HGVs banned from London. A drivers eye view of HGV roadsigns

[@andybirchenall1113]

Anything that is required inside the M25 shud be droppped at hubs around the M25 and then let them arseholes figure out a way of getting there own stuff in,absolutely hate London deliveries added to the fact it was never built to accomodate artics lets see how long before rules change then 😅

[@thetruckerseye]

@@andybirchenall1113 i'd love that 🤩😂😂😂

[@thetruckerseye]

I feel sorry for all the heavy haul lads and ladies having to take stuff right into the centre.

[@andybirchenall1113]

@thetruckerseye we used to go down Hackney high street 1 place only to deliver if someone was there you went round the block on a good day you cud do it in half an hour if you got back n someone else was there you went round again absolute nightmare of a delivery

[@thetruckerseye]

@@andybirchenall1113 i used to do multi drop around that sort of area. The best one I had was a delivery that was on the outbound side for London traffic in Barking. Unloading hrs were allowed for 20mins from 10am till 4pm. Parking hours were allowed for 20mins from 10 am till 4pm too. The onky time I could unload (which took 5 mins) was after 4pm. A traffic warden said you aren't allowed to do this after 4pm. I said 'how do I get into a car space when one leaves', he said block the road... i can't do you for that but I can do you for parking here after 4 🙄😂🤣

[@RichPAFC1987]

I suspect that will be in the future once all vehicles inside Greater London will be electric only. An ICE tractor unit from elsewhere drops a trailer with an electric tractor unit picking it up and making the delivery.

[@michaelelcoat6323]

Its about time haulage companys stopped delivering stuff to london and see how the people fair then when they get nothing ie food ect

[@thetruckerseye]

The problem with that is that thing 'distribution'. Most hauliers will have a contract that pays 'X' amount for storage and/or distribution and that figure will encompass every delivery required, no matter how big or small, and will always be inclusive of London! I don't think the scheme is a bad idea in itself, but at least get the signs right!!!

[@discostucrazymunkey]

Thought exactly the same. If they make it that hard for delivery, stop delivering.

[@stum8374]

As some comments saying stop going into London and contracts include going into London,customers in London know its hard for delivery companies so IF ALL COMPANIES PUT A CLAUSE IN TO COVER ALL EXTRA COST MAYBE THOSE SHOPS ETC WILL COMPLAIN BUT KHANT WILL NOT LISTEN 😡

[@thetruckerseye]

@@stum8374 to be fair to him, this scheme isn't anything to do with him! I'm sure we'll find something to blame him for on the channel soon 🤣

[@Gazzxy]

long thought this. and I dont doubt some have employed just that policy, I know we dont go there. for a myriad of reasons. but primarily we don't have to, and all of us drivers would rather bang our bellends between bricks than drive remotely near it. as for the rest, if it were my company id be counting the days till contractual obligations were up for renewal and I could get london excluded.

[@windinthewillows6248]

Personally I think all truck drivers should refuse to go into London, i.e not go within the M25. There should be delivery hubs where trucks drop their loads, then let the idiots who live within the M25, come and get their stuff. Let the authorities within the M25, sort out their own transportation of goods from the hubs.

[@tivvy-xf4kz]

Seconded lol

[@skylarius3757]

Parts of the home counties are within the m25. not just the london boroughs

[@windinthewillows6248]

@@skylarius3757 Of course you are correct, but my comment still stands, the environment for large vehicles to do their job is appalling, and generally the authorities and the people that live there, have little care, understanding or appreciation for the truck drivers, to do their jobs.

[@davidgolding3457]

Stop delivering into London when the shops are empty of goods, and Companies are closing down it will be time to ship Mr Khan out for good.

[@pbwmanagement]

As a 4-wheeler who has never driven anything above 25 tones its never ceases to amaze me the BS truck / delivery drivers put up with in London. Ridiculous nonsensical speed limits, road narrowing, deliberate traffic jambs, poor signage, foliage overgrowth, lack of rest areas and facilities, poor road maintenance..... the list is endless. A coordinated total boycott of London is long overdue. It's worth remembering that nearly everything one touches or sees is delivered via commercial vehicle. I appreciate the effort and sacrifice drivers make to maintain all our lives in the capital.

[@PeterBarton-m3r]

Loads of hgv drivers would welcome a ban on hgvs in london

[@bartman9400]

My dad hated driving a wagon round London, he definitely would love the ban.

