Here's What We Missed on Glee | Mic The Snare

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Get your slushies ready, because this month’s Examining video is all about Glee. The hit Fox series was a behemoth in TV, but its impact on music was just as strong. Let’s take a retrospective walk through the full series, its music, and how these geeks managed to rise to (and fall from) the top…
Let me know your favorite Glee episode/song/character/Will rap in the comments!
NOTE 1: Drake surpassed Glee's record in March of this year, not February.
NOTE 2: At two points in this video, I use terms regarding people who use wheelchairs. Some of you have told me that these phrases are at best cringy, and at worst offensive. I apologize for using those terms, and will be more mindful of my language going forward.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
Intro - 00:00
Backstory - 01:01
The Pilot - 01:43
Season 1 - 03:30
The Music of Glee - 06:57
Season 2 - 11:05
The Business of Glee - 14:40
Season 3 - 17:44
Season 4 - 26:25
The Quarterback - 36:55
Season 5 - 39:40
Season 6 - 44:46
Aftermath/Impact - 49:37
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SOURCE LIST
Show Footage
Brennan, Ian, Brad Falchuk and Ryan Murphy, creators. Glee. Brad Falchuk Teley-Vision, Ryan Murphy Productions, and 20th Century Fox Television, 2009 - 2015.
Articles Cited in Video
Ganz, Jacob. “Hits That Aren't: 'Glee' Songs Zoom Up And Down The Charts.” NPR, NPR, 19 Nov. 2010.
“How Glee Cast Became the Act With the Most Hot 100 Entries in Billboard History.” Billboard, 17 May 2019.
Jensen, Jeff. “Why a Humbled 'Glee' Is a 'Glee' Worth Watching.” Entertainment Weekly, 16 Jan. 2015.
Turner, Kyle. “Glee Captured All of Its Wasted Promise in One Character.” AV Club, 9 May 2019.
VanDerWerff, Emily. “I Can Pinpoint the Exact Moment Glee Got Bad.” Vox, Vox, 20 Mar. 2015.
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Kitty/Marley Clip from Oh Hello! On Broadway (Netflix)
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[@MicTheSnare]

One Small Correction: Drake actually beat the Glee Cast's Hot 100 record in March 2020, not February.

[@BlueCornOntheMoon]

thats even crazier holy shit

[@MrGleeiscool]

Ok make more gleee videos and I’ll subscribe glee is my life I’ve watched it since season 2 aired on fox and it’s the best show ever

[@amusarty]

How come out of that whole thing that was the only thing you messed up.... jesus christ dude

[@KD-fs9qq]

And most of drakes songs that were on the hot 100 went #1 or top 10

[@PaperBackHead10]

Ok ok ok ok ok OK. Listen, I was a huuuuge gleek back in my day. Think I jumped on the wagon at season 2 and nose dived off at what I thought was season 6. Just got towards the end of the video and quickly realized I actually stopped after S5 because WHAT THE FUCK? THEY HAD COACH BEISTE TRANSITIOOONNN??? What was the point of “never been kissed” if she was trans? It was so refreshing to me to have a masculine presenting woman that wasn’t a lesbian or trans (and I say that as a stud lesbian) dealing with her masculine and feminine sides. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised but it seems so damn pandering. Trans visibility matters but not when it’s shoehorned in there as an afterthought.

[@nicoviola1489]

I STILL CANNOT COMPREHEND THAT EMMA PILLSBURY LEFT JOHN FREAKING STAMOS FOR A CREEPY SHOE

[@Bluebaritone]

👞

[@isabelhoch3713]

Wait I thought he left her? 😂

[@Melissdan]

@@isabelhoch3713 He did but it was because he knew she still loved Shue for some odd reason

[@isabelhoch3713]

Mellis Dan tru

[@belhlv]

hahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahhaa shoe ahahahhahahahhaahahahaha, ;-;

[@DeeL3]

Mr. Schue - You're all minorities, you're in the Glee Club. Camera man - pans to black girl and gay kid.

[@TheActualAldo]

True

[@JamesLawner]

This is the exact opposite energy of Jeff Winger's "You're not a study group, you're a community"

[@noahdomingo1162]

@@astrorockwitch Saying it's a mockumentary is easily one of the biggest stretches I've ever seen lol

[@imsadlol4528]

@@noahdomingo1162 it wasnt a mockumentary but it was very much satirical especially towards the beginning.

[@hello2996]

can anyone explain what minority is? i searched it already but i don't get it

[@rock_talk4004]

The greatest things about this show: 1. Jane Lynch 2. Kurt in the first three seasons 3. Britanny's cat 4. Chord Overstreet's name

[@agnessofiacastrocarvalho774]

Well i absolutely loved Kurt in the first two seasons, but S3 and onwards he was tolerable 15% of the time to me, with his voice being responsable for a large percentage of the time where i find him intolerable. Overral tho, Kurt's a great character especially the first two seasons, but not immune to any of the flaws of the writing more than anyone else

[@lemonace6695]

Same but also: 5. Introducing me to Starkid and TinCanBrothers via Darren Chris

[@emilyblenn]

@@lemonace6695 6. Cough Syrup 7. bohemian rhapsody

[@criptastical]

9. Burt Hummel

[@jamdoe6486]

10. Blaine in Season 2 11. Samcedes at its best 12. Santana and Mercedes duets

[@danikeir]

The biggest work of fiction Glee ever produced was the fact Rachel was able to find an apartment that size for $1,800 in NYC...

[@urbanrealism237]

No literally

[@mariamejawara]

She said that her parents paid for it. They're rich

[@flamethrow868]

Just checked, the price of a two bedroom in Bushwick for rent while season 4 was airing was roughly 1900$ on average. That doesn't seem like that much of a stretch, especially since they said that the building had a lot of broken amenities and it was a really bad neighbourhood in Bushwick?

[@leahdavis9434]

​@@flamethrow868wasn't it also a warehouse and not an apartment? That's why there weren't rooms

[@corneliastreet2491]

She was literally riding her bike around the place 😂

[@candiceluke9454]

Glee finishing before Hamilton happened was probably a good thing

[@ivyeorii]

oh god can you IMAGINE Will trying to rap guns and ships

[@lydiavalentino]

@@ivyeorii I think he'd probably attempt "Guns and Ships", give up, then do the *entirety* of "My Shot" while everyone looks at him like a fucking idiot

[@catherineb.]

As much as I love Glee, I absolutely agree with you here

[@tori2dles]

Yeah, imagining them doing Hamilton is both cringey & sacrilegious.

[@paulinathompson1239]

Jonathan Groff LITERALLY played George the 3rd

[@lilybrown5388]

the only person who ever had to deal with the consequences of their actions was Quinn

[@jana7359]

I mean yes but also everyone forgot about her baby after a few episodes

[@renee1309]

At some point I felt like they just gave Quinn trauma/dramatic storylines just for kicks. They didn't know what to do with Quinn after S1.

[@zoevillegas8331]

Jana I would imagine they didn’t bring up the baby she gave away because it was a hard thing for Quinn

[@cottagecheeselegs9718]

They ruined Quinn's character, because ryan murphy dont like the actress (dianna). Bcs Quinn supposed to be the mean girl but turned out to be the well developed character and everyone loves Quinn. But ryan hates her for that, so after season 1 ryan started to sabotage her character, the feud continued until Dianna couldn't take it anymore, She left the show after season 3 and came back only as guest stars

[@paulworsnop7231]

i mean yes, but also, no

[@neverobinson5527]

Will Schuester's Thong Song cover is actually worthy of instant imprisonment. No trial. Just straight to jail.

[@princess_vic0111]

omg that scene was so painful

[@Maya-mf9uo]

No bc it was traumatizing

[@Maya-mf9uo]

But my ultimate guilty pleasers will forever be Gold Digger and I’ve Ice Baby it’s embarrassing how much I like those songs

[@Scandal262]

I need to know what percentage of this show's runtime is just cringe white guy rapping

[@alim.9801]

Oh my God not even just the song but his dancing in that scene 😭

[@DukeDukeGo]

Santana singing "If I die young" hits extra hard after her actress also died young

[@jesusrox4u]

Big Lebowski’s The Dude: …..Jesus…..

[@qwerty0504]

also the line "sink me in the river at dawn"

[@jesusrox4u]

@@qwerty0504 Yeah, that didn’t age well.

