Hidden Family

Princess Margaret, played by Helena Bonham Carter is incredible in this episode of The Crown...this scene in particular. Finding out about a lesser-known part of the royal family's history...and how also she felt she was treated by her family.

[@gerardcollins80]

Literally anything happens. The Queen Mother: But... *the abdication*

[@carson11100]

I know. Hence why she is an awful character……. Deflecting responsibility at all costs. I suppose Edward shoved all the smokes into Bertie’s mouth as well.

[@HookedOnSonics518]

Lord Mountbatten brought it up all the time when Charles did something to displease him. Constantly used Edward VIII as an example on how NOT to be the Prince of Wales.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

@@carson11100 My God, I dislike the Queen Mum in the Crown

[@patriciabusch4599]

I've read the queen mother was quite the elitist and a huge snob makes sense that she would blame all the problems on the abdication and want to hide anyone that wasn't a reflection of perfection

[@Interceptor810]

King Charles pen doesn't work properly Queen Mothers ghost: THE ABDICATION

[@saulramirez3056]

That "Shame on all of you!" is POWERFUL AF, Helena Bonham Carter is such a good actress!!!!

[@kasekuchen9350]

Yes i love sheeee

[@fitness2947]

Didn't she also play the Queen consort/The Queen Mother in The King's Speech?

[@lexusdriver1963]

Princess Margaret really had the right to get angry at her mom.

[@lyndacreager5949]

I love her!!! Excellent actress

[@ramal5708]

"Darwin had nothing on all of you lot" too

[@PandoraKyss]

Me, one hour before my shift - "I'm sorry, I won't be able to come into the office today." Salty Boss - "Why?" Me - "The abdication of course."

[@trinapowell4436]

Perfection!

[@AzguardMike]

Kinda like how at the moment, everything that goes wrong, the West just says "Its Russia."

[@AtlasBlizzard]

Boss: "Understandable, have a good day."

[@sapphirewingthefurrycritic985]

Ugh God, that is horrible. I looked it up, the nurses interviewed in a documentary mentioned they have no records of anyone visiting them or even sending them a damn birthday card or Christmas card. The WORST and most hypocritical part is that Queen Mother was a patron of a charity for the mentally disabled.

[@kimberlybellard6972]

I’m autistic & even I’m sickened by this fact

[@Threeleebird]

The worst thing is that they remembered their family and knew who they were. RF never visited them even when the world learned how they had been hidden. RF simply ignored them for the rest of their lives as if they didn't exist or didn't matter. It's so horrible and miserable.

[@klaudiagrob]

That is for show .

[@josephbradley1903]

@@kimberlybellard6972 i feel the same way have you watched the lost Prince? He was concealed from public life because of his autism. The late Queens uncle John.

[@AnimatedBlast]

@@kimberlybellard6972Who cares what you think?

[@lagracie1012]

This is especially terrible when you read the story of Princess Alexandrine of Prussia. She was born during WWI and diagnosed with Downs Syndrome shortly after birth. Unlike the British Royal Family, her family did not hide her away and she appeared in family photographs and attended public engagements. She was clearly very loved. What was the British Royal Family's excuse?

[@dragoonguard7278]

abdication XD

[@nodatastored684]

@@dragoonguard7278 yup, the Abdication as always

[@glazierblue573]

There snobs. Plain and simple... sadly it was a trend through the line of royals long before the Elizabeth ll. Even from in Henry 8th time. If a royal child was born who wasnt perfect... they were never seen as any kind of disorder is seen as a weakness.. I like to think William and Kate and there future generations wont be as prejudice.

[@MsJubjubbird]

Well for starters the progressive views of the Prussian Royal Family were unusual for the time. People with disabilities were only seen as people with rights very recently. The way these family members were treated is not unusual for the time. Add to that, the British Royal Family were worried about the tenure of their position. Many royal families had fallen in recent times, including the Germans, and the Brits were doing everything to ensure they didn't go the same way. They had already had a family member abdicate. If they were seen as to be weak or defective- because people with disabilities were something of ridicule and a possible sign of defectiveness inthe bloodlines- it could harm the strength of their position even further.

[@shimanopetermann9068]

Well my theory is that It might've had something to do with different levels of democracy in Prussia and the UK. Pre WWI Prussia was more absolute than 20th century UK and the royal family held a considerable amount of power and authority and was thus less dependent on public opinion. Post WWI UK was on the other hand a monarchy that tried to prevail during a time when monarchies around them were abolished. They had to come up with anreason for their existence andnthat reason was impersonating stability and the perfect family to set an example. As such "imperfections" were a threat tontheir existence. Prussia on the other hand had cencorship of media and the thought of republicanism was treasonous. To criticize the King for openly displaying a disabled member of the royal family would've been a no-go.

