HERETIC | Mormon Horror Film Review

[@IntegrityFirstContractor]

The house is an analogy of the church. You enter to get out of the chaos of the world. Immediately upon entering, Minor but important details are shared once entered(metal in walls=troubling church history ie. polygamy, priesthood ban) put on their shelf. The further they go into the house (church), the more trapped they become and the more danger they are in. You can’t leave with your dignity through the front door but must go down (shame and shunning) to get out the back door. When you do get out you’re emotionally traumatized and wounded but see the light more brighter than before entering.

[@tamidawn8383]

Yes. I even saw a bit of the temple in there … physically moving to different levels and receiving “further light and knowledge” with each one.

[@jacobarnold604]

so real! incredible analogy

[@michelle5784]

The writer is a former Mormon and his wife who was a producer on the movie is also former Mormon. (I went to BYU with her, we were film majors. I'm so happy she's able to work in the industry!) So yes, they were able show Mormons accurately because they lived it.

[@PhyreReighn]

There are So many take offs this writer could do!! Netflix.Murder.Among.Mormons was nothing compared to what's happened in the last 5 yrs. joshPowell, chadDaybell, AlexCox, JodiHild., RubyFranke, HeightFamily, not to mention TedBundy, JodiAuris- MeaganHuntsman, The LafertyBrothers, RachelDavid (threw 7 kids of balcony at SLC UT hotel) too many

[@syfields8154]

DON'T waste your money on this movie. I did my PhD in Film. My honest critique? Poor writing. Poor acting. One dimensional characters. No plot structure. A half sentence log line. Wanna-be screenwriter Bryan Woods has done three other films that were bad and boring but this fourth one is the worst. I find myself wondering how he and his Mormon wifie get funding for their garbage horror schlock/ celluloid catastrophes. Woods' chubby brainwashed Mormon wife Julia Glausi, must "know somebody"...or something. They simply are not talented enough to do anything of quality, and will never win an Oscar.

[@syfields8154]

@@PhyreReighn ...The sissy producers of "The Heretic" are MORMONS. Your ideas about scripts on the criminals you mentioned would all show the church in a bad light as all these psychos had MORMON backgrounds. And Mormons like Glausi and Woods don't want to be excommunicated. And little Julia doesn't wanna make her Mormon mommy Carla and her Mormon daddy Wally mad at her. Plus they're starting to churn out spirit children and need to buy baby food. They are self-centered LDS creeps who would step on anyone to accomplish their ambitious money-money-money goals and serve Mormonism. Sure, they "could " have produced something of quality---but flunked the test.

[@Bobjdobbs]

@@syfields8154LMAO! You are hilarious, thinking your opinion matters. So cute!

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

Quiet liar.

[@benbrown5834]

Missionary's really do underestimate how dangerous going into strangers houses can be. When I was on my mission we followed up on former investigators and ended up in the house of a mentally unstable man with religious ramblings and symbols scribbled all over the walls of his house along with pass along cards nailed to the wall. I just tried my best to keep on his good side, made an excuse about another appointment to leave and never went there again.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Wow. Point well taken

[@syfields8154]

@@benbrown5834... WHY did someone draw big black lines through my comment? It was as if they wanted important parts of my truthful factual statements to be edited out. Readers: You will have to "read THROUGH the lines" as I did NOT put them there!

[@PsiPhy]

​@@syfields8154- KZbin does that. They sensor out elements of what we say or delete your comment altogether.

[@syfields8154]

NOW my comment was totally erased. And it was based on FACTS, not "opinions" , about this poorly written, poorly produced, worthless film.

[@PsiPhy]

@syfields8154 Right? KZbin ai & moderators go thru & delete anything deeper than a mud puddle.Only stupid shallow remarks allowed

[@mjpellsworth3024]

I witnessed almost as much death and violence on my mission in Honduras in 2000-2002 as I did during my Afghanistan deployment in 2018. There was zero mental or physical support, I wasn't even allowed to call my family. As a brown-skinned American, I was sent by the mission president to the most precarious areas where it was unsafe for yt missionaries and even himself to go, borrowing language from the temple ceremony, I was told "Return and report" and like a dancing monkey, I happily obliged. But not anymore.