[@tivvy-xf4kz]

Long retired and London used to be busy but people/drivers knew the score and were sensible. I used to deliver to supermarkets and anyone who parked around your delivery point knew to expect a delivery at a certain regular time. People would pour out of the local premises and move their cars (basically drive round the block) to allow enough time to get your truck in. I used to drive over Tower Bridge yes I'm that old lol I remember the first route restrictions coming in and we were all issued with maps. It was really annoying though as you could deliver to one major supermarket and then instead of driving directly to the next one you had to drive out to the M25 go round to the next major road in and drive back in. Probably less than 15mins if driving directly between the two but a lot longer using more time and fuel having to drive round. As others have said I often thought they should build a wall round the M25 and have access points with large freight depots where you could deliver to and smaller trucks could do the deliveries inside. We all know that wouldn't be practical but a nice idea lol I sometimes think these people who make the rules have absolutely no idea of the amount of goods that have to be delivered DAILY to supermarkets and other stores but I suppose all they are bothered about are emissions / traffic. If all traffic stopped for a week the shops would be empty.

[@robtaylor2766]

Back when they started to build the M25 they said no lorrys would be able to enter London it's a bloody pity they change there minds.

[@flipper2392]

I'm a now retired o/d, TfL are a nightmare to deal with, it's worse than sticking pins in your eyes, when I applied for a night permit they wanted to know every delivery point I would be going to and the exact route taken, then said my level of work didn't warrant a permit, I would have to give 48 hours notice before coming in restricted times, I never got my work 48 hours before delivery, I was doing timed jit. I don't go there any more but would love artics to be banned inside the north/south circular and flood the shithole with transits.

[@carlbarkham3115]

Either someone cocked up placing that sign at the wrong exit or it was done deliberately to earn money, especially with a warning sign about the zone up ahead but not telling you when it actually starts. If this went to court over an unpaid fine, I think the judge would look at the evidence and see that it is area is not clearly marked, so the fine is removed. It’s the “that will do” attitude from the authorities or their contractors.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@carlbarkham3115 did you notice the other mistake on it? I wanted to say this in the video but forgot haha. It says 16ton on it when the LLCS is above 18t MGVW 🤣

[@carlbarkham3115]

@@thetruckerseye I missed that! Might of seen it if I could be bothered to wear my glasses while watching stuff.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@carlbarkham3115 can't read your reply mate as I've lost my glasses 🤣🤣🤣

[@carlbarkham3115]

@@thetruckerseye 😂😂😂😂

[@stco2426]

That's whay I think, plus the helpfully obscured sinage that's really too complicated to read anyway. I don't envy the drivers here.

[@knightsnight5929]

This is pretty standard in many large cities around the world.

[@JESTERFISH1]

Years and years ago I used to bring eggs down to London on a Sunday of the two “ official routes one had a low bridge that you could not get under The other took you by two sharp ninety degree corners upon which residents parked cars So you always ended up going the unofficial way and reversing into a no entry just for ease of it London was not too bad back then but a bloody nightmare now

[@rogerkretzschmar8280]

Excellent video. I'm actually based at the refinery in Erith. When I started in 2005 all our London based trucks had the round tax disc style GLC permit. Remember back then a few of our lads getting done for going up to Tate and Lyle at Greenwich before 7 am and for using the Woolwich Ferry after 13.30 on a Saturday. Haven't heard anyone being done over the past few years, so not sure how well policed it is now. We have one tip in Brixton, and if I'm unlucky enough to get it I'm down there way before 7am to beat the stationery traffic over Blackheath, not been nicked yet. Having said that a few trucks parking overnight on industrial estates around Erith and Belvedere have woken up to parking tickets on their windscreen, despite there being no yellow lines. Certainly down to the GLC scheme that a lot of non London drivers have never heard off.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@rogerkretzschmar8280 thanks so mu h for the nice comment. There's actually a lorry park on the industrial estate near Asda. They take Snap too!

[@HalfTheWorldAway-gf3wg]

HGV's getting tickets for overnight parking is nothing to do with the LLCS. That is down to local council overnight parking restrictions.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@HalfTheWorldAway-gf3wg i don't think the original reply was eluding to it being a LLCS fine.

