Persona 3 Portable - Secret Boss Elizabeth (No Commentary)

[@РоманСафаров-д8й]

I'm not sure guys, but think that she has chosen.

[@Theblecquetzal]

How to access this fight?

[@shubo2073]

​@@TheblecquetzalAccept Request #55 and get to the top of Monad.

[@dorian6093]

​@@TheblecquetzalNG+ Right side of Tartarus you can see "Heaven's door" reach the top and she will be there but you need to accept her quest first which is to "defeat the ultimate opponent"

[@suave605]

⁠@@dorian6093you do not need ng+

[@ragingstorm_]

@@suave605then how ?

[@waltuh-bi6gw]

Elizabeth: Stop blocking my Megidolaon, please. Kotone: Well then, you should stop SPAMMING it. (Edit: sorry)

[@CertifiedAdachiLover]

Ermmm the Female Protagonists canon name is Kotone Shiomi actually

[@Tidemkeit]

@@CertifiedAdachiLover 🤓🤓🤓uhhhhhhhh akshuallyyyyy🤓🤓🤓 Every protag name from other media is canon, so it only depends on your preference. Also, nobody here said that this is THE RIGHT NAME, so take a look at yourself in the mirror: 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@ThePhantomFox_]

​@@Tidemkeit You said right 👍.

[@CertifiedAdachiLover]

@@Tidemkeit pressed for what

[@MegaKillerwolf123]

Elizabeth: STOP BLOCKING MY ALMIGHTY ATTA--- Walter: I'LL END IT THUS

[@lovelessgenesis8]

Tip: If you almost got her below 10,000 HP defend yourself and wait for High Counter. Worked for me; then use Armageddon.

[@Desticler]

According to the description, you can get Orpheus Telos by fusing Odin, Scathach and Nidhoggr. But for some reason, that fusion is impossible to perform in my game. Thankfully, I also had Thor in my possession, and replacing Nidhoggr with him actually did result in Orpheus Telos, and from that point onward I was able to follow the description step by step all the way until I beat Elizabeth. Just felt the need to comment this in case someone else decides to use the description as a guide and runs into the same issue.

[@Heufneutje]

Interesting. I've never run into that before. Thanks for the heads-up! I'll pin your comment.

[@namespelldwrong9779]

triple fusions are wonky bc you not only need to have the right personas they also need to be at the appropriate levels. take your fusion for this: odin scathach thor. scathach needs to be the highest level persona in the fusion, odin in the middle, and thor at the lowest level. Maybe thats the reason: your personas were at the wrong levels

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Have you max out all Social Links? Igor gives you the recipe to fuse Orpheus Telos once you do.

[@Desticler]

@@SonicTheCutehog Of course I maxed all social links. I did manage to fuse him with a different recipe afterall, and it wouldn't be possible otherwise. The comment right above yours explains what my problem was.

[@ricardogomez104]

​@@Desticler será que recuerdas a quien priorizar para subir los social link al 100%? Estoy estancado

[@ThatBeingCed]

Thank you for this. You may not have planned for this being a good guide for the PS4 port but you've helped me a lot

[@Glycerin_]

My high counters refuse to work, that luck you had towards the end was very lucky indeed.

[@lprsa_]

The only difficulty with this fight is actually making it playable

[@lavayuki]

I plan on following your strategy with the same personas in the PS4 port against Theo, so a video is super helpful :) I have to farm some homunculus, as they all got used up in the damn Reaper fight.

[@obievergreen3771]

I've fought a lot of bosses across many different series, and I have to say, aside from fromsoft games, persona absolutely nails it in terms of absolutely terrible boss design. Not all of them, of course, but there's always that one. All I've learned is that the way to beat her is "do this, specifically, or you will fail".

[@RealestH8R]

Fromsoft are literally nothing like this what? I’ve never seen someone be so confidently wrong. Are there bad bosses? Sure yeah…but a vast majority of the boss in Fromsoft games are well designed. You are either bad, or cannot handle having to change your gameplay.