[@eddyesdras]

😭😭😭😭

[@amahlencokotwana5825]

@@jesusrox4u to

[@Betta66]

"Half white, half black, and half Jewish"? No wonder he's conflicted. He's three halves.

[@chronicallyunstable]

A *tri*-racial person?! Take *that,* Logic!

[@prometheustv6558]

I’m pretty he means his white side is Jewish.

[@lisah8438]

@@naomi4582 It is also a ethnicity or race.

[@abbiezinn3352]

@Lisa H It’s not a race.

[@Sara-qt2ym]

@@abbiezinn3352 yes it is. literally ashkenazi jewish shows up in dna tests.

[@tonio6043]

Remember when MARLEY had to apologise for fainting from her eating disorder. She Had to be The one to apologise because everyone was mad at her for fainting. SHE HAD TO APOLOGISE FOR HER EATING DISORDER

[@janvi126]

EXACTLY I got sooo mad

[@paigeb1236]

Ugh that still pisses me off

[@SparklyGals]

Plus everyone immediately forgave and forgot about Kitty being the actual damn reason why Marley developed an eating disorder. Yet Marley costing the win for sectionals kept being brought up as a joke.

[@thatguycalleddan1702]

And then she got suspended because she was uncomfortable wearing a bikini

[@andblahblahblah7968]

SparklyGals There was a deleted scene that made this situation so much better...dont know why they deleted it.

[@skeleletonboi4533]

I find it really funny that Gorillaz actively and publicly denied Glee, cause their song Clint Eastwood (banger) is in the first Trolls movie. It has "MCR refusing to let Twilight use their music but personally recorded Welcome to the Black Parade in simlish for the Sims" energy

[@lithiumkid]

Twilight portrayed an abusive relationship as romantic, had a main character pretending to be native american when the actor wasn’t, and was written by someone who based one of the love interests on her own brother. Sims is a good, pretty unproblematic series of games with multiple iconic gothic and alt characters that tons of people remember by name even 22 years later. i see why they didn’t want to be associated with Twilight and i think there’s nothing weird or hypocritical about them then going on to put a song into Sims 3.

[@skeleletonboi4533]

@@lithiumkid bro I didn't say it was weird or hypocritical, I said it makes me laugh. chill dude

[@jeonghansupremacist4354]

@@lithiumkid tbh i just think at the time it felt weird for their frontman because, althought it was not as well know at the time as today, the concept of a vampire boyfriend and all that was based on mcr's concept and main vocalist. maybe today that would be another thing but at the time maybe he felt weird about it

[@neonxvices]

mcr also let glee do sing which is funny because the episode is about anthems and they should’ve done WTTBP

[@crm1301]

mcr also did a song for Yo Gabba Gabba

[@justinmontana3710]

On the point of how Glee handled its LGBT characters, the one standout memory I have from the show is the Teen Drinking episode where, when Blaine was questioning whether he might be Bisexual, Kurt's immediate response was, "Bisexual is term gay people use to tiptoe back into the closet", and every once in a while that sneaks up on me like being smacked in the back of the head with a rotting Mackerel.

[@alim.9801]

Idk if it's just me but it feels like something that Kurt as a character wouldn't say, like it feels out of character for him specifically. Like yeah ok maybe he's just saying it bc he's jealous or whatever, but even then that just felt like a bizarre and overly mean line coming from him.

[@taylorgayhart9497]

That was the general attitude about bisexuality until recently, think Sex and the City when Carrie said “I'm not even sure bisexuality exists. I think it's just a layover on the way to Gaytown.” Men who were bi were seen as “easing into” being gay, and women who were bi were seen as performing their sexuality for male attention. It wasn’t really until the mid-2010s that bisexuality and pansexuality were more broadly accepted.

[@engagingathena9965]

tbf i loved the ‘i’d say bye but i didn’t want to scare you’ line from that episode

[@AmySay]

I genuinely blame this line for slamming me into a closet where i didn’t realize i was bisexual until after high school.

[@nyxie2877]

You have such a way with words

[@robynrichmond0]

If Glee was on today Will Schuester absolutely would have sung ‘Senorita’ with Rachel and it would have been incredibly creepy.

[@tellnate29]

Do not make me think about this for the love of god

[@verasmolyakova5221]

i lowkey want to watch that happen hahahahah

[@IzabelaSSilva]

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy did you need to say that

[@Xendella]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOPPPPPPP

[@DeeL3]

Mr. Schue and Holly Holiday singing this would actually be good.

[@foodie2525]

It’s funny how Rachel said that Santana couldn’t play Fanny because she was Latina but it was okay for Rachel to play Maria in West Side Story 💀

[@Caprizonica]

And Lea in an interview said Naya couldn't play an Italian character- can't remember who- because she wasn't Italian like her. 🤨

[@bbybby7589]

omgg i've been conplaining about this since forever thank u for saying it lmao

[@darrencriss5529]

I hate Rachel so much

[@lll.24601]

PROBLEMATIC

[@looksbyangelollie8864]

No the narrator said that

[@allisonruff8725]

The comedic timing of the zoom on “Priority #1: Help the Kids” still makes me cackle today

[@taylorgayhart9497]

Honestly the editing in the first season is top tier! That’s the best example, but there were so many other times they used the editing for humor, but it was funny because it was more subtle. After season one they started beating you over the head with the editing gags and it got exhausting.

[@flamethrow868]

@@taylorgayhart9497 Wasn't that from season 4 or 5 when Will told Finn he framed him?

[@bisexial_disaster2795]

@@flamethrow868 It was a callback to the original scene that did that

[@flamethrow868]

@@bisexial_disaster2795 Oh, I haven't noticed it in the first season, or forgot, it has been a few years, over a decade now lol, damn I feel old. Anyways, thank you for clearing that up!

[@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly]

It also annoys me that people point out that 'this was so fucked up' as if that was not already part of the text. The show is already pointing out its a bad idea and using it as a joke.

[@RobLives4Love]

this reminds me of one of my favorite Tumblr quotes of all time: just because a television show doesn't actively address a specific issue doesn't mean they're actively avoiding it either. you know what happens when you try to stuff every possible social debate under the sun into one show? you get glee. that's what happens.

[@Lizzie-ve7kt]

OMG THIS!! This is brilliant and should be copied and pasted as a reply to every Twitter rant of people overreacting to something being “problematic” because it didn’t explicit address every single social issue.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

exactly!! at least imo id prefer no/minimal representation to outright BAD representation lmao

[@handsoap3346]

Remember the school shooting episode where it was BECKY??😟

[@grahamkristensen9301]

It reminds me when, after a particularly bad wave of school shootings, people were asking if Abbott Elementary was going to do a SS episode. Like... What's that gonna do to solve the issue??

[@sighcantthinkofaname]

"Do you really want to see Glee do tiktok dances months after they were relevant?" That sounds awful, I absolutely want to see it.

[@kpbevan_904]

Can’t wait for Addison Rae to pop up as a special guest star lmao

[@emilynichol1191]

yeah tbh i never watched Glee cause it was good, I watched cause it was trash so Glee TikTok dances sounds great to me lol

[@bwnnie]

@@emilynichol1191 lmao I used to think it was such a great show but at the same time I had to skip lots of parts because I couldn't stand cringing at it

[@stevenmulvihill6434]

I would watch it for the cringe

[@peytonl6134]

BAHAH EXACTLY EHAT I WAS THINKING

[@io1380]

Glee is basically told from Rachel's point of view. Rachel's point of view is self-centered, cyclical, melodramatic, and mostly self-fulfilling fantasy. Exactly like a spoiled, egotistical teenager who doesn't understand why they can't do whatever they want. I knew so many theatre geeks who thought they were Rachel and also thought they could act like her.... and probably still do.

