Herman Miller Aeron vs Steelcase Leap V2: Which is best for me?

[@btodtv]

► Aeron vs. Leap Comparison: bit.ly/2VEja02 ► Aeron Chair Review: bit.ly/2T4q7JF ► Steelcase Leap v2 Review: bit.ly/2ICAjp1 ► Steelcase Leap v2 New vs. Used Comparison: bit.ly/2NCDIUK

[@bradleyh8044]

Really informative video, but the sound of public domain ukelele and xylophone music blaring over your commentary makes me start grinding my teeth.

[@katfremont304]

Yes, I had to stop watching bc of it & I REALLY wanted to watch 😩

[@UnrivaledAegis]

It didn’t bother me until I read your comment then it started annoying me lol😂

[@diracleo]

music makes me feel like i'm playing the sims

[@btodtv]

Not sure if that is good or bad? Ha! -GK

[@onyxsolace5398]

@@btodtv music isnt great, and please change your microphone.

[@ja11er]

@@onyxsolace5398 I agree the music fucking sucks but no one's here for entertainment

[@VEVOJavier]

@@onyxsolace5398 the mic is just fine dude chill

[@MindHunger]

Before watching this video I was ready to buy a Herman Miller Aeron. Now I'm thinking the Steelcase Leap V2 might be better for me. Thank you!!!

[@sixpooltube]

I blindly purchased an Aeron Remastered 4 years ago. Sat in a Steelcase Think at my workplace 3 days ago and realized I’ve been missing out on a lot. Went to local steelcase store, tried Gesture and Leap. Here are my conclusions: Leap > Gesture > Think >> Aeron. Aeron is the most overrated chair on the market. Build quality doesn’t mean jack shiz if the chair doesn’t feel good. I’m selling it before I reap benefits of its supposed longevity.

[@gagegang6421]

I'm 6'1 and weigh 230. I walked into a showroom fully expecting to buy the aeron based on glowing reviews. I tested between the aeron and the leap for about an hour and to my shock, it was not even close. The leap was, ironically, leaps and bounds beyond the aeron in comfort for me and my back. I found the aeron to be very unforgiving in terms of comfort. The leap is just perfect for me. HIghly recommend testing out if you have the option. *edit* yes, I test the size B and C, B was not even close to an option and the C unfortunately still was extremely uncomfortable.

[@piotr9914]

leap worked for me for like a week then the top of the back rest started stabbing my shoulder blades. THe seat is comfy but the back rest is too small and im only 5'10.

[@yevgeni10]

Maybe your were using the first leap and not the leap v2.

[@Skuglyft]

I managed to get the Herman Miller Aeron B from an online auction for 35 dollars. Not kidding. Feels like I won the lottery. A bit dusty and worn but a good clean made it look like new. My back loves it compared to a gaming chair I had before.

[@albonymus1682]

ANJ91 wow! lucky you :D Those „gaming“ chairs are a complete rippoff anyway 😅

[@theindivisible]

What auction?

[@HeretixAevum]

wow nicely done. I love when you come across somebody who doesn't know what they're selling haha.

[@apster07]

what kinda auction??

[@christophercarney1809]

sat down in the Aeron size B of which based on their size guide I fit perfect for. The seat depth was far too short and the arm rests were not forward enough. Then sat in the Leap and it was awesome, picked it up right there.

[@Spike-qh2bb]

Both stupid overpriced = massive profits.

[@nyquildays]

thorough vid but I had to play at double speed to get through it.

[@HaloReachisamazing]

I know this comment is quite late but next time you guys do a comparison you should at least comment on durability. I've heard that the aeron can still seem brand new even after 20 years of use. I'm curious how the foam on the leap compares to the mesh after long term use.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Foam is definitely not going to last as long as mesh, even if it's super high quality. I don't think Steelcase even warranties the upholstery for more than 5 years, unlike most of the upholstery options on the Embody.

[@Ghostzy01]

7:18 WIDE range of users you say WIDE

[@reoden7546]

I'm sure they gave their word choice some.. heavy thought.

[@fredastaire6156]

This was very well done, thank you BTOD!

[@btodtv]

Thank YOU! - TK

[@OmniNero]

7:24 Video: "Although we wouldn't suggest people being close to the 400 lb capacity fitting in this chair comfortably, we would actually recommend..." Me: "losing weight" Video: "looking at their larger chairs which is rated up to 500 lb." Me: "Oh..."

[@BTravel5]

Just sold my Aeron, was killing my back as of late. I'm 6.4. Looking into the Leap V2.

[@btodtv]

How long did you own it? -GK

[@bigguschungus968]

@@btodtv Do you miss the rocking motion of the aeron vs the leaps more linear movement? I use an aeron in the office but cant get a leap v2 to try out. Also which chair does the BTOD office approve of most? Thanks

[@zzzzzzzz4694]

which chair is better for a 5'7 140 pound user?

