Hi-Tech 3DP Ti Derailleur Hangers for Precision Shifting

[@PeakTorque]

Hey Josh, i am a fan of your work let me say. But, some of your figures have me scratching for the BS meter: at 4:22 the Ti version shows to be 5x stiffer for the same geometry as Aluminium. At absolute best SLM Ti is 1.5x stiffer and Aluminium (105 GPa vs 70GPa), with the same geometry. So how do you come up with that? At 10:20 you say you improve stiffness 6-12x over an Alu hanger. IF you want the ultimate in stiffness you are better off going with steel and in like for like geometry you're only going to get 3x. Please let me know if I have missed something!

[@SupercarAlex150]

Thanks for fact checking this shill man

[@SILCAVelo]

@PeakTorque You are correct for same geometry, which is why we aren't in any way using same geometry (edit from rereading your comment: the Al hanger has an I-beam type cross-section in the model, it just isn't super visible at that angle). You have to account for material removal done to AL hangers to reduce weight, both stock and aftermarket AL hanger designs pretty much all use geometry cast into the part or post machined into the part to reduce weight, this means all material is removed from the outer surfaces of the part, where the material is needed most for both strength and stiffness. With 3DP, we can maintain material at the outermost surfaces of the part, and use infil to strategically move stress through and across the part in ways that are not possible with CNC machined parts. You are also 100% correct that a solid steel hanger plate hanger would be the stiffest option, but at 2-3x the weight of the original AL hanger I don't see too many people actually buying or using one of those, particularly as they wouldn't be cheap either. Lastly, we could have made our numbers look even better if we compared to minimalist CNC hangers like those from Sigeyi or Frames and Gear.. those things are shockingly flexible in both lateral bending and torsion and prone to failure due to excessive machining to hit weight targets, but we have not engaged that topic here at all.

[@SILCAVelo]

While the statistics cited are accurate, the assumptions made about everything else were not, sorry. (edit: realizing @peaktorque assumed equal geometry in the FEA which is not the case, Al hanger was relieved into I-beam type section to match original stock hanger for that model, while Ti hanger in model was hollow.

[@PeakTorque]

OK, interesting! Thank you for replying quickly. The FEA models look more or less like for like but yes could be pocketed behind.@@SILCAVelo

[@PeakTorque]

Working through the numbers out loud. To achieve a 10x increase in bending stiffness (EI) we have a 1.5x increase in material stiffness (E) and a 6.6x increase in geometry stiffness (I). My thru axle bikes' hangers are not pocketed so (I) cannot be increased so I'd be at 1.5x max. Still quite fancy trying one though 😀

[@minimedic7749]

New to cycling last year and so thankful I stumbled upon your brand and channel. Now have a handful of your products and a happy user of waxed chain now. Love it. Been intrigued by these so glad you did video explaining it. And now I know im no world tour rider and never will be. But ordered one of these truly to continue supporting your brand and the marginal benefits it provides. hooray for quick and quiet shifting. Thank you for all you do for the cycling community.

[@SILCAVelo]

Thanks so much for the kind words!

[@jvogel431]

Josh, you are killing me. Every single time I hear you talk about something new from Silca I feel an overwhelming compulsion to buy it. I just ordered the mech hanger for my Tarmac SL7 simply because you told me to. And, I have no doubt that the shifting on my Di2 waxed chain drive train will go from perfect to ultra perfect. Thanks and keep up the amazing work.

[@Saladh_Olivier]

Josh certainly has an incredible skill of presenting/selling. Thanks to him I now have many Silca products 😆

[@BikesKomsCRO]

Bro just bend over and take it....

[@zsoltsiket7222]

😂

[@TnFruit]

This is how marketing works 😅

[@BikesKomsCRO]

@@TnFruit yep, when are dont have any critical thinking skills and believe all marketing hype.

