Does Battle of Z Really Deserve All the Hate? - A Retrospective

[@spiral1407]

I used to play the demo on 360 all the time as a kid. Guess how surprised I was when I later heard people HATED the full game

[@randommexican6676]

Nah for real I loved the demo, You had up 4 people in one team. I thought it was ok

[@Chiefland7]

I wasn't feeling it lol

[@IzzyDunit]

I don’t see how me personally i enjoyed it wasn’t bad

[@sonicfan064]

4:55 Well actually 🤓in the source material the manga written by the great Toriyama Akira, Goku actually used a Kaioken x4 versus Vegeta. So basically if you used your mind a little bit🤓 you’d realize technically Vegeta did infact fight 4 Gokus 🤓🤓

[@Alienrun]

This game is more canon than the source material! fr fr! :O :O :O :O

[@batmanssgss]

As someone born in 98' this was the first dragon ball product I can remember going "I wasted my money" which as a kid was soul crushing. Still played the hell out of it because it was the first game to have SSG as a playable form 😂

[@HazeX2]

I love the stress of charging ultimates, like Vegeta trying to stall Buu for Goku to use the Spirit Bomb

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

Battle of Z is a fascinating game because frankly when taken for what it is? It's a good one that's genuinely pretty fun. The problem was in large part just how BADLY it was marketed here in the US and the time it was released. After Ultimate Tenkaichi and Kinect, it was pretty clear that if people weren't fatigued by the yearly releases? They were at least REALLY wanting a more traditional Dragon Ball fighting game and seeing as how this one that had team battles? That sounded real cool and certainly Bandai made a big deal of that. Plus it's a DBZ game coming to the Vita meaning at least those who owned that sadly underutilized handheld who were fans could feel that system was at least a bit more vindicated. All the marketing made this out to be a fun unique fighting game... even though it's more of a MOBA at least from what some people have said... and it has no local... and it's barely an inconvenience to snap the game in half and ahem... mod your stats to give yourself a ludicrous advantage with busted upgrades which you kinda feel you need because lest you play with real people? You will be treated to some of the most unhelpful, most BRAINDEAD AI partners and gimped rewards and considering to unlock the whole roster you need to get some high ranks? That's not fun and neither is having to play babysitter to your teammates. But there's a charm to it. In fact, there's a lot here where one can see how with more polish this game could've been great. Unfortunately Bandai ensured this game would fail and now it's a bizarre oddity. This and to a degree the first Xenoverse and Ultimate Tenkaichi I'd very much categorize as being a part of that specific era Dragon Ball games where you can tell all the talk of them just being rehashes coupled with diminishing returns got to them and resulted in either fighting games being saddled with garbage that gets in the way or non-fighting games being marketed as though they were fighting games.

[@HazeX2]

It's funny how even ten years later, people still don't have support characters on the team when I play online

[@Ace_of_Horns]

Ah Battle of Z. Where the character models look like the old DBZ action figures from Irwin Toys

[@My_Master_Waves]

Card system was actually a super good thing about the game, all cards could be used on any character and some unique cards could work very well with very certain characters. Which resulted in you having some form of builds, like anti stagger card on Broly or Cell was essentially creating a tank that could wipe whole teams online.

[@SithDestroyerVideoProductions]

I actually played the entire game on my Vita back in the day, my friend and I spent a year playing it together everyday before school. On a handheld system, I thought the game was pretty fun. But I revisited it a bit last year through PS3 emulation, and the grind just wasn't that fun, even coming from someone who loves grinding in video games. I'd love to see a game with this system expanded, there was some cool stuff in this game.

[@faresfares-ultra]

Battle of Z walked so xenoverse could fly

[@jamimuhammad3699]

Yep

[@Chiefland7]

Yep. Everybody knew that's exactly what the purpose of battle of z was.. although xenoverse wasn't all that either. Definitely way better than battle of z though

[@HazeX2]

I don't get why people keep comparing it to Xenoverse when they're nothing alike

[@Chiefland7]

@HazeX2 people have seen the comparison every since back then. Battle of z was just a game that tested a specific system and then they went with xenoverse. You're probably too young to know

[@HazeX2]

@@Chiefland7 Now I know not to take you seriously after assuming my age. They aren't even made by the same developers, not the same genre either. Edit: Looking at your comment history, yeah I was right

[@kiwikratos]

Hidden with Sonic Colours music is cool

[@Alienrun]

Also with Jak X music. Hidden has good vidya music taste confirmed! (It would be better if she played more obscure/weird games but...its good enough as is! lol :P)

[@wingedassassin9999]

This game actually had team based mechanics. Unlike xenoverse, where your team only gets in the way

[@jmzawesomeness]

Ah man when this game came out I had so much fun I feel like one of the few that’s actually enjoyed the game . Online was also a lot of fun too with friends

[@bayomain71]

This game will always hold a special place in my heart.❤

[@kevinlr8]

Same, not the best but I played it a lot on my Vita during high school. I can’t believe it’s been 10 years.