[@pete6705]

Damn, looks like Leap base price is over 1100 now

[@chaowu5139]

Have a herniated disk in L4/L5 region. I have heard that the V2 does cause discomfort in tailbone, lowerback area which is what I'm trying to prevent since i mostly WFH. I do like that the V2 is more comfortable for the legs since i have long legs. Anyone with lower backbone who has tried both have any suggestions? Not confining myself to leap v2 or the Aeron either. My current chair, not an office chair, gives me back soreness if i sit too long amd would obviously like to avoid that.

[@MrEvan1932]

Wow, this is just the channel I needed to find

[@elias38]

A year ago I got Aeron. After seating on it I got a huge bruise in my thigh which I figured it was from a sitting position due to a hard plastic frame. So a few hundred bucks for doc visit on top of that. I thought I'm having something worse than a bruise at that time because I couldn't even imagine that could happen from seating on a chair. Also, the back support sucks big time. I have sciatica and don't use it since it is more comfortable without it. The feel of seating on a mesh is also not that great. The only thing I like about it is the look but long story short. Yesterday I got my wife a SteelCase Leap v2 chair and while Aeron is officially in US museum of arts I find Leap v2 looking was more modern and stylish. It is hands down more comfortable. I'm not even going to start praising it. I'll be selling my Aeron to get myself a Steelcase.

[@edwinmendez9159]

How much are you selling the Aeron for?

[@misshaveaniceday]

Thanks for this video! Super informative and clear. I just snagged a Leap, and so far really love it! :)

[@btodtv]

Nice! Glad we could provide some good info. Enjoy your new chair. I’m sitting in the Leap right now :) - GK

[@MarcusGomesFIFA]

Thank you for this video. very well made!

[@btodtv]

You’re welcome! - GK

[@richmahogany1]

@@btodtv Do you guys ship to Canada? If not, can you recommend a Canadian "equivalent" to you guys? Thanks.

[@TaylorMMontgomery]

I have sat in an Aeron B for about 5 years. Recently picked up a Leap V2 and it's vastly different and more comfortable in my opinion. Aeron is supposed to give you a floating feeling, like the natural movement of your body. It's quite a stiff seat. In my opinion most people buy it for it's legendary design and cool aesthetic, and they hold their value well. But in my opinion subjectively, the Leap is far more comfortable. I'd say for people over 200lbs, the Leap is a better option. I agree with another commenter that if you find yourself shifting throughout your seated time, the Leap is also more forgiving. The Aeron is designed for you to sit correctly all day and lets face it... that's not easy to do! also don't forget color options - while you can get Aeron base in a few colors, the pellicle is usually black or grey. With the Leap, the color and fabric choices are nearly endless. I've seen Leaps with Leather backs before.

[@lostsauce0]

Picked up a leap v2 like new for $300 and I love how forgiving it is. I've suffered from muscle problems from trying to maintain "correct" posture when in reality the best is frequently using your full range of motion

[@TaylorMMontgomery]

@@lostsauce0 great deal!

[@Cikflipp180]

Leap makes me sweat vs aeron which is very breathable

[@allenl9214]

I was leaning on the Aeron but the mesh seat is driving me to the Leap. I live in Canada and need warmth on my butt in cold winters xD

[@DrFearCo]

I sat in an Aeron from 2014 to 2018. As I grew in width I found that the sag in the mesh made it feel like there was a lack of support in the seat. The way the mesh bent around my thighs caused discomfort. I tried both the B and the C over the years. I did prefer the large but when I moved to a company with both steelcase and HM I found myself preferring the steelcase. I am 6’2” and weigh ~200lbs. I’d like to try the Embody but I haven’t had the opportunity to sit in it for an extended period. For my home office I just ordered a humanscale diffrient chair and got it a few days ago. So far I am happy.

[@btodtv]

Nice, thank you for the feedback. You have a lot of sitting experience, so it’s great to hear how the different brands worked for you. The Humanscale Diffrient is a solid chair. You’ve been spoiled! -GK

[@zigapauko1]

Dr Fear & Co. My boss uses the Aeron everyday for the past 5-10years, he weighs around 100kg and the mesh has 0 sag. I am 184cm and 82kg and I am using the chair now and then, mostly when he goes on vacation. I have not yet tried the leap but the Aeron is an excellent chair with 0 sag. Maybe you had a faulty unit.

[@DrFearCo]

MrPigeonAssassin no, I was complaining about how it wraps around my thighs. There is no sag while you aren’t sitting in the chair. Also, every company I have worked for stocks their offices with Aeron chairs. I know them inside and out. I’ve also sat on every version of the aeron chair and every size.

[@snekbaev]

I can relate to the thighs issue. Had Embody for almost a month - butt pain, hamstrings numbness, tickling (+some back pain). Had to throw several layers of materials on top for recover the legs as I couldn't sit on anything at all. Returned and got Aeron Remastered C to test. Having numbness in the hamstrings area which then basically goes to legs and same tickling sensation. But unlike with Embody also having numbness in the butt sitting bones area and crotch area feels like there's no blood circulation going on. Strongly feeling like will have to return... ~178cm, 86KG

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

@@snekbaev I think you got the wrong size dude, I'm sitting on an Aeron size c, but I'm 6ft & 100kg. If you get the wrong size, then you will certainly experience leg pain of some sort. I had the Mirra 2 before, and it gave me nasty thigh pain due to the seat pan being too small for me.

