HF Icon Pliers Wrench Compared with Knipex in depth

This is a bit of a long one, and I hope you stick with me! I'll take you through Icon's Pliers Wrench and some of the subtle differences with Knipex, with some thoughts along the way. Thanks for watching!
A correction - I mistakenly said "cast marks" or "casting" repeatedly in this video. Both of these tools are forged. What I'm referring to is the shape/marks in the die created in the manufacturing process used to achieve the shape of the tools that are similar. Apologies for the mistake!
A good and really quick overview and functional comparison from the excellent 1D10CRACY channel can be found here: • Harbor Freight Icon Pl...

[@brianmoore1164]

The patent lasted long enough for Knipex to get my money. I have every size and two of my favorites. That said, I think the copy will be a money maker for them. Only thing is, the price is so close I would still buy the real thing. Gas there and back and I can get the Knipex delivered to my door for the same price.

[@owenruff4796]

that was my biggest thing, when I saw the price it was so close to the knipex one that I feel its worth just getting the made in Germany one

[@brianmoore1164]

@owen ruff Absolutely agree and mine are several years old now and still work perfectly with no signs of wear. Sometimes the couple extra bucks for the real thing is worth it.

[@harrymiller3986]

My northern tool has knipex in stock and are on sale now

[@darrenporsch]

If you like the thicker rubber on the Icon's Knipex makes a version called The comfort group so you'll get less of that mentally feel. The Icon seem like a nice copy but as people said the price is too close to the originals I'll take the German made ones for that little price difference

[@themessygarage]

The Knipex comfort-handle models go for a small premium over the "regular" ones (anywhere from ~$63 to $75 or so). That's not a small premium over forty bucks (over 50%), and essentially in the Snap On level of pricing. I think Knipex is delivering world-class quality, so I don't have issues with their pricing, but I think most DIYers and even a lot of pros can get all the capability they want from the Icon pair and save useful money. They're well-made and work equally as my Knipex pair in my hands. As I said in my video, they definitely don't have all the fit-and-finish my Knipex have, but I don't think they're low-quality in terms of materials or function. I appreciate your comment!

[@darrenporsch]

@@themessygarage I don't have the Knipex. I got myself a pair made by knipex for a company called Gray tools at dynamic tools online. they're usually $51 but were on sale for $40.85 and then I got another 15% off for being a first-time customer. check them out.

[@kaptainasskrak]

Boat mechanic for the last 20 years here. I got my first pair of these off the Snap-On truck, the 8 inch I believe. My first thought was no teeth on the jaws, which is important when doing warranty work. My second thought was that the jaws open and close parallel to each other, ensuring a secure fit to a hex head or square head. And after using them I discovered you only need to have a hand on one of the grips to turn a fastener, which is very useful is tight spots. Lastly I come across a lot of pins in the marine industry, none of which you want to bite into with say water pump pliers and leave teeth marks. Even though they have smooth jaws these pliers really do grip on things very well and leave very little in the way of witness marks depending on the metal of the piece your working with. I been able yo remove some extremely corroded pins with these pliers. I have used the Icon version as well and they seem to be pretty much the same to me. Personally I would prefer the Knipex over any of the knock offs. Knipex makes some really nice tools, I also own their water pump pliers and mini bolt cutters, and various sizes of these pliers, which are hands down better than the competitors in my opinion. Just better built, sturdy handles and hardened steel where it counts. The mini bolt cutters I have cut up to 3/8 bolts with, and that would be stainless to grade 5, grade 8 I have only cut up to 1/4. Side note here, being in the marine industry I often find my favorite tools don't rust as much. And the Knipex won't rust for the exception of some surface rust. Any sort of lube on them helps but isn't necessary. And working around salt water i notice which ones I like very quickly. Snap-On isn't the answer all the time unfortunately. I have noticed that my older Knipex have lost some of the finish material on the face of the jaws and in the slide groove for changing sizes. Regardless they still work like new. Good luck out there.

[@themessygarage]

Thanks for the insights and comment!

[@alexguigui1877]

Yeah, those are very useful even if they don’t have any teeth I have the 12” and i calculated considering the width of an average hand If you have a 30 pounds grip strength (witch is way below average) , you’ll end up with aprox 300 pounds of force between the jaws. No matter the emplacement of the fastener between the jaws You have a 10 to 1 ratio. By comparison, with 12” cobra’s With the same 30 pounds, you’ll end up applying 100 pounds at the tip of the jaws and 200 pounds at the closest of the pivot. So this is a huge strength of these pliers/wrenches. You literally have a vice in your hands.