[@thedevilsleutice]

I argue cutting GT out of the 7th generation of consoles or gimping it heavily hurt the games around that time, and I’d argue it still hinders the series. I feel GT charachters were some of the gunner charachters in the games, and never felt out of place in the games. My arguement. Look at burst limit, look at infinite world.. Look at ragingblast look at Tenkaichi 3 which was 2 years ago.

[@Jt-fx8tl]

Huh

[@hfrmartin]

what on earth is your last sentence trying to say

[@Chiefland7]

​@@hfrmartinwhat on earth is he's whole statement trying to say.. battle of z is trash because the gameplay and graphics are too bad. People have played dragon ball games before it and it's not up to par, simple as that lol

[@clinthumdrum5337]

Infinite world had GT goku, Pan, ss4 forms of goku, vegeta, and Gogeta, Baby 2, super 17, and syn shenron. What is that last sentence trying to say

[@wimpycorpse]

​​@@Chiefland7this, i dont know why certain games or media (gt) are being looked on more fondly now. They were not up to scratch back then and definitely not now

[@selfmade223]

The final fantasy 13 music at 7:15 smacked me with nostalgia. You should do a retrospective on it, you don’t only have to do DBZ content. 🙌🏼

[@Alienrun]

She has a 2nd channel where she talks about non-dbz games! lol :P

[@selfmade223]

@@Alienrun really? What’s the name of the channel?

[@EternalStorm796]

I just feel hurt that we got this and not Zenkai Battle Royal....

[@justanothersonicfan595]

Is it just me or is this game basically the prequel of xenoverse 1?

[@MrRWord]

Just you tbh, the two games barely have anything common except being released in the same decade. Entirely different fighting mechanics and story design too

[@saschaberger3212]

More like sequel to Legends from PS1

[@justanothersonicfan595]

@MrRWord Yeah, you've got a point there, but at least the graphics look similar.

[@brandondanforth8342]

I also felt the same way, like this, DBO and Ultimate Tenkaichi's cac story mode were the foundation for what would eventually be Xenoverse. Also, contrary to what MrRWord said, we are *not* the only two to feel this way. Not saying Xenoverse was already in mind, or that Xenoverse is directly descended from these games but when the argument against this is "different fighting mechanics and story design" as if those things cant change over time or that just because this is the case that means these games still couldnt have been inspirations for Xenoverse, I think until we get an official word on it, this little theory of ours is plenty plausible the only difference is we aren't touting our opinions as fact like some others...

[@AirAmour]

If the graphics are anything to go by, then yes. The characters in both games have way too vibrant colours and look as if they're constantly dipped in oil.

[@verymelonman12]

I don't understand why TeamFourStar legit felt this game was better than Xenoverse 1 OR 2.

[@dupersuper6516]

Because they're dumb.

[@HazeX2]

That's good to hear, I agree with them

[@headshotmaster138]

@@HazeX2 no you don't

[@kazi1]

No more channel membership? :(

[@luizfma3244]

this was the only exposure i had of dragon ball for about 5 years ;-;

[@cheeseisgood17]

this game was so fun. I'll never forget unlocking the Beerus mission, so difficult

[@OniLink99999]

Always great to see a fellow Southern Hemisphere-er on KZbin; especially covering Dragon Ball games! You've got a really fun style, and I love the use of Final Fantasy music too 😄

[@ali-akbarshah6488]

I always forget about this game

[@ssj3jay]