[@brego129]

Having used both, Steelcase Leap no contest for me. I actually really did not like the Aeron and how it felt, or the armrests which I could never get quite where I wanted.

[@someordinarydude9147]

What specifically did you like better?

[@brego129]

@@someordinarydude9147 I made it pretty clear...I like the Leap.

[@Y0Y0Y0Y0]

@@brego129 He meant, what about it made you like it better.

[@someordinarydude9147]

VAPE NATION! You honestly just need to try them out. The Aeron is a very particular type of chair. I had found out I was using an Aeron without even knowing it so I had a frame of reference to compare. I ended up buying a leap but I’m sending it back. Neither can justify their price tag to me. I mean maybe they will last forever and if that’s all you care about it will. I don’t find either exceptionally comfortable. I had sat in 150-200 dollar chairs that were nicer to my coccyx/low back than the leap was.

[@brego129]

@@someordinarydude9147 Sorry I did totally misread your initial comment. I liked the Leap's armrests and the way it tilts back. Was very comfortable for my back and arms. The Aeron on the other hand I could never get adjusted quite right to be comfortable.

[@camelCased]

My two cents from some reviews: - Aeron is good for strictly ergonomic sitting. If you try some non-standard, relaxed poses, you might find it not that comfortable. Leap is more forgiving to different sitting poses. - Leap foam might be too thin and you might start feeling the plastic below. Some companies (e.g. Crandall) offer remanufactured Leaps with thicker foam.

[@grustyn]

I got one from Crandall and still think the seat padding is too thin. The adjustments are great, but I after 30 minutes I start feel pain. I'll return it and keep searching for a good chair for myself.

[@deerlow1851]

this is the best comment, i sit weird as hell, thank you

[@mrbananaman8032]

As much as I hate the idea of sitting on the Aeron because of how sterile it feels, I never had pain using it at work for 3 years. Even when going to the gym. It forces you to sit with good posture and the mesh seat will never soften and reveal hard, painful plastic below. Just make sure you get the right size and thst your desk and monitors are at the right height. I still haven't found a good mix of an Aeron with comfortability. Breathable mesh, headrest that doesn't force your head forward in neutral position, and a comfortable, supportive back when you are relaxing.

[@grandpas2433]

hello, Herman Miller is very good for design but i prefer the Leap. the leap is for me most confortable seat of ther world and a have test so many seat befor choise the Leap.

[@btodtv]

I agree ☝️ -GK

[@FlagnarBoobz]

I recently purchased a leap v2 and asked for extra padding from the refurbishment company and although the chair has great support I've been getting an extremely numb bum to the point where it still hurts when I go to bed that night. I can't believe a chair of that price has such bad seat comfort. I'm swapping it out for the Aeron, will hopefully be better.

[@btodtv]

The extra padding doesn't resolve it for people who have seat issues. It is the curve of the seat pad that causes the discomfort. Most are okay with it, but if you're uncomfortable the Amia or Lamia is a better alternative -Greg

[@FlagnarBoobz]

@@btodtv thanks for your reply - but you don’t think the aeron is a suitable alternative?

[@ca9495]

I will go with the Aeron, thanks.

[@btodtv]

Nice. Enjoy!! -GK

[@bailey0619]

I’ve tried both, and for heavier larger people I suggest the Nightingale CXO. Much better seat cushion than the Leap. Unless your looking for mesh seat

[@holdmyown32]

They have a whole video on this channel how that chair destroyed one of their backs lol

[@Otaku_Sama]

Yeah momentary comfort ain't worth throwing out my back

[@jdykhoff]

I sell both and others but my favorite chair is leap and also like the zody.

[@btodtv]

Nice, thanks for the feedback! -GK

[@Waysif]

somehow yall had 9 aspects to compare about the chairs but you dont include on which one would your balls sweat more? clearly not on the aeron

[@MaximusPanin]

Steelcase, Duorest, Ahrend, Girsberger, Dynamobel, Haworth, Actu, Sitland, Fern, Sitag, Interstuhl, Diemme, Knoll, ICF, Sedus Stoll

[@1lapmagic]

I dunno how you expect me to watch a 15 minute video full of that jingly royalty free music.

[@jason200912]

Leap wins in every category except summer heat waves in a non air conditioned, extra humid office.

[@jombbobbo6291]

Does the end music really need to be three times louder than the video?

