Here's WHY Bill Russell Was BETTER Than Michael Jordan!

Somehow, when we talk about greatest basketball players of all time we forget the GREATEST NBA player to ever play the game. He battled politics, racisms, prejudice and he was training his team while we played. Ladies and gentleman! The ULTIMATE WINNER - Bill Russell!
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[@PurplePrinceNBA]

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[@81giorikas]

There were much fewer teams then man. And stats you don't want to compare because jordan has much better stats as an all around player. And some that haven't been broken to this day and transcend the ages. Bill Russel is great, one of the greats but your points make no case.

[@ceezarsamson2532]

81giorikas lol fr he wants to talk about how Russell won more rings even tho there weren’t as many teams but then he doesn’t wanna compare stats because of different eras

[@gsteve8198]

Whatever you smoking you need to stop

[@bolo5190]

To me Bill Russell was a combination of Dennis Rodman, Draymond Green, Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. To me a combination of that many great players definitely shows how phenomenal he was.

[@brucecooper7363]

Lets count together: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11

[@emmanuelliwag2706]

Bill Russell : 11 Championship, 8 Straight Great in Assist , Rebounds , Defense and Offense And a Boston Celtics. ..

[@chrislipski5984]

Was he good on offense though?

[@emmanuelliwag2706]

14K+ points in his career. ... Overshadowed by his defense and rebounds. ..

[@chrislipski5984]

15ppg on with 44% fg with 56% free throws doesnt strike me as great offense. 4.3 asissts doesnt strike me as great assist numbers considering he wasn't their primary scorer, with guys like sharman, cousy, havlicek leading in points. Not bad assist numbers for a center, but in my opinion, not great

[@emmanuelliwag2706]

Just as you said... To you.... Ni hindi kita kailangang kumbinsihin

[@syrzsouls3665]

@@chrislipski5984 4.3 assists in VERY high for a big man, 2nd most in nba history if i remember correctly.

[@dravendfr]

I’d love to put Bill Russell’s defense against Larry Bird’s offense just to see what would happen, not that it would happen because even in an all-time team they’d be TEAMMATES!

[@markallengarcia6695]

Jordan - 6 rings, 5 MVPs, 6 Finals MVPs. Sounds good, but.. Russell - 11 rings, 5 MVPs, the Finals MVP award is named after him Russell gave Boston their first-ever ring as a rookie and won his last ring with a different cast as COACH. I don't know about you, but Russell had the clearly greater NBA career.

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

Markallen Garcia And, what I always like to add - consider what he had to go through with all the scrutiny at the time because of his race.

[@mikearcuri406]

MJ never choked in finals. Russell choked in ‘58 finals.

[@billthegoatrussell6608]

@@mikearcuri406 Nigga Jordan got swept in the first round twice. Sorry but GOATS don't get swept.

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Bill Russell never lost a playoff game seven (10-0) Damn

[@NLNBPROMOTION]

Appreciate you

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Most intimidating presence of all time, bill russell

[@mattdurette497]

Russell won in college, team USA, and NBA all in the same year. Then proceeded to win 10 more nba titles. He changed the game by making it vertical. The ultimate teammate, opponent, and forever a Celtic. Sorry MJ - Obama didn't award you the medal of freedom. Russell = goat

[@djmorsell9156]

This 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@daviddawson8379]

👍🏾😄. Bill is my GOAT too

[@MrJamesFoxx1]

I got Bill Russell!!!!🏆

[@greatehien1398]

bill ruswell is not the goat he wasnt a 2 way player he was mostly a defensive player he averaged 15 points a game. he also lost in the nba finals will a stacked team jordan has never lost in nba finals. Case closed

[@christianhenry4173]

@@greatehien1398 Bill Russel is still the goat only a idiot looks at scoring stats the man was voted by the nba itself the best player of that decade before Jordan took a step on the NBA court.

[@greatehien1398]

@@christianhenry4173 you are so stupid when did I say I only at scoring titles I was saying he is not a. 2 way player if ur the goat u play both. Sides. Getting an award dosent make you the goat

[@christianhenry4173]

@@greatehien1398 false he was voted the best as the best of his era 11 is bigger impact than 6

[@greatehien1398]

@@christianhenry4173 no its not because bill era was less competitive than mj and there was only 8 teams and there was no 3 point line. wdym false bill avergaed 15 points he was manly a defensive player this is how i know you didnt watch bill play

[@JoseVazQueZ-xp3ul]

Russell knew how to trust his teammates on day one! And he played to his strengths while putting his ego aside! It took MJ 7 seasons to do that! The only stat that matters is a W or L. Everything else is just a distraction! Russell IMO is a mix of Tim Duncan and Dennis Rodman!

[@bolo5190]

By the way everything you said here was absolutely facts. And by the way he's also a mix of Draymond Green and Kevin Garnett and I say Draymond Green because he would rebound the ball and then push the pace a lot right after when he gets the chance and that's what bill did back in the day a lot, when a power forward or a center is able to push the pace like that you're able to get out in transition a lot quickly for fast break points and Draymond tries to guard all positions on the switches and Garnett was very much the same way they were bigs who defend at the perimeter and not just around the paint and the rim and that's how Bill played too as well.

[@sambeezy007]

Dominance of Rodman and winning spirit of Duncan even if it meant not stat padding. 👏 . "Jordan made a good team a great team. And Lebron made a bad team a good team." I say Russell made a bad team into a legendary team.

[@odog3254]

FACTS Russell was an amazing team member

[@franzantu7816]

Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time!!!

