian]

I have one as a daily... but yeah I do live in a forest lol.. However I purchased it when I lived in the city.. 4dr Jeep Wrangler(before they were produced) with a pickup bed, soft top, capable offroad, diesel and decent tow/hauling capacity. What is there not to love?

[@bhobg]

Superb ep. I love the Borat clip!

[@ronh2660]

Nice shout at Doug

[@kingkatradio]

Never got the appeal to them. In the Toledo Ohio area, I remember there being a Hummer dealer on Dussel dr in Maumee, which is now a Kroger store. I was always curious of how many Hummers were actually sold there. People in The Toledo area are mostly blue collar workers, with not a lot of disposable income.

[@jlang8213]

Toledo is jeep country given your jeep plant. Surely more jeeps were sold than Hummers

[@kingkatradio]

@@jlang8213 oh for sure, jeep is king here, however we have a large GM plant as well in Toledo. I have seen a few hummers around but as I say, a lot of people don't have a lot of disposable income in Toledo.

[@pontiacmaniac7772]

6:05 Noooooo not the Pontiac

[@mattyian1208]

Obama killed Pontiac. GM should resurrect the Pontiac brand and make it a sports luxury car brand.

[@Reno420alex]

I gotta say that first hummer commercial was freaking hilarious 😂 poor baby bear

[@DwightPatel]

Suggested Review the Buick Park Avenue (I think Buick should bring back name for an SUV and use the La Saber name on SUV too) they could rebadge Taho and Suburban

[@daniel-ino]

Honestly i don't know why somebody born in the 70s or 80s think 18 seconds from 0 to 60 is "terribly" slow for a truck. These were normal numbers for normal passenger cars especially outside of the US

[@mjareacts2731]

Because this isn't the 1970s or '80s anymore. If we're talking about vehicles from that time of course I'll expect that, but in 2022 I don't ever want to see that again.

[@nathancook1404]

Nice work on doing a Video on Hummer! Ever thought of doing a Video on Jeep or Land Rover? I think would be interesting to look into 2 of the Greatest Offroad Vehicles that changed the world on how people travel offroad.

[@kraftp]

Just found your channel, you have some sick quality content. Do one of these on Jeep!

[@angryshoebox]

In the late-'90s I once saw a guy park his bright red AM General Hummer in a McDonald's parking lot. I kid you not. It was hilarious. Good thing the lot was mostly empty. It must've taken up about 1 1/2 of those COMPACT parking spaces.

[@grammyto2grandboys375]

Love the video....great info...I am on my 2nd H3 and love the Hummer!!

[@whoami7721]

As a young Army soldier in the early '90s, I hit a K-rail on the side of the road, misjudging the width of the Humvee I was driving. All it did was bend the rim and pop the tire, since the wheels stick out so far from the fenders.

[@charlie_nolan]

I don’t ever want to own one because of the inconvenience, but I at least want to drive one at some point in my life.

[@stephencannon3140]

During my time in the Army Reserve…….. the HMMWV was one of the first military vehicles I got checked out on. I was assigned to Headquarters/Headquarters Company of a infantry battalion so we had several variants. Cargo, utility, ambulance, yes even the gunship version seen in movies.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

In 1991, I recall a Desert Storm 🏜 Hummer with a huge M2 .50BMG on top. It shook & rattled as the full auto .50 cranked out 💥. We put crap M-19 40mm "guns" 🤔 on our MP hummers. They were trash. Never worked correctly, looked cool but never functioned.

[@jrussellcase]

The last best big damn thing ever built in the USA. 🇺🇸 The Hummer rocked.

[@markwilliams2620]

Stay warm, fellow Michigander. I'll try sending warmth from Ft Myers. It's 38 right now and the iguanas are falling out of the trees and the snowbirds are calling relatives up north and being a-holes.

[@holton345]