[@obievergreen3771]

@@RealestH8R no. They're pixel-perfect needle threading garbage designed for neckbeards who live and breathe the game. As a grown adult, I do not have the time or patience to spend days dying to a boss which can change or entirely glitch it's tactics to two-shot me in half the time it takes me to press the dodge button. So cry more, I guess

[@RealestH8R]

@@obievergreen3771 “live and breathe the game” I have a job and place of my own what? They aren’t glitchy (outside of DS2, but that game is just bad). You can play casually and beat them fine. You’re just bad at them and that’s fine, but to call them bad games isn’t true…especially since you’re the only person who seems think they’re all glitch filled. Getting two shot is also *literally* a player issue. Build sucks

[@obievergreen3771]

@@RealestH8R I am far from the only person who thinks that. And trust me, I looked up build video after build video, followed them to a T, levelled up like crazy and it made zero difference. They're objectively bad games for people with low standards and too much free time. For reference, elden ring is so terribly designed that what I thought was a game breaking glitch was actually intentional. But sure, they're great games that are definitely worth the money and definitely aren't just lazy clones of each other with the same indefensible design flaws throughout.

[@RealestH8R]

@@obievergreen3771 >for reference >states opinion >doesn’t actually elaborate >real If you are following guides for builds and looking up boss information AND build information, STILL losing? I think you just be shit at the game champ. I’d love to know what’s so horribly designed instead of just throwing out opinions though.

[@just__a__dog2017]

"i hAvE cHOsEn"

[@zensbu3434]

Have you heard her lines in Reload version? From this she went to full YuGiOh character

[@just__a__dog2017]

@@zensbu3434 "magic card , megidolaon 9999 activate. if my opponent's persona has an immunity to the attack type i am about to use , i get to deal 9999 points of almighty damage to my opponent"

[@saidbrizzo2187]

"pErSOnA"

[@slowbro1453]

Im trying to not see further becauso I dont want heavy spoilers but its funny how the coment section its full of: How do you get that broken specific thing that counters the Elizabeth broken specific thing? is killing me

[@lovelessgenesis8]

Thank you. You're helpful indeed.

[@renamamiya158]

I find it weird that Orpheus telos doesn’t change with gender but normal Orpheus does. Must be an oversight

[@Gothaman1]

Thats because technically, telos is makotos ultimate persona, as shown in PQ2

[@Pmirum]

@@Gothaman1 No, this is incorrect. Makoto's ultimate persona is Messiah.

[@jun-jun57]

@@Pmirum...in pq2, they said

[@Pmirum]

@@jun-jun57 No, they said "as shown in pq2" meaning they think Makoto's ultimate persona is Telos as a whole, not only in pq2. Get better reading comprehension.

[@jun-jun57]

@@Pmirum ok will do

[@luluyt5378]

Luckily i got those 3 Skill Cards Sharp Student,Thunder Reign and Mind Charge.

[@VALKM-n6m]

11:29 i apologize w-

[@Soroosh.S83]

Omg this is the hardest boss My friend told me that he wants to beat the elizabeth but i didn't know that could be Ultimate hard By the way. I don't know why nobody comment on this video?

[@Abobus-llllllllll]

11:56 0 XP? Thanks atlus and sega!

[@VioletScene2014]

You're lucky, my High Counter not even working, plus every 5 turns, she threw a tantrum by attacking with Megidolaon every single time I fought her, Welp, for me apparently is impossible, plus it looks like she had grudge on me

[@ValunarTonix]

iirc the 5 turn megidolaon is scripted, you need to use a fusion spell (item in P3P) that makes you immune (several times) cuz in the megidolaon turn she uses them twice.

[@SayuAriana]

... Did you use Amagedon early?

[@VioletScene2014]

@@SayuAriana I even barely attacking, every battle I started with buffs for that 1 turn, after 1 turn ends, she went insane and throwing every Megidolaon she had idk why, that time as I remember, I think that time I brought Cybele and Norn, Chi You... and spells I had nothing near Armageddon not even Megidolaon... that time my luck was pretty bad, and never got goodies from fusions.

[@SayuAriana]

@@VioletScene2014 how about you try without using buff

[@GenMusicOfficial28]

Make sure your persona doesnt have null/repel/absorb to Liz's next attack, its violated one of her "rules" thats why she MegidolaOwned you

[@karmalrex1304]

I'm trying Elizabeth now....for...the 5th time and its a pain in the ass xP What Personas do you have in your team?

[@Heufneutje]

Just Orpheus Telos. That's all you really need.

[@Bryan-ep4qj]

Why can you fight Elisabeth even if you are playing FeMC

[@Heufneutje]

Because FeMC lets you choose the Velvet Room attendant at the start of the game

[@Bryan-ep4qj]

@@Heufneutje really? I am currently playing p3p but I couldn't chose

[@sonicwarrior5630]

​@@Bryan-ep4qjwhen igor introduces you to his assistant, at that moment they ask you if you want elizabeth or theo

[@Bryan-ep4qj]

@@sonicwarrior5630 ohhhh. I thought it was a question if I already now that the female route has a different assistant. But good to know

[@blackrull1981]

​@@sonicwarrior5630 iirc they asked if you hear female or male voice right ? Female for Eliz and Male for Theo

[@nicosniaus1863]

How come Armageddon worked above 10,000 hp?