[@lwmson]

Nah, Bill Russell played on the greatest NBA TEAM ever. Suffice it to say there were 10 HOF players who were his teammates, four of which -- Cousy, Sharmin, Jones and Havlichek -- were named to the NBA's "50 greatest players of all time" list. It was the Celtic TEAM that won those 11 titles, not solely Bill Russell.

[@lwmson]

@Litty 3 Titty Bill Russell was a great player, but he wasn't God. There would have been no way that he could have created the exceptional talent that his teammates like ill Sharmin, Sam Jones and Bob Cousy possessed. Cousy was considered to be the Magic Johnson of his era. He was a three-time all-American player in college, something of which Russ obviously had nothing to do with. He was a 13-time all-star and a one time NBA MVP. As for MJ making Pippen, well I have to disagree with that. The year that Jordan went into "retirement" to play baseball, Scottie had what was a arguably the best season of his career. He led the league in steals, averaged a career high of 22 points per game, and a career best of 32 percent shooting from the three-point line. Moreover, he finished third in league MVP voting that season. I'm not as ignorant of basketball as you may think.

[@lwmson]

@Litty 3 Titty Bob Cousy came into the NBA in 1950, seven years before Russell, and he made all star in ALL of those seven seasons PRIOR to Russell coming to the team. He could have made the HOF on the strength of that alone. Russell was said to be the first black coach in pro sports, but as "player-coach" he was really just more or less a figure head with Red Auerbach being the actual coach. Which brings me to another point. Auerbach was arguably the greatest and most innovative NBA coach ever who also played an integral role in Boston winning 11 titles. Mind you, I'm not saying that Russell wasn't a great player. He was without question one of the greatest to ever play in the NBA and he was indeed highly instrumental in Boston winning so many titles. All I'm saying is that he didn't win all of those titles by himself. The Celtics won the most titles because, as it stands to reason, they had the greatest collection of talent ever assembled on one team.

[@dionr1168]

@@lwmson who was the only player who was on the roster for all 11 titles again?

[@lollmaolol2186]

Your a casual

[@RaiderRazor7]

(Sigh) I got nothin’..Stickin with MJ but ..man..11 rings?! All I can throw at it is the number of teams back then but..dang 11 rings is 11 rings. I’ll give.yall Russell fans props and respect and just leave it at that

[@dravendfr]

Less teams means more talent per team since the talent pool isn’t diluted and distributed very thinly besides the occasional super team. Players today get rested, there are thirty teams, some of them even try to hit rock bottom intentionally for those draft picks.The greats of any era are truly great, I love to watch Kawhi Leonard and Lebron for example, they like anyone else can only play against the people who show up on the court that night with the rules established in the era, my complaints are in regard of the state of the NBA today, not the players within it.

[@air2373]

Less teams means less talent and 80% of the players were real life plumbers. Also Russell played with 9 other hall of famers in his team, LOL! I have Russell in my top five cause I think he is top 2 or 3 best defenders ever, but these 11 championships are praised too much.

[@ashlandartist]

Air 23 you have NO idea how much work Bill Russell did to lift his teammates to his level of play… how did the Celtics keep winning with Russell playing with different Celtics teams cause of different players? How did they win the first year without Bob Cousy? How did they win in 1969 against the Lakers when they were supposedly written off and shouldn’t have lasted past the Eastern Conference Finals? Never underestimate Bill Russell… you haven’t done enough research. And he did it without being able to wear a new pair of basketball shoes EVERY game (*cough* Jordan!) - MJ was incredible but you PLAY THE GAME TO WIN and THAT’S IT. In that case, BILL RUSSELL is the Greatest.

[@shutterbugblues]

Bill Russell was actually the leading scorer on his winning college and Olympics teams. He adjusted his game to make the Celtics successful. People love saying that Jordan has 6 Finals MVP awards. Yet, the award itself is named after Bill Russell, not Jordan. Russell won his championships across different Celtic personnel, and was even head coach. Jordan never won without Phil Jackson’s system and Scottie Pippen to lead that system.

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

That's why there is only one Bill Russell. He's been winning for his whole life! :)

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

PRPLPRNCH 1956 🥇🇺🇸 2x NCAA champion 🏆🏆 11x Champion 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 5x League MVP 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 Led the league in rebounds 4x🏀🏀🏀🏀 40 Rebounds in a Playoff Game (single game postseason record- You’ll never see anything like that again) BILL RUSSELL HE was the CELTICS

[@victorquintana4018]

Russel and Jordan were born in February...

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Russell is the best big man in the history of the NBA (in my mind) He could leap & run with the best of them (Chamberlain Willis Reed Bob Petit Walt Bellamy Nate Thurmond Jerry Lucas) He was able to dominate his opponents in the most critical games when Auerbach needed him most Even though he averaged 18 points a game he averaged 23 rebounds a game in his career with Boston (1956-69) in spite of his 6,10” slender frame!! Pretty strong argument for the best player in NBA history

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

Both are All-Time greats.

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

PRPLPRNCH I like your argument for RUSSELL I don’t think that we can argue against 11 championships 11/12 > 6/6 Anyone should know 11wins> 6 wins 12 finals appearances> 6 finals appearances The fact he was a player coach was impressive in an era of racial segregation (50s-60s) It’s a team sport & you can’t win by yourself Bill was a TEAM player Michael was a great TEAM player but it took him 6 years to win a championship Jordan changed the game But Russell was a trailblazer who paved the way for other athletes who were politically/socially conscious

[@chrislipski5984]

Avg 15ppg not 18 but ok

[@lwmson]

Russell won 11 titles with the Celtics, the most ever by far. But at the same time he had by far the best supporting cast of any NBA star in history. Ten of his teammates were hall of famers, four of whom -- Sharmin, Jones, Havlicek and Cousy -- were named to the NBA's 50 All-Time Player list. Before there was the "Dream Team," there was the 1960's Boston Celtics. True, they may have lost games when Russell was absent, but when you're a star player and have such an exceptional high quality of talent assisting you (essentially a de facto all-star NBA team), it's easy to see why they won titles just about every season. Add to that, Russell had Red Auerback as a coach, who was arguably the most savvy and innovative NBA coach in history. It was actually Auerbach who coached the Celtics when Russ was player-coach; Bill was more or less a figurehead. Not to take anything away from Russ, because he was obviously a great player and perhaps the greatest defensive center ever, but those 11 titles should be attributed to the Celtic team as a whole, and not solely him.