[@Diemerstein]

I have the older set of the Knipex and they have never let me down. I just had to do a chain adjustment on a new ZX6R motorcycle and discovered I didn't have a socket for the the nut that holds the rear tire, so I gave the Knipex a try and worked like a charm, this tool just keeps on giving. Another great use is for removing tungsten wedding rings. I work in an ER and once in a while you'll get a patient with a swollen finger and you can't cut them off, but you can crack them off with this tool and because of the limiting range, you don't crush their finger.

[@themessygarage]

You win the prize for the most-unusual use of the tool! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@foxwood67]

I have 5 pairs of the older knipex 180mm and 250mm spread out between work, shop, and home. Pros. Didnt pay $40 for any of them and they work as good as day i bought them. Cons: They are not $32 and $36 anymore. I wont be spending the $40 on icons I agree with pretty much with your observations

[@thebackwoodsmechanic5029]

Preparing to do a video myself. Enjoy hearing others opinions as well. It's value at $40 is fair for what they offer.

[@MyKnifeJourney]

The HF model is just fine. For those that appreciate a slightly better tool, then go Knipex. HF did a good enough job for me, I'm just a DIY type.

[@kb9oak749]

I have a knipex and this clone does not upset me.

[@sammiches6859]

My Fujiya pliers wrench made in Japan was only $40. At that price, I'll take the Japanese tool any day. For that matter, they only make a big one, so I plan on getting the 5 inch model and 7 inch comfort grip model directly from Knipex. Eventually, I'd like to try the Olsa and Hazet alternatives as well. The Icons are nicely warranted and acceptable, but I would only buy them at 40% off like my gold Icon ratchets.

[@themessygarage]

I haven't tried Fujiya yet, but the Ko-ken stuff I have is outstanding. I don't know why Icon chose the 12" size first - I use my 7" Knipex pair far more often.

[@kaylamarie8309]

I have one of these Icon pliers wrenches and it's great. I have a few pair of Knipex pliers and when I saw the price of these I jumped all over them. Icon also is making some dead on clones of Snap on pliers and I have bought quite a number of them. Their Doyle brand might as well be Mac. Are Harbor Freights tools the exact same quality as the tool truck brands? No but they are pretty damned good for the money and I think pretty close. I have some Snap on and Mac tools of course but I am more than happy to save my money with the new HF offerings. I can't wait to see what is coming out at HF in the future!

[@frankthespank]

When the REAL version is as cheap as it is…. Just get the real one. Icon is $40, real one is roughly $55’ish? We can afford $15 more… I got two real Knipex Cobras for $15 each from a local dude on Marketplace that said his ex-girlfriend is a distributor, awesome price, huh? So I was fine with paying full price for the deluxe Knipex pliers-wrench. I got the black finish with comfort grips, she’s puuuurdy 😎 Harbor Freight is great when the real tool is a stupid $500 and Harbor Freight’s version which can do the job “pretty well” is like $50. I do like their effort in going after “tool-truck” brands, go Harbor Freight! But sometimes their prices are a little high on their “high-end” stuff. Do your research and shop around. I’m not loyal to just one brand so I’ve got an assortment of tools 🤓

[@themessygarage]

The real one is generally closer to $70, but seems to have dropped closer to $60 these days. I don't think you can reliably find the Knipex 10"/250 for $55 (and of course HF does the occasional % coupon). As I said, I would like to see it at $35 list, but the Icon is a manifestly nice and high-quality tool. Since I owned a set of the Knipex Pliers Wrenches already, this Icon pair is going to be in the beater/travel role. I *do* research almost every tool purchase - I'm persnickety about things I use regularly being 'fiddly" or crap. That's put all kinds of brands in my garage. Off the top of my head there's Icon, Quinn, Carlyle, (modern) Craftsman, Sunex, Carpri and Tekton (brands made in Asia), but I also have Hazet, Knipex, Wiha, SK and Snap On (I'm not sure where to put Lang, and of ). There's not a bad tool in the lot.