[@AtlasBlizzard]

In this episode, Margaret was struggling with her own mental health, so to her, this was not only a horrible revelation, but another betrayal by her family.

[@kairokimurach]

it was fairly common back then .. the Kennedy's had one .. I think it was a female relative whom they secretly sent to a mental institution where she died

[@vodkagal28]

@@kairokimurach Rosemary. Joe Kennedy Sr. locked her up,and never told anyone where she was. They only found her after he died.

[@t.wcharles2171]

​@@vodkagal28they actually lobotomised her which left her unable to speak.

[@vodkagal28]

@@t.wcharles2171 yeah,on her father's order

[@t.wcharles2171]

@@vodkagal28 her life was a deeply tragic one.

[@CC3193]

The Queen's cousin Katherine Bowes-Lyon died in just 2014, very recent. It is shameful that she and her institutionalisation is not publicly acknowledged and regretted.

[@carson11100]

This is just disgusting…… I’m glad they portrayed this situation accurately here…. Don’t give me this BS that the Queen Mother thought her nieces were dead until the 80s…… they were locked up, disowned and forgotten by their family to protect their reputations and only given minor acknowledgment when their actions were exposed…….. shameful.

[@Sunny25611]

This scenario is just as common now maybe less so but still common among we American “peasants” . . too.

[@sazzieb1]

They were put there by their next of kin... not the royals. And commonplace amongst all people irrespective of class.

[@faizaniftikhar8732]

@@sazzieb1 doesn't gives an excuse to be declared dead though.

[@freethoughts2898]

You're a presentist. Unless you are their age and have a sibling with DS you paraded while you were monarch, stop fiddling your own violin. There's nothing worse than someone who others people just to make themselves feel better. Get over yourself.

[@susanlynch1966]

It wasn't accurate; it is a work of fiction based on real people's lives. You shouldn't think of it a documentary, because it isn't.

[@marvin3939]

“if you don’t fit the perfect mold of silent dutiful supplication. you will be spat out, or hidden or worst : declared dead” okay diana and meghan reference 🥺

[@falconeshield]

Compared to the disabled nieces Diana and Meghan got lucky. Yes even Diana.

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

Meghan? Lol..She is unfit everywhere..

[@taymur0804]

The "declared dead!" gives me the chills

[@gabygaby5701]

Dutiful??? Dress well and smile, and most importantly keep your mouth shut. And that’s about it

[@AA-yc8yr]

Neither Diana nor Meghan are some sort of victims. They each made their choices, and in the case of Meghan, she couldn't be bothered to perform the duties that came with her marriage, she just wanted the glamour and the celebrity status.

[@SkepticalChris]

Assuming that this actually happened, it really humanizes the glamorous and rather snobbish image of Princess Margaret, to show that she was horrified to find out that members of her family were locked up for being mentally imbalanced rather than attended to with care and love.

[@stipojelovic1022]

I saw this episode yesterday and it made me really sad. You are right that Margarets reaction was appropriate and showed her as real human being with feelings but in the end Margaret didn't do anything. Why didn't she visit them? Bring them some basic gifts like cake or some clothes? In the end I was disappointed by Margaret.

[@carson11100]

Don’t forget in real life she played no part in discovering their existence nor did she confront her mother….. she was part of the conspiracy most likely

[@gerardcollins80]

From what I know Margerets involvement in the discovery of her relatives institutionalisation was entirely fabricated. In real life she was probably none the wiser.

[@lagracie1012]

@@stipojelovic1022 I was disappointed too. In the end it was all about how HER worry about ending up like them, not her concern for them. She was only concerned about herself. Remember up until the last meeting with the psychiatrist she was under the impression that they had a mental illness not a learning disability.

[@Kanuck1818]

They were doing "damage control"...plus....remember what time in history this took place. It unfortunately and heartbreakingly was the norm....

[@Lee-cz8dh]

The sad thing is none of them ever went to visit or even attend one of their funerals

[@gerardcollins80]

And they were buried with a simple serial tag to mark their graves. It was only after it all came to light were the sisters given headstones.

[@sharknado623]

@@gerardcollins80 God... So cruel...

[@rebeccac.1758]

As a mother of 2 teenagers with profound autism, I can't understand how someone could do this. I realize times were different, but my children are my entire life. I'm obsessed with them. I take them everywhere, no matter how hard it is. I would never hide them. I'm so proud of them!