Funny enough this game was the first dbz game i'd 100% and platinum out of many. personally from what i remember it was a crazy time to be db fan. and specifically since i played on the vita. my local friends owned it on consoles and practically ignored it with rb and rb2 as options but for the vita that was all the community had for themselves. definently a big dip from the psp era. something about the combat was that not only was it unbearably simple but it was also broken. i remember mixing the vanish/dash in the middle of combo strings and it could turn the simple combo into a large string lol and i remembered for some characters like ssj3 goku, broly, and gotenks it made them broken. GENUINELY lmao because the game wasnt built for those combos so some characters didnt benefit at all. and like i said for the vita this was the only db game you could have at the time before hacking. it led to me making connections with other players around the world like i remember playing with people from hong kong simply because i was a night owl and at that time players on the other side of the world were waking up hahaha the community would play the vs mode and turn off the team part and do 1v1 which made the combos even more broken since this game is built as a team arena game style so removing allies made it harder lol the co op side was baren even during this time because i dont think none of us cared about repeating the same old bland missions. but sadly i remember it was part of the achievements. luckly people like me in the community gained so much money in game that our builds could go and help any random newbie on co op. but even that was rare lol team based combat was new SO NEW it made me and other players abandon it long before the community itself would leave the game and just enjoy the vs part butchering the team aspect. when we vita players ignored everything the game was built on, it became a broken mess haha and that was all we had, so we played what we could and have fun lol and while i had fond memories im glad xenoverse, fighterz and sparking are here because this era for dbz games was so bad. i personally wouldnt come back hahaha

[@m.u.n3424]

Ayy these vids always are so cool bruv

[@SakuraPhoenix153]

NO WAY!? IT'S FINALLY HERE! Now I know what I'm going to tell my family I'm grateful for this Thanksgiving. Plz pin.

[@jamimuhammad3699]

I literally played the demo over and over. Battle of z is so good I wish it got remastered honestly. I appreciate your review it really discusses the positives and negatives.

[@HazeX2]

I was so sad when I found out it got delisted, so now people can't buy it digitally. I won't say it's amazing, but I really enjoy it. Also wish it got a remaster, but I would prefer a sequel so we can get newer characters, I wanna play as Turles and Gogeta.

[@ricky7321]

This game has so many memories for me. It’s definitely not a great game, but it’s one of those fun bad ones, add Dragon Ball to that, and 10 year old me was having the time of his life. Especially raging with friends from having to fight Broly like 30 times.

[@Cautious_Gamer]

This game is not even 2GB. Wow. I wasn't expecting this retrospective! Let's go!

[@MoonlitSlime]

I have been binging your videos this past week and here you are with a new one 🙏

[@ModernAegis]

Base Gotenks my beloved

[@nightlydata2181]

It was 1 of the few DB games I had & I played it way too much. I still have my PS3 copy. I won't lie I liked the game back then especially cus I could play as SSG Goku but even I could C it was pretty repetitive. It holds a special place for the hours I spent wit it so I'll always remember that. Cool vid

[@taurusasaurusrex1183]

yay! been waiting for this one!

[@HiddenChannel]

Glad you are excited for it!

[@taurusasaurusrex1183]

@@HiddenChannel i played the online when it came out and it did make game more fun with friends but still not the best. bad single player

[@jesser5138]

That character select music is still so good

[@nukedukem614]

I remember this had that cool Naruto coatume

[@runthetablefilms376]

If you think about it, xenoverse is very similar to Battle Of Z

[@kazi1]

Nice, Sonic Colors background music

[@HiddenChannel]

Sonic games may be hit and miss but the music is always good.

[@kazi1]

@ Agreed

[@Hero-g7g]

​@@HiddenChannel Hi, Hidden. I'm here to say Thank you for sharing your experiences and thoughts on everything DBZ. I myself am a massive fan of DBZ except Dragon Ball Bio Broly, Garlic Jr, and Dragon Ball Evolution. GT is a awesome to me. Just Saiyan😅

[@Hero-g7g]

Dragon Ball Super is lackluster and Daima is a shameful, directionless, pointless, meaningless and insulting in my opinion.

[@Hero-g7g]

​@@HiddenChannel I also find you extremely attractive.

[@kaiba226]

Hidden is cultured asf for that Sonic Colors OST in the intro 👀

[@HazeX2]

Finished the video, glad you talked about positives along with the negative instead of just trashing it. Really flawed game, but still fun. Same with the first Tenkaichi, but look how the sequels turned out. This formula definitely deserves another chance to shine.