[@nikeb4212]

You're completely right! It also explains why so much time was spent on Rachel's silly "problems" but when other characters went through real trauma it was forgotten about within an episode because it either had nothing to do with Rachel or she wasn't there (e.g. the school shooting and Marley's eating disorder)

[@aviparmy-lthatblinkedoncew774]

Like I literally remember girls who acted just like Rachel they were self-centered egotistical theater kids whi thought the world was revolved around white Broadway actors. I literally remember getting into an argument with a few theater kids in this ultimately broke my love of theater arguing about how Hamilton who is a white man shouldn’t be played by Hispanic or Latino actor because Hamilton was white even though Hamilton racepassed and could technically in today’s modern times be described as multi racial

[@zachplayz8546]

@@aviparmy-lthatblinkedoncew774 The only reason Hamilton shouldn't be played by a white actor is because that would mean he wouldn't have been played by Lin

[@HN-kr1nf]

@@aviparmy-lthatblinkedoncew774 lin manuel miranda is hispanic/latino but he's also white

[@grahamkristensen9301]

@@aviparmy-lthatblinkedoncew774 You just made me think of Hamilton-centered episode of Glee. What did I ever do to you?

[@janinex4541]

Can we talk about Ryder opening up being sexually assaulted and everyone made fun of him, Will said NOTHING about it and it was never talked about again?🙈

[@DoodleDoo2]

Kitty said she understands (cuz she was also SAd) and how that’s not okay but everyone else made fun of him

[@janinex4541]

@@DoodleDoo2 yeah but it was like the only relatable response and it was never talked about again🙈🙈🙈

[@barbarachrist7718]

Thanks that was the episode I stopped watching it went way too far

[@barbarachrist7718]

There is also an episode about dealing with suicide. Which is horrible at adressing the topic

[@babybear3551]

They didn't even just make fun of him, they said he was "lucky" Disgusting.

[@wryn.is.trying]

The most heartbreaking moments of audio in glee are in season 3, when the teachers are talking about Karofsky’s suicide attempt and sue says “i keep imagining how his father must have felt finding him” and it cuts to these awful wails and screams from his dad, and in Quarterback when the music cuts out and Santana is sobbing and then screaming. Glee didn’t have very many moments of serious emotion being shown without making it a joke, but those two parts… man. i almost cry every time i hear them.

[@micro-babe]

I kinda stopped in around season 4 but you're so right about the Karofsky scene. This show is so stupid but that scene will absolutely make me sob every time.

[@chrishansen8119]

Every time I see the karofsky scene, karofskys dads screams sound so real. The actor put everything into that

[@5sos_acid_trip]

I like how we all silently agree: Mike Chang never did anything wrong

[@charlene.n.m.]

Didn't he start dating Tina when she was still with Artie?

[@arapadapa]

Charlene Ngandu Mbani no Tina broke up with him I think before then

[@xanderkusakabe6420]

He did one tho when he texted Tina that "Rachel's one of a kind" like that's not supportive of him as a boyfriend. But other than that, yeah...

[@haileygrimmius9451]

Except when he reprimanded Tina when she spoke up and said she was tired of Rachel getting all of the attention. Otherwise he didn’t really do anything wrong

[@Cat-oj5oj]

Except get an Asian F 😂

[@cattledogandstaffy]

Not many people talk about how after Cory's death, Sam was basically made to be a discount Finn. They deadass even put him in the same clothes that Cory wore as Finn, and had him take the same path that Finn would have. This was so apparent to me and still disgusts me to this day.

[@niki6d]

CaptainJacFrost It totally ruined the storyline for Sam and Mercedes. ☹️

[@robynrichmond0]

I admire what they were trying to do with Sam (the show needed a strong ‘everyman’ lead with Finn gone and Sam seemed like a good fit). I actually think Chord stepped up to the plate pretty well but by Season Six... when he become the coach of New Directions at the end, yeah it was blatantly apparent they just gave him Finn’s storyline. Hell, they even had time for a brief romance with him and Rachel!

[@ayushi437]

im sorry they put chord in the same clothes that cory wore as finn- jesus

[@annabelcrescibene4257]

ThatCatVal Rodrick*

[@uli_Gio]

Yeah I find it really bad when Sam kissed Rachel in season 6 or 5 ( can't remember which one ). And it also sucked because since we never got a conclusion of what happens to Cory/Fun, as to Rachel just moving passed it without really going back to her roots but goes bad as the seasons continue

[@Robbity]

As a ex-show choir kid, you could TELL who the Glee kids were. The ones who joined because they liked the show and quit at the end of the semester. Some of the Glee kids stayed though, and they were incredible

[@AF-ue4ny]

if you watched Glee and didn't hate every character at least once you didn't watch it right

[@lol_armyonce]

Why am I now realizing this 😭

[@jenna8599]

mike chang?

[@michaeladie4582]

@@jenna8599 when he gaslight Tina for wanting a solo

[@howtogamer2128]

burt and carole i will NEVER hate

[@QuestionableLifeChoices]

burt hummel is the best character because he's the most consistently grounded and most real. and the actor did a great job, too, obviously

[@graciesaunders7418]

He's one of my fav tv dad's ever! At first I thought he was going to be super homophobic and awful but he was soooo accepting of Kurt

[@ReeniEspino]

The Hummel men are the best part of the show, hands down.

[@zahrah8512]

I know I really thought he would be super homophobic but was way more accepting than I thought he’d be,like way more than most people are in the early 2000s one of the best character hands down he’d be way better if he had more plot and more screen time than 10 mins max

[@Laramaria2]

Burt is flawless! Love him!

[@whish67]

@@ReeniEspino We stan the Hummel men, hands down :)

[@Laramaria2]

Glee has one flawless point: Burt Hummel! Kurt's father is the most loving character ever. He doesn't care for Kurt's sexuality, he only cared for his son's happiness and safety! When Finn made a homophobic comment about Kurt, he was willing to break up with his beloved girlfriend (aka Finn's mother) to protect his son! Burt is the best by far!

[@AleciaFluffyPresents]

I'll give you that... But also Unique?

[@devan6812]

@@AleciaFluffyPresents but what about Unique texting with Ryder using other girl photo? it was weird besides Burt was in all 6 seasons and Unique didn't have much screen time but I like her too so I understand 😊

[@eviekenyon574]

DeVaN I hated that storyline, they turned a character with loads of potential into a creepy joke

[@ryanwalker8212]

@@AleciaFluffyPresents Unique as a character was a horrible person. Talking about wearing real fur and being a bitch

[@belhlv]

@@devan6812 Ryder wasn't in season 6 ;-;

[@nic9511]

Santanas cover of Smooth Criminal exist yes and I have never been more thankful for it

[@davidluna7237]

It’s iconic

[@nyx6903]

It's why I started watching glee lol

[@violetlavi2207]

She and Grant Gustin truly made that something special, and I LOVE IT

[@lilllin9158]

It’s amazing and the cellos are actually a band and they made amazing covers of rock pop classical and a lot more Musik 2cellos if anyone wants to look them up

[@hollieparsons267]

100% agree that Burt is the best character in the entire show

[@meeriann]

Yeah but his own son was sexually harassing Finn and made him uncomfortable and Burt was just screaming at Finn when he said few bad words? The words were bad, don't get me wrong. However they were about THINGS and not about Kurt himself. Go and watch the episode if you want. Kurt didn't suffer ANY circumstances. I always found that unfair.

[@rebeccag.1016]

​@@meeriann but there is an episode later when burt learns the truth and yells at Kurt.

[@jessicamattes4208]

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Burt and Carol is the best/healthiest romantic relationship in the show

[@alim.9801]

And coach beiste!!

[@calmbbaer]

@@rebeccag.1016 - And as we all know the most suitable punishment for sustained sexual harassment is a brief yell. Makes it all better!

[@pedrosoares597]

I just know Mr. Schuester would be rapping Young Thug's verse in Havana by Camila Cabello and do it directly towards an underage girl in that stupid Glee room

[@franciscamarques4380]

why is this so accurate

[@lydiavalentino]

This really just reminds me of Normani's tweet from 2013 where she called Camila "[her] Lea Michele" - which, given the controversy Camila's gotten into as of late, might've been more accurate than intended.

[@graciesaunders7418]

Remember when Ryder had enough trust in the glee club to share that he had been molested and Artie and Sam acted like Ryder should BE GRATEFUL that a "hot teenage girl had played with his junk" and it was never brought up again and they faced ZERO CONSEQUENCES for it??? It still makes me angry to this day

[@EuroMIX2]

Unfortunate reflection of reality. There are even women who think that men cannot refuse sex from a woman, and if he does he's either gay or she's going to force herself on him anyway.

[@takewhataway]

That's real life.

[@biazacha]

That still what happens one decade later... no farfetched, just handled poorly.