[@SY27196]

Lot of people and reviewers tend to think an ergonomic chair means having features and adjustment options My experience with biggest brands like aeron or steel case has not been great I mean they are good but not perfect The reason is I sat in chairs like Klober, Sedus How they are different ? They are engineered to core for ergonomics Quality materials But can't be found easily in usa

[@wrxwrx]

I mean ergonomics literally means what chair provides the most comfort while keeping good posture. Having adjustments helps with that, because we're all sized and built different. You can't make one chair fit all people without it having some sort of adjustments to fit your body type. So a part of being ergonomic must mean you have at least some sort of ability to adapt to the user. You can probably call me an Aeron fan boy, but the chair has held up fo rme for years, and there's almost no depreciation in wear I can think of. I even got mine used. M y only complaint is that the recline creaking which I'm too lazy to grease back up to fix, and the rim on the seat when I'm not in perfect posture digging into my feet / legs if I have my legs up on the seat. Other than that, I prefer the mesh (which is basically the same material they use for people who are in chairs 24/7 due to diability) over any padded seat as it'll just simply hold up better over time, and made for LONG seating sessions. I don't think the Aeron is perfect, but there have not been many chairs that'll past it for the use I put it through. I will always favor the mesh seating the Aeron provides o ver any padded seat, so unless someone else makes the a mesh chair with better seating, the Aeron is the best flawed seat there is out there fo rmyself. Ergonomically speaking.

[@ryantaylor4654]

how large were the users that tested? Was there a correlation between the size of a person and their comfort ratings of the chairs? i.e. a person around 160-180 lbs comfort ratings vs someone 240lbs+?

[@btodtv]

The heaviest male tester was about 250 lbs and 6'1". The tallest male tester was 6'3 and about 190 lbs. The Aeron's mesh seat was either really liked or the opposite. Both users that scored it in the 50's were males 6' + and 190+ lbs. The Leap's seat was liked across the board. The back on both chairs scored well, with only one user scoring below 70. This was by a female. Both chairs scored well for armrest comfort. The Leap nudged out the Aeron, likely due to the 4-way adjustable arm and wider range of adjustment. - GK

[@emilpapis93]

@@btodtv Im 220lbs at 6'3" and i have the Aeron, it took me weeks if not months to adjust to the seat. Its not soft thats for sure. But in the long run i find it great. I never have a tired ass after using this chair. Not all will have my endurance though. I think the general consensus is that the heavier and less fat on your ass you have(ie tall muscular guys) will have a less comfortable experience. I do also fear those people tried a small version. I got the B first and it was simply too small for me.

[@robertcampbell8027]

I owned an office furniture dealership until a few years ago. I had two reactions to this video. The first was kind of nostalgic seeing these chairs presented. They are, in fact, both high quality products from respected manufacturers and a user couldn’t make a bad choice. Secondly, it struck me again how devastating Covid19 has been and is likely to continue to be on the commercial real estate and office furniture industries.

[@btodtv]

Thanks for sharing! -GK

[@zac8670]

I would think that working from home meant more people having to buy office furniture for their home. Still, not sure if that compares to large office purchases.

[@colettemazlack9566]

Commercial Real Estate SHOULD take a nose dive, we do not need to work in the office. Office spaces like shopping malls need to go the way of the dodo. I think most of the "people miss the office" posts are by real estate agents wanting to get rent.

[@BookClubDisaster]

I'm not sure. I think more people working from home might splurge on an expensive chair they never would have considered before. I just bought a Leap--which my office has had for years. Could never have justified the price before.

[@kgal1298]

@@colettemazlack9566 Yeah also Herman Miller had more sales during covid because we all still needed office chairs to work from home. They still got the orders it was just they weren't one massive order. And I say this because I work for a furniture company now and nothing can beat those pandemic levels especially for office furniture.

[@TheEricShen]

Found a HM Aeron Size C at a Goodwill Store for $19.99. Cha Ching!

[@ownage722]

holy shit

[@Osprey1994]

Sure you did.

[@TheEricShen]

OspreyBravo18 Why would I lie?

[@alexworm1707]

@@TheEricShen don't know, please do tell us, cause it seems like a thing to lie how little did someone paid for their aeron.

[@karenpeterson8814]

I've had the Leap chair for 17 years. Just purchased the Herman Miller Aeron; still working to find the right settings. Thank you for your review.

[@btodtv]

You’re welcome! What made you decide to switch to the Aeron vs the Leap v2? -GK

[@karenpeterson8814]

@@btodtv I sat in an Aeron for a week during business travel a couple years ago. I've wanted on ever since. I found a great deal @ $448.00 for the Aeron. I will keep my older Leap for our home office, it's still comfortable however the chair pad has lost it's support over the years.

[@karenpeterson8814]

@@btodtv I am having difficulty however trying to get the arm rests to pivot, any suggestions?

[@btodtv]

You have the remastered version? Or do you have the classic? -GK

[@karenpeterson8814]

@@btodtv It's the classic

[@PaulCypert]

What's the make up of the 9? Because if its widely varied from small folks to big folks and you're using one Aeron, that's not really how the chair is designed...so user's being hot or cold to it makes sense. If a C chair user is in an A they're not going to like it... Also no mention of ventilation/cleaning? If you live/work anyplace hot or have larger legs...good luck with padded seats...