[@ZelphBallard-bg9mt]

yes sorry but the pale face utah missionaries never got that job from what I know.

[@YogiTheBearMan]

Sounds horrifying sorry for your tramatic experiences

[@whatthecrud]

I went through the Mormon temple for the first time in 1988, when they still had all of the gory physical threats in the ceremony. And then once I went into the celestial room, I had family members with smiles pasted on their faces while I was completely traumatized and had no one to process any of it with. It was definitely like a horror movie. I've since left--well, actually, running screaming the other way would be a better description of my exit.

[@jacobmschlegel]

It was definitely different back then, especially the live performances I saw in Manti and Salt Lake City.

[@Allthoseopposed]

47:39 when I think of Bob Ross compared with Mormonism. I think of how everyone who tries to paint (follow) along with Bob, trying their best to mimic and recreate Bob’s art. 🎼 Do as I’m doing, come and follow me. 🎶 Also, it’s cookie cutter art simplified, literal, stroke by stroke line upon line, anyone can do it attitude. What a great way to get people to trust and invest time, relationships and money in tools etc makes it difficult to leave, sunk cost fallacy. Because you’ve invested so much you stick with it because you believe you have more to loss than gain if you quit.

[@TheFantasticFox822]

Hi Ruth, Peter and Nemo and people in the comments, somehow I stumbled across your YT post. I’m a Philosophy BA, with agnostic beliefs, and always interested in hearing others’ perspectives through the lens of their beliefs. Your discussion was so interesting- it’s clear you’ve all thought a lot about the Mormon religion, and Ruth, it was fascinating to hear your take on how the (female) missionaries are conditioned to be polite and graceful regardless of the circumstance. It seems really similar to my experience of being a girl / woman, and something I’m really challenged by in raising my daughter now. To the people in the comments, I’m kind of horrified by some of the experiences you’ve been subjected to! I had no idea the life of a Mormon missionary could be so threatening in this time in history. Greatest respect for the good you are trying to do. ❤

[@rooheath]

Thanks for your comments and glad you enjoyed the discussion 😊

[@slvrsrfr92]

I remember it was a major deal when my 2nd cousin was stabbed to death in Ireland while on his mission. Stanley Critchfield May 27th 1990 and so many more since that time. At that time members thought garments were bullet proof but maybe not in his particular case. It's just sad to think this was the mentality of members then and even today.

[@c471]

I'm sorry for your loss. 🥺

[@Britbec]

My birthday is Friday, this comes out here in SLC on Thursday…this is what I’ll be doing to celebrate. Popcorn and a bit of deconstruction. Lovely! 😊

[@smaacms1636]

Having the choice of only two doors also reinforces the binary thinking that is endemic in the lds faith

[@unleashedbread6146]

Just watched the movie here in America, I was really surprised about how specific it actually went into the details of church history. (Fanny Alger, polygamy, Gordon B. Hinkley, etc..) The more I think about the movie the more I appreciate it.

[@salome3354]

Appreciate a man terrorizing young women to « deprogramme » them?

[@SandraDodd]

Clarification on Ruth's late spoiler... Blueberry pie WAS consumed, eventually, but not by the sister missionaries.

[@morley79]

These are young women. You're told from childhood not to be loud or bossy or disputatious. Stay sweet. Right?

[@dwmson9]

Once again, my favorite discussion panel participants.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

Great panel. Interesting insights My faith deconstruction has felt like being trapped in a waking nightmare. You have to build your own door out of the nightmare.