[@mtayl0r]

I KNOW. THAT MADE ME SO MAD

[@Anna-jw4vq]

True! Kevin McHale also addressed this a while back and said that it was an awful scene

[@kingnorkaiser]

The most egregious “no consequences of their actions” part of Glee for me is Kurt attending approximately 4 days of his Vogue internship and then basically never going back again, with a little insert by Sarah Jessica Parker saying yeah it’s chill you’re so talented you don’t even have to come to work

[@alexandreanuwer5993]

I literally forgot about that until you mentioned it lol

[@rileywest1167]

The troubletones did nothing but slay. They have my complete support. Their songs always ate

[@mela1736]

YES! good song choices and most importantly Naya and Amber singing basically everything 🤩

[@matthewbalsinger3238]

Naya Rivera singing "If I die Young" really hits hard this week. :(

[@quinn5920]

...look, you didnt have to make me cry like this

[@skyepapa5334]

yeah that really hurt. edit: also @your bestest fwendy wend nice username

[@nicoviola1489]

mhm

[@graceyl.195]

Your Bestest Fwendy Wend don’t wanna assume anything, is your username a starkid reference 👀

[@quinn5920]

@@graceyl.195 It's plausible

[@thecrazygainerguy]

Every couple of months my brain suddenly remembers the 'Let's have a kiki' scene and I really wish it would stop that.

[@sarasrensen2580]

it's turkeylurkey time:)

[@foguinho_br6172]

That's me but with I still believe/ super bass

[@ms42662]

Lock the doors TIGHT!

[@courtney2915]

Foguinho_Br mines somehow both at the same time

[@michg1334]

Saaaaame

[@879SCSP]

Glee and Tumblr go arm in arm in the fact that they both are items of their time that really make a person cringe when looking back, but are so connected to our formative years that a lot of us would fight to death to protect it

[@ninjaartist1235]

You might wanna let it die

[@879SCSP]

@@ninjaartist1235 Not unless I can kill it first

[@giladadadada1614]

sue sylvester bring a hardcore barb is the most in character thing i’ve ever witnessed

[@Lo0serx3]

you missed Rachel sending Sunshine to a crackhouse in season 2, but with how much bad shit she does can't blame you.

[@jareddelacruz192]

Lol, so true... hahaha

[@AleciaFluffyPresents]

Good in and off the show. You gotta love consistency.

[@AleciaFluffyPresents]

Well, I was drunk when I wrote this. I meant "*Bad on* and off the show". Thank you person who liked it for making me aware of my mistake and being able to correct it.

[@maddisonle-guier1112]

To defend Rachel, it wasn’t an ACTIVE crack house

[@clarold]

Kinda upset how you didn’t mention that Sam’s character changed every season. They did not know what to do with that character.

[@tutifruity1154]

oh god true

[@thenvie]

oh god I just remembered that they had originally written him in to be a love interest for Kurt, but then Darren Criss was a thing so they...????/f//f/fdsfdfshsd what WAS that character. also Tonight Tonight??????? became popular because his brother? glee? glee fans? whatthe

[@ellyxroses]

Yeah this is so true. I also was thinking about season 3 when Sam was a STRIPPER??? HE WAS LIKE 17 WTF. They literally changed Sam’s character each season.

[@yozura8056]

im now on season 4 and his character is like literally on different drugs for every episode

[@thatshygirlinclass8404]

or like when he became this weird hyper kid and starts dating nurses in season five.

[@kmjc1213]

There's a new Glee podcast hosted by Jenna Ushkowitz (Tina) and Kevin McHale (Artie). They interviewed Ryan Murphy in the first two episodes, and he said that if he could go back and do it again, he probably would have cancelled the show after Cory's death. He admitted that they filmed The Quarterback way too soon and that it wasn't good for any of them to go back to set so quickly. Kevin said that he and other cast members would occasionally just walk off set during takes to cry. I haven't watched that episode since it aired but I remember absolutely hating it. Glee was my happy place, and to see the characters and cast grieve so openly was not something that I (or they) needed. Also the last two seasons were just awful. They completely ruined so many beloved side characters by giving them horrible storylines (namely Blaine and Tina). They also spent four seasons using Coach Beiste's character to show us that being a woman could look however you wanted it to look, only to totally turn their backs on that and say 'a masculine woman must actually be a trans man.' Seriously, by the end of the show my fanfictions were better than what came out of that writers' room.

[@froginatub]

I'd agree with almost all of this, but I would gently push back on what you say about Bieste. I am a masculine woman myself, with a number of friends who are trans guys! A lot of them did think they were butch lesbians at first- it's a pretty natural assumption. It doesn't mean all butches are secret trans men, of course (I'm not) but it's certainly not not unrealistic! I also think it's a little unfair to pit masc women and trans guys "against" each other in this way, as if representation for trans men is a "loss" for Butch women in some way. I'm a "rising waters raise all ships" type. More acceptance of trans people will mean more acceptance of gender nonconformity; which is a win for masc women! Of course it would have been nice if Glee (or any show lol) had more masc women or trans characters on it, so they could all stand alone as characters rather than having to represent whole demographics, but I don't have any problem with the storyline itself!

[@calmbbaer]

Agreed about Beiste. It's probably the most Glee thing in Glee: Totally sacrificing canon and character development in the name of drama and agenda. It reminds me of Ally McBeal where Ling tells Fish that she doesn't like sex because it gets her too sweaty. Then, maybe an episode or two later, she tells him that she actually REALLY likes sex, as long as she gets REALLY sweaty. This is supposed to be a funny, character-building surprise, but it comes off as the writers just regretting and changing their mind about something and not respecting the audience enough to write within the limitations that they themselves set. Which, again, was Glee's defining characteristic since episode two. And, as for the politics of it, if Glee cared about the struggles of butch women, it would have made a different character into a trans man. And there's no way the money train of Glee would stop just because someone died, no matter what Murphy says now that there are no consequences for him saying so. It may sound callous, but, hey, that's Glee. I find it a total non-coincidence that a show that cared more about drama, agenda, quantity, and tokenism than characters, people, quality, non-toxicity, and compassion, had so many cast members who died young. You can tell the ALFs of the world - dated and cringe on the outside, chaotic and traumatic on the inside - from shows that are timeless and launch tremendous careers, like that other McKinley High show, Freaks and Geeks. To the detriment of its members, its longevity, and society, Glee was an ALF.

[@beryla4979]

Agreed with everything there

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

honestly i get why bc the death of a major actor obviously screwed w production but glee just gets so. weird during and after the quarterback if that makes sense lmao. and also why tf wasnt dianna agron there???

[@endercupid]

him never using Chord Overstreets real name or characters name is hilarious and made this video 10x better

[@katie3603]

Fun fact: Chord Overstreet has a sister named Harmony Overstreet

[@icymoons]

their entire family is named this way. much to think about.

[@zahrah8512]

mazie What are the rest called I can’t be bothered too search it

[@carlii1663]

Hungry Like The Vultures Nash, Skye, Summer, Charity, and Harmony are all of his siblings names

[@potatlife]

Carli I those are really hipster names

[@isabelhoch3713]

Oh god XD

[@GwenChan7]

can we agree that they did tina so dirty giving her an unnecessary fake stutter, her rude attitude and backwards character development. Really doing the asian representation dirty. Mike Chang's character development was amazing why couldn't they do that with Tina's?

[@DeeL3]

. . .Mike Chang has character development?? When did that happen!?

[@chrysanna8896]

@@DeeL3 When he argued with his dad about being a dancer and stuff

[@DeeL3]

@@chrysanna8896 yea. . .no. That's not character development.

[@chrysanna8896]

@@DeeL3 At first he was too afraid to chase his dream and then after that storyline he got into a dance school and his father accepted him

[@amirmerrity3048]

@@chrysanna8896 Not development. All of that happened in 1 episode. The pure definition of RUSHED.

[@wompwomp5327]

As a fluent Korean speaker, that piss poor rendition of Gangnam style will forever haunt me.

[@rocketgeek96]

I will say this for Glee: the Bohemian Rhapsody sequence is top tier editing, and probably one of the all-time best visual spectacles ever seen on TV in the 21st century. To. This. Day. I still, even when watching it out of context on KZbin, get goosebumps every single time I watch it. It definitively shows how the rival show choir beat the New Directions simultaneously with the very reasons as to why ND is a better group of people by having them all show up for Beth's birth, all while _some-fuckin-how_ breathing new life into the greatest pop song ever written. Ryan Murphy's greatest achievement. Bar none.