[@watagump1]

I preferred the Aeron when I tried both. But since I was buying used, I went with the Leap, the price difference made it an easy choice.

[@piotr9914]

how are you find ing the leap? im sitting in one right now and the top of the back rest stabs my shoulder blades hard. lol. I'm getting an Aeron size C

[@watagump1]

@@piotr9914 I had a Leap V1, now I have a V2. I tried the Aeron again and honestly don't care for it any longer. I didn't get to try a Gesture, but I even tried the Embody, both of those are higher priced than the Leaps. My Leap V2 was gray fabric with black p[arts, now its blue fabric with some nickel colored and blacks colored parts, it looks REALLY good now. The thing I don't care for with the V2 is it seems the armrests are either smaller in width or not as far out as the V1, so my elbows are on the far outside of them. Leaps do come in a plus size, so maybe that would work over a size C Aeron, something to look into.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

@@watagump1 Leap v2 is for really big ppl lol, it's wider than the Aeron size c.

[@hzach3]

great channel for chair reviews!

[@ingridguevara2549]

I have bought over 100 leap chairs for our office and have loved my Aeron chair which I have had in my home office for over 15 years

[@btodtv]

Both are amazing chairs. Buying over 100 should get you some type of office cred! -GK

[@mr.noname9416]

What's your height if I may ask? looks like the Aeron B fits your well. I just cannot decide between the B and C size and I do not have a nearby dealer to test them out.

[@XxAlexanderProxx]

I can’t decide!!!!!! I think I just going to flip a coin and make the order already.

[@btodtv]

Personal preference, but I prefer the Leap over the Aeron. That is the general consensus in our office as well. So the Leap will likely be the safer bet. If you buy from a retailer with a no restocking fee and free return program, you don’t have to be too concerned with a big financial investment if you don’t like it - GK

[@tomb8835]

This is the review that should come up when people search either of these chairs. Very well done, thank you.

[@btodtv]

Thanks for the kind words, Tom! Thank you for watching! -TK

[@grustyn]

I got a Steelcase Leap V2 from Crandall and the chair adjustments are great, but the seat padding is way too thin, even with the 3/4" addition in the remanufacturing process. After 30 minutes I start feeling pain. You can feel the hardware and it feels like you're sitting in a rock. Not sure if I can do something about it, like addong more cushion, otherwise I'll return it and keep searching for a good chair.

[@lamarthe_headcrab7687]

Shitty question, but how much do you weight ?

[@xboxgamerz22]

Yes me too

[@goose1752]

I was fully committed to the aeron but your video makes me doubt, great info btw!

[@user-xk9um6fj3m]

The Leap is made in Mexico and the build quality is terrible.

[@lmitt12]

can you rock as much in the Leap as you can in Aeron? Can you please put someone small (5"4 in your next video) and see how they move in the LEAP? as it is one of the recommended model chairs for petite people. Thank you

[@cyanos3]

Thank you for this review! Are you able to disclose the heights and genders of the people you tested?

[@rapaent]

Thanks for this video. I'd like to know what chair you would recommend for tailbone pain for computer use? I'd like to add, it doesn't necessarily need to be between the two your showing here in your video. I tried the Steelcase Series 1 which didn't really help. I'm sure it was due to the shape of the seat, plus it was somewhat hard. I would sincerely appreciate your help. Thanks again. 👍😊

[@bannuchelsea]

Did u get an answer ?

[@FriendlyPCGamers]

The way those companies fool people by over charging like 60-70% extra money by telling lies about ergonomics.

[@Nathan5791]

The Aeron is OVERRATED. We have both in our office and everyone picks the leap and you'll see conference rooms with all the Aeron without butts in them. The mesh might 'keep you cool' but it is the most uncomfortable weird seat design I've ever seen. The bucket like design means those plastic sides dig into you if you like to sit with one leg under you or cross legged. For developers who spend 6-8 hours in them, they are so uncomfortable to sit on for a long time. Also, the back of the Leap is so much better. Get the Leap. It is cheaper and more ergonomic.

[@MetalPirate]

Good to hear, I just ordered a Leap for me and the wife since both of our chairs are cheaper and not in great shape. Plus it was total of $1000 less after tax than the Aeron or Embody would have been.

[@Nathan5791]

@@MetalPirate You won't regret it. It is sadly out of my price range and I wish I could just get one from work as no one is using them right now. But you can easily sit in them for a good 6-8 hours with no issues.

[@patrickb4750]

I completely disagree with this. We had Aeron's throughout our post production facility and you could easily sit in them for over 8+ hours without any issues at all, and I was there for over 12 years! It's only since I left that my back issues have started after a few years at a new company, so I'm looking into purchasing my own Aeron. They're the go to chair in media production, VFX and animation, I see them all the time where people are glued to computers for 99% of the day (including myself lol).

