LIVE Update with Tom Evans. Lori Vallow juror who attended Chad Daybell’s trial

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[@pattivirostek1390]

I'm so glad Judge Boyce went right into the penalty phase. He is a really awesome Judge and a great human being.

[@heatherstephens9295]

Yes I have the highest respect for him - he did an amazing job & was involved for it all. It took years & I hope he got through it ok ❤❤

[@mamabear1324]

5 years of his life and everybody's he just wanted to get it over with lock them up then forget about them he made a great decision not making their family's whit any longer for justice

[@Luluisraging.86]

Amen!! I hope the Judge in Lori’s trial in AZ is as level headed as Judge Boyce.

[@pattivirostek1390]

Chad has been spoon feeding his kids his BS since birth. It's going to take a loooong time, maybe never for them to untwist all his BS and only with an abundance of professional help. To think he even sacrificed them as to testify on his behalf blows my mind.

[@mamabear1324]

@pattivirostek1390 if it ever does hit them they truth of being brainwashed and what their father did to their mother that is going to hurt them on a level they could not even imagine when they realize they did not stand up for their mom. But I agree the chances of them realizing is a long shot.

[@md5053]

One thing that caught my attention and I was wondering if the jury noticed it, was when Emma & Garth were on the stand stone-faced, no emotion at all, but Prior kept saying “Let me know if you need tissues or if you need to take a break” like he was prompting them to show some emotions but they never picked up on his cues.

[@AlwaysStormy88]

Noticed the same thing!

[@bobbicatt]

Those kids aren’t too bright.

[@mariariosmejia1922]

You're so correct! I just wonder if both of them are going to stop teaching, especially Emma! 😠

[@msleatha3078]

Right on! Totally noticed that!

[@moniqueratelle-babin2155]

O caught on to that as well. I think he WAS prompting them to show SOME emotion. They were robotic in their answers. No emotion for their mom. Jurors believed they were rehearsed as did I.

[@nicholamc2629]

The solidarity of Tammy’s family was incredible. They sent a very clear message to her children. And to the slug.

[@bobbicatt]

I’m so confused about Chad’s kids. Did they not see all the evidence ? How they made Tami out to be overweight and lazy …was projection as that’s what their dad is ! Tami seemed like an amazing woman and Lori Vallow can’t hold a candle to her !

[@nicholamc2629]

@@bobbicatt They refused to look at the evidence.

[@bobbicatt]

@@nicholamc2629 👋 So they said that? They didn’t want to see it all ? It’s crazy isn’t it? We all know both Emma and Garth lied. I’m wondering why the other kids refused to testify. Maybe one day we will get answers.

[@deecondon2816]

@@bobbicattChad told them not to watch. So we can only assume they didn’t. Unbelievable

[@Gurl-5150]

Absolutely they did!❤

[@norriskp]

So chilling - Tom describing Chad scrolling through Tammy's autopsy photos, no emotion, in view of some in the courtroom, makes my skin crawl.

[@michelecraig9658]

Definitely going through withdrawal from the case, but have noticed that the lack of listening to it makes life a little happier. The gruesome details, the delusional thinking, that few people called out, and the fact that Julie Rowe and others (perhaps many we don't even know yet) are still out there.

[@emilyflotilla931]

Congratulations on the release of your book, Tom. The world needs more of you.

[@heatherstephens9295]

Very true!

[@sandrine-emmanuellesechaud3436]

For every mean man, ten good men will raise! Thank you for this humanity. God bless!

[@PatternSeeker...]

Wow, what Tom said about Chad emotionlessly scrolling through the photos of Tammy's exhumed body was shocking, although not surprising. I don't remember it coming up in Chad's trial, but Lori getting rid of JJ's service dog made more sense when Emma stated her dad didn't like dogs. So many little details that help tell the whole story. I'm so pleased with and proud of the jury for picking up on so many things we feared they would miss in the midst of the deluge of information they were absorbing!

