Here's Why We Need A Venus Exploration Program

[@Zuringa]

2 great points he brought up. Venus is the only Earth size planet we'll be able to visit for thousands of years, and it's not so much what happened to Venus, but why it didn't happen to Earth. I'm all for Venus missions.

[@Mr.Anders0n_]

It's obvious. Mars and Venus are fraternal twins. Earth went to college, got a job, got married and had children. Venus stayed in mom and dad's basement and he soured over time with envy. What else do you wish to know? Dark energy?

[@jimmirow]

I'm a 13 month newbie in this stuff but Im hoping there's an accessible exoplanet beyond your statistic or within range rather

[@jimmirow]

​@@Mr.Anders0n_yes,lol! In fact I do have a question. Why call a black hole a black hole when it's not a black whole?

[@deltalima6703]

Unless travelling around in the middle of nothing is fun, like a forever cruise ship trip, then there is no chance of visiting anywhere. Its all too far.

[@Fromatic]

​@@deltalima6703 but "visit" includes sending probes, possible but still the idea of results not coming back for thousands of years will probably limit the enthusiasm, but needs to be done once we have telescopes that can really find and categorise those with the best potential for life, imagine that day for those people thousands of years in the future when they start getting close up images and data about those planets from within those systems. If those probes did find another earth then all of a sudden the idea of sending people does become appealing, maybe by then we have the tech to effectively put people on "pause" for the journey to wake up when they arrive

[@austinsapp5867]

I love interviews with Paul. His energy and excitement over Venus is absolutely infectious! We have so much to learn from our closest neighbor.

[@danman6431]

Good to see Dr Paul Byrne again we need him with you on a podcast I could listen to you guys for hours!

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Not with his crappy laptop mic. Sound was bad.

[@astormofwrenches5555]

Really bad. Couldnt make it very far into this.

[@martythemartian99]

I was hoping to see David Byrne again, but I guess we can only expect him... once in a life time.🤣🤣🤣

[@user-x4u6l]

I couldn't understand half of what he was saying, he was stumbling all over his words

[@humanhiveanomaly]

A good excuse to bring back the rigid air-ship

[@DanielVerberne]

Agreed. Trying to remember the altitude it was suggested such a craft could 'float' at.... maybe 50-60kms up in Venus cloud banks? I think temperatures at the suggested altitude would be pretty warm/hot, no oxygen of course but I think the pressure was supposed to be roughly Iike here on Earth at the target altitude. Can't recall whether acidic clouds were a thing at that height though.... either way, sounds like a pretty cool scientific research base.

[@cavetroll666]

thanks for the content salute from Ontario.

[@frasercain]

Back at you from BC. :-)

[@DanielVerberne]

Love this episode! Dr Byrne is really engaging and exciting to listen to. Wonderful guest, thank you Fraser.

[@andrewbailey1057]

Maybe Ireland and Canada can get together and fund the missions to Venus.

[@Peeter-c1n]

That is a brilliant idea I think today more not less space collaboration is the way forward in some areas. ☘🚀

[@Mr.Anders0n_]

Right now, we 🇨🇦 are busy with the orange Humpty Dumpty wrecking our economy. Unfortunately, I don't think people would have the appetite for an expensive space mission

[@deltalima6703]

Making a cool $125 billion from taxing anyone that supports those americans. Canada is not going to give any of it to NASA though. Maybe when china gets something going to venus Canada can support them.

[@jackturner8472]

@@Mr.Anders0n_lmfao how blind are you

[@Mr.Anders0n_]

@jackturner8472 👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️

[@jimmirow]

Another great interview Fraser. Your doin so good buddy. Appreciative from the mid west

[@gaelicpatriot3604]

I had a commission done for an ExoPlaSim climate simulation of Venus if it were habitable in the past. Basically, Aphrodite Terra ends up resembling Manchuria, with a hot-wet day and cool-dry night. Other, smaller landmasses have more moderate subtropical climates with dry nights. The polar continents like Ishtar Terra become dry temperate deserts. I think all of this is because Venus’ slow rotation and weak Coriolis effect leads to a wide hadley cell and convection being drawn inland.