[@JanPeterson-k9k]

Mine, too! It took years to be truly sure I was on the path of reality what is really true. That was 40 years ago and our only reliable source of knowledge were the Tanners and Leonard Arrington, the church historian at the time. Unlike everyone else in the church I went to, he treated me with compassion and respect. Four decades later, life is wonderful. I emerged from the sheltered, artificial greenhouse the church provided and was able to enter the real world, which not as sheltered is far more beautiful.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

​@@JanPeterson-k9k Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@mrbrit6746]

Apologies if this is a dumb question, I’m new to this channel and was wondering if everybody on the panel are active members of the LDS church?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I was until a month ago when I was excommunicated

[@Nimbus-fq7ub]

I'm so glad I watched this film review before watching the film itself. I know it felt like exposure therapy in the mind frame very much, however, this video helped me prepare before watching the film, and even though it does trigger those who experience complex-PTSD and RTS (religious trauma syndrome) like myself, but I am glad I did watch it because it helps me that I am not alone in the mental state of narcissistic abuse from the mainstream LDS. I took someone from the RLDS, the Community of Christ branch of Mormons with me, and they have said it has helped them to help those who are transitioning out of the mainstream into the community of christ branch of mormons

[@madeleinefoley9421]

The hilarious thing about the church’s statement is that religious texts show examples of some horrible behaviour. One ‘bad’ character in a story doesn’t make everyone want to act like that. It’s usually intended to be the exact opposite 😂

[@louiselucilla2163]

If Peter had been my teacher, I would have understood everything at school.

[@AcousticAce2]

The assessment that most religions are lacking in genuine caring and common sense I agree with, but my view is that that doesn’t warrant not believing in God. I think a lot of religions simply misrepresent him, including Mormonism, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist. God is essentially love and wisdom united. Many religions focus on the faith part or “faith alone” and miss the practical and common sense aspect of love being what should be at the heart of faith.

[@kelliebporter]

You have first dibs on Hugh Grant, I love that. Will watch when it gets to Utah

[@NanetteONeal]

Peter! My husband's art community had a saying: I'd rather be flayed than display a Kinkade!

[@Natalie.D]

I love this discussion and this is an excellent movie to show the dangers that all missionaries, but especially sister missionaries face. How many have experienced violence or abuse on their mission? More than we know. I have to push back on Peter’s comment about how prepared and educated these two young women are on their faith and doctrines because they are Mormon and go to seminary and what other religion has that much preparation for young people. I do have to say as an ex-Catholic who was taught mainly by nuns in Catholic schools for 12+ years of my life. Religion class was a part of our curriculum, we said prayers and discussed God and faith in most of our classes outside of our formal religion class, and had weekly school Mass in addition to Sunday mass. And for some of us, daily Mass. So I think you can definitely experience more hours of indoctrination/faith preparation if you are in a religious school all day long.

[@avantgauche]

unironically this has made me want to see the film more because I was a bit on the fence about seeing it in the cinema

[@RuthMorton-y9r]

@@avantgauche coming Friday in my area Redcliffe Brisbane 6.45 pm 8th Nov . Yay

[@tamidawn8383]

See it

[@charlespalmer5014]

This movie is a reminder of why everyone needs tactical training. It is important to develop skills that promote vigilance and situational awareness! If you are not trained to recognize indicators of potential violence, you will have a problem establishing healthy boundaries. Healthy boundaries, are like strong fences, they both help create good neighbors. Problem is you must develop skills that allow to enforce boundaries. You cannot establish boundaries you are physically capable of enforcing. We are socialized in the LDS Church, that it is acceptable for someone to have the right to insert themselves into our lives under the guise of “I represent the Lord’s Church and I am entitled to receive revelation for you because you are part of my stewardship, and you need approval and validation from me to be a member in full fellowship!

[@smallfairytales1231]

I had a female friend who on her mission in West Virginia in the early 1990s, was invited into a creepy home by a single man, and every indication was that he had killed women in that home before (he hinted he had) and he wouldn’t let them go. They barely escaped.

[@RuthMorton-y9r]

20 years ago my daughter had to go with her companion to identify the body of a recent lady missionary who had been shot dead in Salt Lake city and as her parents were overseas and this girl had been her companion . Also a young mormon couple were held for days in UK and made to perform acts in front of their captors for fun. Also 16 plus years ago.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Wow. Thank you for sharing

[@LopsidedLiahona]

Jesus, asking a former comp to ID the body? That is unfathomable (& completely unacceptable). What abt the mission president? That should absolutely be something he took care of, & not delegated. That is next level.