[@Argie87]

But the abdication…

[@phillipbotter6470]

You just said I realise that times were different yet you cant understand how, because times were different.

[@shaneyaw4542]

Interestingly, the same genetic mutation that gives rise to this condition in humans analogously gives rise to loyalty and friendliness in canines and has lead to the coevolution of humans and dogs.

[@g00gleminus96]

This was before the deinstitutionalization movement transitioned people who live with intellectual challenges out of institutions and into the community. Most people had no idea how bad things were in the places where vulnerable people were hidden away.

[@DM-it1qf]

As an autistic woman, learn to tell the difference between autism and autism with intellectual disabilities. Identify your own likely autism as well.

[@LTAD-xi6sw]

4:40 “Darwin had nothing on you lot” Jesus Margaret, that was bloody quick

[@taymur0804]

Who's Darwin?

[@LTAD-xi6sw]

@@taymur0804 Charles Darwin, survival of the fittest

[@RivkahSong]

I think one of the most telling parts of all this is that when Nerissa died in 1986 only hospital staff were at the funeral and her grave stone was a simple plastic cross with a serial number and surname written on it until the story hit the news and blew up. Only then did Nerissa's nieces and nephews bother to buy an actual (though very simple and unadorned) headstone. The RF can claim ignorance or insist the 5 girls in the hospital were still loved and considered family but the facts speak for themselves.

[@monicaalexandru9638]

jesus…. no wonder edward viii abdicated.

[@lilsleepy1969]

Helena Bonham's performance here gives me chills GODAMN

[@stevena.2306]

The line, no it’s not, it’s wicked, cold hearted and it’s cruel… gets me every time. So well delivered by Helena.

[@its-all-happening2172]

Ms. Helena is always absolutely incredible in anything she appears on.

[@danielwhittaker695]

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[@cece8095]

Easily one the most satisfying scenes in the show, there towards the end. The Royal Family did not want anything disturbing the crown, their Royal image and their duties. Margaret was a good woman to call out the cruelty that that family displayed half the time. And to think her mother (who I’m sure in good will really had some somewhat understandable reasons for doing it, considering the times back then) was one to justify just about anything.

[@selenablonder5096]

I live near Earlswood, where they were kept... we all knew about it growing up, and I was shocked at how many only discovered through The Crown.

[@KAIJUKING123]

As a fellow disabled person who has autism this saddens me deeply that someone could be so cruel by keeping the perfect children and throwing away the so called “reject batch of disabled children” and forgetting they even existed just so someone can protect there public imagine. This disgusts me how can people be so heartless and cruel to someone just because they ain’t quote on quote “PERFECT”. All children no matter who they are deserve the love of their friends family and loved ones, and not treated like garbage to be set out to the curb for garbage pickup.

[@louisthehedgehog2005]

I am autistic as well and I agree with you a lot ❤ I always feel bad when I cause problems for my family but they love me no matter what 😊

[@justathoughtmyfriend1403]

Hey, neurodivergent tribe. I was just going to ask if you meant to say "public imagine" because if you didn't, it still makes sense. Actually hits the nail on the hammer more than "image." This is why I say Diana was bigger than a royal. She needed to humanize that facade somehow.

[@taymur0804]

I too as diagnosed ASD truthfully understand this situation. Helena's performance is powerful here.

[@olgajastrzebska5607]

I love Princess Margaret. She is a true person, not a doll

[@rupertsmith5815]

In the show she didn’t do this in real life

[@jaywilliams6461]

@@rupertsmith5815 how do u know that?

[@rupertsmith5815]

@@jaywilliams6461 Because factually there is no evidence and she has never claimed it . And the show is historical fiction and often have the characters do things they didn’t in real life for drama

[@charlessoutherton8946]

this scene is iconic and very emotional in every way, Margaret had every right to stand up. Image ruins everything in the end and silence can't be bought by money or suppressed by an institution like the monarchy for very long. truth will out regardless.

[@sakaya9878]

Wait until you hear what happened to JFK's sister. Their mother who buried 2 murdered sons said what they did to her daughter is the thing that haunted her the most.

[@sandydog426]

By the time of her death, Rose Kennedy had lost 5 children-John, Bobby, Joe Jr., and Kathleen to war, accidents, and murder, and Rosemary to a fate arguably worse than death.

[@sierralovat5498]

You mean her forced upon lobotomy

[@gabygaby5701]

Not to defend her, but it was standard treatment back then… it was medically advised. Fortunately those things aren’t done anymore

[@trailhiacabano7024]

Ohh gosh I've read about her. Lobotomy is the worst.

