Here's Why Gaming Mice Are So BORING (shocking)

[@ApacheMatte]

Boardzy 1v1 me.

[@boardzy]

Shocking

[@Loser-io8mx]

alright bet

[@Plaqueboycutie]

@@Loser-io8mxyou are NOT boardzy 😭

[@Mouthbreather777]

1v1 this guy

[@omegaPhix]

​@@boardzy Would be good content

[@Terra101]

Because these guys don't really know how to make a good shape, so they make a "safe" shape that fits no one and everyone. And at the same time they fuck up sensor positioning, which is crucial, making people perform even more shit without them knowing why, which is one reason why they keep swapping mice.

[@boardzy]

Based

[@Blu3Y1-]

And when people are swapping mice, they are using mice with different sensor position, which again weakens their performance.....It's a vicious circle.

[@fotoschopro1230]

People will only buy the safe shapes. If a mouse doesn't look and feel like a Superlight, people won't buy it.

[@RainyCreates]

@@fotoschopro1230 exactly. we love to say bad things about companies that play safe, but the market is really feral towards innovation. not to even mention how expensive it is to try something new, and very few people have the money or drive to try new things. breaks my heart remembering the LA1 situation. imagine being a small retailer like LGG trying to develop a mouse shape only to get stolen from by a bigger manufacturer.

[@chickencoopououwu2584]

A lot of smaller companies can't afford to experiment on shapes. It's no surprise that the best selling Chinese mice on Aliexpress are the various GPX clones. It sells. And for consumer this is a good thing, you gain access to 80%+ of the experience at a quarter of the big brands' prices. Ideally it's up to the big brands to innovate to gain an edge over the smaller brands' cheaper prices, but that's not happening since the average consumer knows nothing about the market and will keep gobbling up the overpriced garbage from mainstream brands.

[@jkteddy77]

1. RnD generic shape 2. Revision every 6 months 3. ??? 4. Profit.

[@cartonflesh9961]

they should just add a screen that plays family guy clips or something

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

& Charge $1000+ for it

[@cantti]

I have to appreciate the passion you've maintained in this niche for so long. There was a time when I fell deep into the gaming mouse rabbit hole, buying around 40 different mice over a couple of years. (I do regret that mania now). Eventually, I realized it’s all essentially the same. Everything has been technically good enough for quite a while now (1000hz, sub 80g, essentially flawless wireless performance). The only thing that remotely interests me anymore is when someone tries something bold with the shape or design. The traditional approach to mouse design has been done to death.

[@rexko2215]

its too shocking that i will not upgrade my x2v1 to v3

[@MasterFloop]

What am I doing with my life. I am watching a video about why mice are boring…

[@Lord_Mad_Dog]

im surprised the dock system isnt more widely implemented. 3950/3395 sensors and nordic mcus for 8k are getting more and more prevalent but since 8k uses so much more battery i would rather plop it on a dock when im not using it rather than plugging and unplugging a cable. ajazz, thunderobot and delux are the main people doing it and i hope that catches on. hotswap mechanical switches would be nice too if we arent getting raesha opticals (which are inherently hotswap) also the lack of classic shapes is disappointing. the amount of times i see someone wanting an intellimouse clone with modern tech and closer to weight is more than i thought i would ever see ngl edit: ajazz, not asrock

[@jokur7]

I mean, at some point, we're gonna hit a wall where every imaginable shape for a mouse already exists and is available to buy.

[@boardzy]

We are not anywhere near that point

[@DrizzIee]

@@boardzy How's that orbital pathfinder looking?

[@boardzy]

@@DrizzIee I'll talk about that as soon as I can

[@aohjii]

we're not even close to a wall, its because everybody is trying to fit themselves into a box, instead of exploring new potentials of what a mouse can be

[@Blu3Y1-]

@@aohjii Making safe stuff is somehow the best choice for companies if they want to make ez money, they're just not motivated to take risks to make a brand new shape...But it's good to see that there are still several brands coming up with new shapes. We NEED that kind of imagination and braveness.

[@ACEZA09]

that's so f*k true. clone after clone. Even seen some shape changes, it's hard to tell its really a design or just to avoid lawsuit.

[@RideTheSkies]

At this point, I agree. I've had experience with pretty much every shape and if there's a very slight difference, I really don't care anymore. I've found what are likely the best shapes for me. I have not tried egg shapes but will eventually give on a try. I could very much see myself not liking them so I'll probably get something off the Chinese market that is a clone. If I somehow end up loving it, I'll invest more in one.