[@Nathan5791]

​@@patrickb4750 I never questioned Aeron's comfort for long hours if you sit in ONE POSITION. Aeron has a weird plastic lip in the front and a sink mesh where you can't sit squatted on it or even with one leg tucked under your other thigh which is a common position at least for developers. I hate sitting in 1 position for 8 hours and like to move around a bit. The Leap V2 has a flat base which allows any style and hence Leap > Aeron. Also, the armrest on the Leap are so much better and customizable. I feel you guys might have not used the Leap V2 yet and yeah in a vacuum, Aeron is a great chair but as soon as a Leap comes in the equation, 9/10 prefer it.

[@patrickb4750]

​@@Nathan5791 'Sink mesh'? 'bucket design'? I had an Aeron for years and the mesh never sank or be thought of as a bucket shape. By 'weird front lip' I assume you mean the flat front part of the frame, which 99% of mesh-based chairs have, and I've never noticed it whilst sat anyways. Have you actually sat it one for a long period? Plus ergonomically you should never sit cross-legged, and I've never seen any editor, animator, designer or vfx artist sit cross-legged at their desk whilst working, that's a quick-fire way to long-term back and leg problems. I might tuck my legs under the chair and cross my ankles, but crossed thighs? Never seen it or would recommend it. Armrests have never really mattered to me other than perhaps during a meeting, Aerons have both vertical and horizontal rotational movement, not sure what else you would need. You said '...they are so uncomfortable to sit on for a long time', which I'm responding to, and it's totally untrue if you sit in your chair properly, there's a reason why Aeron's are the most popular task chair of all time.

[@aldoggo]

Why am I watching this... I already got an Aeron 😂 I love my new chair tough...

[@dianekiko4504]

What did you get? Looking for a new chair.

[@aldoggo]

Diane Kiko I got the Aeron Chair

[@Alex2K]

Aeron is top tier

[@sam5605]

@@aldoggo hows your experience with aeron so far

[@limwowo5902]

yeah hows aeron after a year

[@triggertrigger734]

Hi BTOD After seeing the reviews I am more inclined towards Leap V2 from SteelCase. But you never mentioned about how they accommodate Tall People ? I am 6'4" 210lbs and need to know if Leap V2 would be comfortable for me ? Since Aeron has size C but Leap has just 1 size I am a bit skeptical. I compared the seat heights from specs and they both compare to be almost same (Leapv2 and Aeron C). Badly need one immediately due to WFH now. Appreciate your response.

[@btodtv]

You should be able to fit in the Leap v2 comfortably. The only thing I would verify is that the seat height is comfortable for you at or around max height. The Leap is more adjustable than the Aeron, which is why they are able to fit more people in the standard chair. Steelcase does have a Leap plus available, but I don’t believe you would require that at only 210 lbs. -GK

[@triggertrigger734]

@@btodtv Thank you very much GK for quick response. Yes I don't think I need Leap Plus as I am not that bulky. Also, I am planning to go with a head rest with Leap V2. Hope it helps me along with having the seat at max height setting. Any experience for you personally with a headrest in Leap V2 ? (missing in your review). It adds an additional ~$160+. Or can I wait and order it separate if I need it after checking out the chair without it ?

[@kazumakazuma5814]

I wish you could buy a leap v2 in germany :/

[@BookClubDisaster]

I cannot understand paying that much for a mesh chair.

[@QuadraQuack]

Just ordered an Aeron size C and hope I like it. Tried the Leap v2 first and the seat is really hard. Very little padding. I bottomed out and was in pain pretty quickly. Felt like I was sitting on a brick after a couple hours. I'm overweight to be sure at 5'10" 260 lbs but I'm not really that unusual in terms of size. I was very disappointed in the leap and would give the seat a comfort score of 2/10. (And yes I had everything adjusted exactly as they say with 2" of space between my inner knees and the edge of the chair.)

[@alexworm1707]

Dude, youre way past overweight, youre lvl 2 obese....

[@xboxgamerz22]

Yes leap seat suck

[@_fesh]

How's the Aeron treating ya?

[@FlagnarBoobz]

@@_fesh yeah how is the aeron? answer us!

[@brianrice1492]

My last Herman Miller fell apart after 5 years so I went with the leap. I’m not a fan of the mesh either….looks cheap.

[@AZ-ts1qy]

Herman Miller has a HORRIBLE return policy, just the 10% restocking fee is insane ( $100) will be your minimum cost for not having any chair

[@btodtv]

The restocking fee excludes their Performance Seating, so the Aeron would not have the restocking fee. -RB

[@bobsimmons1470]

This is the weirdest reason to keep my Aeron but I find throughout the day sometimes I'll sit at the very edge and I'm concerned if I got the leap version 2 I couldn't do this

[@julla1416]

Do the arms of the Leap move all over the place when your elbows are resting on them, or do they lock in place?

[@btodtv]

There is quite a bit of tension in the arms. They shouldn’t move all over without you trying to move them. Used models will vary. -GK

[@julla1416]

@@btodtv Thank you!