[@DanielVerberne]

Hello sir/madam, what is ExoPlaSim? Would love to learn more about modelling of planets/atmospheres in general.

[@gaelicpatriot3604]

@@DanielVerberne worldbuildingpasta.blogspot.com/2021/11/an-apple-pie-from-scratch-part-vi.html

[@P5ychoFox]

It’s cruel that Venus has the largest surface area of dry land for light years and we can’t go there.

[@stemull-SNR]

Exccellent interview mate 10/10

[@frgv4060]

Couldn’t agree more. Venus is too peculiar to be so ignored. Even the extra challenge makes it worthier. We may learn a lot on how to build sturdy and reliable probes at the very least… with all the transversal tech benefits it may bring.

[@grantc61]

It would make more sense for this viewer if you talked about what the programs involve, and what would be the expected data, than how much it's expected to cost. I kept waiting to hear about the science we could learn, and not about the history of space programs. Please, sell the benefits rather than discussing important yet subsidiary issues.

[@Celtic_Thylacine]

As an Irish kid growing up in another country, I had to learn to slow down my speech to be understood. I doesn't seem like Dr. Byrne has had to do that.

[@Anonymous-m9f9j]

Listening on 2x and he sounds fine very clearly spoken, I thought.

[@DanielVerberne]

Is your accent as strong as Ruairi McSorley? Had you ever gotten 'frostbit'?!

[@Celtic_Thylacine]

@@DanielVerberne Ha ha. No. I've a terrible hybrid accent. Little bit Louth, little bit Dublin, little bit Aussie.

[@majorzipf8947]

I had no problem understanding him. Yeah he’s talking fast but I didn’t have any more trouble understanding him than I would an American speaking that quickly.

[@dtrellis]

He has a fairly mild Irish accent, it's not a thick brogue or anything

[@Steelninja77]

It's just our luck that Venus turned out to be totally inhospitable to life. Could have been so much more useful if it turned out to be another earth analogue.

[@DanielVerberne]

Yeah, I hear you. So much of the quest to find out if we're alone or not in the Universe hinges on finding just ONE MORE example of an Earth-like planet, so that we can begin to unpick whether life is a fluke, whether EARTH is a fluke, whether Earth coupled with it's Moon is a fluke, whether Earth with it's Moon and giant Jupiter is a fluke, the list goes on.

[@ChinnuWoW]

Maybe it WAS hospitable at some point until a huge asteroid hit it?

[@goyya888]

Excellent interview

[@FirstNameLastName-okayyoutube]

i seen the idea of a balloon human research platform and I'm sold on the idea

[@johnjaw19]

Good interview and ideas

[@cocoblaze10]

There is absolutely not reason why nasa’s annual budget shouldn’t be at least 100 billion.

[@carpenter3069]

My 83-meter radius sphere, (hurry up Starship) floating at 50 km in Venus's atmosphere, could theoretically weigh an incredible amount - around 50,000 metric tons - and still remain buoyant. (Temp approx. 30 degrees C.) This highlights the remarkable density of Venus's atmosphere at that altitude.

[@WillB-lv1xg]

Here in Pennsylvania last night I saw what I thought was a satellite but I heard it was venus! Visible with the naked eye right next to the moon. Did anyone else see it?

[@roberttucker805]

@@WillB-lv1xg It was clearly visible here in Sussex, England. I drove to the top of the south downs to get away from light pollution to get a better view. Saturn was also just visible below the moon. I wish I could find my binoculars! Quite amazing to think we saw the same thing yet we're three thousand miles away.

[@ezion67]

Could micro scale vacuum tube technology be used in stead of transistors for high temperature applications? Is there any research ongoing in this direction?

[@mknochel]

If the phosphine is from life, could that life be bacterial contamination from the Venera missions?

[@doug29661]

Hey Fraser - you do not make it clear in your intro that Dr Byrne is from Wash U in St. Louis Missouri - and not from any university up by you in washington state nor george washington university way back in DC.