[@MrDerpizoid]

I think a clear problem is that all the "safe"/good shapes are already being made so the only real direction a company can go is trying to compete with cheaper products/prices unless they want to risk possibly making a mouse with an unorthodox shape and not making as much money as a safe shape might

[@s1xvh]

They need to do an inverted mouse shape, with a low hump that gets highier on the clicks, when i put my beatsx mini and gpx in this position just for test, its the best grip i could ever imagine, i really don't know how any company has never thought of this yet.

[@glashausAimz2]

that would be an interesting design!

[@Evan-xs8ts]

Bad for you wrist.

[@casull2041]

i tried it, feels horrible lmao

[@s1xvh]

@@Evan-xs8ts how could?

[@s1xvh]

@@casull2041 its not for everyone

[@davshan8482]

After playing with dozens of mice, in the end I only kept the G502, GPro wired, G305, MX518 and G309. and sold the others, 600-700 bucks wasted

[@escapenguin]

Felt. Everything's been done and we're now at the point where everyone is either iterating or straight up copying each other. Hell, they're even copying the knockoffs. Same thing happened with keyboards.

[@Rezyow]

Updates on the Maya X, Did it dethrone the vv3p in terms of shape? And how is the build quality holding up, Tempted to grab one but now that the Pwnage Stormbreaker Max got announced not sure for which one to go for first.

[@boardzy]

I'll make an update on the maya and include comparisons with the gpx/vv3 pro. I should also be getting a review unit for the stormbreaker max, between that and the maya x it is just shape preference

[@shamgarruedas6217]

@boardzy get the titan 1 mouse from precision gaming gear. Pen holding like mouse. They sold out so u gotta find some connections.

[@danieldesouza8283]

Boardzy, i don't know if you see, but the xraypad release a new feet dot, jade air dots, do you think in do a video about ?

[@kevincampos766]

Actually so true. That’s why I bought the xtrfy M8 and M68 to see wassup with those.

[@axolost.]

i ask are you going to try lamzu paro?

[@MarlonS-fu6fc]

I really like G-wolves mouses, because of their innovative shapes. New G-wolves mouses use their main board as a support bridge for the case, witch make them lighter than the mainstream competition - and also more expensive..

[@FC2PV2]

Final verdict? Life is boring.

[@Funktapuss76]

The X2H V3 is the equivalent of what intel’s 11th gen was to 10th gen.. X2H mini was decent but Pulsar imo have the worst feeling opticals on the market, aren’t making strides for weight reduction and have a coating that somehow captures more grime than Zowie.. Hopefully the X3 is something special..

[@apt0913]

Really wish they would make more mice that have the Mionix Naos Pro shape or the mm720 shape. Those are by far the most comfortable mice I've ever used.

[@dennisalarcon9175]

This right here

[@glashausAimz2]

at this point the only interesting mouse in the foreseeable future will be the op1 4k for me. and if they won't get the weight down to 40g i don't even think it's worth the upgrade from the 8k... all the other mice just seem so generic or overpriced.

[@stonie8629]

i bought a op1 8k and called it a day

[@artzen1040]

Same here

[@digitalmontenegro]

I'm gonna wait for the XM2 Wired. OP1 8k is too small for my hands.

[@IIHydraII]

Loved mine initially but its just a bit too small for me sadly.

[@XangaS]

Boardy, I recently ordered an Incott G23 PRO mouse (same company that you reviewed in March last year). It is a slightly larger GPX-shaped mouse but with the options for hotswap. It looks kinda nice, especially with a better sensor (3950) and lighter (63g I believe). I would love to hear your thoughts on it if you ever get your hands on one (I think Mechkeys has it)

[@Aryzon13]

Gwolves drops 2 brand new "egg shape" mice and will soon launch a 27 gram full size mouse with solid shell and Carbon Beast got leaked not too long ago. Boardzy: "Why gaming mice are boring" Really?

[@ambasing69]

Me asf: got bored of keyboards, went to mice, got bored of mice, went back to keyboards

[@Speieds]

I want to buy a new mouse because my old viper v2 pro just died on me, i was thinking either the pulsar x2v2 mini or the scyrox v8. Any suggestions on which is a better purchase?