[@syfields8154]

Sounds like another Mormon PR gimmick to garner sympathy and publicity... Are you sure the "Mormon couple" weren't just "swingers"? Can you document this tale please? Give me that "couple's" names...As I'd like to check that out.

[@MM-jf1me]

Your poor daughter -- that's awful. (Everything mentioned in your comment is awful, but important to know. Thank you for sharing.)

[@RuthMorton-y9r]

@MM-jf1me Yes not a good start . 17 companions in 8 months and she was sent home. Drs here said mental exhaustion due to constant changes and getting used to a new country and living with many girls who spoke little English. Salt Lake Square and looking into the Prophets hotel were also scary for her.

[@LoraleeArmstrongNunley]

Thanks!

[@MomtoAutism]

Great episode all of you has so much insight. Thanks I wint need to see it myself

[@AnUnlikelyArkie]

I'm one of those that ran away but came back after watching it. Great insight!

[@JohnICX]

Science and Democracy… Peter figured it all out

[@madig4193]

I actually served my mission in South America and every church building I saw had floors that were entirely tile. Even the chapels. In fact, the chapel benches were removable so they would set up and take down the chapel benches regularly to repurpose that room. So, not totally incorrect, but definitely not correct for churches in the states for sure.

[@rooheath]

Interesting - in the uk, I’ve only seen carpeted floors apart from in the bathroom, kitchen or cultural hall. Sometimes even carpeted cultural hall which is not great for sports! 😂

[@user-ql2id3ml3i]

it's not like the Catholic church hasn't had it's share of horror movies.

[@Natalie.D]

Absolutely. And honestly I don’t remember the Catholic Church issuing official statement against any film.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

76 read The Exorcist and saw the movie. Am big fan of re-reading or rewatching my fav books or movies. With The Excorsist once was enough on both counts

[@tabandken8562]

​@@Natalie.DWe are made aware of films to avoid in church. We are also expected to use prudence.

[@PhyreReighn]

They dont PRIDE themselves on being this unique- LOL- wear special underwear, practice secret handshakes to heaven, Pay a 10% tax for multi level marketing, shunn people of color (in mormonScriptures) get in peoples business with missionaries & powers of the priesthood in peoples homes, ban coffee, Marry many women in temples, baptize the dead etc. etc.

[@susanmaughan968]

I beleive a lot of missionaries will have their own horror episode that they can convey. I had someone claim that there was someone going around stabbing someone in the area we were tracting. We did leave the man's place and arrived back to our rented place with the landlady about to phone the police as we were late back. Happened in Newquay in the mid eighties.

[@MM-jf1me]

Thank goodness your landlady was looking out for you! I know she didn't directly help, but had something happened, hopefully you would've been helped quickly. Glad you made it out of the entire situation safely.

[@CandlewickLibrary]

Tad Walsh was in our old ward and his daughter was in my YW class ( I was a teacher). I’m not surprised at how biased he always writes.

[@ShulaMG]

Enjoyed the live. Back here to feed the algorithm.

[@charlespalmer5014]

“Faith is important for society, because it gives people the means to restrain themselves, so the state does not have to” ~Margret Thatcher

[@padfootdoggy]

I never knew about the right hand thing. I'm left handed so just used my left hand... some times people made me grab it odd and so did use my right but I always spilled if I did that. Nemo I heard someone say that a powerful testimony should go "deeper" in the church... crazy cause not sure it's a main talk before that.

[@catherinerussell7434]

Interesting that the picture of the salt lake Tribune shows a date of November 31st 2024, impossible.

[@MM-jf1me]

That is odd. I just looked up the article myself and it perfectly matches with the screenshot except for the month (Published: Oct 31, 2024, 9:00 pm). Must've been human error and it has since been fixed.

[@megalantern13]

That article being displayed at 9:31 says it was published on November 31, 2024 - 27 days into the future. Interesting.

[@rooheath]

November only has 30 days 😂

[@louk495]

Delightful conversation! and I very much look forward to viewing the movie in the US.

[@nancyevans3590]

Staying in our group even when there’s abuse is critical to survival if you are a species that has evolved that way. This is a basic lesson I’ve learned owning ducks. There’s no consensual sex or any other behavior but survival depends on them sticking together at all costs.