[@frankthespank]

@@themessygarage I just looked at my Amazon order history and when I bought my upgraded 10” Knipex pliers wrench with the black coating and comfort grip it was 4 months ago and I paid $53.39 before taxes. So…. Thanks Joe Biden, LOL (ya gotta laugh ‘cause I’m all out of tears…)

[@atlantajunglepythons1744]

@@frankthespank did you see that jobless rate? Lowest in decades for full-time employed. And no vindictive practices, no prosecutors coming after the guy for criminal practices...the icons I've tried have been cost engineered with fancy packaging, bought in particular to round out the collection (and be ready in general) -but icons did not live up to the price- OTOH, I got some side-bent longnose pliers, blue grips, with the Doyle brand. They are not as large as, but better to use than similar Titans I already have; the spring that opens the jaws is a nice touch. This is a great kind of tool for working around corners or in tight locations. Saved my bacon pulling a gas line off deep inside a tank.

[@802Garage]

@@themessygarage Hey one benefit is Knipex may try to keep their price lower to not lose sales.

[@john4kc]

Makes me wonder what other knock offs they'll do. I live my Knipex, but not gonna lie, I'd probably go for those Icons. I don't expect the Knipex to break, but I have to assume the Icon would be far easier to warranty.

[@themessygarage]

I can't imagine a 7" won't appear. As for the warranty, I've never heard anything but excellent things about Knipex. They actually monitor reddit/tools and help folks out. I've got 3 HF locations within a reasonable drive, so walk-in/walk-out doesn't hurt my feelings, but I doubt it will ever be necessary - all of my HF hand-tools have been solid or better (though I tend to not buy their absolute-cheapest stuff).

[@john4kc]

@@themessygarage I rarely break tools, but the warranty can affect my decision. I bought the knipex in 7", 10", 12", and 16" last year. I haven't needed the large ones yet, but they are all super nice. Expensive though!

[@maxpayneau]

3:13 the nurling is for adujting the pliers. Its easier to slide and choose right position.

[@Cbsaiyan]

Very detailed thank you for the video brother

[@themessygarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@jinxed3276]

Hello from reddit. Appreciate the review. Well done! ICON probably needs to be a hair cheaper to really be worth it over the Knipex but looks like a solid tool.

[@chrispiatt2235]

I have the 7 and 5. The 5 is in moto tool bag and 7 in my garage kit. They're fantastic. I've no need for the 10.

[@themessygarage]

I totally get it for cycles. For me, the 7 gets used the most, followed by the 10. The 5 is by far the least.

[@I8Drone]

I’d be curious to see how these hold up to rust. I work in a marine environment and the knipex are the only pliers that don’t rust or seize

[@themessygarage]

Despite the fact it's messy, my garage isn't a damp place, much less a marine/beach environment, so I can't give you any experience there. I'd say the following as pure speculation/informed-guessing/Your-mileage-may-vary: A) I'd think it will probably be fine and B) HF would likely warranty it if it does.

[@jeremyTallen1]

I always wondered why everything went to high polished finish. I personally think it is more of a hassle than it is worth.

[@themessygarage]

Agree.

[@MasterTechLou]

Hey man, dig the channel. Keep at it. Lou

[@themessygarage]

Thanks!!

[@a.k.9425]

My upper handle cam is making contact with the moving jaw surface.

[@area51z63]

Funny how some people doing these reviews have tools with zero marks that have never been used that also for some reason believe that they are experts

[@themessygarage]

I'm a DIYer, so my tools aren't used all day every day. I'm also a guy who doesn't abuse tools and cleans them before I put them away at the end of whatever I'm doing. I've had my Knipex pliers wrenches for multiple years, and they've been used a lot. As for the Icons, they were just-released when that video was made, and sold-out/not-in-stock in a lot of places, so I figured folks might be interested in seeing a side-by-side. I did use them for a few things and test them out on some others before doing the videos, but ultimately this is not a rocket. It's a pretty simple tool that happens to work fine.

[@cMurder2osix]

A car can have over 250,000 miles and still be in mint condition. No kind of special skill you need to be a plier expert... open then squeeze. 😂

[@area51z63]

@@cMurder2osix No it can't as friction causes engine wear. Now take another hit off the bong

[@JCO847]

To all the people who say Buy Knipex would you still do it when the Icon is 32 bucks after coupon? Because that is where I am at right now. Need to decide. For my DIY use it seems hard to pay double for a very similar tool

[@themessygarage]

You can always grab the Icon and if you feel like it's doing a lot of work, upgrade to the Knipex. I have both Icon and Knipex in 10" and they both get used.

[@heybabycometobutthead]

Knipex aren't cast, they're forged, and I doubt the Chinese pair are anywhere near the standard of forged steel the Knipex are.