[@dv_4351]

Late i know, but with the double high counter Eli was pushed below 10k hp, I guess he forgot to add the second hc damage

[@brendansage6876]

How many Personas does Liz have in her personal stock between both phases 1 and 2? She uses so many I lost count, lmao

[@Heufneutje]

8 if you do things right. She has one for every element and then one for ailments and one for Megidolaon. If she gets to heal she'll also use Pixie.

[@oncegraced9299]

i just wanna see all the personas they got 😭😭

[@GenMusicOfficial28]

Its still 10141 why you able to killed her with armaggedon when it only hits 9999 ? Thats weird

[@Heufneutje]

It's actually just a calculator I used on the side. It doesn't update in real time.

[@ReaperFrost]

What happens is that If you push her below 10,000 she will heal herself (only the first time), but this guy was very lucky, because she got countered in her last turn, so she was below 10,000 and she couldn't heal herself because she already used her turn, if this person would have done any other thing, then Elizabeth would have healed herself the next turn, but at that point this person realized about it and just used armageddon

[@Heufneutje]

Yup. This is exactly why my Orpheus Telos has High Counter.

[@yourlocalgamer9851]

P3f Persona Movement Animations: Great P3P Persona Movement Animations: Crappy

[@sunugin-ang-kanyang-bahay]

aww look at him he cant say shitty 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@yourlocalgamer9851]

@@sunugin-ang-kanyang-bahay Bruh I Dont Wanna Get Banned Or Demonitized

[@ball.3841]

@@yourlocalgamer9851 you ain't gonna get banned nor demonitized

[@peropero2208]

Ah hav chousin

[@eljokerwashere]

Elizabeth, I know you're mad but I swear to God I didn't know I could date you with makoto

[@ekitaiacidsan1602]

why did they make this so aggravating to do lol its not even challenging Thanks for the video though im close to getting it!

[@FrostyMikeGaming]

@Heufneutje, Hello and I have a question on a certain skill that I want to use but first I want your opinion on it. Ok say i'm doing your method and I use all the same skills your using beside sharp student and say I decide to replace it with magic skill up. Now will I be doing more damage on her by doing so or am I pushing it to much because I don't want to drop her HP where she will be healing so is sharp student really needed or no? Yes i'm playing this on the portable version.

[@Heufneutje]

I'd say so yeah. I've died a number of times to crits even with Sharp Student.

[@FrostyMikeGaming]

Ok good and that's why I don't use that skill much because it hardly works for me at times so I was curious if the skill up waa better instead since that thunder reign does alot of damage in the first place especially when you use mind charge so yeah i'll test it out and see how it goes before saving it to my compendium. I appreciate you writing back in time. :)

[@plsrember]

​@@FrostyMikeGamingisn't it impossible to get magic skill up. on Orpheus telos ?

[@arnold2614]

Does it have to be thunder reign? I couldn't get mine, so I have niflheim on my telos, is that okay?

[@Heufneutje]

Pretty much any one of the tier 4 magic should work. You just need to get the different boost and amp skills for it and use it when she has a different Persona equipped. So in your case you would want to use Niflheim right after she uses Surt.

[@pROJectMAJIXNER0]

I bring you Megidolaon

[@rahmansepti540]

How did you got infinity x10 in door? I always got pearl

[@Heufneutje]

I'm not sure actually. I couldn't find out what determines it. Supposedly it has something to do with not letting anyone in the party die and not getting any negative effects on the Fortune wheel. But even that doesn't always seem to work.

[@jadebayoba7073]

Why orpheus telos looks like MeMC

[@Heufneutje]

Because Orpheus Telos only has one form.

[@jadebayoba7073]

@@Heufneutje that's, dissapointing....

[@amirgarcia547]

It’s because Orpheus Telos is MC’s ultimate persona, while Messiah is FEMC’s.

[@jadebayoba7073]

@@amirgarcia547 its actually just Messiah, for both

[@lukemorgan6166]

Being forced to rely on a chance based reflect is bad boss design

[@suave605]

Yep, that’s persona series is dogshit when it comes to bosses. You don’t see this in mainline smt games.

