Premium Office Chairs for Less - Herman Miller Embody VS Steelcase Leap V2

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I did it! I finally upgraded my chair. After looking for months, I settled on the Leap V2 and the Herman Miller Embody. Premium Chairs like the Leap V2 and the Herman Miller Embody can be VERY expensive. Lucky for you, I already did the research and I’m sharing what I’ve learned in this video. I also wanted to share the pros/cons of both chairs so hopefully you can make a better decision.
Let me know in the comments below, which one you prefer. The Leap V2 or the Herman Miller Embody?
Disclaimers: I am not an expert chair reviewer. I am simply sharing my experience with both chairs. Which, admittedly, is very limited.
Also, I looked into buying from FB Marketplace and other similar platforms, but I wanted to have peace of mind. If it's truly something I would use for years to come, I didn't want to settle.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:42 Disclaimer
2:05 HM Embody for less
4:07 Leap V2 for less
4:36 Who is Crandall Office Furniture?
5:59 Design Comparison
6:40 Durability
6:56 Comfort Comparison
7:22 Comfort: Embody Pros and Cons
8:44 Comfort: Leap V2 Pros and Cons
9:57 Arm Rest Difference
10:31 Final thoughts + How I use both
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[@JonImperial]

Which chair do you prefer? The Steelcase Leap V2 or the Herman Miller Embody?

[@iHustleLXXXI]

I was looking at the Leap V2 but I went with the HM Logitech Embody chair instead 4 months ago and I have nothing but great things to say about the chair. I love everything about the Logitech Embody chair! But I think I’m also going to get the Leap V2 or the Gesture or both! Lol.

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

@@iHustleLXXXI had an embody at my last job. Thinking of buying a used leap v2 cuz of price. Why are you thinking of getting leap v2 if you have the embody?

[@c28.]

The Herman miller chairs come with a 12 year warranty. So basically you’re paying $125 a year for a warranty that covers everything. To me that’s worth it. And the benefits of an ergonomic chair are even better.

[@brego129]

Leap V2 - also 12 year warranty.

[@buschtyy]

Both Chairs are awesome and the best office chairs u can get. If u need a headrest i would go for the embody. In my opinion its also the better design.

[@MichaelSoledad]

Very informative! Thanks for sharing, Jon!

[@JonImperial]

Thanks, Michael! 😁

[@andrewcowie6436]

Love the videos man! Keep em up! You've helped me so much!

[@JonImperial]

I’m glad to hear that! 😁

[@chilenozo]

Same here, I got my Embody from my local HM dealer for 400 less than the HM online price. They also had fabric samples so I saw and felt live the options I had for fabrics. They had also better understanding of the lead time than the HM website. I was lucky they were getting a new chair for the show room so I got that one, so no waiting time for me! And as a side effect, is that I get to meet the people that can repair it or process warranties or issues I may have in the future with the chair. So far I had the Embody for 8 months and quite happy with it!

[@Ed-ch4wq]

Really great video! I have both leap V2 and HM Embody as well and agree with lots of your points. Personally I like the embody more because of the flexible back, the superb back support, and it feels less stuffy than the leap V2. If there is anything I like the Leap V2 over the Embody, then that would be the arms. I sometime like to pivot the arms backwards or diagonal depending on what I am doing. The embody arms is... well, for the price point could definitely do a lot better. Once atlas comes out with the headrest for the embody it will be the end game chair. Now given the after market price point I would definitely pay that extra for the Embody as I could sit long hours on it. The leap can be a bit tight at times, but it's miles ahead of the previous chairs I own.

[@halaldunya918]

What do you think about using recliners for setups? Office and gaming chairs don't feel good. Doesn't matter the value and build quality.

[@JonImperial]

Idk about that. I can see it for gaming but even then, depending on the game, I like to sit upright. 😂

[@Snow1e]

Leap v2 has WAY more adjustments, you don't get lumbar support with the Embody which is huge for some, the arm rest like you've mentioned is also huge. I think your review is bias towards the asthestic and it's a bit misleading.