[@stephatkinson8606]

The Celtics had great teams, but they wouldn't have been any rings without Russell. All you have to do is look at his 2nd year in the finals and up 2-0, he hurt his ankle and didn't play the next three games. And all those great players couldn't win a game without him? Auerbach wasn't the coach, Russell was the coach, unless you think Auerbach was calling him during the games... one last thing, 3-4 of those players who were all stars actually never made an all star team, yet made the hall of fame.

[@anansi1641]

@@stephatkinson8606 Thank u! Auerbach is overrated as a coach. If u were around at that time u would know that Russell and Oscar had more to do w/the emergence of the modern style of play than Auerbach. Russell innovated Defensive Rotation and the quick outlet pass w/o which the Celtic Fast Break couldn't exist. The Fast Break, ofc, introduced new principles of disciplined floor spacing. Oscar innovated the modern Half Court Offense exemplified by executing set plays. He also innovated Player matchups/mismatches. He ofc developed the xover and dblxover to beat an opposing player on a drive to the basket., and don't forget the Fadeaway Shot (contrasted to the Fallaway one legged shot--Sihugo Green, Wilt, Dirk). Like Russell, Oscar innovated both Strategy and Tactics to the game. He and Russell stand head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of BB IQ. In the early 60s, in natn'l broadcasts, Chris Schenkel would interview and ask Oscar to Explain the game of BB for the audience. Anyone ever called Bird, Magic, MJ to explain the game of BB? Everyone is so quick to belittle Russell. But as u imply, y did this collection of talent that was clearly better than that of every other team of their era, and w/the so called greatest coach all time, repeatedly fail to win a single conference title against lesser talented teams? Sam Jones's ans is that they didn't have William Fenton Russell!

[@sambeezy007]

He had a hall of fame team because he made them a hall of fame team. Without Russell before and after his career they were losers.

[@lwmson]

@@sambeezy007 Bob Cousey was already a seven-time NBA all star BEFORE Russell joined the Celtics. Look it up.

[@sambeezy007]

@@lwmson Yes but he wasn't a champion

[@JagjitSingh-it5fq]

Offcourse because he would play any position and manage the game without any other elite player not being on the team. Bill Russell was the original GOAT and best of all time.

[@air2373]

Bill Russell is Dennis Rodman of the 60s.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Air 23 Rodman/Duncan hybrid

[@air2373]

@@casualfandestroyer2503 More like Rodman/Garnett

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@air2373 that’s reasonable but jus saying Rodman like bill Russell didn’t dominate in more ways than Rodman did and was even better at defense than Rodman that’s why I said Rodman/Duncan or like you said Rodman/Garnett is much more accurate

[@barbarasmalls3459]

Lot of this generation don't know Bill Russell. People taking it to person, not going by stats. my opinion.

[@leonbridges1802]

You got a valid point .

[@ceezarsamson2532]

You wanna talk about how Russell won more rings even tho there were less teams but then you don’t wanna compare stats because of different eras, Lmao that’s clown shit.

[@stephatkinson8606]

Less teams could also mean more balanced teams. I'm from the Jordan era, but i recognize bullshit when i see it. People act like there wasn't basketball being played in the 60's and 70's. The real bs is people can't see the fact that with Magic, Bird and Jordan entering the league, these guys got calls that stars before them never got. Bill Russell made Boston great, that's why they couldn't win before him and when he retired they didn't make the playoffs for three years...

[@karon-pw4yh]

Yet these are the same people who use that same argument with Jordan vs Lebron. Ppl amaze me

[@sambeezy007]

Less teams = More competition and playing against the best all the time. Jordan's Bulls beat on expansion teams easily including the Magic his first 3peat without Shaq there. Even Bird and Dr. J said the league was watered down at the time

[@kingkbtv]

Bill Russell is the goat compared to Jordan

[@thomaskline]

Wilt set the playoff record with 55 rebounds in a game that Russell and the Celtics won. Bill only had 40 or so

[@richardplantan4375]

Rebounds were counted differently back then. You were given credit for a rebound if a player missed a free throw.How ridiculous is that?

[@gsteve8198]

Who has the record for most points in a playoff game in NBA history? It happened April 20,1986

[@hitek9too255]

Only 40 lol.

[@sambeezy007]

@@gsteve8198 And still lost. Big stats without a W is an empty stat. Like who cares if Brady put up a record 500+ passing yards? He lost the Superbowl to the Eagles.

[@gsteve8198]

@@sambeezy007 so what and still ended with more chips than bird. And bird never one back to back let alone 2 3 peats. How do you like that 6-0 stat

[@dudetgirls]

It just goes to show all y'all sports fans that defense wins more championships than offense does!!! Ask any coach in any sport and they will all tell you the same thing!! Reason why Russell has 11 rings because he worried about defense more than offense!!! If Michael Jordan played in bill Russell's era Jordan wouldn't have as many rings because Russell would dominate Jordan in the paint period!! Same thing if Russell played in mjs era it would still be the same result!! Bill would stop mj just like he stopped wilt so Russell is the goat!!!