@ 3:03 - I'm not sure by what you mean "in service" here, but the Army rolled out the new HMMWV in the summer of 1985; it was fully "in service" at that time. The HMMWV first saw combat in 1993 in Panama, but a number of military vehicles and weapons first saw combat at that time, because it was the first real combat we were *openly* engaged in since we pulled out of Vietnam. I was stationed at Fort Jackson, South Carolina in the Summer of 1985, and the HMMWV was everywhere by then. I happened to be there during the "sweet spot" for off-roaders such as myself: the HMMWV and the Jeep were in service at the same time, so we could drive both and compare them directly. The Jeep - hands down - was the better vehicle for what the Jeep was originally intended, but it was much, much smaller and absolutely open to enemy fire, the weather, angry animals, rock-tossing, on-base "Dependa" brats, etc. It was being asked to do things it was never designed for, and it was failing. The HMWWV was supposed to replace the Jeep (which it never really did) and several other vehicles. It was a Swiss Army Knife. As we have learned from combat in the Persian Gulf region, the HMMWV was eventually tasked to do more than it was designed to do by the same idiots who insisted the Jeep do things it was not supposed to do. Eventually, they wanted this unarmored vehicle to be an armored vehicle, which it never was. So lots of our casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan were due to IEDs blowing through the floor pan, which was never, ever intended to be mine-proof or even mine-resistant. In truth, the Army and Marines could *still* find a lot of use for the original Jeep. The HMMWV was never all that good at its job because as soon as the Army got it they started to misuse it. There's no worse feeling in the world than being trapped like "SPAM in the can" inside an unarmored HMMWV taking direct fire. At least in the Jeep you could break and run for it easily. Egressing an HMMWV under fire takes what feels like a lifetime. This is why the misused Jeep progressed to the much better HMMWV, which was in turn misused (and somewhat misunderstood by command elements) and replaced by the MRAP systems we have now or that are in development. Needs change, and the Jeep is still the best for its original intended use, but we no longer have a need for that use, or that need is very small and specific, and now handled by those silly side-by-sides. The same with the HMMWV: it outlived its need and was pressed into service doing things it was not good at, so now we have eleventy bazillion megabuck MRAP things. The HMMWV has its adherents, as does the Jeep. And MRAP has its following. But none of them should be misused, command elements need to be made to understand the limitations, and then they need to figure out what it is that they need and have someone design that for them. We are transitioning back toward longer, more accurate rifles, from the M4 back to something like the M16 (but "better" and much more expensive) because the focus of the Army has once again shifted from the urban, asymmetric stuff of the Middle East back toward the open field and forest warfare expected in European environs. The weapons and training have been shifting in this direction for some time now, and something like the open Jeep will become useful again. You just watch: in five or ten years a "new jeep" will be introduced to replace those old, outdated, bulky, ineffective MRAPs. HAHAHA!!! I just wanted to point out that the HMMWV was fully in service in the Army by mid-1985, and the USMC started getting them shortly after that. (I think. I am no guardian of Crayon Eater Lore. Hats off to all my great Crayon Eater friends and my Marine grunt father!)

[@biglakewheeler]

H1 brakes where moved onboard mostly for the on board tire inflation system. Also the H2 was coil/air bag rear suspension similar to the Tahoe/suburban not truck(leaf spring)

[@Injunfarian]

H1 brakes are inboard thanks to the overall design of the HMMWV platform. It was even before "on board tire inflation system" aka CTIS, it was setup that way to try to keep the brakes up out of the mud/dirt while also leveraging off of the gearing of the geared hub to allow a 10" disk brake system to perform like a 19" system.

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

I would love to get my hands on an H1 Alpha, those things are beyond cool.👍

[@Bubbleskittymaster]

my dad joined the army in 1986 and he got to test drive the humvee's and his officer told him drive till they die.

[@lonesomecricket7721]

Great video. I would really enjoy a video on the FJ Cruiser. 🙂

[@jasonz7788]

Great work Sir thank you

[@AraceaeFanatics]

This is a great story. Now one of my favorites.

[@xxxsuperxxx6938]

nice I love hummer

[@maxconing812]

My teacher drove an H2 and I remember him complaining ab it’s mpg

[@5roundsrapid263]

I worked with a woman who had one. When gas first went over $2 a gallon, she went crazy. It got about 8-9 mpg.

[@TheOldMachines]

Wow....I was listening to this video and the moment I heard that 80s HMMWV commercial song I knew exactly what video it was from!

[@hardankles3382]

I would love to see a video on the Dodge/Mitsubishi Colt! Specifically the 70’s/ early 80’s one that could be driven as a manual or automatic and the early 90’s turbo that was banned from the Philadelphia market for being uninsurable

[@jkerluck]

I didn’t know you were in the Detroit area. I’m across the river in Windsor and I’ve seen them out and about here as well. The Hummer EV does get a lot of attention!!

[@alexsaffamerica]

2:55 Thank goodness there's a name for this song, "Firebird" by Mark Wood.

[@davidp2888]

Great video.

[@jbizzletx3420]

Another banger! Drove Humvees in the Army and Iraq

[@toyfan2812]

Very good episode! You didn't mention the Hummer cologne that was sold for years so GM could keep the name ?

[@ninji5226]

When the Hummer dealership in Milwaukee opened way back it was rumored to be one of the first in the country (can't confirm) but withing a few short yrs it closed and turned into a smart car dealer, then to a Nissan dealer. My brother has one and hates it.