[@ginafrancis4950]

evolutionarily speaking- a lone monkey is a dead monkey.

[@Chococatania]

I am so excited to see this movie! Thanks for your discussion on it. About A Boy is my favorite movie, and my favorite line in almost any movie (other than the godfather) is when Hugh grant is driving behind the ambulance (it was terrible, terrible. But driving really fast behind the ambulance was fantastic.”) Anyway. Great discussion!

[@starrbeatlesqueen]

I have been waiting weeks to talk about this movie. I have asked and asked, and none of the Mormon/Post-Mormon channels were interesting, I don't think. I was going to actually contact A24 themselves and ask if it was okay to use their footage to make a reaction to the trailers, but haven't, so I didn't make a video. I missed about 45 minutes of the live stream yesterday, Nemo, and I guess it makes sense you are FINALLY doing a review video because it premiered in the UK on Halloween. I am glad for spoilers because I hate modern horror films' aspects. So thank you, Nemo!!

[@michaeladams1523]

Around the 21:00 minute mark, it sounds like you say that The Saratov Approach is NOT based on true events, but that one is. It's also not put out by "the church". The missionaries were kidnapped and later released or escaped, I forget, but it did happen. The actor who played one of the missionaries, as well as the main role in Saints and Soldiers, is a friend of mine. I'm sure you are aware of another film he was in. You probably also know that he is now exmo. I am as well, but just wanted to correct your claim that Saratov Approach isn't based on true events.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

That wasn’t what I was trying to say, I was using sarcasm though, so I understand how you heard that.

[@ambervore1795]

Yes, one of the elders was from my home stake, and I was a youth and went to his talks after he got home. We had an elder from our ward I knew well who was also in Russia, they just overlapped, and he was even later in the same area and told us while he was there not to tell his mom what area he was in because he didn't want her to worry.

[@MegaCraptacular]

Where can we see this?

[@bodytrainer1crane730]

I like what Peter is saying about simplicity. I took have noticed years after leaving that there are very simple ways to describe church problems and to live a life that is more rewarding than Mormonism.

[@JameeAndelin]

This made me ever more excited to see the movie!! And I’m taking my husband so he can see what I’ve been going through psychologically

[@jojojarvis1818]

9:09. ????November 31, 2024????? Back to the future kind of stuff right here folks.

[@johneasler9967]

The mormon church is a horror show

[@peterwinstead7618]

Brilliant breakdown. Thank you!

[@knowledgeseeker0921]

Best show and conversation ever. Religion has been a source of control bt fear of the unkown from the very beginning.

[@vobdog2398]

I think a higher-up Mormon at Megaplex banned every Megaplex from showing this movie in their theaters. When I looked up showtimes there were Cinemark and AMC theater showtimes, but I couldn't see a single Megaplex time. Unless Megaplex updates their showtimes later in the week than other theaters, I wonder if someone with power higher-up banned it. Megaplex owns like half the theaters in Utah, so that's annoying if half of Utah's theaters are shunning this movie.

[@stingray4real]

Larry Miller who owned the megaplex at that time banned Brokeback Mountain.

[@cloudstrife428]

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. I can't find it in a theater within 45 miles of me

[@abb9017]

I saw it tonight and was looking for a megaplex and couldn’t find any! Just cinemark/amc. In salt lake county

[@stingray4real]

There was Robert Kleason who joined the Church. He invited Missionary Elders to dinner. The Bishop warned the Missionaries about him. The Missionaries came back to Kleason's house. They were reported missing. The police searched the house and found a missionary badge with a bullet hole. He got arrested and sent to prison for murder. Due to lack of evidence he was released from prison. A few years later he moved to the UK in a small town in North Lincolnshire. A DNA test was done on the Missionaries items. He was sentenced to death for murder in absentia. The US wanted to extradite Kleason but the UK Government refused because of the death penalty. Kleason died of a heart failure in prison while awaiting extradition.

[@LoraleeArmstrongNunley]

My sisters boyfriend had a brother on his mission in Texas. His name was Gary Darley He and his Comp were told not to visit this guy but they did and they were brutally murdered. The police found the bracelet of Gary that had fallen off his wrist. It had his name on it.