[@kylemessineo8542]

This is by far the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard 😂😂.

[@richardplantan4375]

In no way was Bill Russell better than Michael Jordan. Russell was a great defensive player maybe the best ever.But offensively he could be described as mediocre at best. He averaged 15 points a game and shot 44% from the field. He shot 56% from the free throw line.Michael Jordan was the greatest offensive force in history and was one of the greatest defenders in history. Case closed.

[@ZDXP84]

Dude remind me again how many rings did Michael Jordan get again compared to bill Russell cause last time i checked Bill Russell has a hand (five fingers) of rings than Michael Jordan and when you say offensive force you have to be more specific because if you mean points scored LeBron has long passed his record by more than a thousand point. Now That case close

[@richardplantan4375]

@@ZDXP84 Your logic sucks.Jordan has the highest scoring average at 30.1 ppg LeBron turned pro at 18 and Jordan missed 5 years being retired twice and missing a whole year because he broke his foot. As far as championships are concerned in Russell's time there were only 8 to 14 teams in the league and in most of those 11 championship only one 7 game series determined who was the champion. In Jordan's day there were 30 teams and you had to play 4 or 5 series to win the championship. Plus the Celtic teams were loaded with hall of farmers. All of the starting 5 are in the hall of fame. As far as championships Lebrons were not earned the right way. He collaborated with his buddies in Miami to join together as free agents. That never existed during Jordan's time.

[@ZDXP84]

@@richardplantan4375dude now your logic doesn't make sense first of all do you know that less teams means that each team had a greater pool of star players unlike today were it the pool is diluted over more teams( expect the nets) and to add to that he would play against wilt chamberlain 94 times in a regular season and how many games did Jordan play including the play offs 82 right which was still was still 12 games bellow bill Russell so just because there was only one game to decide the champions does not mean that they played less than in Jordan's era and another thing that bill Russell went though that Jordan didn't was the fact that they was racism in bill Russell's era where people didn't want him to succeed due to the color of his skin and the fact that he kept on winning didn't help whereas Jordan was love and i don't care what you say but i would rather live in a era were i was loved than one were i was treated as less of a human because of the color of my skin and secondly those hall famers were nothing without bill Russell don't believe me in 1962 when bill Russell was injured for 4 straight games the Boston Celtics went 0 - 4 with those so called hall of famers of that you mention without even winning one game and in 1969 when bill Russell was injured again for 5 straight games and the Boston Celtics went for 0-5 with hall of famers so your points aren't valid. As far as LeBron i don't think there is a wrong way to earn a champion because let me ask this didn't LeBron play his butt off playing 82 games even though he had help did he still not play because people act like LeBron did nothing in Miami and was just there doing nothing and what others fall to realize is that making it to the finals is an achievement on its own especially if you drag two teams rosters that had no business in the final what so ever being there and another thing that people forget that Michael Jordon had help to to win all of the 6 champions with Scottie Pippen on his team, in all six champions

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

1956 🥇🇺🇸 2x NCAA champion 🏆🏆 11x Champion 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 5x League MVP 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 Led the league in rebounds 4x🏀🏀🏀🏀 50th Anniversary Team (1997) 12x All Star ⭐️ All Star MVP ⭐️ 🏆 40 Rebounds in a Playoff Game (single game postseason record- You’ll never see anything like that again) BILL RUSSELL Bill Russell was a dominant Center who impacted the league even in the midst of racial discrimination in the 1960s To me, I’ve always had Russell in my all-Time Basketball Rushmore along with Michael Jordan,Larry Bird & Earvin Magic Johnson

[@lordbrady8117]

But there were only 8 teams back then so it’s a bit different to Jordan’s era all in all there are goats in each era.

[@cla1763]

L'd love to see a match up between Bill Russell in his prime and Michael Jordan in his. My bet would be Russell would beat the living heck out of Jordan. Especially if they were playing under the same rules Russell had to play under.

[@AnilBaz]

Jordan ll rip him

[@MR.CLEAN777]

Bill russel is ass all he can do is defend

[@momo4044]

You can tell you're not a hooper said a sg vs a c 😂

[@HamboneyGamezYT]

11 of 13 winning seasons..Jordan lost his first 7 in a row.....8 rings in a row....and all while battling 70s Boston racism and Wilt and Oscar....cmon....

[@christianhenry4173]

Kobe bryant was goat LeBron james Goat Wilt chamberlain Goat Michael Jordan Goat. Magic Goat Bird Goat But Kareem and Bill Russell have the wins to back up better claims.

[@youngcactusjack]

Idk about that but that’s your opinion but mine is MJ is the greatest to ever lace up

[@christianhenry4173]

@@youngcactusjack look at the overall career not just stats. Kareem has multiple in all levels. Bill Russell established team winning so you can't compare eras. But if we mention playing the game the right way without flash Bill Russell is miles ahead of Michael simply because he has more to prove its almost unfair looking at the wins.

