Here We Go Again….Engine Problems!

Here we go again, good grief I can’t catch a break! I have had a good run of bad luck with this 4.7 Stroker and I explain it all in this video.

[@mudpro200]

A true story that's funny is a friend of mine had constant problems with a tractor he purchased new and this tractor company was giving him the run around with their warranty, so he got a booth near the front entrance of a big farm and agriculture show and had his tractor in the booth with 300 lemons on top of it. You would not believe how fast his phone started ringing if I told you. Made in the USA used to mean something and you now have products from China that is better.

[@kansaspatriot2051]

Ugh! I feel ya brother! You hit the nail on the head. Customer Service and Quality are superpowers that no longer exist. Anymore, I just go through everything when I buy parts because I don't trust ANY manufacturer to do a good job. Hope it all gets straightened out and use this as a learning experience. Keep Jeepin and God Bless!

[@willymccoy3427]

Thanks for sharing. I've been following a bit as I'm thinking of putting a stroker in my otherwise stock daily driver 05 LJ. I'd already ruled out the Edelbrock head as I'm wanting to keep the engine cast iron as much as I can. At this point, I'm thinking to just build my own stroker. I'm a retired diesel mechanic so building engines are nothing new for me. Edited to add. I want applaud you for getting the word out on companies that are showing a decided lack of quality control or willingness to QC or stand behind their products. I used to think a lot of Edelbrock products, but apparently they are no longer the company that they used to be. I think too many companies watch us buy chinesium junk and figure they can they can use the same business model.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Yeah if I had to do it over, I’d do it all myself. Edelbrock as a whole is probably still a good company, but just like everywhere else, they are more concerned about getting product out than giving quality products.

[@ItchyBurrito]

Thank you. I was about to buy the same head and definitely won't be doing that now because those issues are important to me too. We need to stand together against the big corporate companies that don't care about us.

[@chuckisbusy]

I feel for you buddy.. please keep us updated on how it turns out. I want to know, bcus I’m learning a lot from your videos.

[@RANDOMNATION907]

Exactly, share it with us so we can all learn.

[@bigshowleadfoot6707]

Sorry about the problems that you are having, but thank you for sharing your problems. So that we have an idea of things to keep a look out for with our projects....

[@frederickshipp8013]

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with your aluminum head with us. That should make people think twice about buying their products.

[@cbreced1]

Oh man I really feel for you. Found you by looking for info on these stroker engines. I have an '05 with 138k miles and it's running great. But is kind of a dog running up inclines. It's my rock crawler. I'm on 35x12.50-15 and 5.13 gearing. Crawls great and runs great. Just want more power for when I drive it to the trails rather than tow it. My thought is to go with a chevy short block 350 or something similar. But the drop in aspect of a 4.6L from Golen is tempting. Buuuuut, what made me comment is what you're going through. I'm 63 and over the past few years I've come to the realization that you Rarely get good quality or service, in Anything. It didn't used to be like this. But anything I buy, or any service I need, I just know nothing will go right. General public just don't give a darn about what they do. No respect for a job well done. It's a damn shame.

[@mudpro200]

I'm in the same boat with you that everything with my stock Jeep engine is fine, I just would like a little more power. It's is a shame that made in the USA use to mean something as well as hand shake between men did as well. Today some USA products are worse than China products and you have businesses now that brag about getting over on some one instead of having a conscience about how they feel as a man or company with integrity and being able to walk with their head high. I have no idea what direction to go with an engine in fear of choosing the wrong company to do busyness with. It's just crazy anymore.

[@koba2348]

I just spent $7000 and tax replacing my 97 TJ 4.0 with a Jasper engine and it's been great so far. One thing I was very unhappy with is that the upper half wasn't rebuilt. ....$7000.00 guys...

[@andrewsmith125]

I know how you feel my friend, your doing a good service by letting us all know, that's just the unfortunate reality of the world we live in today. Keep your boots on, stay in the fight and keep moving forward !

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Much appreciated

[@1598hi]

Thanks for sharing this. We spend good money one rebuilt engines to get the factory reliability. Anything less is unacceptable. Its a lot of money and work to do this job and its really great youre helping save others these headaches

[@vagabond4621]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I was actually considering building an engine comparable to what you have, and using the parts you have used. I think I'll pass on that project for the time being. Good luck!

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

It can all still be done correctly, but if I had to do it over again, I’d build it all myself and that way I could double and triple check it all.