[@kickflipindi]

All except Rachel

[@calliopedollhouse259]

@@kickflipindi i liked Rachel in season 1-2 because she was actually hardworking while being very very obnoxious but also kind of entertaining Then yknow

[@novelle.27]

yep, I think he deserves praise for his creativity on that

[@diyit0]

No.

[@naima9818]

i agree whole heartedly but calling bohemian rhapsody pop is CRAZY

[@geniehossain3738]

It’s hilarious that Riverdale tries to be the bad, cringey version of Glee, when Glee is already the bad, cringey version of Glee.

[@mikemorro140]

Yet somehow Glee did that better

[@criptastical]

I fucking wheezed at this comment, that should honestly be the tagline for Glee Glee: the cringey version of Glee

[@thrownstair]

That makes Riverdale cringe².

[@bm7662]

@@thrownstair lmao yes

[@YupOkayThx]

There's a group musical number where KJ Apa dances and does this weird shoulder shimmy that I will never be able to unsee. For ease of access, I'm adding the link here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oobclp-JibCFg6c

[@raym1477]

The worst thing about Glee (IMO) is how new characters would be hyped up, then forgotten 3 episodes later. SJP's Vogue editor, the British guy that Kurt dated, Demi Lovato and Adam Lambert's characters....gone after 3 episodes with little to no explanation.

[@1rockcrawford]

All for Rachel's terrible plotline, or Schuester being creep usually.

[@savannahnicholo]

Alexander Maxpower i think rory was deported in the show but dont quote me on that if im wrong

[@mjm3091]

@@alexestrada5239 Rory like the other Glee Project cast people where only casted for specific amount of episodes. Which kinda sucks, cause for example Unique not even winning it, became a long running member of the series.

[@Shalalacls]

We know why the love interests were gone. Fandom outrage. They were good characters but the damn fandom was all teenage girls (I know, I was one), and teenage girls want every story to be fanfiction. The things I'd see on tumblr every time Kurt or Santana kissed someone else, I can't speak of.

[@ChenBritMi]

Alexander Maxpower exactly! Joe’s fling with Quinn was so cute and they had so much chemistry, then the writers forgot about it 🤷🏻‍♀️ I feel like the writers forget everything Quinn, like her friendship with Mercedes

[@neutralman9124]

Lea Michele's performance in "The Quarterback" is one of the greatest performances in television history. Her conversation with Will is devastating to such a degree that I can't watch it anymore.

[@Rainingsunshine346]

Agreed. That episode is just so raw and emotional. However I don’t like to make myself cry so I’ll only watch it if I’m in a sad mood

[@lesliesackey2012]

Not only does Frozen bring up Idina Menzel and that parallel universe, it also brings up Jonathan Groff and all of those parallel universe questions!

[@madelynstoltzfus]

I thought of this too! Glad I wasn’t the only one.

[@rjnoriega9726]

This is not hyperbole: this vid is a masterpiece.

[@TenisJr]

Practically every video he makes is top notch. Really, he's amazing.

[@aadityabhattacharya]

I haven't seen a single second of Glee but I have seen this video twice

[@eggressive_]

This brings me so much memory

[@Shalalacls]

This is one of the most complete analysis of the Glee phenomenon I have ever seen. Too many people nowadays simply label is as dated and cringeworthy, it's nice that someone tries to understand why people liked it instead.

[@Priv-rb3ow]

Praise

[@Flower-Haven]

Ryan Murphy let Heather Morris and Naya Rivera choose their wedding song for their characters so they chose Hey Ya as it combined both of their names.

[@allyrose9494]

Okay that’s legit really cute

[@ReeniEspino]

It had been their ship name from the start... their friendship went beyond everything and they wanted to acknowledge fandom (also w the OTP hats).

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Cuuute

[@kevinwillems8720]

Cute, still ironic

[@R34G4N]

god i miss naya and heya so much

[@taylorgayhart9497]

The problem with Rachel Berry is that she has no character development, had she learned from her mistakes and grown to be a better person, people would have liked her. But if there is truth behind her character being inspired by her true personality, then I guess it’s true to life. Rachel Berry is proof the only way to make it in “show business” is to be ruthless.

[@SuperPianogirl123]

Rachel would have developments and then would immediately backtrack. She started to view the others as teammates, then would undercut them for solos and used them as an excuse to get rid of Sunshine. Then she started to value Santana’s friendships and push for her to go for opportunities and then attacked her violently for going for the understudy role

[@yurtyahearne9044]

Tina's character disolvement from the end of season 3 is a symptom of Ryan Murphy being totally unable to write a shy/introverted character or a character with lower confidence and self esteem

[@anniestjohn3494]

remember when ryder told the glee club that he got sexually assulted and everyone in the glee club lauphed at him. and it never got resolved.

[@ineedsleep1877]

Ik that’s so messed up

[@maggiewalsh3590]

OMG I forgot about that!

[@rafaela.7414]

right? I was so mad

[@gia.marie2002]

That scene made me sob and made me so mad, as someone who’s been through something like that, it was really hard for me to see the glee members (mainly Artie and Sam) make a joke out of it. And it was never brought up again, which was actually so sad cause Ryder could’ve had a much more amazing storyline. Ryder’s voice was amazing and that scene and the song, Everybody Hurts, makes me sob my eyes out everytime I watch it!

[@lorens6496]

that was SO FUCKED UP

[@xCookieCowx]

My favourite plot point that was introduced and forgotten - Kurt finds out his dad has cancer in Season 4 Episode 10, and it isn't mentioned again until EPISODE 21

[@ReeniEspino]

That is the only redeeming thing about that crazy awful Christmas episode -- that Burt doesn't have cancer.

[@b0bduncan]

a couple episodes later, a doctor says that burt doesn’t have cancer anymore

[@maffieduran]

That felt like when in "The Room" Claudette revealing she has cancer and it never being brought up again.

[@liarodriguez9119]

The fact that Rachel "wins " a Tony in 2020 and Lea gets cast as Fanny in 2022 is interesting

[@tananario]

Alex Newell winning their Tony Award right in front of Miss Oopsie I Did A Racism is 🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽

[@adaidhfitz]

i actually really liked santana's storyline about being a lesbian because 1 its rare that lesbians get any representation, 2 she was experiencing a lot of internalized homophobia which i related to a lot and had never seen portrayed before and 3 i had also never seen an accurate (sort off, the tv thing was weird) portrayal of what being outed is like before, which is something that happened to me in school so i really liked that :) . There were some things tho like how she just forgave finn after because he sang a song.

[@sylviakane8155]

FACTSSSSS

[@LOVESICKBOY224]

Yeah. Been outed as gay in my hs and it's horrible. Someone used that against me because they hated me. Though the circumstances weren't completely their fault, as I had caused it, but it isn't great to experience. Students wouldn't only avoid me like I'm some freak, but teachers would as well.

[@t.l.5597]

@@LOVESICKBOY224it wasn’t your fault.

[@itshannah6048]

MicTheSnare: craps all over glee as a show Me, a glee fan: understandable, can’t argue with you Mic: implies Glee’s rendition of “smooth criminal” is bad Me: now here’s what we ain’t gonna do

[@4dultw1thj0b]

I don't think he was necessarily saying it was bad, just inexplicable?

[@yourstruly9013]

I was on board because he pointed out Valerie as a stand-out performance, but dissing Smooth Criminal with 2 Cellos is inexcusable.

[@courtally]

Yeah that was a great number

[@dudapanqueca]

smooth criminal was great, thought the same

[@MEDDlNO]

Smooth Criminal was ONE of the few Several BEST covers in the whole show, it’s different, and the number was great, also because Grant Gustin’s a hottie...

[@lucypreece7581]

2 things from Glee i will forever be salty about 1: Tike wasn't endgame and they split them up in season 4 after they were the most solid and mature and least problematic pairing FOR TWO WHOLE SEASONS!!!!! 2: Rachel got into NYADA after choking on her audition but Kurt didn't after he slays his and gives arguably he strongest ever performance in terms of vocals and choreography.