[@youngcactusjack]

@@christianhenry4173 wym I do Jordan’s claim as the goat is the most complete argument there is for any player he was damn near perfect and check off every criteria for the title ever so here let me show how by breaking it down great by great because might has little to no flaws in his game/career as a whole totality: -If you want to call bill Russell the goat that’s fine but he didn’t statistically dominate on both sides of the floor like mj did and isn’t as overall accomplished or has as many records as mj -if want to call wilt the goat that’s fine he was a freak of nature and dominated the regular season and has chunk of the individual nba records to himself but didn’t dominate as much or thrive in playoffs or won at all as much as Mj did - if want to call kareem/Kobe the goat that’s fine but they weren’t always the definite alpha or leader and true best player in all of there championship teams like mj was (side note: just like kareem had his own ungaurdable shot with the perfected sky hook mike made/ his own ungaurdable later in his career specifically the 2nd three peat with the perfected fadeaway jumper which was hard for even great centers to stop because it was so quick and effective -if you to call lebron the goat that’s fine but he dominate on both sides of the floor to extent that mj did and didn’t win as much and literally has moments costing his team the chip in the finals (2011,2007,2014) and mike again surely dominated on both sides of the floor (10x scoring champ and 9x defensive 1st team w/ a Dpoy) -if you want to call magic/bird/shaq/Duncan the goats that’s fine but again simply they didn’t win as much and again weren’t always the alpha player on all of there championship teams and wasn’t called the clear most dominate or best players of their eras they had share the titles, shaq had to share the title of best player w/ players like Kobe, Tim, wade, bron etc while mike didn’t he clearly dominated and was truly the best player of his era the 90s decade -lastly if someone somehow chooses Hakeem as the goat cool, but remember that Hakeem never won as many as majority of the other candidates listed was never seen as the clear best player in the league till mj left and wasn’t as dominant So you see no matter what argument you make for any other player/candidate Jordan is simply the only one the clearly checks off every criteria -dominated the regular season✅ -dominated the playoffs✅ -most decorated ✅ - truly dominated his era✅ - transcended the sport globally✅ -always the alpha of his team✅ -clutch and had a tireless work ethic✅ -unmatched killer instinct and skill✅ -has many records under his name ✅ -GOAT✅

[@christianhenry4173]

@@youngcactusjack no sir. Your going by generation but Bill Russell name is honored on every finals mvp of Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He set the standard for today's most valuable player.

[@youngcactusjack]

@@christianhenry4173 nigga had to go against 9 other teams with only 2 rounds of playoffs to win his chips man foh I do respect and honor bill Russell for what he has done for the game to transcend it for African American player but only a legitimate basketball standpoint he’s not the best player ever because his WHOLE ENTIRE argument is based off of team success and very much since he regarded to have the most stacked and most dominate team of his era with like 9+ hofs on his team , so yea I’m sorry but just don’t respect his 11 rings no more than the warriors 2 with kd as well as his generation so his rings just don’t hold that much weight to me not mention he really couldn’t even effectively play the whole other side of the floor (offense) his offensive production was average at best because 17ppg on 44% fg is kinda underwhelming especially coming from a player his stature with his athleticism in era like that like there’s no reason that a player like bill in that era can’t touch even touch 30 a game playing those players and don’t say ppl like wilt and Walt Bellamy cuz he didn’t have to see them every game especially in the 50s where bill did most of his “winning”

[@guyjerry]

Only player in NBA history to have his number retired league-wide. He was the greatest and an American hero

[@JagjitSingh-it5fq]

Totally I agree

[@jeromelockett6754]

I’m still taking MJ it’s easy to dominate when you’re bigger than everybody else but to dominate on both ends as a guard is unheard of except for #23💯

[@Eoj24]

Those are emotional validations

[@sambeezy007]

The person to dominate the most on both ends was Wilt. He dominated more than Jordan did. Wilt (like Jordan in the mid 80s) did put up great stats but still ended up losers until they stopped putting up insane individual stats.

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

In my opinion 1. Jordan’s the best player in NBA history 2.Russell is the best big man in NBA history 3. Wilt is the most dominant superstar in NBA history

[@charlespatriotsfanforlifew1195]

@Danny Eric Benavidez well said

[@FuShengAlex]

Wilt was NOT the most dominant Center in NBA history. His #s declined across the board in the playoffs vs what he averaged in the regular season. Worst FT shooting HOF player ever!

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

FuShengAlex 90 Records-Wilt And the NBA changed rules to limit Wilt. Yet wilt dominated all the rebound records and most points records And Wilt has multiple postseason playoff record

[@joanneiosefo1555]

Let me see how many rings MJ have 6 (6 is that all Pfffft 👎) & Bill Russell how many rings did he have 11 💥 wow now that's a Real King

[@momo4044]

Against 8 other teams in the nba😂

[@josearamos6273]

JORDAN IS A GOAT.

[@TheValdo71]

Nope.

[@Justin-mz4qr]

11>6 it’s that simple

[@JagjitSingh-it5fq]

Another thing lebron is better than Jordan because lebron won championship on different teams that he went to but Michael jordan couldn’t do that.

[@Subher0]

MJ is the goat, hands down

[@sonsoftheedelweiss72]

Bill = GOat

[@gsteve8198]

Billy goat maybe😂😂

[@calebtoko598]

Rip 🪦 bill Russell ☘️

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

People say Russ wasn’t a scorer but wilt only averaged 17 PPG for his finals career and finished 2-4

[@QankoIvanov]

Because that was after injury and Wilt was concentrating to pass in his last years.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@QankoIvanov In playoff/finals meetings between Russell and Chamberlain, Wilt's scoring went down each time Wilt = 37.6 ppg in 1959/60 season Wilt = 30.5 ppg vs Russell in 1960 EDF (- 7.1 ppg) Wilt = 50.4 ppg in 1961/62 season Wilt = 33.6 ppg vs Russell in 1962 EDF (- 16.8 ppg) Wilt = 36.9 ppg in 1963/64 season Wilt = 29.2 ppg vs Russell in 1964 Finals (- 7.7 ppg) Wilt = 34.7 ppg 1964/65 season Wilt = 30.1 ppg vs Russell in 1965 EDF (- 4.6 ppg) Wilt = 33.5 ppg in 1965/66 season Wilt = 28.0 ppg vs Russell in 1966 EDF (- 5.5 ppg) Wilt = 24.1 ppg in 1966/67 season Wilt = 21.6 ppg vs Russell in 1967 EDF (- 2.5 ppg the only time he beat Russell) Wilt = 24.3 ppg in 1967/68 season Wilt = 22.1 ppg vs Russell in 1968 EDF (- 2.2 ppg) Wilt = 20.5 ppg in 1968/69 season Wilt = 11.7 ppg vs Russell in 1969 Finals (- 8.8 ppg) And this is without factoring in that Wilt likely padded his stats in blowout situations, like we saw in the 1962 EDF. Russell - a genius who molded his came to fit the needs of multiple title runs Wilt - less of a helpful impact on his team's success.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@QankoIvanov not true. The year he averaged 50 his scoring went down 15 points in the playoffs