[@conchobar]

@@gabygaby5701 It was common practice, as the rich still wanted to pretend they were better off than the rest of society. It also allowed quacks to experiment on patients in the dark. Psychology is an Art, not a science.

[@crazylizard1889]

I just realised that Helena has played both people in that last scene

[@samwiserando]

and she did a fantastic job at both roles

[@EughhBrothereughh]

I don't get it

[@samwiserando]

@@EughhBrothereughh she played the queen mother in the movie "the kings speech" so she has played both roles

[@adamthevirgo9297]

Hopefully one day the Royal Family will realize their mistake and give the sisters a proper memorial service

[@henrylivingstone2971]

Not so fun fact: the Bowes Lyons, Queen Elizabeth’s maternal family, the Queen mother’s side of the family has a long history of genetic and physical disability most likely due to rampant inbreeding in order to maintain family wealth. In fact during the 19th century a child was born to the family which was said to be so deformed it was barely recognizable as a human. With flesh as smooth as porcelain and a head as round and bulbous as an egg. He was said to have died at birth as a stillborn but the midwife from the local village who was witness to the birth reporter that he was very much alive. Villagers at the time held the belief that the monster child survived and was locked away in the ancestral home of the Bowes Lyons, Glamis Castle. For years rumors circled about the true heir of Glamis castle and the title to the earldom of Strathmore. It is said that the egg man of Glamis was bricked into one of the rooms of the castle and was only allowed to interact with the guard in front of his room. The one window being his only connection to the outside world. The rumors were so prevalent they even reached the inner circle of Queen Victoria herself. Years after the heirs of the earl of Strathmore decided to see if the legends were true and tried to find the secret room. She had the house staff put up white cloth over every window in the castle to see if there was a room that was unseen from the inside. When all the clothes were put up, the countess noticed that there was one room with no cloth a room she had never seen before in one of the castles towers. She never was able to find the room and left it alone. Until years later when a surveyor and conservationist was looking at the house and found a secret room behind a brick wall, inside were a small cot, a chair, a small table, and a toilet more of a closet than a room. And considering the Bowes Lyon had a history of hiding afflicted members of their family maybe the legends just might be true.

[@falconeshield]

No way they didn't find it. It was convient to say to the public that they did not.

[@Interceptor810]

*family does some awful thing* Queen mother: THE ABDICATION!

[@robertolmstead1346]

“Why was Andrew hanging around with Jeffrey Epstein?” Queen Mother’s ghost: The abdication!

[@chingizzhylkybayev8575]

@@robertolmstead1346 I mean... That would be correct, technically. If Andrew were to be some random prince rather than the second son in the direct line of succession, he wouldn't feel the need to act out.

[@Interceptor810]

​@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 whouldnt he be in line anyway since King Edward had no children so the crown would still go to his younger brother or to the queen like it did

[@BiG-JuPO1O1]

@@robertolmstead1346 Lmao

[@BiG-JuPO1O1]

She like what about abdication tho 👀

[@katebaxenden2927]

I have a mild learning disability this is disgusting thank you for giving disabled people like a voice a chance to be heard and for showing that we are human beings as well we laugh we cry he hurt we feel

[@missygraceful]

Helena bonham carter nailed this role 🙌

[@lexusdriver1963]

I actually agree with mostly Princess Margaret in this scene. I think Princess Margaret had a right to get angry with her mom. Even though the five members of the royal family acted like that they’re still human beings.

[@Serai3]

"Acted like that"? They were disabled, dude. They weren't "acting" like anything.

[@pebbleyre310]

@@Serai3 'acted' is used as a word for behaved.

[@akshayretheesh7221]

This is not the first time King George V had a son Prince John who was hidden away as well and he was the child of a king

[@matteusconnollius1203]

Reminds me of Rosemary Kennedy, JFK's sister who was secluded after her failed lobotomy

[@projectdifferentologybymay329]

@@matteusconnollius1203 it’s all heinous how depraved those in the positions of power are…. All of these mention above, lord knows how many countless more and not to mention the fact that rfk and jfk had their father basically locked up inside their house the moment he started becoming hazy. He had Alzheimer’s dementia apparently and this is while jfk was potus and even after his assassination rfk continued course because of his potus ambitions

[@FloraDLady]

John was kept away and treated well for his own safety though... He had epilepsy

[@stevemccann4166]

Think he was autistic or had some other learning disability and suffered from epilepsy too. Think it was the latter that killed him when he was young boy in his early teens. Got to remember the British, German, Austrian and Russian royal families were all related in those days and tended to marry amongst themselves usually cousins but I’m sure there were nephews and nieces too. No different than a lot of the poor rural areas in the US which resulted in severe mental disabilities as displayed by those royal cousins a while ago too!!