[@themessygarage]

You're right - they're die marks not cast marks. The Icon Pliers Wrench is made in Taiwan, and while I have no way of comparing the steel, I have little doubt that the steel is of fine quality. Taiwan has a great reputation overall. Having used both tools, I'm comfortable with the quality of both the Icon and the Knipex.

[@IliyaOsnovikov]

These tools are not casted they are forged. And Knipex could also be purchased with thick ergonomic handles.

[@themessygarage]

You're right. Both of these things have been pointed out already. The Knipex ergo handles are a bit more expensive (and, of course, very nice).

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

There ok but mine sticks I’ll go to knipex first always. I just had to try them

[@diobrando808]

I just wish I could see testing on bolts and other stuff but I guess that’s too much 😂 good vid tho

[@themessygarage]

I'll try to put something together - it's pretty intuitive once you start to use them. Thanks for watching!

[@PeterDiCapua]

40$ still ain cheap....knipex is making $$$ on these bad boys. Buy once cry once. Good video

[@themessygarage]

I agree they're not discount-priced at $40 for sure. They're awfully handy to have around though ;)

[@802Garage]

Given the price difference of about $20, this is a case where I'd say go with the Knipex. I'm even someone who goes for the cheap tool that does the same thing about 90% of the time. Possibly the biggest reason to go with the Knipex is the smaller jaw width and handle size. That little difference will matter a lot where it counts. That said I'll never fault someone for saving their money when they need to.

[@802Garage]

@@htr5372 Another channel did a good test on that.

[@802Garage]

@@htr5372 I didn't say it was? It's also cheaper than some of the competition. In a lot of ways it's splitting hairs.

[@802Garage]

@@htr5372 Sweet Jebus man you've got an axe to grind. 😂 I don't even own one currently. Comparisons I've seen show the Knipex as favorable against all the competition even if they have some advantages.

[@802Garage]

@@htr5372 NWS is about the same price and all the others are more expensive, as is Stahlwille. Wiha about the same price too. Knipex is still a solid tool and not priced unreasonably. Buy whichever suits your fancy. I'm just saying it's a rare case I'd buy the brand name over Harbor Freight.

[@802Garage]

@@htr5372 You keep making straw man arguments. I'm not saying other brands aren't good. I'm not saying other brands aren't better than Knipex. I'm not arguing the patent hasn't expired. I am telling you that Knipex still performs well and that many other European brands are quite a bit more expensive. That's really all. I didn't have any disagreement with you but you came at me like I was a moron for saying the Knipex was still a good option.

[@goncalovazpinto6261]

I would expect the deeper teeth in the Knipex would allow more abuse, more clamping pressure before slipping or breaking.

[@themessygarage]

I don't think the teeth are taking a lot of force, but I'm not an engineer. These aren't really super high-torque tools.

[@cbchavez1666]

Why should I pay more money for the german tool for basic tool.

[@themessygarage]

I think the answer for most people is "You shouldn't." As I mentioned in the video, I have several Knipex tools, and for example I do think the Cobras have harder, sharper teeth, etc. And Knipex offers multiple sizes where Icon is currently only offering 10" (I use my 7" more than any other size).

[@karlmadsen3179]

They need more sizes......especially the smallest ones.

[@themessygarage]

Agree. The 7" is my most-used size.

[@PeterDiCapua]

i have almost all the sizes and the 5" is sweet for a god bag...its $$ but who cares. life is short

[@aussiehardwood6196]

Hmmmm....your telling us our Knipex are cast steel with casting flash. Hmmmm I stopped listening at about that point.

[@themessygarage]

I misspoke (as acknowledged in a previous comment).

[@deedle6073]

The main difference you will find is in the metallurgy.

[@themessygarage]

I don't think there's a meaningful/useful difference in the metallurgy.

[@joew8438]

The real controversy is whether it's Nipix or Kah Nip Ex

[@artie191]

German, not English. The "K" is not silent. Kah Nip Ex

[@joew8438]

@@artie191 I've heard different people say it either way, and some people say it both ways.

[@josephgazzaroli644]

Say the "k"

[@laynemaxson3411]

Knipex makes a shirt with how it's pronounced and the k is not silent

[@rogermccaslin5963]

I saw a video recently that featured the president or CEO (don't remember which) of the company. He pronounced the K. I figure that if the guy that runs the company and obviously speaks the language pronounces the K then I should too.