[@cipo36an203]

Josh, I think you took a shortcut saying that low grade, low stiffness aluminium alloy. All the aluminium aloys have mostly the same stiffness at 70GPA. I will agree they may be of low strength (reach plastic deformation with less stress, so permanently bent wisth greater ease). This being said I appreciate the analyse around the specific of a TA frame (versus the traditional rim brake frames)

[@Adonis-qj1nq]

Been waiting for one of these hangers for my Tarmac SL7 for a while now but it was always sold out, but this video reminded me to check for more stock, and finally got my hands on one. Nice informative video regarding the product launch. I think I pretty much have all the Silca products at this point. Can’t wait to see what you come up with next!

[@SILCAVelo]

Thanks for the kind words and sorry on the sell-out.. yes, those specialized ones have been pretty hot sellers, a couple of WT teams wiped us out early on, and with like 30 other variants in total to print, we just never seem to make enough, but we sure are trying!

[@michaelwierzba9307]

Yep, you are completely right. I don't need it. Honestly, I don't even want it. But....I am very interested!

[@mortigard]

Not gonna lie, I was shocked at the price. A cheaper hanger is $20. A nicer one is $40. I figured a 3D ti hanger would cost $500. So yeah, $85 isn't a bad price for a pretty bling product that actually performs a function. I've wasted a lot more money on a lot less useful products on a bike.

[@ankjaers]

I’m far from world tour pro. I think some commuters ride longer over a year than me. But what I am is busy with family, work and just life in general. If I can just save some down time on my bike by not needing to adjust gears this product is worth it to me.

[@eBikerHowie]

Most bike frames are not perfectly aligned with the cassette. I always have to align the derailleur hanger with any new bike I build. How do I accomplish a slight alignment problem with a Ti UDH?

[@jerseybarrier64]

I have the same question. Maybe the reason we bend them is because they are bent to begin with which won't be the case with these?

[@_Zane__]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing...

[@Adonis-qj1nq]

Can’t speak to SRAM, but you can trim the derailleur alignment in the E-Tube app, you can also adjust the cassette alightment using small shims behind the casstee on the free hub. I needed shims to get my 2 wheel sets and trainer to match each other, I then used the E-Tube app to finalize the derailleur. I can now switch between them all without having to re-tune the derailleur each time. Presumably SRAM has a similar app?

[@SILCAVelo]

Couple of things.. so these can be bent without breaking for alignment purposes, it just takes a lot of force, but secondly, the problem is no longer with the frame/hanger.. it's the hanger to hub interface. Like I say in the video, the frame is not just there to be squished in between the hub/hanger and the nut or some version of that.. if the hanger is perpendicular to the hub spindle, nothing else matters. This is a far cry from the QR days where typically the hanger was on the other side of the frame from the hub spindle (which was tiny) and it was all just pinched together with a spindly little rod.

[@davidlilja9180]

Another great Silca engineered, MG product, Josh. You must already know that your customers and audience await every single new Silca product release. It gets all of us with open-minds thinking more about other MG opportunities, too. 🤔 I get why you suggest these are only for thru-axle bikes! 👍 However, already I can hear my Cervelo RCA frameset screaming out loud, 😱 "What about me?" (🎶), unlike my R5 & RS framesets that don't care nearly so much. 🥱 You may have heard a classic Aussie song with this title above. My wallet also shouts out similar things. Potentially catastrophic events are always a threat to bikes ridden in the real world. Sticks and crashes don't care what brake system you're riding with, they can just happen to any of us. Even you said that non thru-axled frames are more vulnerable to such damage.🤪 There are a few (possibly many) brands that have used the exact same hanger over many generations of their frames. Will you re-consider making hangers for some of the perhaps 'more collectable' framesets? Some of us are not yet interested in, or able to, consider thru-axles. Didn't you wanna help us keep these bikes out of landfill, too? 😭This will become especially so as original spec hangers become less accessible as spares. It's not like I'm asking you to make a taller sock for those of us who are, in fact, taller, is it? 😇 🙏

[@marcospola]

Amazing product, as usual! And the explanation is like a phD lecture, i love it

[@TheGinger1]

Can they be anodised funky colours if we ask really nicely?