[@HalfTheWorldAway-gf3wg]

@@thetruckerseye Fair enough. I took it as such due to the mention of the old GLC scheme that was the precursor to the current LLCS scheme. When the GLC ended the current LLCS scheme replaced it. I just want drivers who are unfamiliar with London to be aware that the 2 fines are different. You can park overnight in a lot of places in London without risking a LLCS fine (if you can park up before the restricted hours). But if you do get a parking fine it won't be because of the LLCS (unless you are spotted driving there during proscribed hours), it will be because of local council parking bans. I

[@scammell9772]

there's are stretch on the south circular eastbound where the turn left for the London wetlands centre and the A3 the road on the right at this junc is down as a permitted route but you cannot turn right into it by bearing to the left just past the lights then 15m turn right then turn right then left into the permitted road which is stated on the LLC Map however the sinage says it has restricted times so you cannot turn right into the road by going left right right the turn into the road but if you come westbound there is no signage and you can turn left into it towards the A3 confusing

[@PCDelorian]

The problem (or rather yet another problem) is the "permitted route" has a sign on it, so plod could pull you for contravention of a road traffic sign, which could endorse your licence. Limiting HGVs from certain roads is logical and makes some sense in some circumstances (not commenting on London specifically), but it should be adequately signed, signed correctly, and thought-out.

[@TheHasselBoff]

I remember the first time I went to Asda Erith, my sat nav had an absolute paddy and wouldn't let me go over the fish roundabout and I ended up getting in a pickle. Eventually I phoned my mate who had been before who told me to ignore the signs and go over the fish roundabout and I have done ever since. It really is silly.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@TheHasselBoff cool name you've got there! Yes that'a exactly what happened to my colleague. When he finally arrived at asda his 1st question was... 'how the hell did you get here?'. The conversation was based on hia sat nav sending him left ar the fish 🤣

[@secretsquirrel6124]

When i did smithfield meat market years ago the traffic wardens used to follow the lorries round putting tickets on us every time we stopped to deliver to the different sellers😂😂😂

[@harlingthetrucker9971]

Excellent and informative video

[@thetruckerseye]

@@harlingthetrucker9971 that's very kind, thank you👍

[@ant647448336]

The van in the left hand lane going right, that's standard in Spain and is allowed going by the road regulations.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@ant647448336 thats correct yes. In Spain they go around roundabouts in the outside lane, effectively turning left from the right lane. Totally bonkers! UK law is that you can only turn right at a roundabout from the right lane unless there is signage to tell you otherwise. Highway Code rule 186!! Stay tuned as i have a shorts video out at 10.30am today with 2 whoppers turning right from the left lane !

[@paulcollyer801]

So, there’s an “Excluded Road Network” that can be used without trouble, permits required to go off that. Even with a permit you should take the shortest available non ERN route to & from your destination. One of the restriction signs was placed on the Target Roundabout for the A312 Southbound, but Not for the north bound stretch. I checked with TFL as an acting manager & was told the sign was incorrect & unenforceable; opened up options for my drivers. Also, following official diversions excuses you from fines. (Use dashcams peeps I’ve had a couple of occasions where some comically undesirable naughty tyke has turned a subsequent arrow, a few where there are no further signs, one police closure with no diversion, & one divert that took me to a 15’bridge with a 16’2” trailer… (luckily saw the bridge before I turned toward it & was committed!!).

[@thetruckerseye]

@@paulcollyer801 people in offices design this stuff 😂. Joking aside though this A206 is exactly the same. There is NO signage coming the other way!!!!

[@HalfTheWorldAway-gf3wg]

That part of the A312 both North and Southbound is part of the ERN. The stupidity of this part of the ERN is that there are houses lining both sides all along that stretch of that dual carriageway close to the road. The A4180 Ruislip Road that also meets the A40 at the Polish War Memorial (coming from the same point as the A312) has hardly any houses next to it. It mainly passes by fields and a golfclub, but you will get fined for using it. Total bollocks.

[@dread_baron]

did you know that the traffic sign by Tower Bridge says 18 t but when you go online it says 18t MGW so they can fine HGV drivers

[@Jas-ym8dz]

Some years back a Tesco lorry parked on the main road in Kentish town and used to bring the town to a standstill. Parking wardens ticketed it every day which is peanuts for Tesco

[@thetruckerseye]

@@Jas-ym8dz a lot of stuff like that is seen as the risk factor. The companies know they'll get fines, the authorities know they'll be there. The fines will never be too big to discourage the companies, the authorities make their money. Who pays? You and I in the prices we pay!!!