[@joncosmos8420]

Thanks for sharing! I was thinking about going the stroker route, but after all the problems you've had I think I'll pass. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head about all the crap Jeep parts being pushed as performance upgrades. Sorry you had to go through this.

[@02WJ]

"Thanks for the video. I'm in the process of building a Stroker for my WJ and I was considering getting the Edelbrock head instead of port-matching a stock head. However, I think I will stick with port matching at this point. S&J seems to be a bunch of D-bags. I contacted them when I started trying to figure out casting numbers to build a Stroker motor with the 4.2 crank and my block since my block was supposed to have better casting. But they told me to stop wasting their time and buy their motor. I'm glad I haven't. This is one of the companies I found that seem to be pretty decent, especially if you're just asking questions. He holds the current record for the highest output on a 4.7 Turbo motor: Newcomer Racing."

[@jordansteinkirchner3215]

Thanks for sharing your real life experience with your investment into this stroker 4.0. You have reassured me that an LS swapping is what I need to do in my Jeep.

[@cmajaa1]

What I've experienced and other people I know as well, is since covid, quality control has suffered across the board.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Absolutely

[@marcosjcr]

Agreed. I paid top dollars for a Golen engine because I didn’t want to deal with problems down the road. Well guess what. I got a ticking lifters that’s driving me crazy and still waiting for a response from Chad Golen to resolve this issue. Either way looks like Im going to have to fix it myself as well. Bummer

[@thecomedian4967]

What was the resolution to the ticking in your engine? Was it resolved?... I've got a new Golen in my Jeep with some ticking also. Chad said it was normal for his 4.6 strokers.

[@marcosjcr]

@@thecomedian4967 started using different types of oil… liqui-moly seems to work best. Comes and goes now but not gone completely. I’m looking in to and LS swap and sell this engine. As far as Chad he just said to use thicker oil 😒

[@thecomedian4967]

@@marcosjcr He told me it was the cam and it was par for the course... hopefully he is right Good luck

[@Chr13t1ansen]

stay frosty brother, I had a similar experience with a engine from a different company..did get redone..

[@MalarkeyTaylor]

I feel ya on the quality control bit and customer support. But Sadly I think you made a mistake going with the Aluminum head, Aluminum heads on a Cast Iron block just don't have good track record IMHO. I think you'd have better gone and got a 0630 or 7120 head and have a machine shop port it. You'd have as good or better performance, and far less issues with expansion problems... Which is what happened there, and I think you'll do yourself some favors to check those plugs often. The aluminum will expand at a much higher rate than the steel plugs and I'd be surprised to find ANY sealant that keeps the water and oil from mixing with enough heat cycles. (this is all basically conjecture since I have not run the aluminum heads on a 4.0l just seems to me like a bad idea) Find a good local machine shop or hot rod shop and get a 7120 or 0630 ported and polished, have some one Tig on some coil pack holders and call it a day. :-P Hope I'm wrong and you have years of great wheeling with your fresh motor and top end!...

[@jasonrose6562]

I wonder if a regular 4.0 reman would have been easier for a drop-in-and-drive solution?

[@tobiasa3416]

Totally understand you. But hang in there. It’s a nice looking Jeep 👍

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Thank you 👍🏻

[@nate4036]

This is just custom motor type issues. Built engines can be great or can be troublesome. Custom built 6.4 diesel was junk but the stock one was going great at 252k. My stroker has been in my LJ for 10yrs now. Built by me in my garage and has a Kenne Bell supercharger. Besides a valve cover leak and a harmonic balancer…. It’s been bombproof. I’ve had street car engines sprayed to death and were super reliable, I’ve had cam swaps that turned to junk. Anything 4x4 will have you with tools in your hand especially if running trails.

[@stevetritle2101]

Based on your experiences, my Jeep is either getting an engine out of a running parts Jeep or sold so I can buy a Jeep with a good engine…..so sorry for your troubles.

[@joedumasius5102]

I'm curious if you felt any additional power from the head swap.sorry about your troubles but seems to happen all the time

[@bryanlauchman1014]

So how much you want for the banner? Just kidding, 100% accurate send us your money and we will send you an product that has no QC and not stand behind it. I think all companies just play the odds, we hope it works and if it doesn’t oh well. I think more people need to stand up and call out crappy products, or at least poor QC! Don’t give up, in a few weeks it will be just a faded memory. 👍🏻

[@dansharp8042]

Myself I would regear before I would go for a stroker. It would be alot cheaper. Thanks for sharing.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

I have no issues with 4.10, 35s, and the Stroker to be completely honest.