[@ericfielding2540]

In the planetary science field, the Washington University is almost always the one in Saint Louis, but it could be clarified.

[@IrishWhiskeyisLife]

Northwest bias. Wait. Southwest? We (go Canucks!) are in Canada 😂

[@ericfielding2540]

@@IrishWhiskeyisLife You might have heard about the other university in the USA that is called "Northwestern University" that is just outside of Chicago. It was started in 1851, when that area was as far west as most of the European population the USA went.

[@IrishWhiskeyisLife]

@@ericfielding2540 ah. Perspective’s a bitch. lol Or is that relative?

[@eldrago19]

I'd rather have an exploration programme for Ceres or Europa or Titan. Somewhere likely to support life.

[@DanielVerberne]

Have to say I agree. Venus is important if we are to understand the paths that terrestrial planets can take in their evolution, but you're right, if we're still adhering to 'follow the water', then for me it's either Enceledus (I want to park near those plume vents!), Europa or right, perhaps Ceres. For me it really depends on how accessible liquid water is to the surface and whether we could reasonably have a remote exploration device carry enough power for movement, exploration, doing science and sensing and of course, offer a decent rate of data return to Earth. Might be very challenging to maintain signals when immersed in near-freezing waters buried beneath what could be several kilometres of ice on a world many millions of kilometres distant. #OuterPlanetsInternetNow

[@hughlawson1051]

I have never heard anyone talk about terraforming Venus. Finding the right microbes with the right appetites might be able to sequester all the undesirable gasses down to the surface as solids.

[@sheariley1910]

I may be wrong, but I would think that Venus would be too hot and inhospitable to any life form that we know of. Even the extremophiles that we've discovered at volcanic vents on the ocean floor or geysers on land have water to keep them cool. They won't have that on Venus.

[@zapfanzapfan]

So, no longer advocating pushing Venus into the sun? 🙂 I want a lander to the tessera terrain to see if they are part of an older surface.

[@DanielVerberne]

Fraser, do stellar remnants offer habitable zones for any objects in orbit around them? Or, might some remnants simply offer no positive attributes to worlds orbiting them, regardless of the distance of that orbit? I'd imagine that magnetars or pulsars could pose serious radiation dangers for any object orbiting them up close - and then we'd have to wonder at how a body could end up orbiting a remnant that previously exploded. It would seem that any such object would already have endured punishing energies and perhaps had any atmosphere scoured away back when it's parent neighbour went through its death throes.

[@GjrSmith]

How was the potential of phosphine not discussed?

[@gyrateful]

Learning about Venus' charged ionosphere is in my opinion an important question. Another question I have, if Venus had a moon, did it lose it lose it do to a resonance with Earth's gravity?

[@alain5916]

Happened a few years ago to a mate it was hilarious... 😂

[@JohnWeisenfeld]

At 29 minutes, I think Dr Byrne said “well there are ‘moonshot’ missions to Uranus or Neptune”. I think we need a new ____shot term if getting people to the moon is normalized and routine. Marsshot? Venusshot?

[@Fromatic]

How about deepshot, as that could mean anything that's difficult or considered far to get to, which will change over time right up to missions beyond the solar system

[@Kemacat]

As an Irish person his name is "Paul Bi-Run". Irish has different pronunciation.

[@DanielVerberne]

Cool! Although, begs the question of how a Irish speaker differentiates 'Byrne' from 'Byron'.

[@Celtic_Thylacine]

​@DanielVerberne As a different Irish person I have never heard Byrne pronounced like that. Ever. It's pronounced exactly the way most people think it is, just like "Burn".

[@DanielVerberne]

@@Celtic_Thylacine That's my understanding too, although I'm Australian. Interestingly, my surname has the 'burn' sound in it, preceded by 'ver', of course, but that's of Dutch origin.