[@skylarius3757]

the company will either pay it or challenge it if there was no other reasonable place to load/unload.

[@Jas-ym8dz]

@@skylarius3757 I hope the local council withdrew it's alcohol licence at least. No reason the delivery could not be done at night

[@stco2426]

Good and well presented vid!

[@thetruckerseye]

@@stco2426 thank you so much, that's kind of you to say.

[@davidporter9131]

Someone needs to cut the sign down!

[@thetruckerseye]

@@davidporter9131 the council responsible shouldn't have it up there in the 1st place!!!! It's got to be an old sign? It even says 16 tons rather than 18! The funny thing is that you'll get the fine for being good and avoiding it but the people responsible for it being there will be at work in the morning 🙄🤣

[@daverobinson1682]

I deliver nothing inside of the M25 , you want it then meet me at a certain point at a certain time , any clean air city I treat the same , Enjoy your clean air 😂

[@KevinDoyle-r1w]

I refused to go into London years ago when it was just the north and south circular. An educated bloke told me that all goods should arrive by train. I let you figure out my answer to that stupid remark

[@-DC-]

Did 5 years round that dump, That was quite enough to last me a lifetime 😂

[@thetruckerseye]

for sure !

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

Surely the sat nav is programmed from the map rather than the signs? It should direct you the correct way if it's been programmed properly.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 i asked that when one of our drivers got to Asda and asked me how I got there. His sat nav new the times of the restrictions 🤣

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

@@thetruckerseye so was the info on his sat nav correct?

[@stuartwilliams3164]

Stop driving H.G.V.inside London!!

[@meeka3486]

What?

[@selvaratnam]

Yes, London is too busy for HGVs. It's best to ban them entirely and use trains to deliver goods. Trains are the most efficient and environmentally friendly way to transport goods, as many European countries already do.

[@thetruckerseye]

We'd love that tbh, totally impractical though!

[@KeithBurnett-f1o]

When you know what you're talking about then feel free to comment armchair expert, you have no idea

[@court692able]

When I use to work at wickes in Hendon, on busy delivery days we use to have a lorry in our small yard and 2 parked up on the pavement waiting to pull in, it was always a mess

[@John-L-1961]

Some years back while working in container transport we used to load 20" containers at the Stag Brewery ( Was the old Watney's Brewery ) on Lower Richmond Road at Mortlake, this road has these signs as you turn in off of the A316, 18 ton weight limit from 9pm to 7am, However the first container of the day would always be booked in for 6am. I queried this with the brewery staff and was told "Don't worry about that we have trucks in and out 24 hours a day". So maybe that was signage in the wrong place as well 🤷‍♂.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@John-L-1961 i'm not sure how they'd catch you if you didn't have a permit. I believe (I may be wrong) that it's the council that enforces it rather than any Police or TFL cameras. I'll have to find out!!

[@HalfTheWorldAway-gf3wg]

@@thetruckerseye It's not the council, police or cameras. There is a team of enforcement officer who monitor convergence sites or roads and areas with high complaints.

[@flipper2392]

@@thetruckerseye One company I knew based near Kings X, they used to sit outside to catch lorries leaving the yard before 7am.

[@TheBlibo]

Hi Im shure that back in the 70s and 80s in germany that trucks stopped being run at midday on a Friday untill sometime mo day Monday morning, i do t know if this is still the case but it seems quiet civilised to me. As i can remember that at that time many drivers were cramming in as many hours as possible just to make ends meet. And on another front maybe truck opperators should boycott london amd watch it grind to a halt just remember khan is not your freind

[@jerryorange6983]

People vote for that. Perhaps if Lorry drivers stop delivering to London and people will not get their food or Amazon deliveries they might rethink who they vote for.

[@gravemind6536]

Looks like a massive money racket to me.

[@thetruckerseye]

@@gravemind6536 i think you can lose your first 2 words and your last 2 words to make the perfect sentence!

[@daztastic147]

Did that fish r/about sign say 16T rather than 18T?

[@thetruckerseye]

@@daztastic147 YES!!!!! I was waiting for someone to spot it!!! I said to my friend let's see who spots it 🤣

[@daztastic147]

@@thetruckerseye Haha nice, it was the first thing I noticed!