[@Faq-ubeach]

@@65SEEJAYFIVE Ummm you didnt have issues with the stroker? Ive followed a few videos to this video…and it all seemed to stem FROM issues with the stroker.

[@carlt6932]

What happened with the rear main seal? Did it have one of those cheap seal saver sleeves on it? Sometimes they will turn the back of the crankshaft down and put one of those on. With a stroker they should have used a new crankshaft.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

It’s a new crank, just improperly installed seal.

[@rzrpap]

Sorry to hear about your troubles,no one wants to take responsibility anymore.

[@jjmaxx3834]

Unfortunately, or fortunately, you’re a young man and there’s a lot of shit like this coming your way. Hang in there! (I’m 65 by the way)

[@414Chevy]

If the plugs were loose from the factory, IT SHOULD SAY IN THE INSTRUCTIONS, DOUBLE CHECK THE PLUGS, THEY'RE LOOSE. You have every right to be pissed. I can't buy an engine from any of these companies because I don't trust other people's work. I do it myself because if it's F'd up, only person I can blame is me.

[@westtennesseefarming288]

Man you know this is across the board no one puts any care into there work anymore. Not to mention the companies are cutting every corner possible.

[@stitch1007]

Damn! Edelbrock for the fail! Good to know not to buy from them. Thanks for keep us updated. I am looking at doing a swap soon and your experience is priceless to me.

[@danescholl743]

Edelbrock stuff is generally very high quality, the best imho

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

I agree, but their QC is either non-existent or sucks.

[@LifeHacksAndMoneyStacks]

I agree …. between J&S handling the way they did & Edelbrock not looking to really wanting to take accountability… you’ve called them out and cost them both way more sales than they would ever thought. What goes around comes around… keep being you 👊

[@xTinBenderX]

The more I look into 4.0 upgrades, it seems either keep it stock or swap it.

[@jamescarter6318]

Do you think the best idea would just be to buy a clegg engine kit and do it yourself?

[@bgoedeker567]

Hey where did you get the seats? Are they covers or did you get them redone? Did you source them from somewhere

[@ThatTanWillys]

Remember when you got rid of an awesome 1965 CJ-5 so you could get a newer, more reliable Jeep? Crazy you didn’t want to rep Edelbrock after all that🤫

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

You so funny Steve 😂

[@recon20671]

Today companies don't care about past customers, they know they will always have new customers that they will always screw over with their crappy products and service.

[@robertlara5031]

Sorry to hear you're going through this I will be going a different route titan or Golen ?

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

I’d go Golen

[@RANDOMNATION907]

If you _Really_ want to know how well an Edelbrock aluminum head flows, compared to a stock head, watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4HRdGhurLBpgtk

[@jeepdoctv]

Dang dude!! I feel for ya!

[@scottfromfl6828]

Are you missing your 65 cj yet?

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Nope not really

[@Trickster310YT]

Quality in everhthing nowdays has hone down dramatically. "Warranty" means nothing nowadays, companies just want to keep your money and dont stand behind their product anymore like they used to.

[@offrodnolefmr7445]

If they reimbursed you for any engine parts then they may have to assume liability if the engine blew later.

[@joshmindek4840]

Quality control means nothing these days. If you want something done right, you need to do it yourself. Nobody else stands behind their work or their products, and will actually do the opposite and lie and push the blame off of themselves as much as possible. I actually trust used good condition factory parts more than anything "new" or "rebuilt". It is a process, but you'll get the kinks worked out of this engine and everything will be good. The reply from Edelbrock is laughable. "We screwed up, so here is some merch so you can advertise for us." LOL they can kick rocks.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

You are absolutely right, no one cares anymore and it’s getting out of hand. It’s very frustrating.

[@The-real-CrackerZack]

So get the t shirt, have someone put SUCKS in the appropriate location and give them the advertising they deserve. Thanks for the heads up.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

That’s a great idea, although my response to their email most likely assures that I won’t see a t-shirt or a banner 😆

[@2CabrasLocas]

AMEN! "Paying the most, for the least. EVER" (Inflation accounted for!). "Made in USA" has become a HUGE RED FLAG! Made in China is just the expectaion. But when it says USA, and the quality is NO better... Shameful.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Made in the USA used to mean something and it was something I’d even pay a little extra for. But why? Like you said, the quality seems to be no different!