[@JonImperial]

Adjustments does not necessarily equal comfort. I am not bias at all. The embody felt more comfortable to me.. that’s all. This was a year or two ago and I still feel the same way. I wonder if a non-remanufactured Leap would feel any different. 🤔

[@mousec2600]

The Embody offers amazing lumbar support. Talk about misleading. And his issues with the armrests are due to him doing something wrong.

[@henrypierce8010]

I am leaning towards the Leap V2 with headrest. Thanks for sharing.

[@theNecksLevel]

I will say I've heard the headreest for the leap is very poor. It looks like it pushes your head too far forward, and there's no adjustability on it.

[@Tephnos]

@@theNecksLevel That's actually preferable. If you're sitting upright when tasking properly then your head should be proud of the headrest, your shoulders should not touch the backrest. Then when reclining it will keep your head elevated to properly look at your screen.

[@Tech9er]

Great review of the chairs! How did you get the custom logo on your Leap?

[@GameFirst]

why btod show steelcase original from Mexico? not US.

[@j.aaronhoward4473]

What a great video. Thanks, John. Both chairs look fantastic. I like the look of the Embody. For me though, I'm 6'8" so I'd go with the longer seat cushion to support the full length of my daddy-long-legs. Which seat cushion is longer, John?

[@JonImperial]

I think it’s the herman miller.

[@xboxgamerz22]

@@JonImperial embody suck

[@heru2336]

Good luck & keep it up brother❤️🍻 What is that plant🌱❤️

[@Bbhhhhj]

I have both and love my Embody so much.

[@hayzbb]

Awesome video and great coverage of the products. If you are watching this video please stop sitting on your crap chair and invest in HM, Steelcase, Haworth, etc. Your back will thank you! I do have a couple points to follow up on: while I prefer the embody over the leap (unless gaming) -- I want to clarify that the Leap has more adjustments than the embody while you state the opposite. The embody has one adjustment knob "back fit" and it does not allow you to to change the lumbar specifically. Instead you have to adjust the whole back at once and hope that the amount of lumbar you receive is in line with your preference for the amount of upper back support. The leap lets you position the lumbar specifically as well as adjust the firmness of the lumbar. The leap also has 4 way adjustable arms compared to just width adjustable on the embody. The 4 way adjustable arms will also slide inwards and outwards which means they are width adjustable which you state against in the video. The embody is definitely a sexier chair and comes off has "higher quality" due to its wild components but generally speaking the leap will be easier to find a fit and suited for more people in my opinion. The Embody is a Sports car and the Leap is a Toyota 4runner.

[@JonImperial]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@whyimustusemyrealname3801]

holy moly that is massive difference between online and retail price

[@chilenozo]

Another pro with my local HM dealer: I got to demo the chair for about 2 weeks, without commitments and for free.

[@JonImperial]

That’s awesome

[@samirwin6164]

Hi! I live in Alaska too and was just wondering who the local dealer was that you used? Thanks!

[@JonImperial]

Hey man! Message me on Instagram. @jonimperial

[@samirwin6164]

@@JonImperial Awesome, will do, thank you!

[@thinkscott22]

I absolutely loved your review. It was quite informative. However, as a gamer, I tend to cross my legs, kick one leg under the other, or kick my heels all the way up to my butt to where there are on the seat as well at times. My question is it possible to do these things without losing comfort or lack of space? I would suggest showing this test in future videos as I am sure I am not the only one that sits this way, or alternates to these multiple positions throughout a session. Thanks again for the awesome review!

[@JonImperial]

I can do that more comfortably with the Embody! 😁 I can’t see myself doing those with the leap. Mainly coz of the width.

[@thinkscott22]

@@JonImperial Ooh. I just ordered the Leap. I guess I will find out this Friday. I have always had cheaper $200 and under chairs. Maybe just the quality and mechanisms alone will sell me.

[@JonImperial]

@@thinkscott22 Keep me posted! let me know what you think!