[@jerene2]

Would be interesting to get the two sets of jurors together to socialize and talk about (trauma) bonding with their jury team and the two trials.

[@heatherdewey3693]

I would watch/listen to that show!

[@k8marlowe]

Awe! How kind for Tom to keep “little guy.” Thank you, Tom, for helping Lauren keep us all informed. You’re a rare gem. 😉

[@pattivirostek1390]

Tom, you are the sweetest man and so kind to care so much about children who are tossed aside in what should be the most fun times of their lives. Thank you for being you!

[@kat8canary77]

Decided to take a break from reading Tom’s book and here he is on Hidden True Crime.

[@mfregeau59]

How is the book so far?😊

[@kat8canary77]

@@mfregeau59 Very good so far. I am half way through. I am most excited that there will be a book 2 of observations from Chad’s trial. I think the prosecution did some things differently for Chad. Made it less so confusing, I have followed this since lockdown in 2020 and I get confused. If I had no background knowledge like a juror I would be totally lost.

[@GenuinelyGena123]

Any new findings from the book?

[@DrCalamityJan]

It's incredible to think of the quality of this jury. Out of all the people in Ada County, this 18 were selected and just wow! If this is a cross-section of Ada County, that's a high quality place to live.

[@heatherdewey3693]

Totally thought the same thing

[@katielainedesigns]

Everyone needs an Aunt Vicki in their life ❤️❤️

[@bethanywhite877]

Someone in chat mentioned the tv series Under The Banner Of Heaven. I thought of that series often during this trial. The manipulation in that family was so scary.

[@Ccamero123]

Thank God for people like Tom!

[@completelyunhinged2569]

Lauren!!! We miss you guys!!! ❤❤ been having "hidden true crime live" withdrawals

[@sherreegear9502]

When Chad talked about Charles and having 2 bullets in his chest was definitely a “you are guilty “ moment for me and what a narcissist unfeeling jerk Chad is. My heart goes out to his family. I graduated with Jack Daybell from high school. Sheila was a year younger than me. Such good people. My heart aches for them. I have lost sleep worrying about them. Hard!!!!!!!!!

[@loribaker8339]

It's too bad the parents and some family members are blaming this all on Lori. That she is responsible for Chad changing and she and Alex killed the kids.

[@kathrynbaker7529]

I'll be purchasing Tom's book very soon. I wish there were more Toms, Laurens, Dr Johns, Aunt Vickis etc. The world would be a much better place!

[@margaretdevery6547]

Gentle people called to do their civic duty, forever carrying this horror with them

[@sandyedmisten8621]

Tom and Susan are such kind awesome people! We got to meet them at Crimecon and get the book and got it signed!!!❤❤❤

[@gowanderlustwithme]

Lauren - could we have follow up with Heather/Mat and see impact on Chad’s family. No one there to support him …

[@rustihershey126]

Lauren, you're such a light through the darkness. You're interviews are gentle and informative! I love that you've developed friendships with the families/jurors that you're fighting for! Keep shining like a gem ❤

[@junetteharper4642]

Tom, please put the book on audible!!

[@robertauhrig1947]

I watched Chad’s whole trial. I watched many, many podcasts about it as well. When it was over, I kinda had withdrawal symptoms. NOW, I am having bad dreams that are scattered thoughts. Wondering if anyone else is experiencing this ???

[@cloudcuckooland2369]

Yes I relate. I've been consumed with this case since the start. During Chad's trial I was dreaming about it, thinking about it constantly and definitely had withdrawn symptoms when it ended. You and I will be OK in a few weeks 😆

[@jodyadams9512]

Me too

[@teresapfeiffer4189]

I haven’t had the dreams , but I was so consumed with Chads trial I would hardly leave the house .

[@Alexandra0707]

Thank you both for your service 🙏❤

[@duanehole3390]

Thx to Tom for all he did in the name of justice. Enjoy life , good luck with the book.