[@QankoIvanov]

@@casualfandestroyer2503 Because He was asked to pass in the playoffs and you ignore that too. Also he did these points in great efficiency

[@nathanc5621]

MJ couldn't spell "finals" for 8 years. MJ is the greatest SG ever but I wouldn't start him at SF or Center. Would you

[@raymondfelton692]

Yes

[@stayclassyyoutube7699]

Hes was a SF sometimes

[@odog3254]

Imagine winning TWICE the championships as someone and people arguing otherwise... We aren't talking 2:1 we're talking 13:6

[@sambeezy007]

He won 11 but I agree. Jordan fanatics always say "He won MVP and DPOY in 1 year. The DPOY award didn't come out until 1982. Throughout Russell's career he'd have at least 5+ DPOY awards while already having 5 MVPs.

[@odog3254]

@@sambeezy007 you're right, I accidentally added the 2 he also won as head coach

[@xhantisaliso8756]

I think it's more than just the rings it's about how u executed nd dominated the game nd hw ppl call you the greatest even if u denied so many times to be viewed tht wae. I think the greatest achievement that shocked the world is when michael jordan left the game of basketball nd came back stronger than ever no one in the history of sports has done that. Not even "Bill" nd fr the rules that ppl claim, when michael played it was still more physical. Plus he won more than ur average players. More trophies than any player so MJ is my Goat!!!

[@karon-pw4yh]

Nah Id that’s the case then it’s Lebron

[@virginiogarcesjr293]

Jordan did not start winning until after the addition of Scottie and Rodman. Also, even if he played against the college players he can never get 100 points in a game. Wilt did it.

[@KimaniAjamu]

lmao Bill came back after retiring and won 2 chips as a player/coach with a different squad. Furthermore what’s this idea that Bills time wasn’t as physical? He literally played Wilt Chamberlain who was getting 50+ boards a game not to mention blocks. Sounds physical enough.

[@wpl8275]

Jordan came into the league when? 1984. And when was his first championship? 1991. It took him 7 years to win a championship and he did it only after all the best teams of the 80's went down. Bill Russell won a championship in his first year and by year 7 had 6 championships. Jordan also in 1991, bad mouthed the Pistons when he was team was up 3-0 in the ECF. The team which taught him how to win, he bad mouthed just before he finally defeated them. Bill Russell would never do that.

[@ericlittle2369]

Straight facts.

[@adrianisaza9150]

It's a bit more complicated than 11 vs 6. When Bill Russell entered the league there were 8 teams in the NBA. When Jordan won his last championship at age 36 in 1997 there were 29 teams. Jordan won leading scorer 10 out of the 15 seasons he played with 6 championships and 6 finals mvp. MJ is without question the best player of all time. Any debate is for ratings and publicity

[@KimaniAjamu]

The physicality? Bill Russell played against Wilt Chamberlain. Sounds physical enough.

[@kenzo.0079]

@@KimaniAjamu that’s like one person though how many hall of gamers have no rings because of Jordan just saying. There was 8 teams during Bill Russell’s era that’s not competitive compared to the 80,90 and todays game

[@lwmson]

Here's great counter argument to this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/paaQfWR-iLirfLc I hate to take sides, but I would have to agree that Russ was overrated.

[@lordbrady8117]

Russel is good tho.

[@lwmson]

@@lordbrady8117 I'll go you one better: He was great. But I don't think he was great enough to qualify for any GOAT debates.

[@lordbrady8117]

@@lwmson but hey who none of us were born in his era. But there were less teams which mad it competitive so I could add him in the goat conversation and yes he would probably have destroyed micheal jordan if they faced each other one on one.

[@lwmson]

@@lordbrady8117 I would think that less teams would make it less competitive. As for him defeating MJ on on one, I doubt that very much.

[@lordbrady8117]

@@lwmson but there was wilt back then so it maybe have been competivite since we weren’t born those times.

[@justahuman4862]

I'd take Larry or Jordan any day over anyone.

[@KuyaJ63]

11>6

[@Kitxne]

11>6

[@benjaminan1183]

Dude got drafted into the team with the reigning MVP, he did just get drafted to a great situation.

[@paulginsberg6942]

I love Bill Russel. Absolute bball royalty. Greatest winner ever. Better than MJ or Wilt. I think not. However if you want to win championships it's Bill Russel perhaps the most intelligent player ever.

[@slipprypurto]

Jordan was trash

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Playoff format Bill Russell/ Wilt Chamberlain era Division round (best of 7) Conference championship round (best of 7) Championship round (best of 7) MJ/Magic/Larry era Conference Quarterfinals (best of 5) Conference Semifinals (best of 7) Conference finals (best of 7) NBA Finals (best of 7)

[@sd.2528]

Kareem and Wilt, sure. Bill Russell? No. He was probably the best defender of all time (I'd say without question) but his offensive game was lacking. Lacking to the point he can't really be in the GOAT conversation.