[@Gatrax]

I just ordered a Pulsar Xlite V3 as my Logitech G403 Hero is finally dying after many years of service and logitech has never really come out with that same chunky shape at a lower weight. only heavier mice. I dont want heavier I want lighter but I dont want a fingertip grip, I want something to fit comfortably in the pocket of my palm. And Razer has never really jumped out at me unfortunately as the pricing for what you get is usually not the best value for their mice in particular. Razer keyboards? fantastic. love em. their mice leaves alot to be desired imo Either you get overdesigned slop that just feels awful or you get under designed jack of all trades. There is nothing in the middle anymore

[@tipsy4989]

You know the video bouta hit when (shocking) is in the title

[@AverageJamaL170]

Our market doesn't have the latest designs of razer v3, gpx, 3950 sensored mouses, etc. Just the older versions of everything.

[@boardzy]

Which country?

[@AverageJamaL170]

@@boardzy Bangladesh, on the east of india, its hard to ship in products, and amazon is most likely unavailable.

[@hwi7114]

The X2H shape is peak, I'm glad they didn't fuck with it. Only thing I would have wanted them to change is the switches, some nice Japanese Omrons would have been nice. That being said, I don't think their switches are bad.

[@sriniketansubbu9978]

i saw that the vxe r1 pro has some issues is it actually worth buying or you recommend some other mouse? for now

[@rohitgarla9129]

How would you compare Waizowl v2 pro, superlight dex and Razer hyperspeed in terms of coating and battery life.

[@LUGRable]

ATK mouse pad on the desk?

[@rhyvehr]

Step 1: Golden ratio of the human hand Step 2: GPX hits it. Step 3: Mouse development is a fringe scene that's already solved

[@shapeshifter7676]

Most of us are not reviewers... I buy a mouse and use it for years. I want reliability, performance and the shape I'm used to, I don't want new shapes every day. I had Rival 300 for 5 years and then got a Razer Viper Ultimate in 2020 cuz I wanted something light and wireless, I'm still using it and I probably will buy a newer version of it when it stops working or maybe G Pro X, cuz it's similar shaped and even lighter...

[@emoRR-osu]

Start making more videos about every mouse you get or at least a first impression vid

[@boardzy]

Yeah I could put out a quick vid for mice I dont care about

[@cosmo8771]

@@boardzy more vids i imagine means more ad revenue thats how people become billionaires

[@emoRR-osu]

@@boardzy thx

[@Yearellu]

Is it worth to buy the op1 8k over the Scyrox v8 ?

[@benjaminmichaels1759]

Try the Dream Machines DM8 mini pro, seems right up your alley.

[@strongpassword4827]

spec wise is the sora v2 or scyrox v8 better? planning to buy one and dont know much abt specs

[@zullyfnbr]

i heard the logitech has 8k polling now after u update the software

[@Prxme-w2v]

Can we do a setup tour?

[@skelpie]

Yo which one is the neon yellow mouse, that looks like a shape I'd really like

[@boardzy]

Scyrox v8

[@t3floz]

Yes its just clones etc but what kind of shapes would get you exited? Just curious

[@FARE5252]

What do you reccomend more, a superlight 2 or a Viper V2 pro in terms of long term usage (dont want it to stop working or become defect in the first 2 years atleast ). Would go for DA V3 Pro but its not ambidex and cant go and try it anywhere in my country.

[@mamisCS]

Gpx2 or vv3pro or maya x? What's your pick?

[@Krysdadej]

but when shroud g303 come out we all cry

[@ChrisXenidis-zu1pu]

Which mouse pad should I buy ( apex pro tkl v3 pro)

[@Fesititi]

Considering most people just get one mouse and are done with it I don't think the state of the mouse market is an issue.

[@boardzy]

Most people sure, but a large portion of my viewers have multiple mice

[@TheRealLobstar]

Is ur fav still the viper pro 3?

[@boardzy]

Yeah its still my #1 pick

[@LhynkalTheFool]

Give us different shapes, textures, more side buttons, better software, skates or at the very least make them cheaper. No reason to upgrade if you've bought a mouse within the past ~3 years

[@ergo4028]

random question what scale do you use to weigh your mice (i hope the answer is shocking)

[@SamiAhmed-ru4ci]

Laughs in Zowie U2

[@MicrowaveLocking]

Razer Viper v2 pro or attack shark r3?

[@AceOfficial]

wait did the Z1 get an update?