[@valerienelson3296]

The family continues to grow ❤ I felt like Chad was almost smilingly in his mugshot, certainly more emotion on his face then he ever showed. I feel it was his final act of defiance for the world to see.

[@kathrynbaker7529]

Definitely possible. I think he was on med too, though. Just my opinion.

[@bobbicatt]

Yes, the world is used to his “ resting toad face “

[@elizabethann8228]

I tend to think a WOMAN was taking his mugshot photo and there was some flirtation going on. 🤷‍♀️🤢

[@valentinat3250]

The weirdest mugshot ever. Creepy.

[@duanehole3390]

What still really bothers me is this statement from Melanie Pawlowski..... I'm glad alex is up there so he can look after Brighton and Breezy! She knew it all , why is she not indighted I will never understand!

[@laurelflint1866]

I wondered the same thing 🙄

[@bobbicatt]

You and me both. I’m wondering if AZ will come with charges on her ?

[@chipperterri]

Agree. She said this while knowing that everyone was asking "Where are the Children".? If I were Ian Pawlowski's ex wife, I wouldn't want her anywhere near my children.

[@ligavasara-brakmane4051]

The ones she mentioned were the light children, I believe. So it might be understood that the dead uncle is sort of a guardian angel. Maybe. Who knows with these people. But I do believe that these two kids were not the ones labelled dark.

[@duanehole3390]

@ligavasara-brakmane4051 wrong her kids were dark so Chad says

[@ChrissyM06]

Thank you Tom and great interview Lauren

[@dappledaylight2628]

Tom, thank you for everything. I feel like you represented so many people who had a heart for this case. Lauren, thank you so much for doing such an outstanding job on all your videos. You are amazing

[@heatherstephens9295]

Tom is truly a decent human being 🤗🤗

[@IslandGirl-o2g]

I am so disappointed that I missed this live. I received Tom's book, and I was hooked just by reading the introduction. I am so excited that he is writing a second one.

[@cammyhageman5815]

I got my book that Tom wrote today . Can't wait to read it!!

[@romyespy6586]

Did you get it from Amazon? Amazon told me it won’t be delivered until 6/21 🙁

[@cammyhageman5815]

@@romyespy6586 I pre ordered my book !!

[@rustihershey126]

My book shipped today!!! I can't wait to read it!!! Thanks for sharing your perspective Tom!!!

[@nancybergbower5809]

So nice to hear from Tom again. I preordered his book. Can’t wait!

[@denacarlile5537]

I just ordered a copy of Tom's book, I'm looking forward to reading it! A big THANKS to Lauren & Dr. John for the coverage of both trials!! And thanks to Tom for sharing your thoughts and perspective!❤

[@connieburge2298]

I missed a daily connection when the trial ended. I found that it helps me to join Megan Conners group and chat with others. A place to decompress.

[@maureenorourke7134]

I love hearing you guys talk about the family members- God Bless them❤ Thank you both !!!!

[@daylestevens50]

I agree Chad seemed surprised with Aunt Vicky’s statement. I assumed he thought it was Heather the “pot stirrer.”

[@susanfriesen3625]

I never saw Aunt Vickies statement, can someone tell me where to find it?

[@tundramom]

Thank you Tom! I just ordered your book.

[@Beth104]

I keep reminding myself the jury new nothing of Chad and Lori 2 months ago, ❤

[@abigailjones2813]

What a lovely guy. Thanks for your work Tom.

[@KayLou209]

Thank you Lauren and Tom. Hello to Aunt Vicki! Pot Stirrers and BBQ united! Next justice for Charles and Brandon!

[@juliewilburn2942]

Just made my purchase!! Thank you Tom can’t wait for it to arrive !! ❤

[@mary-e5h]

I just ordered Tom's book! Love you guys from NC.