[@openwheelracing88]

Just built a BMC TM SLR with direct mount hanger. It was way off from factory. I bent it back straight but realized just how flexy and soft it is.

[@Primifluous]

That's to save the frame from damage.

[@robdogracing]

Nice work Silca Fam! Im Currently an “acoustic kid” with all cable actuated shifting and rim brake bikes, but you better believe it when I eventually upgrade to a bike with through axles. I’m getting one of these nifty Ti Silca hangers.

[@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj]

Litespeed made a Ti hanger for the C1 when that bike came out in probably 2010. The Ti hanger worked so much better than the original aluminum hanger. It was definitely a worthwhile upgrade. I would be interested in hangers for SystemSix and a Hanzo

[@iwalkfree]

For anyone who does airline travel and has had a hanger bent during transit (which is quite common), this might be a very good idea. This is speculation on my part though - hopefully Silca responds with their feedback on this offshoot reason to go with the Ti hanger.

[@glenspringle7337]

I first ran into “exotic metal 3D printing” is a thing about 2014. I went to a professional turbocharger-jet expo. I was working in turbo charger testing and manufacturing. At the expo, there were 2 or 3 suppliers 3D-printing jet turbine tips. I actually think it was Inconel 3D printing, but the market was there to run exotic-metal 3D printers, costing $1M or more just for jet turbine tips…

[@chanstevens9658]

Count me in the want but don't need camp, but can't imagine Silca being able to scan/replicate the custom hanger on my Battaglin. By the way, I think the correct term for kidding mechanical shifting is analog, not acoustic 😉

[@wehiro]

Campagnolo Super Record 12s ... which Hanger should I buy ... I think the Shimano one should work better right ? ... When are the Hangers for Tarmac SL6 back in Stock? THX!

[@850arrrsaylikepirate]

Great video and would love to get one for each of my 2023 Giant TCR Advanced SL bikes.

[@brianmcinnis3886]

I would love to see a hanger for the Otso WARAKIN TI. Thanks for my favorite tech show on the internet!

[@mikeracine7518]

I set up my Kona Sutra with a 1x12 Sram Eagle XO AXS Long cage derailleur, and the aluminum Derailleur hangar just isn’t strong enough to handle the shifting loads. This is certainly the answer to my problem…

[@hbade]

Can't wait to get one for the BMC Teammachine R!

[@stephenkohler3472]

I would love to get one for my Ibis Mojo 4. The same hanger is used on a ton of pre-UDH Ibis models.

[@billmaidment5623]

How do I select the correct model for my bike? Specialized Aethos, Niner RLT 9 RDO, Santa Cruz Tallboy

[@BrandonAquino-mu5fl]

Hi Josh, can you tell me which model hanger for my 2021 Scott Addict RC Pro? Thanks!

[@Verfblikje]

How much improvement wil I feel on a cable actuated drivetrain?

[@PederNestingen]

I have this same question. In the video, Josh says the product is really designed for electric shifting, which has a greater shift load. So with cable shifting, would there be no benefit, minimal benefit, or marginal benefit. (Appreciate Silca products and vids!)

[@HazzyWazzey]

Will give this a go whenever my Sigeyi hanger may snap

[@SuperJungeJunge]

Im curious what the minimum threshold is to get a new variation printed? Ive got a few bikes that aren't the most common, but would be open to paying for the set up for a set of hangers.

[@cauldron101]

If you were to choose in a fall what to damage, what would that be, the frame, the hanger, the derailleur? Congrats! With your ever hard titanium derailleur you will damage your derailleur, or your frame, or both, but you will save that hanger!

[@JS-bs2vb]

Brilliant! Yes, it’s for me even though I’m not a pro. Can you make it for Wilier 0 SLR/SL.