[@SoupPot]

Does the 3950 add anything if they don't come with an 8k dongle?

[@tuetthai6077]

the market is so saturated that we are getting at least 5 mice reviewed in 1 vid now, 69 when?

[@kyl09]

scyrox v8 opinion from a budget comparison?

[@lang5317]

give me a suggestion for mouse on 50-100$ range please

[@wilazn]

8k polling isnt even worth it. its a cash grab gimmick. Optimmum did a test and the sweet spot is 2k. anything over that the latency decrease is minimal vs the battery drain.

[@MISBHV9]

These mice look so boring to me, that's why I upgraded from g502 to beast x max. Only mice that stick out to me

[@petermadach]

the only clone I want but they refuse to make is the G303 OG (not shroud ed) :(

[@boardzy]

China refuses to clone the g303 and za13 for some reason

[@esozilx1930]

Can u tell me which budget mouse to get I’m really confused I only play Fortnite

[@ryozaki96]

Companies are copying each other and are afraid of making something "creative".

[@17pdietcoke59]

Well beloeve it or not but hands on average are shaped the exact same with different flab and mice makers want money and they have to pretend they dont want to make the suoer light despite it being the best for all users

[@hankstorm3135]

not to mention the prices doubled

[@kalor_2296]

Shocking that you dont check and compare the latency of theses mice 😢

[@smokeholm1925]

ogm v2 or xtrfy m64?

[@Rokemikal]

havent used anything since buying my xe wireless a year and a half ago

[@TheShmrsh]

I don't get why don't they put at least 4 side buttons

[@VCM5]

the DAV3 Hyperspeed might actually be the TRUE mouse of the year 😱

[@joshdeconcentrated2674]

I'm actually kinda loving gaming mice right now, we're getting to a point where you can get whatever shape you want at super low prices and still really good quality from china. It's so freeing to be able to try a boatload of good enough mice with popular and well known shapes without needing to spend a fortune, it almost feels like that old zowie mouse package thing. We may not have insane innovation, but when it comes to newer people to the mouse scene trying to find decent mice and try out a bunch of stuff, the barrier of entry has never been lower.

[@lostboy2637]

Z1 Pro has bluetooth now

[@kasify5492]

Boardzy can I get a mouse, I'm a broke highschooler who doesn't have a good mouse for the games I play. I'm not picky literally anything is fine. I know you'll like 99% won't even read this but you know its worth a try. Anyways, love the vids!

[@swim5alive710]

Boardzy where Zowie FK, ZA, and S series Wireless?😩

[@KFC-Warrior]

Mice are reaching their functional peak that's it.

[@emaadkhan7049]

ive got a darmoshark m3 and the switches are very bad but i like it in general a good budget option

[@skrumpf6960]

big mouse when?

[@skrumpf6960]

is waizowl cloud the ~biggest ambi?

[@YngHstlr]

shocking news 😲

[@auroraflash]

As shocking as expected

[@kepler180]

Yo Boardzy you should review garbage office mice and see if you can get a diamond score on them

[@Alex-bl8uh]

We need superlight 3

[@Haru_no_ki]

No good new mouse for people that doesn't have ant hands?

[@MrThaigamer]

Conclusion Shape is KING

[@McBozo966]

shocking

[@TotallyNotBepsi]

edging to this ❤

[@kxiii9063]

I was shookt.

[@rat.1]

just remake the WMO with side buttons

[@dutch_martyr]

Totally shocking!

[@pisti5548]

Best ergo mouse under 100€ ?

[@boardzy]

Waizowl OGM v2, pulsar xlite v3, lamzu thorn are all solid light options that should be under that price at maxgaming

[@pisti5548]

@@boardzy thanks, i love you.

[@Mitch_B]

my opinion on this later

[@isbuttery]

Honestly idk why the atk f1 ultra isn’t mentioned? 80-90$, 39g, comes with 8k dongle out of box, decent-ish build quality, fairly safe small shape. It kind of hits every metric, so I wanna know what it falls short of

[@VeekkuP]

g-wolves shall save us

[@irantugg]

SHOCKED

[@mikerzisu9508]

Where is the x2h mini v3 and the x2v3 mini?

[@boardzy]

The standard size x2h was ready first, I think I'll get those in a few weeks

[@bahtszkedi8793]

8000 KHZ SUPERLIGHT 2 BABY LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@thawzie]

agreed