[@chipschleichardt5641]

Sad but true, at least for the big names anyways. Companies are too focused on diversity and profit and not so much for skilled workers who have pride in what they do.

[@rightwingmanscott]

That sucks. It seems with everything anymore that a quality name product is now junk. It happens in my business with consumables, what was the best is now junk and what was junk is really junk now. It's getting old with no end in site. Everything is farmed out to the lowest bidder.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

It’s really frustrating. Whats even more frustrating is the lack of response and/or care from the manufacturers.

[@Faq-ubeach]

@@65SEEJAYFIVE It why we should go with reputable local shops. When a person is dealing with an economy of scale on the national and international level…theyre going to famr shit out to the lowest bidder, not really care about their name or rep, and find 2/3rds good reviews acceptable. I doubt a single edelbrock is involved with the company anymore. Their CEO is chris douglas lol. A local company is most likely still run by the person who put their blood sweat and tears into starting it…and their whole business is usually local or regional, so they cant afford to do a crap job if they want to stay open. I think for this whole job you shouldve went with a local engine builder of good repute. You might reply “sure, but that was more money than i wanted to spend”….and more understanding i could not be….but id reply “then it sounds like maybe a stroker swap wasnt in the budget yet for you” I ONLY point that fact out for future people reading this, considering the same thing. Aftermarket custom engine swaps are usually done by people whom know how to do them and fix their problems by hand on their own…or theyre done by extremely rich men whom pay someone to deal with the headaches and iron out the kinks. There will be kinks.

[@kingmanaz1488]

It's a real shame about the quality of products these days.

[@meme8315]

Probably the scamsoil. I ruined 2 engines with it so far.

[@kenxiong6830]

So basically avoid S&J and Edelbrock

[@bobbyplatt7654]

Quality is gone, the younger generation moving up in every business doesn't even know how things should be done. from burgers to Corvets..

[@ROLEKPROMOS]

I bet if you would of had more reach/ more vies they would have made it right

[@Reeeeeeeeeeeeemis]

Even Boeing cant get their QC right. What a degradation in American manufacturing.

[@Faq-ubeach]

True. One issue is that for most things, its not american manufacturing. Its american corporate structuring and greed…but also cheap labor and materials. I bet his edelbrock head came from china. Parts for the stroker build probably also came from poorer countries that we take advantage for cheap low quality labor and parts. I find that anymore the only american quality left comes from reputable small local older businesses. Take edelbrock for example. The family isnt producing the parts anymore, or doing the custom work. Its a numbers business to them. They ship on such a huge level that theyre okay with 1/4th of the parts being crap and being returned or warranties etc. a handful of bad reviews are not going your way take them down. Contrast that with a local family run starter rebuild shop or driveshaft shop. Theyre not doing business on a national or international level. All they have is local or regional business. They wouldnt have survived the 30 years theyve been open if 1/4th of their work was poorer. I feel bad for this guy, but he really should have done his research and maybe have had this engine build and swap done locally with someone reputable. I mean a job like an engine build is 100% WHO is building it. The person building it chooses the parts, assembles them etc.

[@isachar2013]

Only in america

[@obeid45]

Switch to v8 coveting

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Nope

[@ThatSoSteve]

Hey, I have been following your journey high and low. Moving forward I think you should remove 4.7l ho badge from your jeep. I don’t want people to see the type of motor you got and buy from the company if they aren’t going to stand with customers. And if you ever open up the hood to show your fans the motor on KZbin or whatsoever, use blue painter tape to cover edelbrock label. They aren’t good and shouldn’t advertise for them.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

That 4.7 badge is the same off a Cherokee with the V8, no ties or implying towards S&J. I certainly don’t want to promote these companies as they left me high and dry and don’t stand behind their work at all.

[@IcallBS-321]

It's jinxed. Get rid of it.

[@user-cj7dv2kc6d]

A bit long winded dude. Get over it and move on. You ain't the first one that has dealt with crap.

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Well here’s the cool part-you don’t have to watch or listen to me 🤷🏼‍♂️ If you spent good money on a top tier quality part, you would just shrug it off? Doubtful 🙄

[@RANDOMNATION907]

"We aren't going to reimburse you for our mistake but, don't worry, we'll send you some banners and a t-shirt so you can advertise for us." - 𝓔𝓭𝓮𝓵𝓫𝓻𝓸𝓬𝓴

[@65SEEJAYFIVE]

Yeah, makes sense right? 🤦🏼‍♂️