[@tippy35075]

I've got a Norco optic, would be nice to have, I've had a hanger snap off and result in spoke and rear triangle damage, thank goodness for warranty, the replaced both

[@nateisright]

I’m excited to get one on my UDH Santa Cruz Blur. If you breathe on my standard UDH it goes out of alignment.

[@ElevationEveryWeekend]

I got to test the GX Transmission extensively, and the shift execution is impressive. I have a new Ibis DV9 with UDH and regular GX, if this Ti hanger gets me anything closer to the Transmission feel I might need to try it.

[@nizerp]

A little UX feedback from a UX research professional - (1) the selection on the product details page is confusing. First, "Step 1" is less obvious than the text form, which has a very high "type here" affordance; in other words, the selection is too subtle. Second, "Step 1" starts with the UDH compatible piping which is far less obvious knowledge than "select brand". Recommendations (A) replace piping architecture on PDP with a simple drop down like you see in the "no" piping path. (2) Move/gate the "what's next" form after a selection of "other" in the brand dropdown selector. I suspect this will help a little with conversions - at least a little.

[@SILCAVelo]

Thanks and forwarded to our e-comm person. Sorry, we try super hard, but aren't exactly web or UX designers, so thanks for the feedback!

[@BruceJFriedman]

Ha! Was thinking the same. Site needs a bit of professional UX design help. You may not be web experts but you ARE an eCommerce driven company so removing friction in the buying process is just as important as removing friction in cycling.

[@JaysonBryant]

So when will the Scott Addict RC '21 hanger be available ?

[@DeltaEchoVictorEchoRomeo]

Please consider adding a hanger for 2021 Specialized Turbo Levo SL, thanks!

[@laneromel5667]

I recently switched to a Ti bike with thru axle, what I noticed immediately was how much crisper the shifts were.

[@ianthedondaws7559]

Love these information videos and love this product and hope I can get one for my pinarello grevil f gravel bike soon 🙏

[@jaisonranchhod6646]

Sounds like a good product, but im still on rim brakes, but would consider for a thru axle based bike

[@paulpoletes6341]

Josh, in the video you mentioned using the TI hanger with a b-link. How does the b-link or a Wolftooth Road Link affect the stiffness of the combined hanger and b-link? Does flex in the link negate at all the stiffness we gain from the TI hanger?

[@EricRidesDirt]

I'm sold, I need this!!! Just bummed that Lauf Tru Grit uses a proprietary hanger.

[@FSE-Coaching]

Would love a hangar for Trek Checkpoint and Trek Supercaliber. Thanks!

[@bikecommuter24]

I have no need to buy something like that but I got no negative feelings or comments on it, I think it is great the technology is advancing the way it is.

[@Biketech4us]

Nooooo -- gonna have to get one after my last, stupid traffic light unclip failure cos a car changed their mind about moving off. Josh is taking too much of my $$ for cool products. Thx for the super explanation. $20 or $85?? Can sleep tonight

[@chrisridesbicycles]

Two questions: Could the used grade of titanium be anodized in colors? On the MTB, the internal structure will most likely fill up with dirt quickly. Is there a solution for that?

[@dwampss]

Are these designed to be direct mount hangers with Shimano rear derailleurs?

[@BruceJFriedman]

Can’t wait for a 707. Colnago V3RS.

[@cyberspace66]

I’ll take anything Silca puts out with data and pro/tour-tested results. Josh will explain things to bring it into perspective without marketing jargon IMO. Give him a break… they have overhead to account for, possible silent investors they have to satisfy as well as respecting the original family who owned/started the brand. I don’t know, but he does provide data to the gospel and I’ll try if it sounds good. It also helps he’s been in the science end of the industry for sometime prior to Silca. To date, I’ve purchased the Ti bottle cages (several), tattico mini pump, chain wax in the bag (first release,) first release of secret chain lube sauce (when it had WAY more tungsten in it than in recent years), thick ass bar tape, tire levers (great btw), gear wipes, T-ratchet set, Hirobel clamp and the Seat Capsule. Call me a bike junkie (which I’m not as I have other hobbies), but I’ve seen and bought enough junk over the years to filter quality products. I’m happy with Silca overall. Just my 2 drops of tungsten disulfide.