[@raphaelcoprada4637]

I think it needs to be said that this is not the intended design to beat this fight. Not forced at all. It's supposed to be beaten by halving their health once, let them heal, and then halve their health once again. And then using Armageddon. First heal is guaranteed to happen when reducing their health by half. And the next time they will heal will be under 30% (6,000 HP) after the first heal. More than enough buffer to be able to cast Armageddon. So it is reliable. The strategy employed here is called "High Counter skip" for a reason. Very unreliable (20% repel rate on second hit) but it does make the fight faster.

[@Heufneutje]

@raphaelcoprada4637 In this game High Counter actually has a 50% chance. It wasn't changed to 20% until Persona 4. You can indeed just let the boss heal. Which is what I usually do if High Counter fails.

[@raphaelcoprada4637]

@@Heufneutje that is false. Been checked by many people already. It is 10/15/20% for the entire counter line of skills in all versions of P3, like the later games. Apparently that old source was bogus in some cases. Saw a guy test it out on FES and P3P and yeah, it was roughly leaning to 20% there. Anyways more accurate sources have already started to show the correct values nowadays. Like megaten fusion tools, for example. Pretty much a decade old myth that's recently debunked.

[@Heufneutje]

Interesting. The Megaten wiki still has it listed as 50% which is generally my source for these kinds of things.

[@Cristian-Sarmiento]

One question, I have already passed the game and started a new game, but I did not use the file from the first game and therefore I do not have the level or the objects and persons from the first game, can I fight the boss or not? Doesn't that game count as "New game Plus"?

[@Heufneutje]

I think the NG+ limitation might only be in FES. In Portable I believe you only need to do the Reaper quest and reach the top floor of Tartarus. The internet seems to not be very clear on this but I'm pretty sure on my last playthrough on PC I was able to fight her without being on NG+

[@mex6079]

How to find The skils for Orpheus Telos

[@Heufneutje]

They're in the video description.

[@mex6079]

@@Heufneutje oh Thnks man ❤️❤️

[@Bagasinerd]

Wait why you dont use armageddon at the bwgining

[@Heufneutje]

Because she'll immediately heal and then Megidolaon you for 9999 damage.

[@Justapassingkamenrider]

How do you block megidolaon

[@Heufneutje]

Infinity

[@ziahbodei3506]

So confused. Your numbers say she’s still in 10k when you used Armageddon? So when do I use it? This games platinum sucks just for this one stupid trophy. This trophy has made me hate this game.

[@devinbernardino]

how do you get the goddess boots?

[@Heufneutje]

They come from rare chests on floor 227.

[@darksphere9933]

So many people like have you getting like 5 different personas all maxed out when you really just need telos

[@devinbernardino]

@@Heufneutje alright thx

[@snowfreezee_4724]

Well vid

[@hakanyamac7561]

This fight provides 0 exp? Just lol

[@Heufneutje]

I mean it's not like you have any need for EXP at this point. If you're not already level 99 when you attempt this fight you've pretty much already lost because of how much damage she deals. She's hurting me a lot here even though I have Orpheus Telos who resists everything and I have the Divine Pillar equipped which further cuts the damage I take in half :P

[@evzenvarga9707]

How am I suppossed to win this? He always heals ABOVE 10,000, I've never seen boss design this shitty,

[@Heufneutje]

It's all in the description. You need High Counter. It is possible to do without High Counter since she only heals the first time she goes below 10000. It'll just take longer. I also have another video with commentary where I go into detail on preparing for the fight.

[@kurosan9712]

P3P Beth is too easy due to skill cards, so you can, if you want, make an ultimate setup easily. Now try the same in P3F, and I'll laugh at how miserably you will fail

[@Heufneutje]

I do agree that this fight is more interesting in FES. I don't have access to that version though, sadly.

[@ryojifan]

still harder than margaret and lavenza

[@kurosan9712]

@@ryojifan about as hard I'd say, as you can prepare exactly as easy

[@lukemorgan6166]

Pointless grinding isn't fun

[@kurosan9712]

@@lukemorgan6166 that is if it is pointless. But it's not, it has a purpose, and the result only depends on how much you want to achieve it. I tried gathering the ultimate setup a lot of times, but in the end went with slightly revised normal one and that was always enough.

[@ShrimpToilet]

Why when she smacks you is she doing only 89 damage? I’m getting hit in the 200’s.

[@somecrappyname]

Endurance decreases damage taken