[@jamesosborn1555]

i like tike more than tartie but i’m happy jenna and kevin where together

[@alaeaaa]

Im legit still mad about tike not being endgame

[@mattwaldman3346]

BURT HUMMEL IS THE BEST CHARACTER AND I STAND BY THAT

[@addisynwade9718]

I will forever be salty about Miss Mercedes Jones not getting so much more in the show. Everything that was going to be hers was given to Rachel. From Sam to solos to the part of Maria, she lost so much and only got a semi-decent ending.

[@Molly-tv5sv]

I am so salty about the Kurt/Rachel NYADA thing but honestly, the Kurt being alive moment and the journey of "you need to get in touch with a side of your performance that isn't just camp" was pretty good. I just wish that something like that happened to Rachel (something that she needed to fix or do differently in order to be better) because she literally just sails through the singing part of NYADA just fine and no one gives her any substantial critiques. I know Lea has an amazing voice but it still would've been great character development to see her grow and humble herself earlier on in the show.

[@aaronmichael1201]

Me as a teenager: "I wish I had a teacher like Mr. Schue." Me as a grown adult who now teaches high school: "Mr. Schue is a predator."

[@meeriann]

Why? He was in love with his wife and then Emma. He was a friend to teenagers so he's automatically a predator?? You snowflakes get a fking crip to the reality and look up what a predator really mean. I had a ''kind uncle'' that liked touching me. No he WAS a real predator. Grooming me by being my friend and trying to lure me in. Like an idiot I bought it. I was a child and believed and trusted him. Will never touched anyone. He was what he was. I also had adult friends cause I was more mature for my age. They didn't touch me or try to force me to do anything. Learn the difference, please. And stop trying to turn something wonderful into ugly. Friendships between young and old exist. Older teach us many things and we should appreciate them. I did. It was much better than doing childish shht with the same age idiots. So yeah. There was only ONE predator. And he wasn't even one of those that I chose to be a friend but a relative. Teachers CAN be predators. But he wasn't!

[@beatsbydrea6557]

That part

[@lexx.stormm]

Will should’ve gotten fired, reported and arrested

[@kittyschooley]

I had a friend who said the show should have ended with "The Quarterback." After streaming the show, I realized, I had pretty much stopped watching after that. Cory was absolutely the glue. Just a note, though, when I re-watched the very first episode, I cried when Cory came on screen. Oh, yeah, and after being mandated at work to go to "violence in the workplace" trainings, Sue would not have been able to continue working - she would have had to clean up her act or leave. No comments on that!

[@ameliatownsend5966]

When he started talking about Rachel Berry and how the show had no consequences I immediately thought of when Rachel sent Sunshine to a crack house.

[@ameliatownsend5966]

I dont care 💀🤣

[@RozWBrazel]

@@ameliatownsend5966 who are you talking to? 👁👄👁 Did they leave?

[@WAK3_UP_]

@@RozWBrazel 💀

[@sharonsmith2771]

That was funny.Anway,it wasnt an active crack house,so relax.

[@ameliatownsend5966]

@@RozWBrazel LMFAOOo came back and didn't realize they must have deleted the comment someone said it wasn't an active crack house.

[@gumballz.9259]

The problem with Glee is literally Rachel (and the actor who played her). I was so sick of Glee constantly revolving around her while pushing mediocre or downright absurd storylines to literally every other character. The later seasons feel like a fever dream most of the time.

[@1rockcrawford]

Kurt, Santana, and Mercedes especially, got pushed into B-Plots for Rachel's boring repetitive plotline, and post-high school, it became abundantly obvious. Hearing from the cast about all of her bullying/hazing, it's not surprising she ate up much of the showtime; once the show took off, I don't doubt she threatened to walk if they didn't center things around her, as she was the main.

[@beryla4979]

So true her character is boring and wasted screen time which could've gone to others other, everytime she had a solo I'd skip it

[@elizaharrison8853]

the fact that she could only sing in one genre and we were supposed to believe that she was the ONLY one in glee meant to be successful? okay

[@camillastimemachine]

mieliany they did Dianna Agron SO DIRTY (and Quinn was also so much more interesting than Rachel, I don’t understand why they didn’t keep her around for longer)

[@Shalalacls]

Absolutely, that's why it would have done the show so good to just up and change the whole cast after season 3. They just gave Rachel more and more space without the more captivating characters and storylines to dilute her.

[@meganlinart948]

This really makes you appreciate teen dramas like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where consequences are the backbone of the entire series where everything that happens is such a huge part of the characters and their growth.

[@erylaria398]

"When it was good, there was nothing like it" sums it up very well. I was in my mid 20s when i watched glee and the teen drama and ridiculous story lines were grating at that point. BUT. Having been in some form of choir/chorus or musical theater group all through my time at school, when they were on stage and they hit those big notes, and you could see the emotion on the faces and hear the harmonies welling up like tsunamis - i cried. A LOT. If performing is your thing, then there is NOTHING like it. And glee reminded me of "my time in the spotlight" (if you can call it that lol). Yeah, it's ridiculous, over the top, silly, insane, exaggerated, just straight up DUMB sometimes. And viewed from today, the tokenism is just... oof. But the core of the show - people being passionate about music and performing - is something i will always be able to come back to and hysterically cry over. (Because i did not make it as a singer, like, at all. Singing makes me sad now. But glee reminds me of when i was still able yo dream, like the characters.)

[@meeriann]

I'm not a performer but I fully agree with you!! I cry when I hear someone singing from the bottom of their hearts. Ughh just watch Death Note Kwang Ho Hong singing.... jeeeshhhh.

[@tvpivm]

i fully agree

[@camilaandino-sanchez2649]

I'm still mad that Rachel got into NYADA and KURT DIDN'T

[@lemonwater1108]

I KNOW. Kurts voice was made for broadway and they instead had to make everything about Rachel and made Kurt Pursue fashion. Idk it just felt undeserved

[@camilaandino-sanchez2649]

lemon water YESSSSS FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTAND

[@fruitysoupy]

Not to mention that with a voice as unique as his he'd get into almost every stage art centric school there is my brother for example has a very wide vocal range (baritone up to Altus) and got a scholarship because of it

[@camilaandino-sanchez2649]

@@fruitysoupy YES EXACTLY even NYADA is not a real school he should've gotten in the first time instead of Rachel, and that may be just my hatred towards Rachel but I think Kurt should have gotten in first.

[@pinkmannonite6162]

I was legit mad when that happened. That's when I really started disliking the show.

[@Axb2774]

DO NOT every imply that the glee cover of Smooth Cover with 2cellos doesn’t hold up because that is the best of their songs I will defend this on my deathbed that number is AMAZING

[@vic6099]

SAME WHAT THE HELL

[@naturellebella]

Same, one of my favs! Naya and Grant nailed it.

[@radlee974]

Yaaaaaas. It is *so* good!!

[@KristylikeKrisT]

Watching Naya perform if I die young is too much now, rest easy you incredible powerhouse of a woman.

[@chrisdonohue3843]

All the criticisms of Glee are absolutely valid, but I think you fail to call enough attention to how groundbreaking Glee was at the time. Glee was one of the first shows ever to feature such a diverse cast where characters weren’t reduced to stereotypes, but actually had their identities explored (e.g. Asian F, where Mike Chang’s conflict between following his dreams or the path his parents have chosen for him takes center stage.) Also, Glee’s LGBT representation was a true first in mainstream television. You mentioned Kurt’s coming out as a main plot of Season 1, but make only a passing mention of Brittany & Santana in Season 2, which was arguably even more significant than Kurt’s coming out because it was something that was revealed over time. Glee also tackled a lot of serious social issues in ways that were appropriate and offered interesting commentary that explored multiple facets of the issue (e.g. religion in Grilled Cheesus, sexuality in Sexy, domestic violence in Choke, etc.) The experience of watching Glee in 2020 as an adult is entirely different from watching it during its original run as an adolescent coming to terms with their identity. Yes, any Glee fan acknowledges the countless plot holes, silly tropes, and painfully stupid moments, but Glee’s impact on pop culture and inclusion of underrepresented groups shouldn’t be overlooked.

[@aliciasousa5889]

Yes! I first watched glee when I was 10 y/o, and still to this day I can say how much I've learned with Glee, how to me, as kid, it was a way to open up my mind to the diversity of the world. Glee it's not something to be followed nowdays, but at that time, it was a ground breaking show.