[@jennyelsie]

That's so very sad. Unfortunately I'm guessing the church spun their murders like it was their spiritual fate. 😭

[@ginafrancis4950]

I just looked up the case. Sickening. The fact the perpetrator hardly had jail time is so disturbing. The fact the church puts out that all care is taken to protect its missionary’s is ludicrous. Even their magic underwear, espoused to be essential for their protection failed miserably those two vulnerable young men. Mormonism has much to be accountable for.

[@boydpease4103]

On a mission in the DC area we saw an area on the map where no trackting had been done. We went there and found only a few foundation houses behind which disappeared into dense growth and mobile homes. Everyone we saw was African American. We stopped at those first few houses and at the last house before the mobile homes began about 50 yards beyond. We were speaking to an African American lady about Christ and noticed a crowd of people gathering 50 yards away and waving clubs and picking up rocks. The lady said we had better leave it wasn't safe foe us. We turned and walked toward the front gate like area and the group started throwing rocks at us which did nor hit us. They began to walk after us waving clubs. As soon as we exited the gate and a fence hid us we ran to our car and sped out before anyone got to the gate. We stopped at a members house and told what happened where and her eyes went wide. She said the people there had announced to the area any white people entering the area would be killed and that a white couple had disappeared after last being seen in that area. This was 1982. Then African Americans have been forced to move for development so many times by people in ties. Land close to DC Capital Hill would be in high interest and open to exploitation.

[@joanpearl7184]

Probably notes physical training: here is a stretchy band for the next 2 years if it gets bad buy another. Also, what exercises you can do with a chair.

[@miguelthealpaca8971]

My religion is Bob Ross Monopoly.

[@ahashdahnagila6884]

...and a happy little tree lives on your canvas ❤🎉

[@sedg83]

I disagree about Bob Ross, he teaches techniques not art. Art comes from how you implement techniques, what are you going to make with these skills you've learned? That's on you. And if you're a hobbyist who just wants to play with paint to relieve anxiety, he's your guru. It's like when you teach someone origami and they only ever make cranes... Well🤷 you can't force anyone to use their brain in combination with their skills. Art theory is an advanced class and Bob isn't the professor

[@Flash-pp3cr]

Excellent discussion

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you. Watching and Listening from Alaska. 🤔 Well done. 🕊

[@TheOGProtestantMormon]

Whats the matter? Don’t ya like clowns? Have some of captain Spaulding special chicken!

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

I'm looking forward to watching this, it wasn't even on my radar, so thanks for this discussion. It is too bad the Fanny Alger misinformation keeps coming up. It didn't happen. Mosiah Lyman Hancock and Levi Ward Hancock are my direct grandpas and Mosiah doctored Levi's journals. Levi didn't perform any marriage between Joseph and granite, and Fannie NEVER said she had any immoral relationship with Joseph, even after leaving the church. Much of what we have come from the lying Utah saints decades later, my ancestors included.

[@cheryltyler9412]

Hugh Grant looks just like Bill Clinton who really is creepy

[@pianomanchristopher]

I want to watch this movie but it hasn't been released on Amazon yet. Argh;). I think it was released early in the UK.

[@ZelphBallard-bg9mt]

now is the great day of hughs power

[@dalehawley5836]

Bumbling? Take that back! He was in sense and sensibility. My fav movie!

[@mae-qt8hw]

I hope this film brings about some missions changes, like more concern for the emotional and physical safety of missionaries,. I would be better if missionaries had more choices like where and how long they serve. The church should provide food and utilities for missionaries so they don't come home malnutrition. Stop sending missionaries after dark to work, also the pressure to put themselves in dangerous situations for a "freind" prospect.

[@Suzyslly]

Going to have to say goodbye. I want to see the movie.