[@papahudz69]

*sees the title* good question let's find out

[@radim279]

The Kanzenshuu podcast had a nice breakthrough of the game and how the developers probably intended it to be played. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHWVaH6hndZ3opI and kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5ezc6ibiN2sq7M The conclusion is basically the same as Hidden's - you can see glimpses of a nice original game, but for every fun concept the developers came up with, they hamstrung themselves with half-baked execution. JC-what-a-shame.mp4, basically

[@n.henzler50]

7:36 What the HFIL am I looking at? Dude's at 100% power, but 105% chromosomes. I think King Cold was too cheap to get him the cyborg surgery and opted for super glue. This is what happens when Zarbon leaves you in the ship on a hot Namekian day with the windows rolled up.

[@dupersuper6516]

They had the cross promotion in this game with goku having the Naruto outfit and the Naruto game having the goku outfit

[@spacepuppy720]

23:26 Honestly I think about Krillin's profile picture at least twice a month.

[@PoweredByFlow]

This game looks like Xenoverse but jank and annoying as f'. lol

[@moronicgenius8971]

Imo yes it probably did but I still LOVED Battle of Z as a kid. I was obsessed with playing SSG Goku

[@justcallmeezzy13]

I personally hated this game but if anyone had fun hey more power to you no hat at all

[@HDNDraxirch]

That bingo bit had me dying :D

[@HazeX2]

Info for anyone interested in the game but don't have the consoles it's on, online multiplayer works on RPCS3. Played through it on Steam Deck with no lag.

[@DJKmoneydog]

Ef what anyone says battle of z was fun as fuck, fun online multi-player was the appeal and they knocked it out 💯

[@armplanet7524]

I agree, had lots of fun in that battle mode and joining matches to play together with people.

[@Le_Fullmetal]

You just gave me the envy to get my ps3 and play the game more, i never finished it.

[@HazeX2]

I hate that most fans hate on anything that isn't a PvP game, this getting an improved sequel would have been so good.

[@HazeX2]

You can combo block+triangle into a super, but I'm pretty sure it does less damage

[@Tisson8891]

It was a diffrent time back then😂

[@TheShadowspear2]

2:45-3:12 That doesn't make much sense, what could they deviate from if that's the material they've always had? It would be awkward to start it at Namek, Cell or after Z because Battle Of Gods was the new thing and it wasn't that long after Buu in the timeline. Unless you wanted a filler story then it's appropriate to have it start at the Saiyan Saga 😂

[@PhillipOnTakos]

I'll never let it go that Battle of Z which came out before Xenoverse has a better lock on system than Xenoverse. They even have a dedicated button for when you want to lock onto allies.

[@SSJ3MetaridleyXros]

i think being a pretty inexperienced studio + this title was first and foremost developed for the vita and later ported to the ps3 explain alot of the graphical issues of the game. btw will you review dbz kinect, jump force or some db handheld games as well?

[@secretshadowdiver]

last I saw one of your videos I swore you had like 70k subs, what the heck happened

[@ManniLive]

Really?

[@Noneofwhat]

You're probably just associating the viewership count with subscription count

[@Rough_Estimates]

8 player free for all was too fun back in the day!!!

[@CaptainCJ97]

This game really was something played the demo it was fine but glad i never bought it

[@thatrandomguy76ify]

Mann i remember the day this game came out like it was yesterday! School was shut down due to snow, and i managed to convince my parents to pick up my pre-order before the weather got too bad. It was great in the beginning, but turned out to be disappointing after a few months.

[@vanquese8947]

I forgot about this game, shovel ware

[@gusbothayes1213]

This game was good i have a lot of hours on it but playing. Got it just for Sage Mode Goku

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

Awesome DBZ movie!

[@nightwingnl5354]

5:59 sure game vegeta fires the galick gun from his eyes

[@CaptainCJ97]

I forgot get over how odd this game & nice music choice really enjoyed the kh & jak x music especially this song from jak x 5:00

[@LionofDawn]

I bought this game on a very cheap discount, only because it was a collectors edition with a Goku statue. I never bothered to play the game. Heard enough about it before to not even give it a try.

[@richardpell]

I'm glad, and sad, that the woes of buying a house isn't localized to just the US lol

[@RunTheJorge]

I can't wait for the Dokkan review

[@blue-ki5ip]

I feel like this game was just given hate cause after Ultimate Tenkaichi people wanted another Raging Blast to redeem the series in their eyes, only to be met with a vastly different game. It was fun while it lasted tbh

[@Chiefland7]

No it was given hate because the combat is boring and the graphics are bad... Simple as that. If the game was good, nobody would complain

[@tonywalker1954]

Jak X combat racing music 🔥

[@ryugano5025]

Ah yes the game that is not even mentioned enough to be hated cuz NOBODY played 😂

[@HazeX2]

I think the invite button crashed because you were on a emulator, never had that happen on a real PS3. Also explains why you couldn't find a room, a lot of gamers refuse to emulate for some reason. Doesn't help that BoZ isn't popular. There's not a lot of people online, but I can usually get into a room on actual hardware.