[@William.Driscoll]

Bravo- Well done.

[@stuartdryer1352]

Wish I could get one for my non-Specialized, non-Trek bike.

[@CaesarrrZ]

Hi! Any plans yet to add one for the BMC Teammachine?

[@TV-ui1tl]

Josh looks like a great product. Will you be making for TIME ADHX?

[@ccatwood]

The finite element model visualization is nice. How about a non-linear finite element simulation (ls-dyna) of the gyroid crushing mode (stick catching derailleur)?

[@ItsThatAaron]

Would love to have one for the latest Merida Scultura/Reacto etc. Just got to make one design for most merida road bikes :D

[@jeanm289]

Can you make a direct mount for Bastion and Standert please, willing to pay double 🙏

[@eddisonli]

Tried using your hanger finder calculator to find out which is the model for LAB71. It said 101 however 101 doesn’t works with Cannondale LAB71 at all.

[@SILCAVelo]

Sorry, the SuperSix EVO w/SpeedRelease is prior to the new Lab71, we just received CAD from Cannondale on the Lab71 and hope to have that available in 4-6 weeks.

[@daveandrews9936]

Are these going to be produced again? Looking for a 102 Shimano.

[@CL-dh2mf]

Would be so great if you could make one for the Kona Sutra LTD from 2017 with qr. That thing is crazy soft. I bent it, so I ordererd one at the lbs. Didnt fit.😬 Many bikepackers would love you for that Im sure!❤

[@CatManDoSocial]

I had a stick do exactly as you described last year on my MTB and I had to get a new rear triangle, AXS derailleur, hanger, and chain. That was a terrible experience, and given my trails, it could easily happen again. I'll be getting the Silca hanger if you have them for a 2018 Specialized Epic Carbon.

[@janeblogs324]

A stick do what? I've got an epic with broken rear triangle too, apparently a known issue but they can snap the chain stay in the work stand just from tightening the swingarm too tight (or not tight enough will do the same damage and will snap next time you torque it up)

[@CatManDoSocial]

@@janeblogs324Haha. A stick got caught in my rear spokes in front of the RD. As the wheel continued to spin, it pulled the RD up and around, ripping the RD/hanger off but not before severely damaging the carbon on the inside of the dropout. It destroyed the RD, hanger, and chain and broke off a tooth on my X01 cassette in the process. So a stick cost me a small fortune in a fraction of a second.

[@5amba]

I already see me cleaning all the gunk out of that Ti structure... lol they are all sold out 🙈😄

[@glenspringle7337]

Wait…did you just say “collapsing like a ream of paper”? That is so hard core mechanical designer. Most people couldn’t even tell you what a “ream of paper is” {larger stack of thin sheets maybe about an 1” thick?)

[@PetexRocc]

I have noticed the Cannondale EF team have actually stopped using a custom direct mount hanger so...

[@5amba]

please make one for Scott Addict / Addict Gravel 🙏

[@matteo.ceriotti]

I went to check the hanger for my bike... the Canyon model is called "Endurace"!

[@donwinston]

Why can't there be a set of standard derailleur hangers? I feel I have to buy numerous spare hangers in case the company I bought the frame from stops making them. I crash frequently and use up a couple every year or so on my rim brake bike. I just bought a brand new disc brake bike. I haven't built it yet. It is my first disc brake bike. Never even ridden one before. Does this mean I don't have to worry about this anymore? Are disc brake bike hangers all the same? News to me if so.

[@SILCAVelo]

No standard yet.. SRAM is trying with the UDH, but only a handful of brands have adopted it yet.. fingers crossed that we'll find some sanity here and the industry can converge on a solution for once!!