[@sheliabryant3997]

Hey, my dear trekking "boys". 😻 And Ruth is here! Hope you are all - and yours - doing well.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

38.32 brilliant and insightful discussion and points made. So many ethical issues.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

Around 22.39= Peter Bleakley you are hilarious! 🤣

[@jacobhannemann6508]

37:50 great point. The devil can use this too. My question for the 3 people on this. First thank you for pointing out faults with the “church” but where are you on your belief in God? Peter stays in the Church maybe more for social reasons. Not sure on Ruth. Obviously Nemo has been excommunicated but I sense a loss of belief in God as well? Can you guys share where you are at?

[@JC-vq2cs]

Thank you for this review, excellent and thoughtful panel discussion as ever from Britvengers. I really appreciated Ruth's reactions as a woman viewer & exMo. I cannot stomach any violence in films so if I go see it, I can walk out now at the appropriate time after all the build-up suspense. I am a NeverMo in Moridor who has been investigating Mormonism since the pandemic out of curiousity about all the members around me and my frustration with the effective theocracy here (they won't leave us nonmembers alone to act as we see fit). Some of my exMo neighbors tease me that I know more about the religion than they do, probably true. But I would never catch the subtleties of tile vs carpet in the temples lol. Nemo, glad to see you seem well and recovering a bit from the trauma, your comment about your headspace now vis a vis the film was powerful. Take good care.

[@rooheath]

❤😊

[@MaryMorley-k9d]

Hey Guys what’s with the Published Date? Today is the 4th.

[@sleepycalico]

Sounds so scary I'm going to wait for it to come to MAX so I can Pause and Mute as necessary. Probably still won't be able to watch.

[@athanksgivingbaby570]

Really, really interesting discussion.

[@MsCaterific]

Anyone who would be this kind of evil Don't need encouragement.

[@rongustaveson4493]

Any members that listen to Hollywood as to what is R or not is a fool. Sadly Hollywood has the ability to manipulate what you see. A perfect example of this is the movie Nefarious which is a MUST see but is rated R for NO reason. Why did Hollywood make it R? They don't want fellow Christians to watch it!

[@dayharper9637]

History may be replete with killers who are husband and wife teams--and there have even been women acting alone--but both of those groups together are a tiny fraction of the number of killers that are men acting alone. The policy makes sense as something that's probablistically protective.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

I served my mission a few years after 2 missionaries were murdered and chopped up by someone they went to visit.

[@WayOutHerePodcast]

Does this have spoilers? I haven't watched it yet and won't be watching it for over a week, so I'm avoiding all spoilers!! Please include "SPOILERS" in the title and description if there are spoilers! A24 has done a great job of not giving anything away, and this is very important to many of us lol. Thank you 🙏

[@ZelphBallard-bg9mt]

so members wont watch the sin next to murder but they will watch saving private ryan??? this movie does portray what sister missionaries do on their mission

[@dalehawley5836]

I’ll be really surprised if TSCC doesn’t sue over this movie.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

Great points re the BOM and the normalisation of violence and holy danger.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Why do you let me???

[@DeweyKnowaBitfromaByte]

Were the creators not exmo like the actors?

[@tamidawn8383]

Scott Beck and Bryan Woods were on Mormon Stories Podcast (episode#1962). Bryan is married to a Mormon (inactive Mormon I believe) but neither Bryan or Scott are, or ever were Mormon. The two female actors were raised Mormon, one a convert and the other born and raised.

[@bonmamartine5178]

I totally figured the UK was getting it first because of Hugh Grant.

[@zaneastin5502]

its a brilliant movie- film

[@melissar2943]

Side note. I read a bunch of reviews on this and it's amazing how many people thought the missionaries were actually jehovah's witnesses. Lol!

[@amazinmaven]

28:40 Brilliant Ruth! 😂🤣😂

[@amynay4686]

It's not just missionaries who put themselves in danger. What about all this stay-at-home moms who find themselves in their 40s and 50s without any professional training? Being a member of the church is like being on drugs, you are so trusting that God will take care of everything that you don't think critically.

[@williamwallaceg2627]

For the algorithm and for more support. Alaska

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Am converted xlds. Raised Baptist. As child asked questions like why do Biblical characters appear in Koran? Was told don't ask questions. Sure that will stop me..