[@Loooooooooooooooool]

I sit incorrectly. I usually put one of my legs under the other sort of like half cross-legged. I feel like the leap will be better than the aeron for me because of this? Anyone sit in these chairs in the way I've described? I really don't want to regret my decision when buying such an expensive chair.

[@Cyrilcynder1]

Sitting in the aeron that was sucks. The edges of the seats dig into your legs and it's just plain uncomfortable. I used to have an aeron chair where I worked and I strait up couldn't do it. I'm getting the leap chair for this very reason I also had an epiphany type moment that my cats will shred tf out of the mesh, so theres that too haha

[@Loooooooooooooooool]

@@Cyrilcynder1 I bought a leap. It was from ebay from some refurbisher, listing was a little sketchy and they had a few bad reviews but the chair came quickly and is in good good condition. It's a V1 so old but steel. Cost $300 so I'm happy overall as long as it last a few years. I was going through a chair every year and a half or so and I was spending 100-200 for them.

[@Cyrilcynder1]

@@Loooooooooooooooool I'm getting a leap chair from a refurbished site. It's a bit more expensive, but the quality is more guaranteed. I don't wanna buy and expensive chair and have it be broken in some wacky way. Or squeek like hell. Or whatever. They are still like half price refurbished d, and $560 or so is still pretty spendy, but it will be worth it to me.

[@tigerwalms]

What is the 'larger chair' you refer to in this video, is there a bigger version of the Leap?

[@marcelbeaudoin3886]

It's called the "Leap Plus" - Hope that helps!

[@1337pudding]

I have a steelcase leap V2 & I love it but, my butt sometimes gets sore from sitting for extended period of times even when I'm getting up and stretching every hour. Any recommendations on other chairs I should try or maybe just adding a seat pad?

[@btodtv]

Sitting for extended periods in any chair can be tough. Are you finding that you slouch? Which tends to put pressure on the tailbone? If so, I would work on better posture, more breaks and potentially looking at a sit to stand desk. They allow you to work sitting and standing, which is the best setup - GK

[@1337pudding]

@@btodtv I don't really slouch my posture has definitely improved since using the leap. I also try to use my standing desk for a few hours a day at work. It's worth mentioning I did bust my tailbone about a year ago and that seems to be where the pain is generated from. It just feels like the seat doesn't offer enough cushion and I bottom out, but I'm only 145lbs. I usually sit on one of those donut cushions to to relieve pressure but they kind of ruin the ergonomics of the chair when sitting on one.

[@btodtv]

Sorry to hear that. Sitting with a healing tailbone can be a tricky problem to find a solution for. The standing desk probably gives the most relief. Alternatively, you could look for a chair with the Coccyx cutout, to help reduce the pressure to the tailbone. I'm not sure super thick pad will help. Each individual is different, so these can be hard things to diagnose without getting an opportunity to try the chairs. - GK

[@donaldncao]

I had the same exact issue and purchased the purple seat cushion. The issue with cushions on the leap is that it slides off very very easy, and doesn’t sit too well because the leap does have the open gap between the seat and the back. Just purchased an aeron

[@1337pudding]

@@donaldncao the seat cushion I use is fine it doesn't slide off at all, the problem is it's very thick and thus the seating position becomes kinda weird. I just picked up an old used Aeron for free, it only has tension adjustment and up down adjustment but it seems to be better than the leap. I really prefer the leap in every aspect ergonomically besides the seat cushion, if it were a mesh cushion I think it'd be an amazing chair.

[@grassIand]

No wonder Leap is better for daily use, Aeron is more classic and better looking, But I went with Aeron for this reason because I'm a designer :>

[@btodtv]

Nice. Honestly, it really just depends on the person for overall comfort as well. Glad you found something you like! -GK

[@alexworm1707]

You're a shitty designer then lmao.

[@vladmorevlad2232]

The real value is in the comments not in the video

[@kralljazz]

Adj. lumbar support like my Ford F-150 all i need to talk about here Thanx!

[@btodtv]

You're welcome! -GK

[@fireite605]

I have both, I love my Steelcase more.

[@jason200912]

Aeron needs mesh tightening knob so badly. That mesh wears out and sags eventually

[@YexnyXD]

ok, but why tf does it cost so much lol. They both look like every other normal $20 chair your teacher in middle school had lol

[@btodtv]

I guess looks can be deceiving then 😎 -GK

[@zac8670]

R&D, premium materials, better warranty, name brand, manufacturing location. Not having the chair fall apart within 1-2 years that is also better for posture, basically. That all said, I remember school chairs in elementary through high school that were basically built in the war times or something. All metal ffs.

[@GruppeSechs]

Jay, don't you have some RLM videos you should be editing right now?