[@theredraven]

At a time when society had much less understanding of things like epilepsy and autism than we do now.

[@maxthelab8457]

The absolute horror of all this is - it was NEVER rectified. They continued to hide and ignore these people who are now most likely now long gone. I suspect very few members of the public are aware of this outrageous and cruel behaviour on the part of the Royal family. It also illustrates how dangerous it is to inbreed!

[@Serai3]

"I suspect very few members of the public are aware of this outrageous and cruel behaviour " Not anymore.

[@Vik_fel]

But they are not inbred. In the Bowes-Lyon family there was no inbreeding.

[@maxthelab8457]

@@Vik_fel If you say so...who knows? Who were the fathers? They were all at it all the time, not necessarily just with those they were married to either.

[@harringt100]

​@Vik_fel Well, the British peerage has practiced endogamy pretty consistently over the centuries, and they're not a very large group. (Around 800 lately.) Still, it really shouldn't be assumed mental disabilities or neuro divergence are due to "inbreeding" without some specific evidence.

[@leylarustamova]

I don't understand how such an emotional and empathetic character could ever make fun of Diana (not talking about the real Margaret here, we don't know what their relationship was like)

[@bananamanchester4156]

Margaret had struggles with her mental health all her life, and I think she's a very conflicted character. She resents the Royal life, yet she was never able to give it up and holds on to the power and respect her position gives her. She falls in love with men below her "station" but then acts snobbishly towards Diana and Margaret Thatcher for not knowing the correct protocol. I think she shows a state of learned helplessness. Her heart knows that the system she's in is inherently toxic and cruel, and yet she doesn't believe she has the power to change it. She doesn't take her cousins in to her own home to look after them after this scene, noteably. She feels like her position as the Queens sister is the only thing that gives her worth, so despite hating it, she constantly bends to fit the role.

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

Margaret and Diana were friends until Diana gave that tell-all interview.

[@nanonano03]

'Hereditary Principle' is my favorite episode of season 4... HBC was amazing.

[@sarahcorbo3659]

This episode is why Margaret is my fav

[@sandydog426]

This did not happen in real life, though.

[@rr7firefly]

I love the sense of outrage that Margaret exhibits when she comes upon the cruel truth of her cousins being hidden away. She is clearly a human being with compassion who has been placed, through no fault of her own, in a family that exhibits poor judgement, a family that is obsessed with appearances, protecting the brittle reality of their vulnerabilities.

[@millercreativestrategiesll8863]

Wasn’t only in the royal family…there are many families around the world who’ve done exactly the same thing.

[@Gala-yp8nx]

It was horrifyingly common. JFK’s sister Rosemary was lobotomized and hidden away by Kennedy Senior. He even kept her whereabouts secret from the rest of the family.

[@gayan2517]

A few..not many. Many in this world are not barbaric.

[@sandydog426]

Sure, but for a monarchy that prides itself and puts so much emphasis on properness and decorum, they don’t seem to register their own barbaricness.

[@maxthelab8457]

That is no excuse - whoever sanctions such treatment of their family members must be intrinsically cruel, cold, and heartless - as well as selfish and self-centred.

[@jaym8945]

@@maxthelab8457 they are not member of the Royal family. It’s from the Queen mother’s side

[@racatkns9977]

The Queen Mother was so irritating in this scene and in this season in general. Don’t know much about the real lady, but her characterisation is a dreadful woman

[@carson11100]

Well said.

[@monalebon8016]

I have researched that she loved the drink.m,as did The princess Margaret that explains a whole lot. What exactly is s their job description?

[@justinanegas-andreis4967]

Facts

[@FanyLI]

She was a product of her own upbringing and environment, raised to be a pretty, simple minded, submissive wife to some high ranking royal, and so she ended up being exactly that, no one ever expected anything else from her aside of giving birth and being a symbol, so she ended up being a self absorbed, simple minded, prejudiced person. Very unsurprising.

[@opheliawinfrey9501]

Apparently the queen mother was racist too

[@bassettbarks1]

HBC is simply amazing in this role

[@XanathosZero]

I don't know about the British Royal Family, but Margaret in this series really gets to my heart. She is one of the most humane characters in the series, besides Diana or Anne. 😊

[@adamthevirgo9297]

Margaret may have all her flaws, but she was definitely the most human out of all of them

[@albdamned577]

Even as bleak as that hospital seemed the actual stuff going on was waaaaayy worse. That place was actually looked hygienic.