[@SGTTEMPEST]

But it really can be a little wasteful? Seem like hangars that have long attachments like the silca 107 shimano vs the 107 sram for the madone '22 this will be more pronounced. If you shorten up the arm the stiffness will go up and will be far less impactful in the above situation? Be curious to see actual deflection difference in the 107 sram vs shimano and also compared to the stock ones. I did buy the sram 107 but question my sanity!

[@chrikim67]

I´m definately one of those, that are in the market for a 3D printed derailleur hanger. I live in Denmark and unfortunately it doesn't seem that the Silca EU site is up and running. Will that happen soon? 🤞

[@Camerooony11]

There have been a couple instances where my bike was stationary and fell over on its drive side. The stock derailleur hanger got bent and I had to pay $20 at my LBS to get it realigned. Would the same thing happen with a 3DP Ti derailleur hanger?

[@SILCAVelo]

Totally depends on how hard it landed.. 95% of the time, it wouldn't bend as it's much stronger and stiffer than aluminum, but if the bike fell in a way that it hit purely on the derailleur at a certain level, then the hanger will break and need to be replaced. It's sort of an odds game, but most aluminum hangers bend at a low percentage of the impact that will damage other parts of the bike, say 20%.. while we don't bend or see damage at those loads, but then break when you get to ~90% of the load that will damage other parts of the bike in order to protect those other (more expensive) parts.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Titanium makes everything better.

[@DH1dh]

Josh, sort out your stock levels, stop teasing us with what we could have 🤷‍♂️ I’ve been wanting one since the launch. So, where and how can we buy one please?

[@_Zane__]

Do you think 3d printed glass filled nylon would work for a hanger?

[@SILCAVelo]

Definitely not.. we see the lightweight CNC aluminum ones fail at surprisingly high rates in the field as the forces are quite a bit higher than seems obvious at first. There are a couple of good forum threads on the internet on both 3DP plastic and lightweight CNC aluminum hangers that you can find with Google, interesting stuff!

[@singzi999]

Merida Silex 10K 2024❤

[@chefsmac6910]

Please make some derailleur hangers for new Look bikes. I have replaced two hangers for a 2023 765. I’m pretty sure those hangers were made from cheese.

[@martinwiire]

Question - isn't the point of a "soft" hanger also to protect the rear derailleur?

[@janeblogs324]

1980s-90s never had an issue with stiff steel hangers. Shimano Derailleurs are only $100 with a clutch so they are as cheap as this hanger

[@n0ch91c3s]

It was never to protect the derailleur. It was to protect the frame.

[@tomcarney654]

I have a question if have a crash which will fail first the derailer or your hanger ? The derailer would be cable style 12 speed with a udh hanger

[@SILCAVelo]

The hanger is designed to fail before derailleur or frame are damaged, but of course it just so depends on the actual situation/condition.. something like a stick in the derailleur, or a very hard perpendicular impact on derailleur itself still has the capacity to pretty much break everything.. but for the most common impacts, laying the bike down on the drive side, derailleur impacted by a wheel or foot from another rider, minor crashing, it should be fine.

[@tomcarney654]

Thank you for detailed reply

[@mikehhhhhhh]

When can we expect new stock of the specialized shimano hanger?

[@SILCAVelo]

We're making them every day.. but sales demand continues to outstrip production. Please keep an eye out, we're generally putting more in inventory every day or every other day.

[@HarishChouhan]

Josh does Silca make this for Ceepo bike frames?

[@nilspetersen5566]

I got one of these for my Dogma F and noticed that it has a different shape than the original. Is this deliberate or did I get the wrong model?

[@SILCAVelo]

Pinarello direct mount from Pinarello inverts the positions of the 2 dropout pieces, requiring both to change if you go from standard to direct. Our hanger uses the outer plate from the standard hanger and replaces only the inner piece so that you don't have to replace both. Hope that makes sense? If you have further questions please email our help line from our website www.silca.cc

[@donschloth5785]

Josh, will the Hanger 105 fit the latest Crux frameset? 2022/23

[@icecreamheadache]

So what I'm seeing is: compared to the chart at 14:06, the website high-level lists only the direct mount derailleurs on the hanger page. So if you go to the 105 product page, that's for a direct mount Shimano hanger. But then if you click the 'Sram' option (and if the pic change is correct), you're now buying the 205 hanger, which is equivalent to the stock hanger the Crux comes with. It's kind of confusing, hopefully Silca can confirm (or correct) what I wrote haha.