[@tabandken8562]

Because Mohammed plagiarized the bible before Joseph Smith did.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

​@@tabandken8562good one. Food 4 thought But didn't Hebraic scrolls precede both. Really must stop commenting 76 sides hurt 2 much from laughing. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂thanx.🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@tabandken8562]

@marquitaarmstrong399 Yes. Your point? They were translated into other languages and nobody claims them to be something else, except Joseph Smith and Muhammad. To be fair, idk if Muhammad merely added the text to the Koran or blatantly plaigerized it. I'm told he did, but that is above my ability to analyze the Koran because I cannot read the original Koran. On the other hand, I am analyzing the BoM and most of the BoM is a string of phrases taken from the KJV. It's as if Joseph Smith flipped opened the bible and chose phrases randomly to "write" the BoM.

[@HJBL1964]

The quran was written 600AD. Muslims refer to the Bible as The Book and claim most of the prophets as their own.

[@harlanlang6556]

Sounds like a movie worth watching! It's not often that we get films which stimulate pondering. I especially liked the last question of why people submit themselves to religious authority, and the reasons mentioned by Peter. But I do question his conclusion about democracy being the solution. Here in the U.S. we have fairly free and fair elections, but our latest election shows how millions are willing to submit themselves to an Orange Jesus who is one of the least virtuous and the least wise. And the LDS are among his strongest supporters. It's just an example of how "feeling" trumps "logic", pardon the pun. Few human beings are mature enough to expect their collective decisions to be purely logical or based upon their best interests. As Peter mentioned, we have done fairly well being united as a family. The larger the social units, the more complex and difficult becomes unity, and my feeling is that we need unity to accomplish anything at the social level. The Soviet Union is an example of a society which eliminated religion, promoted education and scientific advancement, and substituted a political party and ideology in place of religion. They didn't end up with the utopia they had expected. You mentioned that there are certain universal norms of good social behavior, like truthfulness, honesty, kindness, etc., which are found in all religions. Rather than seeing these universal norms as evidence that since no religion stands out as being better than the others, then they are all equally false, you can also make the opposite argument that they are all equally true. Mormons and most Christians have been programmed to think of their faith as the one true Faith, so it seems nonsensical to think of all religions as true, but each one can be seen as tailored to suit the social and spiritual needs of a particular era and culture, to fit the needs of a tribe, a city-state or a nation. It's the same principle as teachers in a school tailoring lessons to the developmental stages of the children. So Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Muhammed, Krishna, etc. can be seen as teachers of the same religion, but adapted to different developmental stages of humanity. You mentioned that all doors lead to death, but the real question is "What is death?" If your philosophy is materialism, then death is nothingness, and life has no meaning. But materialism in science is now being challenged by the realization that "matter" is fundamentally just another form of energy, and that the underlying reality of the universe is the quantum field from which emerges the atomic particles which constitute the material universe. Most people are now familiar with the near-death experience where people become clinically dead for a short period of time and are then resuscitated through medical intervention. During this period of bodily death, many people describe being vividly aware even though their brain is not functioning. A Dr. Jeffrey Long MD became curious after hearing many of these experiences from his patients and established an online collection of over 3,000 of these experiences. His website is NDERF.org for anyone curious about this scientific data which shows that "death" only applies to our physical bodies, not to our minds or souls, and this gives a positive way of seeing the two doors which both lead to death.

[@joanpearl7184]

Waiting for a book of Mormon movie to confirm our and they say, this isn't based on actual eventa

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Enjoying this

[@amazinmaven]

I was literally called a heretic on my mission

[@rooheath]

I hope you took it as a huge compliment!

[@harlanlang6556]

Who called you a heretic? Mormons or Evangelicals?

[@amazinmaven]

@@harlanlang6556 sorry for the late reply! I assume they were evangelical. They screamed it in the middle of our introduction and slammed the door so I wasn't able to inquire much further lol

[@amazinmaven]

@@rooheath I wish, lol. I was mad she didn't want to discuss it at least

[@EpolynPaprica]

Ahh commenting but can't watch yet cause I'm avoiding spoilers

[@thelastgoonie6555]

Obviously, this film promotes violence against anyone who calls garments "magic underwear" /s