[@davidwebb4904]

Freedom Information Request will get you the figures for lorries wrongly fined

[@thetruckerseye]

@@davidwebb4904 i might have to do that 🤣

[@DJgregBrown]

What pickle! Having live in some crap places near deports I kind of get the need for restriction but this is really bad as it's confusing and signage is not helping, lorry drivers who have to do it all we don't get our food and goods. But it down to that part of London every thing is a mess down there. When I worked as an Road Tax enforcement officers we did our training in a pound down there locked up like a prison. 16 ft army style fencing, bullet prove front gate. Made Slough feel safe after working there. Shortly after I changed jobs to working in a shop, money was shit but job less risky although the shop was a late night petrol garage so we got late night trouble, and travelling criminals as they pass thought. Kind of like the local Travellers as they would piss on own door step and also they would get the other shit when they stole of us. What made me laugh because of the old racists staff that labelled all travellers as thief's the locals ones would come into the store with transparent tops and bags, so to prove they paid and didn't steal things. Jumpers with pockets like ID/credit card pockets on wallets. And those transparent back packs. But to myself the their never had issue, the out of town ones the was chancres, but I never got crap I think it was because I look a little like them as have Ginger, freckles and non rich accent. .

[@anids1988]

well i think im in trouble lol was in london going to the kolak factory this sunday :P

[@thetruckerseye]

Lucky you, that's another half a day lost when you go in there haha

[@knightsnight5929]

Put it all back on the railways where it never should have left.

[@KeithBurnett-f1o]

Are you totally sto9oooopid

[@binonwheels]

Another example of poor/confusing uk sign design and obstruction by vegetation/grime/time How are you supposed to take all of that information in the fraction of a second it is ( maybe ) visible. Wouldn’t fancy doing some of those routes on a bike…. Another shining example of theoretical design by those used to being chauffeured around and unable to operate a steering wheel of any description.

[@stuartpardner4644]

Put distribution centres on the outskirts of London if you want your goods come and get them just a cash grab with a small justification

[@thetruckerseye]

yes please haha

[@thomascatford2627]

Stop all deliveries to London they will soon change their minds

[@233kosta]

And... how exactly do they exoect to get sh!t delivered?

[@jamie-hb8gy]

Used to go into Asda there a lot at all hours,Why is there a restriction there anyway there isn't any houses along the dual carriageway,its total BS.If the TFL don't want hgv's the firm should refuse to deliver inside the M25 End of story.

[@thetruckerseye]

there's a train line and multiple industrial units along that stretch, the sign is in the wrong place!

[@alexfrench3748]

It's pronounced EAR-RITH

[@flipper2392]

I hope you never have to go to Milngavie.

[@intercity125]

Erith is pronounced like ear-iff. I don't think I've heard many non-locals ever get it right!

[@thetruckerseye]

@@intercity125 hahahaha. Do you know the funny thing? I watched this video back to make sure the edit was sort of OK and then realised whether i'd pronounced Erith correctly! E-rith. EErith or whatever. Apologies!!!!! Thanks for correcting though. We always say i'm off to Erith in the way i did 😂

[@ginvr]

Fine by me, just stop all the lorries all the time, let them eat cake

[@5688gamble]

Trucks are providing an essential serlvice, ban the cars instead, get them out of the way of the truckers!

[@neiltitmus9744]

Wait il, stol and read that !?

[@thetruckerseye]

@@neiltitmus9744 you have no chance of reading those signs whilst driving along do you? Unless you stop you're probably going to need to be looking at the road and where you are going whilst trying to read all of that info!

[@allanlockerbie4142]

Geart fantastic geart news it's a shit hole 😅

[@sidhu0272]

I got fine A312 Feltham £275 on the way goin nd after one 1hr on the way back £275 same day within 1hr 😂 nd green Lane Feltham big industrial estate company just 20yr go in i got £275 fine

[@SirHackaL0t.]

Interesting that you call it a ban when the document specifically states it’s not a ban. Click bait.

[@thetruckerseye]

It's a ban. If I can't drive down a certain road at certain times of the day...i'd say i'm banned from doing so.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

@@thetruckerseye at certain times sounds like a restriction.

[@midge225]

They should put a total hgv ban on london 24- 7 , i effin hate drivin in london which is 4 or 5 days every week , just ban hgv permanant