[@morganmarsh1276]

The show acted like Quinn had everything Rachel didn't but in the long run, she just got knocked up twice; once by puck and once by a truck.

[@haydenyoung2253]

Oof

[@agalwithnoname]

Jail. 💀

[@bxtchyqueen1687]

Sheeee haddd dumps like a truck, truck, truck

[@gamer42go21]

Well played.. well played.

[@sarahlacroix2980]

O_O

[@harleyquiinnnn]

You forgot the fact that the only bisexual character was also portrayed as basically 'perpetually confused' in general

[@nelumboandrews6762]

Yup! Yup!

[@eviekenyon574]

Not to mention the many comments made about it, eg: “conflicted”, “mostly lesbian” etc. Ryan’s writing was constantly biased

[@clarisselu2935]

don't forget kurt's (and actually the show in general's) biphobia

[@clarisselu2935]

fiiiggkgk hduj not sure who you're replying to, but brittany was the bisexual talked about in the original comment

[@eviekenyon574]

fiiiggkgk hduj which comment are you replying to? If you mean mine then Ryan was the shows producer (I think) and one of the writers

[@Lovely2291]

Watching this after Naya Rivera passed, and the scene of Santana running away after crying just kills me now

[@HannahG93]

Crazy Ex Girlfriend is a great tv musical that I’m so glad that Ryan Murphy never touched. Although I would love to see the CXG writers to tackle Glee.

[@profilenamehello]

I have to totally disagree about Santana. Her storyline hit me more than Kurt. I love Kurt. But not everyone has a Burt in their life. Santana's outing is a far more likely scenerio.

[@molle020]

i also liked santana's storyline more than kurt's. it could be bc wlw are less positively represented or not represented at all than mlm.

[@nelumboandrews6762]

Yes and santana wasnt a steortypical angelic but sassy gay. She was a latina steotype however but thats another thing

[@Prisoner-ld9fy]

i agree. santana's story is so much relatable. Being forced to come out and the scene with her abuela not accepting her is so close to the heart of many lgbt. whats sucks so bad is how they handle the aftermath of her forcibly coming out. its basically just about "redeeming" finn. plus the freaking i kissed the girl cover like dafuq?!?

[@JFeydit]

the thing about santana's storyline (which i think is what he is talking about in this video) is that she's outed not only once but twice and they deal with this REALLY poorly in comparison to kurt's coming out in season 1. fr, you can't come to me and say you'd forgive the person who outed you bc they sang a horrific version of girls just wanna have fun, you just can't

[@zerjiozerjio]

Yes! As a gay man of color, I felt her coming out and her grandmother reject her (which actually happened to me), was very touching. And I don't know. I never felt she was a stereotype of a Latina. I just thought her character was, per her own admission, a bitch. But she was so beautifully flawed!

[@IzabelaSSilva]

"Hey yah" was the wedding number because Heather Morris and Naya's ship name: Heya.

[@xcarex]

That's a very specific fandom niche real-person-shipper inside joke.

[@RomanZolanski123]

Hahaha I’m so glad you commented this, my friends and I were so happy that they played the song

[@nelumboandrews6762]

@@xcarex um have u seen the episode thats what the whole thing is they literally gave out "otp" hats

[@VioletEmerald]

I had no idea. Thanks for spelling this out!

[@leilanyx]

i never see anyone talk about this, but i think a major reason for the shows complete shift in tone and seemingly lack of direction during season 5 was largely due to the fact finn was, essentially, the heart of the show - it's clear most of the storylines planned would have relied on finn being there. like yeah, finn wasn't an amazing character but you can really feel the loss of cory monteith in the later seasons had a major impact on the shows overall feel and quality. another note: glee's main problem is it's refusal for their main characters to actually grow and develop. quinn was the only character that actually changed and grew and then (this is from memory, so i may be wrong on this) ryan murphy threw that away for petty reasons because he wanted quinn to stay the bitchy mean girl and dianna's portrayal of quinn meant he couldn't do that anymore.

[@tananario]

Except nearly every other comment says the exact same thing.

[@evabrachfeld5552]

hey just as an fyi for the future, the terms "wheelchair bound" and "handicapable" are not generally loved by the disability community. "wheelchair bound" just isn't super accurate because wheelchairs are tools for mobility that help people get around and live their lives, wheelchairs are not a hindrance or something that someone is "bound" to, they actually give people freedom. "handicapable" is considered to be a little patronizing, we know we're disabled, you can just say disabled. again, it's not a super huge deal, just for the future. also it was a pretty big ppoint of contention within the disability community that archie was not played by an actual wheelchair user, just because their are so many wheelchair-using actors who can't get non-wheelchair parts.

[@rebekahrhodes9512]

I was going to ask if handi-capable was her preferred label because otherwise it feels weird

[@alim.9801]

I'm glad you said this bc I also was going to comment that disabled is just a better term

[@calmbbaer]

@@rebekahrhodes9512 - it does, even worse and more condescending than "differently abled."

[@CheckyArch4]

Glee is an absolute dumpster fire of poor character development and batshit insane storylines and it might just be one of my favourite shows of all time.

[@elidiabbots4495]

IKR it’s like a guilty pleasure lmao i love it but i know it’s terrible

[@sophiadavis6940]

spot ON. my feelings exactly

[@rachelzahava8292]

Remember when they tried to suspend Santana for slapping Finn even though he had it coming and there is so much violence at that school that no one else ever gets in trouble for

[@morganmarsh1276]

Ikr Quinn and Santana's fight, Finn vs Puck, Santana and Lauren, Jacob Ben Israel vs Tina and her vampire club, etc. It was insane

[@alex_n215]

“i have too much on my plate, william”

[@miya9904]

I think they did it just to make Finn look ‘redeemable’ which is bull

[@saracoutinho3398]

And when Finn punched Puck's face (he desearved) nothing happened

[@braveasanoun5732]

Santana literally gets thrown into a locker *sideways* and that has no consequences, but her slapping a guy that outed her is bad.

[@ladymallowyt]

You're right. I don't believe glee is as fun to watch when you binge watch the series. It was excited when they released the songs before that weeks episode and we were all guessing what the plot of the episodes gonna be. I miss those days. Also, I really hated how Kurt didn't get in to NYDA and Rachel got in from harassing the deen

[@marvelmaniacs1]

I always laugh whenever I see the scene of Will telling the kids that they're all in a minority because they're Glee club cuz it's just so not true😂

[@asherfriedman877]

here's the thing all gleeks acknowledge that glee is a terrible show and love it anyway

[@meg3938]

Ya i feel like no fandom hates itself more

[@sairuhbby]

no one hates things like the people who love said things

[@livingwithgray1168]

Omg this is so goddamn true. Lmao!

[@flowerhobi1673]

Oh man this comment just sucker punched me in the face i havent heard the term GLEEKS since 2014 tumblr i forgot how huge gleeks were too oml

[@idek7438]

Yeah it's trash but it's our trash

[@Archetrixxx]

Santana was reprimanded by Will for the way she reacted to being outed, but Finn was never chastized for outing her. It sucked because I loved her storyline but she definitely wasn't treated like Kurt.

[@ariannahoward4554]

Exactly! I was so angry when it happened 😠

[@R34G4N]

because ryan murphy has sympathy for kurt, being a gay man himself. that’s why it was written with such care. santana got none of that because he doesn’t care about lesbians/wlw. it’s clear too with how brittany being bi is treated mostly as a result of her hyper sexuality

[@sanaxxxi3568]

Remember the dodgeball thing the way Finn the one started it and yet will and Burt make a whole video about Santana being gay and made sue release it. the slap from Santana to Finn always worth it to me.

[@soaribb32]

It's fucking awful.

[@asa9492]

Omg I just started Glee for the first time and I thought I was the only one that felt that there was favouritism with Kurt's homosexuality vs Santana's like?? Glad I'm not the only one

[@lovelove-55s]

Rachel was quite literally a horrible person and she got so much pass throught the show AND THEN they tried to make you feel bad when another character put her in her place

[@liarodriguez9119]

The scene where Santana cries while singing after Cory's death still gives me chills.