[@milk_bath]

LOL

[@Martaine70]

Hi some reviewers said the Leap is "clicky" or makes a noise when moving forward from leaning back...I am sensitive to such noises, can anyone confirm if it is indeed clicky? Many thanks

[@btodtv]

I think these types of sounds are common across almost all office chairs. If you plan to recline a lot in any chair there is a good chance you’ll experience some creaking, squeaking and/or clicking sounds over time. Some chairs are more noisy than others, but in my opinion the Leap doesn’t have sounds that are annoying while using in it the office -GK

[@asultani123]

"Hey Guys, Greg with B Taaad TV" 🤣

[@bkeberle]

Feel like yall should be up front about selling Leaps but not Aerons just saying

[@btodtv]

We actually sell refurbished Leaps and Aerons now. When the video was made, we didn’t sell either -GK

[@RickKotlarz]

Thank you for providing this comparison and review for these two chairs!

[@btodtv]

You’re welcome! Are you leaning towards either one? -GK

[@maximusaurelius7306]

Great informative review, thanks for sharing!

[@btodtv]

You're welcome! Glad you found it helpful. - GK

[@ca9495]

Herman Miller is by FAR the BEST chair on the market!!!!

[@epicskylegend7501]

Herman Miller is a company, not a chair lol. Also the answer to who makes better chairs is subjective.

[@limwowo5902]

herman miller chairs are good only for people who wanna sit 90'.

[@abdoulbarry8111]

I want the human scale. what you think of it haha

[@btodtv]

Which one? -GK

[@darlahpotechin1668]

are you paid by leap

[@ParagPandit]

Boxed into 2 of the most expensive chairs, but the review is as honest as it gets. 👍

[@saidatennen1970]

Herman Miller, especially Aeron model focus only on marketing and advertisement, not on the chairs. Only affiliations recommend them. Steelcase makes reail chairs.

[@Shawizzlegaming]

Where do you find that back pad support for the Aeron chair.

[@goldent4655]

Is the Leap chair gets hot in the summer?

[@btodtv]

I don't think it is bad, but it won't be as breathable as a mesh chair -GK

[@ezrawilson6986]

Great information, thanks!

[@btodtv]

Thank you! Glad you found it helpful. - GK

[@bluematrix5001]

what is the best brand and model for somebody with back problems??

[@btodtv]

I wish it were that simple! It all depends on the individual and where they need the most support. We have a ton of lists for “most comfortable chairs “best for lower back pain” I’d suggest checking those out to get a better idea -GK

[@scwep8036]

Oh, this is where Jason Bourne's twin brother went.

[@btodtv]

Not where you expected him to be? Putting out high-end office chair comparisons - GK

[@xboxgamerz22]

Leap v2 suck

[@andywong3782]

Do these product ship to Australia?

[@crazyeyecarl]

I'm not sure if this is fair. You're comparing a chair that fits everyone to a chair that sells in different sizes. Instead of letting them try the Aeron that might fit their frame better, it seems like you're having them all try the Size B. I doubt anyone would buy all 3, but for private ownership people would buy the one that fits them best. You can't leave that out of a review.

[@btodtv]

Greg talks about this for about 2 mins of the video starting at about 5:45. -RB

[@jamessteadman4108]

Wow the leap base model is now $1,672.00

[@btodtv]

What country are you in? -GK

[@SJTXIII]

Do refurbished leap chairs keep the manufacturer warranty?

[@btodtv]

No, the original Steelcase warranty is non-transferable. We provide our own 12 year warranty that uses our components -GK

[@kikilol9138]

It

[@mariuslayus00]

The Aeron's mesh cushioning is great for hot summers or long sitting times. Also I don't have to worry about fecal blow through.

[@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear]

It has some space under the mesh for fan air going through as well! Need to find small fan to go under it.

[@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear]

Actually I don't like the aeron anymore I'm returning it. My $200 executive chair is way more comfortable. I felt discomfort within a hour with aeron.

[@mathewthomas3359]

Great comparison! Is there a comparison video of leap vs embody?

[@btodtv]

Thanks! We do not have a video on the comparison, but we do have a blog post that compares the Leap v2 and Embody. -TK bit.ly/2OBDTzQ

[@mathewthomas3359]

@@btodtv Oh nice. Thanks for the link.

[@sunday.76]

I have an Herman Miller Aeron and a Steelcase leap v2. I use both in my music studio. My chair needs to be quite for recording purposes and comfortable. My Aeron has developed a slight squeak when tilting forward and back caused by the plastic mechanism cover. I really think that is the most poorly designed part of the Aeron. It flexes and can cause noise over time. I’ve tried fixing with lubricant etc nothing has worked. I like both of these chairs. However I find the leap v2 a little more comfortable maybe because it fits my body shape a little better. My Aeron is size B. I recently also tried a human scale freedom at a friends studio. An excellent chair and I say another excellent contender with these two.

[@btodtv]

Thank you for your feedback on both chairs. It's unfortunate, but even the best built chairs will develop squeaks and creeks over time. I agree, the Freedom is another solid option. I sat in the that for an extended period of time. My personal favorite and daily driver is the Leap v2 -GK