[@anansi1641]

People r so quick to belittle Russell's offensive capabilities. They make the most outrageous claims about MJ'S productivity. He has the most scoring titles, the highest scoring avg. the greatest scorer ever, blah, blah, blah. Well, he also has the highest FGA at 26.5--more than Wilt. Wilt was shamed into reducing his scoring. U cannot be serious to believe that MJ was a better/more prolific scorer that Wilt or Kareem. I want u to drop ur bias for a moment. Think of how many people say that if the Bulls at their prime played Russell's Celtics at their prime (62-64), the BULLS would wipe them out, r something to that effect. We will never know for sure, but on paper the Celtics actually have the advantage--much more firepower, much better dribbling skills, ball control and protection. MJ was the only real firepower on the Bulls. Russell had Hondo, Sam Jones, and Heinsohm. Harper couldn't really dribble the ball well, much less beat the Celtics Full Court Press. MJ never played against someone his size, and the few times he did against Reggie Lewis, Lewis often blocked his shot at the release point. The Celtics had 6-61/2 Satch Sanders and 6-6-1/2 Hondo to defend him. Both of them much stronger than MJ's weak ass. If Satch could guard Elgin, whose dribbling ability and sheer strength was way above that of MJ's, y do u think he couldn't guard MJ. MJ and Bulls are clearly in new territory here. No, I didn't forget Rodman. Believe me, Heinsohm's (6-71/2, 220 LBS) responsibility is to screen Rodman off the Boards. Now back to Russell's offensive impotence. The tables r overwhelming in favor of Russell in a matchup against the Bulls 3rd rate, molasses slow stiff ass centers. Russell would run them into the ground, and, oh yes, dribble past them too. U r really silly if u think that in a series, Russell couldn't add 10-12 pts more a game to his avg. Another way of looking at this contest is to ask if the Bulls vs Celtics, could actually cover the Vegas spread. I would think u have enuf sense to realize that they wouldn't be able to cover it.

[@sd.2528]

@@anansi1641 I agree the Russell Celtics could likely beat the MJ Bulls but I'd still take MJ over Russell.

[@anansi1641]

@@sd.2528 I have no problem w ur choice. I will say though that i am disappointed that so many people think that Russell's actual player to player matchups were against scrubs. It's MJ who actually played against scrubs, most of whom were really dumb. I don't really like ball hogs (but I am not privy to his practices nor locker room--so he knows much more than me who will fold in crunch time). I really never liked his game but unlike most, I think his 1986 series vs Celtics was among the NBA's best ever. He proved to me that he could actually play PG at an elite level with discipline, showing more court awareness than many overhyped PGs. I was truly impressed that in the 63 pt game, 3-4 other Bulls were in dbl digits My personal opinion is that he is the G.O.A.T SG thru 2000--Absolutely without question.

[@JuanMartinez-kn2qs]

Michael was better, in ability. Russell was just tall.

[@mahirtalebsoderportgymnasi5160]

Are you dumb? Learn some about Russell and then talk.

[@kennylei7022]

I think so...Russell will destroy Jordan

[@kimpchannel2710]

Put them both on 2k and do the one on one game let's see who's the best

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

KIM P CHANNEL haha. If it would be that easy. There will always be multiple opinions on who’s the greatest and I’m afraid a game or two in 2k wont change that :)

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

KIM P CHANNEL Jordan>Russell

[@chefshadetree3972]

Jordan would get his ass handed to him

[@Baselinehangtime8]

It’s very simple Bill is a far greater defender and rebounder than MJ is a greater facilitator and scorer Bill is also greater at his position for he is more above the average in defense and rebounding and passing than MJ is at those things. All jordan has above the average at his position that’s a big gap over Russell is scoring compared to what’s average for each of their positions Bill transcends his position better then Mike too able to pass and defend like a guard more then MJ is Able to rebound and defend like a big Bill is also the greater leader and player in a tougher era by every stretch of the imagination. Bill is far better then Mike

[@kylemessineo8542]

Phil Jackson never said that you dope are you kidding me right now? Show me where Phil Jackson ever said he’d take Russell over Jordan please I’ll wait 😂. Russell was a beast, but He played against absolutely nobody but Wilt chamberlain., who also played against absolutely nobody.

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

Do I get a cookie now? :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3nTmYNultSbfNU

[@kylemessineo8542]

Phil’s a dope he also said he’d flip a coin for Kobe & Michael. He just says things

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

kyle Messineo Well. It’s his opinion :)

[@kylemessineo8542]

PRPLPRNCH he’s too much of a pussy to speak the truth, he doesn’t wanna hurt Kobe’s feeling & he wants ppl like you and myself talking about “did you hear what Phil said” 😂

[@stephatkinson8606]

Russell played against nobody? Wilt, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Bob Pettit, Wes Unseld, Jerry Lucas, Walt Bellamy??

[@irod13]

Your main argument is using their collective achievements and not individual performances. Basketball is a team sport, not individual. Not a single player deserves all credit for win or loses. Jordan is the greatest ever.

[@greatehien1398]

bill ruswell is not the goat he wasnt a 2 way player he was mostly a defensive player he averaged 15 points a game. he also lost in the nba finals will a stacked team jordan has never lost in nba finals. Case closed

[@kantenpayne7011]

Jordan lost in the first round tho

[@learn905]

bill russel is highly overrated. never scored more than 30 a game average 14ppg and basically dominated one side of the floor while his all star team teammates dominated the other he was a good played in a weak league with an over powered team mike played on a team with one 2 hall of famers one for the first 3 peat in a much better league skill wise and dominated. the lack of skilled players back in the 60s if mike was dropped into back then he scores 75 a game even on the shot blockers bc they wouldnt be able to contend his manuvering in mid air as it something that wasnt dont untill the 70s. russel trys to use the smaller teams to mean more skilled players but this is false. even an average player of the 80s and 90s was leagues above the skill of a good player in the 6os far more athletic stronger with workout specifically meant to enhance basketball production not to mention that more teams mean more travel more games to play a longer year this alot more unrest. bill russel is a sham who won on the back of other star players and is trying to eat into the fame of micheal jordan with nonsense claims.