[@jordanarnold563]

I know that actor as the priest. He was the asshole knight in Dragonheart 2!!!! I instantly recognized him. Happy he got a part for such an esteemed show and still working as an actor.

[@barbarajean6538]

This episode was my favorite!

[@lordalessan]

Had Diana been around this time, she would've visited and brought attention to this.

[@TheRealDeal92]

A well acted scene. I often come bacn to this scene because of it. Along with the truth about the hidden family. I was curious and dung into the history of them. The hard truth about those poor women hidden away because they were not born right and not perfect. It is honesty wicked, cold hearted and cruel. I’m glad I was not born in those times. I was born at ADD and OCD. I am better now as an adult off the medication than I was on the meds as a child. I felt like a walking ghost as a kid, didn’t remember a thing about school. I still got looked down on because I was different. But to be hidden away, declared dead like those women were makes me dislike that part of the Royal family in real life. Not the current members of the royal family but the ones who had a hand in hiding away their own family members. Thanks for uploading.

[@yvonneplant9434]

HBC, one of the greatest actresses alive!!!!

[@theon9575]

The deaf mother of the Duke of Edinburgh was also at one time cruelly incarcerated in a mental institution (and even considered for enforced hysterectomy) until she finally managed to escape. On both sides of the Royal Family, compassion and the milk of human kindness did not come easily.

[@MrAntocan]

‘Darwin had nothing on you lot’ > ‘King Kong ain’t got shit on me’

[@greensage395]

Margaret was a Dragon...she knew she would go to the Dungeon just as easily...Chained, and put a-way...she was Hell to Pay! :)

[@davideaston3005]

"Hello, I'm calling today because we noticed we haven't received a payment on your home in 3 months, is there a particular reason for that?" "The abdication, of course."

[@lilyrose3651]

This is why I will always inevitable love and respect Princess Margaret of York. She is the only one who saw through the Windsor Family. All the things they did unacceptable.

[@sallieceelee5660]

It must be stressed that It was not QE2's or Princess Margaret's choice to hide these cousins. They did not even know that they were alive. It was the evil Queen Mother and her family who decided they should be declared dead. Place the blame where it is due.

[@sandydog426]

But they did absolutely nothing upon finding out that wasn’t the case.

[@jaym8945]

@@sandydog426 they’re not part of the royal family. So why bother. They could have done it privately though, we don’t know

[@jackfitch8134]

Had the queen acknowledged them what exactly would’ve happened? They’re not Windsor’s, so they wouldn’t been on any balcony’s at Buckingham or at any royal engagements it would’ve made no change to anything at all, most families use institutions for care anyway I’d imagine HRH would have done the same

[@jonmunoz2772]

It doesn't matter, quit being a prick.@@jackfitch8134

[@AzguardMike]

4:30 "Or worse....declared DEAD" Queen Elizabeth and Phillip "There's a thought."

[@aidenwilson8113]

I love the rain

[@klaudiagrob]

In real life princess Margaret did nothing about it. This was written just for TV. But I like this storyline. Helena Bonham Carter is an outstanding actress.

[@GitanAnimex]

If princess margaret would have been like elena boham carter's princess margaret she would have left the royal family and marry Peter and she would have made the vow to princess diana's coffin

[@philbecker4676]

You talk like a fool.

[@BiG-JuPO1O1]

It's because she'll lose her family and media already casted her as the bad sister of Elizabeth. Nothing but toxic media and outdated royal protocols.

[@Shadowcub69]

Marrying your cousins to keep the money and the power in the families has a nasty outcome, who knew.🤷🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤷🤷🤷

[@MondoBeno]

There were articles about the Queen's cousins in British papers as far back as the 80's. It turns out that it was well known, but nobody was talking. I think that one of the worst aspects is that the royals didn't provide funds to make their living space more comfortable.

[@cxthsripps691]

I don't get it tho, I know downs children and other mental afflictions are more difficult to deal with but they're actually so nice and refreshing company compared to otherwise regular people. I had a neighbour with downs growing up and she was fun, she used to sing and dance and we all used to play alot growing up. So I don't get what this stigmas about really. 😳

[@rupertsmith5815]

The Royal family have to look perfect and they were seen as an embarrassment so they swept them under the rug

[@theredraven]

@@rupertsmith5815 That's an attitude lots of normal families would have had back in the 1930s as well.