[@donschloth6673]

I saw that AFTER I ordered! Looks like I’ll be doing an exchange

[@nokia6800]

Scott addict rc 2020+ please! I've been trying ti get it for month

[@thedronescene7474]

You need to do one for Moots Road and Gravel Bikes. Specially the Vamoots CRD.

[@teunluijbregts2533]

Now this product I can see the gains - nice👍👍 Will you be making a 34.9 front derailleur clamp as well? (Asking cause I have a titanium frame I need to install a 2x12 GRX derailleur on - no technical gains just to make it look cool 😋)

[@joshadam8185]

This looks great. WIll you be making one for Orbea Orca Aero?

[@SILCAVelo]

Orbea has been a brand that is not forthcoming with hanger designs and hangers are rather hard to find to buy and scan. We're working to add them to the list, but it will not be quick!

[@joshadam8185]

@@SILCAVelo awesome thanks, I will keep my eye out for it. You would think bike companies would be more supportive of this type of work. Appreciate your research.

[@svenbiberstein]

I second this request!

[@svenbiberstein]

@@SILCAVeloI have a spare new derailleur hanger for the Orbea Orca Aero here. Should I send it to you, so that it could be faster in offering a TI version for this frame?

[@PetexRocc]

He is a good salesman

[@youngb3]

are canyon grail and grizl hangers the same?

[@kenneththomas3558]

Love it

[@vyprcanakunda]

looks like nice 10 usd 3d printed hangar with some removed outerwalls and gyroid infill

[@rayF4rio]

This is (like Josh says) for pro's who don't have to pay, and for the gear geeks who have money to burn. I fall into the later category, but this overpriced "upgrade" is one step too far down the ridiculous rabbit hole for me. One thing for sure, Dr. Porter sure knows how to sell, his marketing hype is next level. However, I will say that my Tattico pump awesome!! I just wish my Silca aero socks were a little taller. 😂

[@Vam1500]

I am looking forward to the upcoming Silca 14 speed all carbon/titanium electronic self charging cold fusion room temperature superconducting groupset in partnership with open AI, SpaceX, and Nvidia.

[@tracerxrider]

Here for the knowledge, staying for the comments.

[@undrwings]

I'm the lame-o with the older bike and a QR. Guess this is one Silca product i'll pass on for now. Maybe thru-axle soon!

[@matthewjackson4923]

I love and use most of the Silca products but this has really not been thought through, the hanger acts like a spring so there is no way to align the derailleur. I've sent mine back and waiting for a reply from Silca.

[@AverageBensCycling]

Waiting for my bikes to be included (salsa and argon18)

[@Saladh_Olivier]

One for Time ADH Disc pretty please 🙏

[@davidide1525]

Do you make one for a 2012 Moots VaMoots CR ?

[@SILCAVelo]

We won't make them for rim brake bikes, thru-axle only, and are talking with Moots now about hangers for thru-axle models. Thanks!

[@brandonposer3026]

Please make a Syntace version.

[@jackmorrissey5318]

Please make one for the Orbea Orca Aero (MY 2022 and onwards) Thanks

[@galenkehler]

A "Trojan Horse" is not the right analogy, for 2 reasons. 1. The horse had no practical purpose in itself 2. The hidden contents of the horse was destructive to the recipients. A better analogy would be the planting of legumes in depleted soil to help to regenerate and fix nitrogen, as it takes a poor situation and improves it for any subsequent crop, but specifically helps to set the stage for planting nitrogen consuming crops.

[@davideisemann3335]

Dude laser sinter an element 22 version of a road link