[@l.h.8151]

Yeah, I'm a POC... P- Person O- In C- glee club

[@imjayhime]

•_CherriBear_• *you’re

[@mr.worldwide4758]

P - Person O - Of C - Club of Glee

[@queenkatara7861]

You forgot one of the worst parts of the school shooting episode: Ryder: Hey I just wanted to tell everyone I got molested when I was 11 by my babysitter. Artie and Sam: Wow that’s so cool man. Getting abused by an older woman is hot. We are going to completely ignore how bad that sounds, never apologize, and suffer no consequences for this other than Will saying “hey that’s not cool man.” Kitty: I am a survivor as well, Ryder. I haven’t been able to share this and it’s hard coming forward. Ryder: Lol I just told you all that because I’m trying to figure out who’s catfishing me. Nothing else about this is important. Just figuring out who my catfisher is so I can have a mini arc in the finale.

[@liamdevries789]

That was in Lights Out episode.

[@ashleighdean6943]

THIS ANGERED ME SO MUCH OMGG Like WUT? You can't bring something like molestation up, and not talk about it again. And the fact that Artie and Sam thought it was cool/hot? It angered me so much, it dishonours real victims and gives the idea that molestation is something 'good' ( i say that as the way that Sam and Artie were talking, it was almost like they were jealous of Ryder).

[@Mo-qt9ni]

Yea they didn’t do it properly ✨at all✨ , but they were trying to show how people brush off men’s assault. Even Ryder didn’t take his experience seriously. It would’ve been more impactful it we saw how that experience affected him long term over the show, but then it wouldn’t be glee.

[@borednerd5767]

@@ashleighdean6943 it was a valid plotline since many do undermine the experiences of male victims... but the fact that they never learnt what they did wrong makes it so so bad

[@softboy5573]

That had so much potential for a strong relationship between Ryder and Kitty as well as a new understanding on why Kitty is such an awful character in the beginning but they literally ignored it like what??

[@kyleighmaddox2574]

36:08 The Glee train would muster on. That is until it got derailed. The editing and timing gave me chills. I was watching Glee during its prime and as a fan back then and partially still to this day. Cory's death was a horrible tragedy and no matter who you supported or even knew the show. July 13 2013 was a day of sorrow and also condolences. Some people to this day miss him.

[@AnimalGirl345]

"when it was good, there was nothing else like it" honestly that perfectly encapsulates that show and why i (and probably many others) kept watching and honestly still can enjoy it now. obviously it was frustrating, at least when it was ridiculous you could laugh and make fun of it, but sometimes you would have those awesome moments that just made you forget about everything frustrating.

[@soaribb32]

Naya actually had a breakdown during her redition of If I Die Young, that screaming and crying was for real.

[@beans6765]

Wow, if it wasn't I was gonna say that her acting was so raw

[@soaribb32]

@@beans6765 Naya and Cory were friends from the beggining of the series til his death.

[@iammehowru]

Ofc it was real, all of the performances in that episode were real

[@devilxcity]

Well, actually the meltdown was scripted, but for later in the episode, so when Naya couldn't get through the number without crying, she just decided she would add the meltdown in there. Saved her, and made for a really good acting showcase.

[@evetaylor7704]

Naya: - Has a full on breakdown which was not scripted - Directors: - GO ON KEEP GOING! THIS IS GOOOOOD TV! YES KEEP CRYING KEEP HAVING A MENTAL BREAKDOWN WE DONT CARE ABOUR YOUR MENTAL HEALTH!!! - Me: justice for naya 😔

[@lauracelis8004]

Okay yes, glee has faults but the smooth criminal duet was on of the best duets on that show

[@GreatBooker]

Thank you

[@mentallyunstable1926]

naya and grant were great in that song and it’s amazing i will not change my mind

[@Sara-to4qg]

I used to watch it on youtube on repeat omg

[@trinifernandez8870]

Every single person who liked this comment is bisexual

[@ritabrown9487]

i was looking for this comment thank you.

[@sophiakarina5322]

I’m so confused at your description of the Rachel and Finn S3 ending cause it’s entirely the opposite of what actually happened. For me it captured what you were talking about with s1 doing so well - emotional stakes. Finn literally breaks up with her on their wedding day cause he acknowledges the reality that long distance and the work Rachel will need to put in to achieve her dream just won’t work congruently with their relationship. It’s quite arguably the most selfless thing a Glee character does (all to be undone 4 episodes later of course LOL).

[@taylorgayhart9497]

I would have stopped watching Glee after season 3 no matter what, but losing Cory was… the end of ever enjoying Glee for me. It happened not long after my stepbrother ODed and died, so many people are me were struggling with addiction, and losing him like that was heartbreaking. The episode The Quarterback was like therapy, but it was the last episode I could bring myself to watch.

[@volkaytno]

THE JOKES ON CHORD OVERSTREET SKDKENDKNE I SCREAMED ON ALL OF THEM

[@daishoryujin95]

I feel sorry for the non-music theory types, those jokes went over their heads like a trebuchet

[@amybow9715]

TrIaD uNdErBrIdGe

[@mr.worldwide4758]

nEaPoLiTaN 6 aDjAcEnT tO rOuNdAbOuT

[@at-fq1km]

IM LOOKING FOR LITERALLY ANYONE THAT HAS COMMENTED ALL OF THEM CAN SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A LIST

[@emmapoorman3736]

I wish the story line of Brittany and Santana's love was mentioned. Their character development as a couple was actually beautiful and well-done, unlike maaannnyyy of the other plot lines. I loved the way they went through the motions of being confused and conflicted with their sexuality, and eventually created, in my opinion, the best relationship on the show.

[@nelumboandrews6762]

Exactly

[@C-aro]

yeah he literally didn’t give a fuck about santana and brittany. naya rivera CARRIED that show, but he completely dismissed that.

[@imkorona6592]

It's a shame they didn't even show them in the last episode. I was hoping to see them maybe forming a family? Or whatever they were doing. It wasn't fair, it was one of the few (or maybe the only😂) non-toxic couple on the show

[@C-aro]

ryan murphy sucks tbh

[@leahheapp]

IM Corona it’s because of the feud between Naya and Lea. Naya asked producers to reduce her role in season 6, I believe because she wanted to focus on her music and other things probably due to how toxic it got. It’s a real shame because it would’ve been amazing to have focused on the original new directions in the last season and yeah, seen where Brittnay and Santana were at in life post-wedding.

[@KristylikeKrisT]

Kurt’s rendition of I wanna hold your hand in the context of the scene he sang it in is one of the best performances of the show imo

[@mygroinisonfire]

I'm glad you mentioned the "Baby Got Back" discourse, I was upset when it happened and when I tried to explain to people why they all thought I was overreacting. Glad to see someone else saw how fucked up that was

[@bethanymears]

Is it just me or did everyone just forget that Will was a Spanish teacher?

[@roslyngordon4596]

Who could NOT speak Spanish

[@serena9836]

I feel like that there are multiple different subjects that he could have thought that would have been more fitting.

[@mikemorro140]

@@serena9836 he did become a history teacher

[@connorjess7000]

@@mikemorro140 that was also forgotten

[@pumpkinhead6760]

For a long time I thought he was a language arts teacher

[@amoerike5860]

they absolutely RUINED blaine’s character after the second season. He turned from a suave, confident place of safety for kurt, into somewhat of a stereotypical gay character who had almost none of the confidence or personality that he possessed before. even his hair was completely ruined lmao. I feel that the original blaine could have been developed as a deeper character, but as the series progressed he became rather shallow and two dimensional. - not bashing on darren criss at all, he’s fantastic and in my opinion one of the consistently best vocalists on glee (he’s also a fantastic actor and artist overall)

[@caitlinwheeler7915]

Straight up they made his hair his personality and it’s awful. Like the OBSESSION with gelling his hair was just tragic I hated it

[@joselocalau123]

Caitlin Wheeler i know, specially since his hair is so beautiful damn

[@cowgrll]

speak the truth!!!! they did blaine so dirty. sometimes i have to think about the sheer volume of gel in his hair and weep

[@parmin8388]

They even said Blaine had problems with his father and they never came back to it

[@parmin8388]

@Steamy Mozzarella I don't really disagree 🙃

[@rikkifishy]

Coming back two years after this video was posted and how many years after it aired, but I am still livid that Kitty faced NO consequences for gaslighting Marley into a fucking eating disorder.