[@rupertsmith5815]

@@theredraven Still doesn’t excuse it

[@cxthsripps691]

@@rupertsmith5815 yeah but aren't the royals given that place to make a difference. Like having Elizabeth I reign, who was illegitimate and pock marked. And not to mention, none of the royals look good, only Diana's blood gives Prince harry and William some firey genes. And now Kate and Meghan. I would expect these royals to be trailblazers and but they just outright boring 😖

[@IndependentConversations]

Let me explain it like this. Royals were extremely threatened if royal blood wasn't pure, especially since mad king George III. They thought mental health could be used an excuse for the monarch to finally be thrown out or replaced by a people's revolt. George V hid one of hus children moved at sandrighham House because of a combination of mental defects and epilepsy. The queen mother at the time would have him help tend hee garden and Mary of teck went to the workers children and asked them to be friend prince John who died at 13. Mary of teck was more humane and George V then queen elizabeth the queen mother was with her family. But when the child died, he too had all royal accounts stripped of his birth record. It is interesting that Queen mary who eats breathed and slept everything royal and often tended to be cold because of it was more humane than Queen elizabeth. The first of the modern century

[@DaveFisher-cq2dr]

hard to believe that Nerissa and Katherine were indeed actually related to the Royal Family, but taken away and hidden from the public because of their mental health, even declared dead when they were very much alive, and nobody in the entire Royal Family ever visited them, it's a bloody outrage

[@jeanetteraichel8299]

Even the Kennedy's in Massachusetts hid a daughter, Rosalie or something like that, and then a doctor suggested a prefrontal lobotomy and that Madd her a vegetable and forever hidden away and never mentioned

[@vodkagal28]

Rosemary. But that was because of Joe Sr.

[@Joggi98]

Not a single member of the royal family attended the funerals of those sisters

[@elmitajeune735]

No wonder Charles ears big

[@bingusgames]

LOL

[@susanlynch1966]

It really should be pointed out that the 2 cousins were only related by marriage to the British royal family and that their mothers family, who went by the name Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis , were known to have several members with a genetic disability of unknown origin. It was the Queen Mother's family who decided to hide them away, not the Windsors.

[@EughhBrothereughh]

They supported that and they r guilty too

[@susanlynch1966]

@@EughhBrothereughh and you known this how? Were you there ? I don't think so.

[@Threeleebird]

@@susanlynch1966 According to the records of the institution, they never established contact of any kind with their relatives. Not a letter, gifts, not a visit. Nothing. They didn't even attend Nerissa´s funeral. They only gave Nerissa a decent headstone, after being exposed by the media for allowing her to be buried with a headstone as ordinary as a pauper's.

[@CraftyZanTub]

I believe that Margaret and Elizabeth did not know about their disabled relatives until very late in the game.

[@jonmunoz2772]

it is still inexcusable, they are still family, and for a family that claims to value each member they treated them horribly because they didn't fit the perfect mold of a noble.

[@rayannarichardson6208]

I like this episode and then I fed this episode because it deals with people with disabilities it's such a strong message that even in the royal family you hide away the disabled do you know different from the rest of the world

[@francoisemeraude123]

Wow only God can truly love people without limits Families can let u down as soon as u become ill

[@globalpoliticsman9523]

There were no siblings besides the two also they were not aware of their relationship to them but did have photos of them. Also I feel it's important to point out that these were the Queen's mother's family members not the Windsors it was ultimately the Queen's Brothers family decision to do what they did

[@GoGreen1977]

From what I can tell, these cousins did need institutional care.

[@jadenkhor3523]

“Darwin had nothing on you lot.” 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 generations of royals destroyed by that quip.

[@fernandogumba]

4:03 no it’s not. It’s wicked and it’s cold hearted

[@DaveFisher-cq2dr]

damn right

[@davidpar2]

He was in the Joe Meek story

[@louiephillips4269]

Yes he was. Great film.

[@LourdesEsmeralda]

What episode

[@mjremy2605]

A masterful performance. She was 100% right. Very refreshing to see her anger and passion and honesty, like cold water waking you up. The British monarchy is riddled with shame on so many fronts.

[@VILA1963]

Isn't Helena marvellous?!!!!!

[@sarahheri7027]

it's so easy for all of us to point fingers at the royal family that lived a hundred years ago, you know (and really, anyone who lived a hundred years ago). it was different times, and looking at no one specific, but there still is so much stigma around mental illnesses, and physical illness, and chronical illness, and disability going on, a hundred years ago things were so much worse. that doesn't make it right, and i'll never say it does!, but it makes me happy that times have changed, and still are.