[@donnackk5860]

Congratulations Tom🇨🇦

[@karachikay5759]

I CAN NOT WAIT for the episode when you explain the barbecue story to Rob Wood 😂❤

[@whims6278]

Lol I second this 🤣

[@romyespy6586]

Watching you and Aunt Vicki talk about the BBQ made my day! ❤️‼️🤣

[@lorrainelaneres-zh1ut]

Same😂 I’m going through a sad time just now, recently one of my nephews was murdered leaving our family devastated but watching this two together had me crying with laughter 🤣 ❤

[@romyespy6586]

@@lorrainelaneres-zh1ut I agree. The 1st anniversary of my son’s unexpected death was last week. Kresha and Vicki made it a little bit easier. ❤️

[@kikiarthur5585]

@@lorrainelaneres-zh1utmy heart goes out to you that is just devastating 😢

[@kikiarthur5585]

@@romyespy6586bless you and your son 🙏❤️

[@lorrainelaneres-zh1ut]

@@kikiarthur5585 thank you so much 🙏❤️🙏

[@kathythiesen5147]

Hi Laura! Hi Tom! Good to see you both!

[@maureenorourke7134]

I love hearing you guys talk about the family members- God Bless them❤ Thank you both !!!! And I also loved the Aunt Vicky video with Lauren’s BarBQ story!!!!!

[@gowanderlustwithme]

Just ordered! Thank you Tom 😊

[@lorrainearmstrong327]

I am almost jealous when I hear of the comradeship so many of you had together. I’m very thankful you had each other at the trial. I didn’t really listen every day. I listened to the noontime show and the summing up at night. When I got overwhelmed a few times just as a listener, I could turn the tv off. The media had no choice but to keep going, because that’s your job or livelihood. Even though I think it would be a fascinating job, I would have a hard time seeing or hearing some of the things that the media is exposed to. What a great thing for Tom is doing with his proceeds. Congratulations on your book. I do feel like you are all my friends even though I’ve never met any of you. Thanks for sharing everything you have shared. Your friend Lorraine from Rexburg Idaho.

[@oldwomanofthehills]

I am wondering how Emma's and Garth's "testimony" will impact their jobs as teachers.

[@valentinat3250]

And in the wider community, too.

[@WaywardSun73]

Email says my book is on the way and I can’t even wait for it to get here! 🥰

[@nicholamc2629]

Tom’s book is going to land in my Kindle on 21st June. Cannot wait to read it! ❤

[@lorrainelaneres-zh1ut]

Can you please tell me the actual name of the book to order on kindle as its very specific and I’m trying to order but telling me it’s not recognised 🤦🏻‍♀️😃😂💞

[@nicholamc2629]

@@lorrainelaneres-zh1ut Money, Power and Sex, The Lori Vallow Daybell Trial by Juror number 18 Tom Evans.

[@darlenebutler4023]

Tom is a wonderful person I suspect Susan is as well. Much love and healing to them both

[@yvonnemoujalli6904]

Just pre-order now on Amazon so I hope to get it soon ,TY Lauren and Tom xx

[@lindalane3985]

Congrats on your book thank you for your service

[@MarcellaAble7]

I have a warm place in my heart for all that was a part in bringing justice for Tylee, JJ and Tammy. I had the honor to get a signed copy of Tom’s book at CrimeCon. I have made some great lifelong friends.

[@IndySpirit]

Tom seems like such a kind and thoughtful man. Thanks for having him on.

[@tinyspyder]

Yes!!! Audio book!! Thank you!!

[@LeetaAnderson]

It so nice to have you back

[@Granny2450]

Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

thank you so much!

[@sheilakelley4987]

Just ordered your book on Kindle

[@FlowerChild65]

Great interview. Looking forward to the book!

[@COMRVNA]

Bonsoir Lauren, Tom, Gems and all...getting the book now 😛

[@calmkitty2]

Sitting in the car talking to Emma and saying "I am not coming back'.

[@ligavasara-brakmane4051]

Glad to know it will be on Audible at some point! I'd love to have the story in Tom's voice!

[@heathercschafer]

Tom’s book was just delivered today and I cannot wait to begin reading it!!