[@neoforce0]

There's the NASA GEER program that are researching materials with a Venus habitat and then test out engineered stuff

[@opinionrat]

Zeppelins on Venus now!😡

[@davidmcsween]

Not wanting to be political but you could probably sadly convince the current administration of this with some 1940s era photos

[@opinionrat]

@ how political of you

[@astormofwrenches5555]

​@@davidmcsween ridiculous

[@UnknownUser-rb9pd]

I suspect in the current climate (pun intended) it would be better from a funding perspective, to concentrate on the long term money making potential from Venus rather than the global warming science

[@martythemartian99]

This opinion will upset people, I feel quite sure. Forget Venus, forget Mars, Europa, etc, etc, etc. Concentrate on one thing at a time, and do it well. For example, we now have many private companies taking over launch services, and they will soon take over providing LEO research venues (space stations). So NASA, ESA, JAXA, etc should concentrate almost all their efforts on Earths Moon. Build a base. Extend the base. Extract resources and refine them, constructing components for use off Earth. Expand out to lunar orbit, catch and mine asteroids using methods developed from the lunar base. Then start constructing space station and space ship components both on the Moon and in lunar orbit. I believe this will slow research within the solar system only for a decade or two, but then we will quickly shoot past the level of space science and engineering we would achieve by staying with our current method of dribbling resources in too many directions at once, often causing waste by cancelling programs before they achieve all they can. (I look forward to any replies, but please be kind as you tell me I'm wrong)😊

[@DanielVerberne]

Fascinating idea. I'd LOVE to live to see humanity actually build stuff in space, rather than just lifting pre-fabs out of the gravity well. I'll be excited by the first sign of welding torches, wielded by humans or robots. I'd love to see robotic construction extrude all manner of construction parts, beams, rods, wiring, etc IN space itself. While I'm a little wary of the commercialisation of space resources, I do find it exciting to learn when we might first start extracting materials or ores from asteroids or the surface of the Moon. I'm ignorant as to the economics of it, but I'd imagine you'd mostly want to utilise any in-situ resources in space rather than bring stuff back to Earth where one could crash a market due to glut. As a sci-fi fan, I'm excited by achievements made in space that might act as triggers to usher in a new era, to change the paradigm around what it means to escape our gravity well and the possibilities when we're up there. As climate change continues to make itself felt on Earth, maybe the discovery that we CAN do some industry in space in a productive manner will cause a paradigm shift, allowing us to use the Moon or asteroids as our 'service worlds' for the dirty activities we no longer want to despoil Earth with.

[@BestBFam]

Yes!!!

[@kamilZ2]

39:15 We do know what the Venus ground is made of: atoms that we know. We do not know what the dark matter is made of.

[@thec3llc]

NASA should purchase a starship for every planet and POI we want to explore in the solar system. Outfit then with a full sweet of various instruments and go.

[@voltaire3001]

🚀 STEP 1: a good sized Larry Niven shadow square . . .

[@Spartacus547]

All for it then I could live out my 1980s dream of being a a fry cook on Venus next to Ferris bueller

[@heavykev42]

I just figured out how to terraform Venus

[@DanielVerberne]

Thanks for not leaving us in suspense as to your solution.

[@AvyScottandFlower]

#TeamVenus

[@nomadicsynth]

Anyone wanna start the "International Venus Society" and crowdfund this stuff?

[@DanielVerberne]

huh. Not a silly idea. Got to start somewhere!

[@adamredwine774]

I love Mars stuff but Venus is quite underappreciated. Also... I want the same sort of thing for Mercury; the least loved planet of all.

[@DickyChap]

It turns too slowly to be an Earth 2.0, though I think we should colonise both Venus and Mars with appropriate cooling/warming.

[@jpjh8844]

Why? We all know Venus won't be habitable for over a thousand or over a million years from now? Who do you want to pay for this?

[@Fromatic]

Knowledge and understanding, and then using that knowledge and understanding to help understand what might be happening on exo planets, and as the guest in this video mentions ultimately help us gauge if those planets could potentially have life. When it comes to the planets, especially one as wildly different but with what seems like such similar starting conditions to earth, all the knowledge we can get can be useful and who knows what unexpected things will also come out of it

[@Steelninja77]

Wether we have the moral right to colonise mars. There's no one there. Who's going to frown upon it. The galactic Senate of planets. Lol. There is none. Morals don't come into it. If morals came into it there wouldn't be space junk floating everywhere and crashed probes all the place lol.