[@cryguy0000]

Battle of Z I believe was my first DBZ game and how I experienced most of Zs story....very weird experience I gotta say. The game overall is very strange, it has such a unique atmosphere and gameplay style. It's a fine game, but not an amazing DBZ game.

[@adrenaliner91]

I would rather play Sagas through again for the .. I think it would be the fourth time than ever playing Battle of Z again. I never finished this Game in any way, but Sagas at least two or three Times and Sagas was never even available here in Germany.

[@clover4522]

At least you can have some fun going through Sagas campaign. BoZ kinda just feels like a chore. Not only that you have to keep getting cards for every character you wanna play as, so it just devolves to mindless grinding.

[@Roug3e_Bunny]

this game was AS, and I had the game

[@onthedre]

Seems like this game is basically DBZ League of Legends.

[@saschaberger3212]

Is this like Dragon Ball Z Legends (Idainaru Dragon Ball Densetsu) from ps1? Like the secret sequel. Can't be the only one seeing the resemblance

[@xInfiniteCaliber]

Put SO many hours into this on my Vita lol

[@HydrationIsMe]

Though i understood its flaws, i quite enjoyed this one. Specifically the CO-OP, because Multiplayer was trash.

[@agenttex5973]

Honestly this game kinda lives and dies off its co-op multiplayer, This game can be played online for free through the PS3 Emulator with friends its STUPID fun building teams and working together to maximize speed and damage.

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

I remember raging at it so yeah

[@jesuspernia8031]

This era wasn’t really that good for dragon ball games tbh. That’s why people got excited at Xenoverse cause the last 2 games we got were rock paper scissors and battle of z.

[@matheusrocha1184]

Too long of a video for me to watch, but answering your question: Yeah, it does deserve.

[@DARS_04]

It had a cool PS Vita port... That's about it.

[@Chris-yp6zm]

I was going to try this out, but I think I'll just watch this instead lol

[@Makoto03]

I didn't hate Battle of Z as much as other people. But the game was WAY too difficult for its own good. It sucked away some of the enjoyment.

[@armplanet7524]

Yeah man those boss fights or villian story parts were jarring

[@garthmarenghi4758]

I played this a lot I always thought it was fun honestly

[@47FloridaManDre]

This was the second game I ever pre ordered, I remember hating it as time went on. The difficulty, the No single player vs mode, the terrible AI partners, the shitty combat. Everything was annoying

[@ac04project]

You don't use your Pikachu anymore? Or Nintendo copywrite claims it?

[@MrMartellSincere]

I never played this game 😢

[@TheTwisted869]

Anyone else have the Naruto outfit in this game???

[@SPiRiTBL4DE_G4MiNG]

Yo if anyone here has a ps vita and plays this game, lmk cause I’m down to play some online co op missions w you. I been trynna find people to play with

[@jesser5138]

I have one, but sadly mine got awful drift on the right stick, if I ever fix it I'll play some BoZ since I have a lot of games that I wanted to play there

[@SPiRiTBL4DE_G4MiNG]

@ okay bet let’s do it cause it’s so hard to find an online match 😭

[@WOOD4LIFEE]

I play on ps3 can I play with people on vita I had a vita but sold it then when I got the game on ps3 I just transferred my data from the save data back up so I didn’t have to restart my save was from 2015 was surprised I had an. Online save from 10 years ago lol

[@kazi1]

Hi

[@HiddenChannel]

Hello

[@TheRagingSpartan_03]

this game alone cost me 7 controllers

[@Eutioallan]

Yes, it does

[@windows98alpha35]

It’s wild how this game got hated so much when Ultimate Tenkaichi literally came out before this and was the defacto worse game because of its lack of gameplay

[@TheShockVox]

YES

[@criticalplat1num80]

Honestly, it's not great imo, but it's not the worst DBZ game. Dragon Ball Z Kinect is right there, guys.

[@MrRWord]

DBZ Kinect and Ultimate Tenkaichi are both worse than this tbh

[@qdakid7776]

@@MrRWordnah ultimate tenkaichi is better than this