[@KL-ki8db]

It is sad when the Prussian royal family were open with showing off their daughter who was afflicted with Down syndrome to the public and was still present in photographs before this time. However, I guess it couldn't be helped as some families just view different topics in certain ways.

[@aditpratama1514]

Princess Margareth make her way to the edge of the earth only to scold her snob mother. I love her in this series

[@martinbailey3259]

Darwin had nothing on that lot.

[@harleyquinn5774]

I don’t quite understand that statement.

[@kapilshastry]

She is referring to Dr Charles Darwin survival of the fittest theory.

[@KL-ki8db]

@@harleyquinn5774 It is a reference to Charles Darwin, who came up with the theory of survival of the fittest. The context is that the family has tossed aside their differently abled or disabled relatives to the side for the sake of public face.

[@ramal5708]

The scene at the beach, I thought I saw parts of Bellatrix

[@DaveFisher-cq2dr]

3:36 "Aunt Fenella was overwhelmed" GUESS THAT'S TRUE, AND HER HUSBAND JOHN BOWES-LYON DIED IN 1930 AT AGE 43, SO I GUESS SHE COULDN'T POSSIBLY TAKE CARE OF THEM ALL BY HERSELF

[@ssensitivee7795]

This is completely unrelated but, does anyone know where’s that location? The beach one

[@raflyian2476]

If she is still alive right now, she would blame the global warming on the abdication 😂😂😂😂

[@KellyEdwards-rt6nl]

The Edwards...Amen

[@jazzi11xa]

Somehow i understand.. they are a royal family.. held to a certain standard

[@mojosbigsticks]

She is rather good, isn't she.

[@alleycat2502]

They didn’t have much but at least they had the truth. They knew

[@aelinorholloway3669]

Ugh this is why despite feeling sorry for what her family is going through, and feeling curiosity about King Charles, I will not making any fawning declaration over the Queen's passing. The Windsor family ain't all that the monarchists crack them up to be.

[@karlvnshwp6407]

The Windsors had nothing to do with this. This was the Queen Mother’s family the Bowes-Lyon’s a minor scottish noble family (noble≠royal). They didn’t want the scandal to put them (the Bowes-Lyons not the Windsors) in bad gossip.

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

Also KIng Charles I was beheaded and his son King Charles II is also dead. The current King is KIng Charles III is a Windsor not a Stuart.

[@kd4612]

Aside from season 1, season 4 was the best of the crown

[@lunastarr1925]

😢😢😢😢

[@ichbinjon]

Was she referring to anything in particular when she said "or worse... declared dead!"? I feel like she was but can't think what?

[@lindsaygraham6659]

what episode is this

[@carolinemorley741]

I was an extra in this one in The Crown on armchair with no lines Caroline

[@MarinaM220107n0vi4li]

Queen mother annoyed me so much in this episode

[@mohamadyassar1826]

What season and what episode of The crown?

[@yogitakapoor4901]

season 4 episode 7 ''the hereditary principle"

[@Phoenix-ks8sc]

Well since Edward VIII. had no children, his brother or niece would eventually have inherited the throne some 36 years later. Whom would they have blamed then?

[@deanjean]

I disliked the Queen Mum from first, she thought she knew everything and looked down on eveyone for their 'unprofessionalism'

[@hivanvlogs4443]

But how?! :(

[@shelbyorphanage9199]

Mexico, Spaniard England had a baby , can't cover that up forever

[@reneesantiago6496]

Its from inbreeding that goes back centuries within the Royal family.

[@WedgePee]

No. It was a genetic disorder from the Bowes-Lyon sisters’ grandmother (so no blood in common with the Royal Family). Three of their cousins had the same condition.

[@mommamomma3607]

@@WedgePee wrong. Everyone of the Royal's are related. You can easily research it and you'll see.

[@Vik_fel]

@@mommamomma3607 Not in the Bowes- lyon family

[@philbecker4676]

@@mommamomma3607 You wally.

[@errolpletcher9186]

Nerissa and Katherine Bowes-Lyon were the daughters of John Bowes-Lyon, who was the sister of The Queen Mother. Neither John and his wife Fenella were related, nor were John's parents or Fenella's. So no they were not inbred.

[@Thetazer99]

If you have grown up being bullied or a social black sheep...this is kind of relatable in a way. I hope I offend nobody by saying this

[@gayan2517]

Did they flip a coin on Charles?

[@des2125]

Omg 🤣🤣🤣