[@erichellner956]

Bergstrom in the Fox Valley eventually had one

[@dansimon1100]

Good episode but you should have included a clip of Bam Margera's Hummer H2 where they destroyed it

[@rilla46]

I saw Arnolds when I lived on Nantucket. His was the 1st one anyone saw. It was awesome

[@fragerhoskin3528]

I don’t know if you already did a video on this but what about the Pontiac Firebird or Trans Am

[@phillytch78]

It will be nice to see a video on the checker motor company that is a vehicle that everybody will be able to recognize even though they might not know what they were called lol and they were built up to 1982.

[@StevenPenny]

I have a Hmmwv, it’s awesome and I don’t care about scratching it although I’d like to get a h1 wagon at some point.

[@getintothewildwithjeffruma8777]

The H1 is the baddest freaken vehicle ever made.

[@iamknoware]

This is random, but what part of Cars was that scene from? I don't recall seeing it.

[@Daniel28021991]

I like this, I remember seeing the new H3 at the autosalon of Geneva in 2007 or so.

[@danthechevymanc6b475]

You forgot to mention H3 Alpha and H3 Championship edition. The 2 best offroad and most collectible H3 models.

[@chikaokere9872]

Thank you for this

[@gabrielrogers2971]

Oh boy we will see how this goes with the new one ! I’m from Michigan too up by flint area

[@estate-tidus1007]

I really did like my used h3 that I bought when I was 18, Hard large firestone 33" tires on it, Did mud pretty well here in Iowa. Saved my life in a bad car accident. But that v5 was awful lol.

[@richardshufflebottom4011]

I really like the song in the background of your videos. I also like listening to you. Can you tell me what song that is?

[@HeavyTanker-vx4oq]

I think a Car tha would make a great episode is Lincolns forgotten sport Sedan. The Lincoln LS. A Jaguar based, BMW 5 Series competitor that actually did what it set out to do. Beat BMW. Only to be killed by Ford because of reliability issues caused by them being cheap on important compenents. The LS is the closest the world has ever came to a 4 door Mustang. 280HP DOHC 3.9L V8, handling that rivals even brand new mustangs, and one MEAN exhaust note. Just a suggestion, ik it was mentioned during the Thunderbird Video, but I think it needs its own episode. As it's so much better then the Thunderbird. Because it was built to be sporty. Not a cruiser.

[@louyork8379]

I remember when the H1 started hitting the streets and I never understood how anyone would spend that kinda money to go that slow. But I reckon that’s why they make trucks and sports cars both so everybody can spend too much money getting from place to place as they desire

[@AMacLeod426]

1:25 Instantly made me want to rewatch Tremors for the umpteenth time

[@DMETS519]

That Hummer H3T was the only model that looked good. What a great beefy looking truck. Too bad it came out too late.

[@AFordFlex2377]

The only model that had the best of both worlds honestly.

[@darthdurf9611]

by today's standards, it's relatively the same for prob only with standard trucks....an F150 is huge compared to an F150 from the late 80's early 90's....when I saw the new ford ranger a few months back, this 'mid sized' truck is bigger that the afore mentioned 80's F150...Alfas are not that big now lol

[@abpsd73]

I didn't know the H3 was built on the Colorado/Canyon platform. After working on a few Canyons and Colorados with the hostile mechanical engineering design, I honestly think I'd never want to work on an H3.

[@barron204]

In my country Hummers were not popular, so it was interesting to see one on the road. Now there are only 8 H3 for sale, and are priced less than a Toyota Landcruiser of the same year. Would be nice to see a new model available.

[@llopez1970]

You got to do one on the mid 70's early 80's Dodge Aspen

[@richardnottelmann58]

I have never seen a 2 door civilian H1.

[@isakjohansson7134]

This dude must be surfin IMCDB all the time to find all these movie shots😅

[@ProgressOnly]

I remember the freaky hummer h3 commercial about the "little monster" with the pregnant Godzilla knockoff

[@deeacosta2734]

I got a hummer once. It was in the back of a Honda.

[@USNVA-yn6cp]

did he spit or swallow??? LOL jk

[@billyjoejimbob56]

Minor correction: At 6:45: the rear suspension on a Hummer H2 was coil springs and a solid drive axle which along with the shortened frame came from the GM Suburban.

[@user-xx5kk9hx4c]

Driven em all including the electric, they are indeed different and I love them all

[@jlang8213]

You're in the Detroit area? Cool! I live in Livonia and a few weeks ago I saw a white Electric Hummer driving down Haggerty.

[@juggaloclownpreacher]

I was a military driver in the Army from 2009 to 2012 and the way the engine configuration in a Humvee versus a civilian or two different things. The braking system on a Humvee and the civilian counterpart are two different things. The two are so differently configured it's kind of weird to call the civilian one anything like a Humvee.

[@LOS41510]

For those that don’t know AM General also made transit busses in the mid to late 1970s

[@stephencannon3140]

Original military versions had a throttle lock. Presumably to help keep throttle at a certain setting for maintenance……..had specific warnings about NOT using the throttle lock as cruise control.