[@thinkscott22]

Got the chair in. It is quite more comfortable than I expected. I can cross and pretzel my legs which is a must for my gaming sessions. My only con so far is I do not see a way to lock the back laying down. Just the 5 lock stoppers for leaning back, not actually locking positions which sucks. Otherwise a solid upgrade for me from a old $140 no name leather chair. I do have to warn people with any type of hips problems to avoid this chair. Less than an hour into my session both my hips were in terrible pain. I really struggled to sleep afterwards. Awesome chair. Just not for hip people.

[@matsudakodo]

@@thinkscott22 are you still using the chair? Did you find a solution to the hip issue?

[@bendirval3612]

I have both. I hate that the leap armrests don't move with you when you lean back. Love the embody in this respect. Better armrests in every way. But I still prefer the leap overall for the cushion and adjustability of the back support. Basically the opposite of what you said.

[@jackwong3626]

I tried the Aeron Remastered, Embody and Leap V2. Picked the Embody as that's the chair that I can spend the longest time sitting without getting back pain. What fabric did you pick?

[@JonImperial]

I picked the rhythm. I’m not sure if I made the right choice. Lol. What did you get?

[@jackwong3626]

@@JonImperial I got the sync :)

[@JonImperial]

@@jackwong3626 that’s what I would’ve chosen I think but it’s all good haha.

[@chilenozo]

@@JonImperial I also got the rhythm, it’s the cheapest, and the chair was at the dealer for immediate pickup. I would have had to wait months to get the one with a Medley fabric I originally wanted. So far I like the black rhythm I got!

[@xboxgamerz22]

@@jackwong3626 embody is bad

[@bikesandfamily3082]

real good video. liked for the video. more power to you. quick question. whats your height and is embody fits your height? thanks

[@JonImperial]

Thank you. The embody fits most people. I know of people who are shorter and taller 6 footers using it.

[@zleipnirgoh5972]

Nope. I tried asking my local dealer in Singapore. Similar price and more expensive than the price online. HM dun ship internationally anyway, so suck thumb. Logitech embody not launching in my country yet. So I managed to get a reseller to import one in.

[@JonImperial]

Man! That is a bummer.

[@lystic9392]

I abuse my chairs quite a bit so it needs to be very sturdy.

[@jonmsfts]

Which chair is better to sit in a solid 90 degree angle without any recline?

[@JonImperial]

The HM Embody! No question. After using both for a while, I think it’s not even close.

[@jonmsfts]

@@JonImperial thanks for replying man. I'm coming from a secret lab omega. This chair allows me to sit at a 95-100 degree angle. I'm hoping the embody can do the same, despite reading some reddit reviews

[@zackmin2min876]

What dealer did you get it from?

[@JonImperial]

It’s a local dealer in my city.

[@omgitsrawz933]

Called a retailer for Herman Miller and they said they all had to charge the same as HM website is...

[@JonImperial]

Bummer.

[@Beautiful_liar]

A retailer is different from a authorized dealer

[@Dr.Smelly]

While I have sat on the embody for like 3 weeks I have only sat in the leap for like 10 minutes. The embody is a wonderful chair but is uncomfortable. So I cannot recommend the embody to people and neither the leap. My fern gets delivered tomorrow so hopefully that’s better than both!

[@JonImperial]

Hmm. I can agree with your assesment with the leap. It’s not for everyone. The embody though? I disagree.

[@Dr.Smelly]

@@JonImperial smh the fern is not for me either. Maybe high end chairs just don’t fit my awful posture😂

[@xboxgamerz22]

@@Dr.Smelly exactly em odyssey is uncomfortable

[@KICKLoneWolf]

you are doing something wrong when you adjust the arms. you are suppose to pull up slightly then its way smoother.

[@regenosis]

Am I the only one that thinks Embody looks really quite...ugly? Subjective I know, but I feel like I'm alone in this and most people I talk to think they look "elegant" which isn't a word I'd use. The spine design looks like it's trying too hard to be "epic"? Doesn't quite match Jon's more subtle and sophisticated looking dark setups imo.

[@JonImperial]

I can see why you're saying that. I respect that opinion. I do think other chairs would complement the space more, but the comfort of this chair is top notch.