[@conorbrokehisleg8904]

3 years 209 likes very little group believe this. Nice try.

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Jordan retires in 94 Chicago reaches to the Conference semifinals but loses to New York Russell retires in 70 Boston reaches to the Conference Finals but loses to New York

[@Slipknot5301]

the celtics went 34-48 in 1970

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

6x Champion (never lost)🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 6x Finals MVP (Record)🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 5x League MVP 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 10x led the league in points (record) 🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀 3x led the league in steals 🏀🏀🏀 1985 Rookie of the year 🏆 1988 Defensive Player of the year (200+blocks & 200+ steals)🏆 30 Points per game in his career (tied with Wilt Chamberlain) Dream Team 🇺🇸 🥇 1984 🇺🇸 🥇 63 points in a playoff game against the 86 Celtics (Best Team In the history of the NBA) [his 63 points in a postseason game remain an all time single game record] Highest point per game scoring average in playoffs history & he did all of that in a big man era (80s-90s) without a dominant big man/Center on his team Ultimate competitor Greatest player in the history of the NBA Three words: Michael Jeffery Jordan

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

Great points, hard to disagree. Bill Rusell has a great case as well though :)

[@naieuc]

lol I will only tell you two things 11 NBA Championship 5 Time MVP in ANY sports what only count is whether you win gold/championship or not whether individual sports or TEAM sports.............. You are so carried away by MEDIA HYPE...............

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Mahesvara [][][][] Obviously you’re so dumb Jordan could impact the game/team on offense & defense in his prime

[@naieuc]

@@dumisatonyjohnson8145 Obviously your much dumber than me................... 11>6

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Jonathan Cortes He’s not overrated As a matter of fact Jordan’s the best Shooting Guard in NBA history

[@millabasset1710]

Bill Russell is incredibly overrated. Played in a league full of scrubs.

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

At a time when he could get killed at any moment just because of his race...

[@millabasset1710]

@@PurplePrinceNBA why are you pulling the race card? I wasn't even racist. Is it possible Cedi Osman from the Cavaliers can beat him?

[@markallengarcia6695]

You can't penalize past players for playing in their time. It's like saying old films are no good because they didn't have digital technology to tell their stories. Besides, Russell was a proven winner long before the NBA. Back-to-back state champion, back-to-back NCAA champion, and the leading scorer and rebounder on the Olympic team. Played 10 game 7's in his NBA career and found a way to win them all. So it's not like the Celtics cakewalked to their rings; they earned them.

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

PRPLPRNCH Bill Russell wasn’t even better than Wilt Chamberlain Wilt out scored and out rebounded Bill in the same era Bill was a relatively mediocre scorer compared to Wilt Teams win championships not players by themselves

[@billthegoatrussell6608]

What about the watered down 90s with the expansion era Jordan played in?

[@masteroogway8453]

2 different eras. Like trying to compare apples to oranges

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

Maybe... :)

[@masteroogway8453]

Jeremy Leveille not really

[@karon-pw4yh]

But we can compare Lebron and Jordan?

[@freddytorres3609]

Bill Russell is not even in the top 50 palyers of all time in my book, he only ave 15ppg life time!! he is 146th i believe in the all time scoring list..Wilt dominated him, Bill didnt beat Wilt the celtics did!! Bill played with 7 hall of famers! he is wayyyy over rated Wilt can dominate still in todays game , bring Russell now 2018 nba and his 6'9" frame i bet he wont avg double figures in points

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

Scoring wasn't his thing. I'd like to see that book of yours. 11-time champion not in your top 50 :)

[@freddytorres3609]

@@PurplePrinceNBA He played with 7 hall of famers , 3 at one time...He had 11 rings cause of the team he had..when Russell retired there were only 12 teams in the NBA and at one point only 8 teams...what kind of championship is that?? OVER RATED!!

[@PurplePrinceNBA]

@@freddytorres3609 Not trying to say that your opinion is wrong, but take into account all the scrutiny he had the endure those years in Boston. When you didn't even know you could get home after the game. Plus, every time he faced Wilt when it really mattered, he did just enough for his team to win.

[@freddytorres3609]

@@PurplePrinceNBA Wilt grabbed an NBA record 55 rebounds against Russell head to head Wilt had better numbers...The Celtics had what u call the warriors right now with all the future hall of famers..Ill Take Dennis Rodman and put him in Russell era he will put up the same numbers or even better

[@naieuc]

@@freddytorres3609 because basketball is a team GAME............. not a one man show............ WILT is a one man SHOW that why he only have FEW rings............. MEDIA got into your HEAD............... FACT is FACT 11 RINGS is better than 6

[@momo4044]

You compared a center to a sg😂then said i would like to see jordan guard wilt??? You would never see that even if it was possible wilt plays the 5 and jordan plays the 2😂and bill russel was a good role player that's it he played on the best team out of 9 teams he wasn't even better than kareem or wilt yall casuals who never dribbled a basketball 🏀 say the dumbest things 😂

[@tw69hands2]

The real answer to whether Jordan could lead a team to a championship while playing on it is NO. He never did it. In fact, Jordan wasn't as successful in the front office as Bill Russell either.