[@darkerbinding6933]

The biggest problem I have with the Harbor freight version is... I have to go to a store to get it. I tried to order one online and it said: "In-Store Only". Ok. Well, I can order the Knipex online and I'm far far away from a Harbor Freight store. It would cost me vastly more to get the Icon version because of drive cost. Clearly NOT worth it.

[@themessygarage]

Gas/fuel prices are pretty high at the moment, so if you're not close to a HF I totally get it. It seems like a lot of their new products are "In-store Only" at first. I'd think they'll eventually make them available for online orders. If it would cost you $20-$30 to drive to HF and back, it does make it easy to choose the Knipex.

[@atlantajunglepythons1744]

The Knipex will be a better tool. Not 100% sure what 'ele tric steel' is, but to me this smooth-jaw pliers is a signature tool. I reach for it with confidence. OTOH, it cost too much for me to grind the jaw any thinner - doing so would have been useful yesterday with a cup-brush stuck on my grinder...so it's not perfect, but still a better tool, more refinement, machining, thought went into producing it rather than cost-engineering a copy then maximizing its price. I've tried a few icon tool, but so far, none have lived up to the promise or the price....

[@lostagain2992]

I’ll pay the little extra and my sons will have the knipex long after I’m gone.

[@lostagain2992]

@@htr5372 $40 vs $60 I’m blessed and fortunate enough to be able to afford the extra $20. My sons will appreciate my fiscal endeavors😉

[@lostagain2992]

@@htr5372 nah. He won’t ask that. Just like he won’t ask why I have more Nightforce optics than Schmidt & Benders.

[@themessygarage]

LoL - I have tools from my grandfather who died 50 years ago that were bought at Montgomery Ward and have been used consistently by both me and my father. I'm pretty sure my kids and grand-kids (if any) will have both the Knipex and Icon pairs if any of them develop interest in having tools - lol. (so far none of my kids are really mechanically- or DIY-inclined.

[@lostagain2992]

@@themessygarage Yeah. Made in America I bet😉

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

To all of you here,the real ones are only 54 dollars at Menards,don't be stupid.

[@themessygarage]

Respectfully, that's with a mail-in rebate. Price on the site says $61, says $60 in the cart and offers a $6.60 mail-in rebate. And it's an in-store (not on-line) merchandise credit, not actual cash. Yuck. Lastly, lots of folks don't have a Menard's nearby (I don't).

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

@@themessygarage haha money's , money whether it's through a painless rebate or not us still money .Also if you check eBay and Amazon you can usually find the set for around 150 bucks,and don't even have to waste the gas to go get them.I love Harbor Freight ,I'm in HVAC and every normal style pliers in it is Doyle,but they lost me on this one ,why spend 40 when you could spend a little or 50 and get the pliers that these and all others copied.Im a fan of Harbor Freight but own some Knipex stuff and Icon is no match.

[@themessygarage]

Sorry - it's $40 vs. $62 at walk-out prices. It's not money if you can't spend it. Menard's won't honor the rebate on-line, and there are no Menard's anywhere within hundreds of miles of me and I'm sure lots of other folks. Who the heck does mail-in rebates in 2022?? They do that to make it hard enough that most people won't do it. And, of course, there will be HF coupons that will knock the Icon down into the ~$35 price range. I'm not really arguing for one over the other, but trying to be fair. Since I own three sizes of the Knipex (and two Cobras), I'm clearly not anti-Knipex, but they're literally at Snap On price levels, and not everyone can afford that.

[@PeterDiCapua]

Dustin, buy once cry once. however when you buying 20 pairs for a compnay. Having them in the store down the street is nice. Menards are much less common then harbor frieghts. I live in NY.. :(

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

@@PeterDiCapua haha I never cry when I buy new tools,only time I cry is when they get lost.its been a month since I posted this and I've managed to replace all my HF clone pliers with the real deal.I only paid 80 bucks for my set of Cobras and they shipped right out of Germany. I get the having a HF nearby but I tend to have multiples of things so I can use them for a minute if I ever need something warranted. I love me some HF but my point was they missed the mark on price on these.

[@Michagan_outdoorsman_James]

originality is rare in the words of knipex. you can see the teeth on that slide wont hold look how tiny they are compared to the knipex. thats gonna slip no problem when she gets the beans

[@themessygarage]

It's definitely not slipping. I've done the "put-all-my-weight-on-it" thing and they were 100% engaged. The teeth aren't bearing the weight/force.