[@TrevyBurgess]

You can fly a hydrogen-filled balloon. With no oxygen atmosphere, hydrogen is perfectly safe. And you can easily refill it.

[@Pisti846]

It would be so great if they could build a rover that could survive long term on Venus.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

A hamster in a steel ball?

[@Music--ng8cd]

A Brief History of Exploring Venus kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmaXpoN9o9qbd9k

[@DanielVerberne]

The Primal Space KZbin Channel's "Surviving Venus in the 1970s" is also a good watch, as is the episode on terrestrial planets from the BBC"s "The Planets" from way back in 1999, featuring David Grinspoon and an excellent summary of the extraordinary efforts by the Soviets to get the Venera craft to the Venusian surface. Those soviet engineers deserve huge kudos for what they achieved back then.

[@mattwuk]

Men are for Mars, women are for Venus 😂

[@leotka]

So if you go to Mars, you will not get any woman!

[@LaurentLaborde]

Rover on venus ? that's bold.

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

Animal cruelty.

[@Celtic_Thylacine]

A boulder with a skid on it?

[@andreypopov6958]

Why you can’t choose a small asteroid so that you can make an observatory or outpost there and put the engines to control this if there is not enough money to master other planets. Otherwise, make the avantists on all possible stony planets starting from Mercury!

[@davidguy209]

Maybe NASA should concentrate solely on the solar system, and leave extra-solar stuff to Europe and Japan... India and China are their own thing

[@Srfingfreak]

I feel like pockets of supercritical CO2 in large quantities might be industrially useful...

[@DanielVerberne]

Would that CO2 be useful? Some say it would be critical, perhaps even super-critical. Sorry, silly joke.

[@greggweber9967]

I wouldn't breathe the atmosphere while standing on the surface.

[@TheIrieman15]

You'd get crushed before reaching the surface. lol

[@DanielVerberne]

From what I've read, any attempt to 'walk' on Venus surface would be much more akin to SCUBA diving, albeit if that SCUBA diving were performed within the plumes of an active hydrothermal vent.

[@AlbertoMontesSoto]

VXP Mission

[@CaliforniaBushman]

Isn't Venus closer & more accessible than Mars? Especially the Upper Atmosphere.

[@jc441-i3q]

It depends on the positions of Earth/Mars/Venus but on average, yes it's closer.

[@Music--ng8cd]

Closer, but definitely not more accessible: A Brief History of Exploring Venus kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmaXpoN9o9qbd9k

[@chat-gpt-bot]

This entire talk is a vitriolic plea from a Venus subject expert to fund Venus science, i.e his own pocket and career. The point of what's cool about Venus is lost in the heaps of "but I would be so happy to get more money".

[@TheIrieman15]

Don't waste money on Venus go to Uranus or Neptune, please.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Tell him to buy a decent microphone 🤬

[@astormofwrenches5555]

It sounds like hes using an old coffee can

[@tactileslut]

We've heard worse. At least he's clear, even when sped up a bit.

[@JMOUC265]

From my working days, a lot of people on conference calls would sit back in their chairs and try to communicate using a speaker phone. I suspect that a lot of the interviewed experts are doing the same thing. Audio quality suffers because of it. It’s up to Mr. Cain to control that aspect. The success rate seems to be improving, but it has a way to go, in my opinion.

[@ChinnuWoW]

At least he speaks good and fast unlike others.

[@PrincessTS01]

change the name of the program to Trump's exploration of Venus

[@Music--ng8cd]

Change the name of Venus to Ivanka and we'll be there in no time.

[@ericfielding2540]

The new Administration seems to be only listening to Elon who only wants to get people to Mars.

[@tompava3923]

One of the issues with space exploration you are always going on about, solar radiation. Venus is closer to the sun and using the regolith for shielding is not an option. I fear your head is lost in the clouds.✌😎

[@revmsj]

TRL=Technology Ready for Launch??🤔