[@Spmama444]

I took a whole week off no social media after the case and justice was served!!!! I like this idea of lunch lives keeping us in on the conversation but also REST, and keeping good healthy boundaries…

[@conniepelton9275]

Thank you for the great interview, Lauren,Tom ❤

[@onemanstrash8233]

Got my book today! Thank you Tom!!

[@gauisblach7757]

It is totally appropriate to ask a non juror when they made up their mind or whether they thought the defendant should have testified in their own defense. It is totally inappropriate for journalists to try to force jurors to disclose their thoughts about such issues when they had specific prohibitions. The pursuit of "Tea" feeds defense appeal efforts.

[@debrarivera1974]

Will Tom's book be available on Audible?

[@deannashowers2994]

Yes, it is in Canada so I'd imagine it would be in the States 😊

[@Jennagiovanni]

@Tom.Evans, I ordered book can't wait for it to arrive Tues!

[@dawnsharp3581]

I preordered it and just received his book yesterday, I have already started to dive in :)

[@anewbrightidea9080]

You seem to be feeling better now Lauren! Thank goodness. You had us worried about you.

[@lisaw.1601]

Lauren, have you tried to contact Chad's other 3 children to get their perspective? The focus has been on Emma and Garth but I am very curious about the other 3.

[@kikiarthur5585]

I have been thinking exactly what you are thinking, I wonder if the three other daybell kids are in contact with Emma and Garth ? And also how they were doing now their father is a convicted murderer with the DP hanging over his head?. They really must need some serious therapy to come to terms with the fact chad had fed them such nonsense all their life and he murdered their mother ???? I still can’t quite believe what they done to so many innocent people that’s gotta be real hard to get to grips with!

[@wendyhall809]

Thank you Tom

[@sharonashcraft6358]

Yes Chad had no tears even as many repeats of his wife's voice

[@carrieeslinger9193]

I received my book today, started reading already!

[@janetwale1019]

Mad respect Tom! So happy to hear that you are going to be doing an audiobook.

[@PollyAlice2000]

I just received Tom’s book today, and I’m looking forward to his insights!

[@brendadodge1190]

Ordered a book, can’t wait to get it!

[@helenporcello1924]

My book was just delivered. Can't wait to read it

[@ta2dgrams-s1o]

Just got my book from Tom started reading

[@EydieRuth]

Still waiting on my book. Wrote the publisher. Hope he sends it soon. I’m also anxious to read it!

[@hurricaneholly338]

A bittersweet thought is the fact Tom can write a trilogy if the next book covers Chad’s trial and the final book is about Lori’s Arizona trial. I do like the thought of Chad stewing about all the book publishing. Great interview as always. 💕

[@Mayla_boo]

Can’t wait to sit in my portal and read the book! 🎉

[@flowerladyfowler6379]

Thank you so much for all you do. I miss you all so much, but I understand everyone needs some good R and R. ❤

[@KimberlyMack2005]

Beautiful message ❤

[@livehealthyfinishstrong]

Great guy!

[@deannashowers2994]

Just ordered Tom's Book!!

[@Luluisraging.86]

Thank you Tom and Lauren both!! (Because I was screaming at my phone!) ❤

[@TheresaRathbone-v3y]

So looking forward to reading Tom’s book 📕

[@annasworld1]

I’m so glad Tom mentioned Charles’s character. I saw those body cam videos. He looked depleted. Hurt and betrayed. But not in a retaliation sense. He appeared to be so in love w Lori. He was in fear for his life. Rightfully so. And he was worried about the children more than himself. Lori, Alex and Tylee made him out to be a ruthless person. And I’m going to say this. I do believe Tylee was coached to say what she did. Lori and Tylee had a lot of time together after Charles was killed…just my thoughts…

[@dianehulet789]

Awesome, seeing both of you!

[@beckyinghram8611]

Just ordered my book!

[@kathygreen7207]

Received Toms book yesterday….Then see this reel with Lauren and Tom. Looking forward to the read! 👍🥰