[@artie191]

@@themessygarage The teeth most certainly do carry all the force when the handles are being squeezed. In 10 years of using Knipex pliers I have broken the teeth on one button. I replaced the button and the pliers were good as new. I have never broken a frame.

[@nicknauj124]

Ah I think it’s BS it’s created by Knipex. Hate rip offs.

[@autumn5592]

It's not a rip off though. And there is nothing wrong with 'clone' tools, so long as you dont pretend it's not the real thing.

[@lt3880]

are all your tools bought from the company that invented it? lmao. every tool you ever used was invented by one person and copied by another

[@themessygarage]

The Pliers wrench has been around for a long time. Knipex has a good take on it, but they didn't invent it.

[@JC-cm9bn]

Extremely boring 😴

[@themessygarage]

Sorry brother - I'm just a dude in my garage.

[@azul8811]

Give us a link to your channel.

[@jack902902]

They can copy the design all they want, but if it is built for Horror Fright, the metal quality will not stand to Kinipex. My Kinipex are forever

[@themessygarage]

Having had the actual tool in my hand and used it a fair bit at this point, the metal quality is fine. I don't have the ability to test the metallurgy (and neither do you), but the eye-test and the use-test would say the Icon metal is good quality.

[@jack902902]

@@themessygarage I'm speaking about the reputation of Kinipex metal.. their hardness is beyond most products.. But, I did not contest whether icon is decent quality or not. If I had a choice between channellocks metal or Kinipex metal, I'd take Kinipex. I love Channellocks brand, but no brand of pliers have maintained the jaws or teeth longer than Kinipex.

[@timm9114]

So made a bet with my plumbing apprentice regarding these. I told him if the harbor freight lasted more than a month with the same use/abuse as my knipex, I’d buy him a dinner at a nice steak house. The icon brand wore at the adjustment grooves due to the torque we put on these installing and working on 1-1/2-2” piping (backflows, regulators and stuff) The exchange/warranty was easier with the icon just because we could walk into a store and swap them out. However, the same use/abuse has been put on my knipex for the last almost 4 years. In a pinch or for average/homeowner use I think the icons would do well. For hard working plumbers & pipe fitters I just can’t see these being worth the slight cost difference

[@themessygarage]

@@timm9114 I'd be very interested in seeing pictures

[@parkerhammond3258]

What a waste of my time, I wanted to see them work side by side

[@themessygarage]

They work identically, other than the Knipex has a slightly-larger max opening. That hasn't been a benefit to me personally. As I mentioned and showed in the vid, the adjustment is slightly smoother with the Icon. The only other main difference is the softer handle on the Icon (Knipex does offer comfort-handled versions for most of their tools)

[@byloyuripka9624]

i hate these knipex comparisons where someone who has a phone camera thinks they know something about anything. if youre making a tool review and you pull out a fresh of the boat pair of knipex GTFO. the laser etching that disappeara after one day of ACTUAL WORK is atill there and you think youre qualified to pollute the internet. youre making the internet a worse place. it should teach from a place of experience and knowledge, not feelings and wanting like or more subscribers

[@themessygarage]

LoL - tell me how you really feel! I used a couple of my Knipex pairs today as a matter of fact. I can't say I'm sorry that I take care of my tools. They work reasonably hard maintaining five vehicles (changed the oil on three of my cars today) and my house, and my Pliers Wrenches are among my favorite tools. I'm not a pro, but I'm a pretty experienced DIY'er doing actualy and offering my real opinions. I'm not sure where that counts as "poisoning" anything, much less the internet, but of course you're entitled to your opinion. Happy trails!

[@autumn5592]

You have an interesting opinion, shame no one cares lmfao. And, do you think some mongs comment holds more value than someone with a camera? Actually comedy gold. Keep up the good work.

[@sanguinemoon9201]

The vast majority of people that watch something like this likely are just home gamers. You wanna see tools that work hard, watch AvE. Even he buys from the hazard fraught now and again. I bought the icon to see if I like the concept. Now I will buy the real deal. Icon for the house; and Knipex for the shop. Knock offs are great to experiment, especially if it is gonna wind up in the trash. Can't tell you how many expensive gun tools are just junk concepts.

[@markusmichael2878]

Only our German Knipex is the right brand for pliers! Other brands are cheap rubbish! GERMAN first!

[@themessygarage]

lol