[@RassmusRoengen]

Its about 1800 dollar as cheapest in norway :)

[@JonImperial]

Ouch! That’s crazy.

[@Ghost_in_the_machineworks]

I had the Embody..... Sold it after a week. As a tall person 6-6" I found the upper back support incorrect and lacking, it actually caused me discomfort. If you are shorter, it may be great, but for tall people like me.... NOPE.

[@JonImperial]

That's good to know. I know of some 6'-0"+ people that like it. Chairs are really hard to recommend. There's not one solution for everyone.

[@silverbackag9790]

Lol..my area. Herman Miller said fuck the entire US Midwest. We don’t have no fancy chairs here unless ya count ma’s rocker on the front porch. Apparently anyway.

[@JonImperial]

Yikes. Sorry about that. 😬

[@petchjantorn8022]

Hello sorry im late :(

[@JonImperial]

Haha. It’s all good

[@mrhumdy5573]

They are refunded products or demo product or something like that they are not always brand new and they wont have warranty, however, it is a great deal and with HM you usually wont need the warranty.

[@JonImperial]

Wrong. They are brand new, manufactured a few weeks before I got it. Also, it has 12 year warranty.

[@mrhumdy5573]

@@JonImperial I never heard such a thing, what is the name of the dealer? I live in Florida and DWR dealer here sells it for the exact price but they do not have warranty. And DWR stores are owned by Herman Miller.

[@JonImperial]

@@mrhumdy5573 weird. I spec’d it out myself so it’s custom built. Warranty warranty one of the things I checked. I have it registered and everything too.

[@mrhumdy5573]

@@JonImperial what is the name of the Dealer? can we do the same? Did you possibly get sponsored by them so it was cheaper for you?

[@JonImperial]

@@mrhumdy5573 nope. They didn’t even know I was doing a video. I didn’t intend to make a video. Just look for an authorized dealer in your area and try to contact them. Mine was a local dealer here in Alaska.

[@artistryartistry7239]

You're not sponsored by them but your entire video is a sloppy wet love kiss to this crandall company. Let me quote you: I had the pleasure of meeting and working with David Crandall. I love their company. I think they're doing the right thing. I love what they stand for." You then literally do a marketing insert for their company (after they gave you a free chair), and then you're all like: don't worry guys, you can trust me to be objective and unbiased here. Lol. Yeah. Right. You used the word "Love" in terms of describing your feelings about this company more than people say it to their significant others in a day. Why the hell would anyone believe that you're not absolutely interested in pleasing this company and forming a profitable or valuable relationship with them? This whole thing is ridiculous. Stop being a shill and just do reviews. Or no one is going to trust a word you say. And why should they?

[@JonImperial]

Here we go..🤦🏽‍♂️Ok.. bro.. If you keep looking for something you want to see, even if it’s not there, you’ll find it. I don’t think you know how things like this work. Let me educate you a bit. 1.) “Sponsored” means they have control of the video (ie. whatever I say, show, etc.). They had no input whatsoever in this video. I seriously had a good experience with it, “love” the sustainability aspect of what they do. I love the service so that’s what I’m going to say in the video. I don’t care if you believe it or not. I’m not making a personal video for you. 2.) There are no affiliate links, commissions or anything in my links. What do you think I would get? Another chair? I’m not collecting chairs here. Since you’re the expert, maybe you can give me an advice here. 3.) Believe it or not, there are a ton of products sent/offered to me that I either sent back or said no to because I didn’t like something about it. If I took all the products/money offered to me I’d make more money than being selective. 4.) I am doing more than just a chair review. I am reviewing a service and also sharing how people can get these chairs for less. You seem to confuse those 2. There are overlaps but it’s not entirely the same. It’s a Steelcase chair remanufactured by Crandall. Next time you comment, just actually know what you are talking about because you sound ignorant. Thanks for the engagement! 👊🏾

[@vloneseraph]

did the seat pan of your embody seem hard at first?

[@JonImperial]

Hmm… I don’t think so. I wouldn’t describe it as “hard”.