Mormon Stories and Hidden True Crime-Visions of Glory PART 2, Prepper Mayhem

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Other pertinent Hidden True Crime Episodes:
Daybell crash course: • LORI VALLOW & CHAD DAY...
Chad Daybell speech • CHAD DAYBELL'S speech ...
Braxton Southwick Interview: • LORI VALLOW DAYBELL'S ...
Jodi Hildebrandt beliefs: • RUBY FRANKE & JODI HIL...
Tim Ballard: www.youtube.co...
What do Chad Daybell, Tim Ballard, Jodi Hildebrandt all have in common?
Is it Thom Harrison, author of Visions of Glory?

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PART 1: kzbin.info9eyqYLlGwBk?si=72O3sfc82r_OcDM7

[@Time_Is_Left]

33:34 The question that needs an answer is, what are the mechanisms in this belief system that should have saved JJ and Tylee from a Lori and Chad? What mechanisms were ignored or exploited? What did Lori get wrong and how would she have known better?

[@Munjajane]

@@Time_Is_Left she got everything wrong - all for attention. Cant fix stupid or greed or delusions .

[@Time_Is_Left]

@@Munjajane oh well no point caring about the next kid then. Job done You better hope something can be done about stoopid

[@Munjajane]

@@Time_Is_Left what am I supposed to do about any of it?

[@Munjajane]

@@Time_Is_Left and who said anything about not caring about the kids ? Sadly I knew this family / I knew Janice and Barry ! Dumped him years ago as my finance advisor- if you think anyone can change people / you can’t.

[@gtaylor6937]

I LOVE that Hidden True Crime and Mormon Stories are getting together on this subject. You two are the most informed voices covering these Mormon cult atrocities. The Mormons aren't the only fundamentalist religious group spawning extremists - there is plenty of that going on in other repressive religions as well. But they sure are making a name for themselves these days so I'm glad there are intelligent, balanced individuals like yourselves covering this. Thank you!

[@snowwhite2524]

I hope that Jodi never gets out of prison as punishment for abusing and torturing children and mentally abusing adults. She is a total monster and a threat to society.

[@patricianoel7782]

And ruining so many marriages , breaking up so many families. 😮

[@leaterry1504]

I pray at least she will never practice therapy again or be allowed to be around children if she does eventually get out of prison. She's pure evil.

[@margisacca]

Hope she can’t “consult” or offer therapy from prison. Warren Jeffs is still influencing his church.

[@sonekasher-s14]

Lauren is a great interviewer with a cast-iron stomach!! Say I, who cannot tolerate listening to Braxton and his ilk.

[@DonnaLena1]

I couldn’t make it through his Hidden Crime interview. No way!

[@ackrackpack]

This is incredible A+ research by everyone involved in this episode.

[@teena4rl211]

Lauren is old school journalism--dig until you find the bones. I follow her and Dr. John on their channel. Excellent podcast everyone. Thank you for raising awareness regarding the tragic outcomes that have resulted from the beliefs promulgated by this book.

[@NormaJean951]

They are amazing because they are both educated and trained and they also never talk about something unless they know the subject up and down. Lauren is amazing and her husband is an expert in his field. It’s perfection. I love their show and how sweet they are to eachother.

[@edamameedamame1202]

Me too 100%. I feel like they are demon-slayers, no joke

[@staceynolen5276]

Lauren is great!

[@bettyhappschatt3467]

I would like to add that imo Lauren's skills as an interviewer are exceptional. Not only is she logical, never missing te subject, but she is warm keeping a respectful distance.

[@sarahhunter7556]

I just have to say .. this interview with Braxton, made me become a member with Hidden True Crime! I could NOT believe, or legitimize, this persons disconnection with reality. STUNNED.. all I can say 🙅‍♀️

[@cynthiabeverforden5257]

He lacks the mind/body connection. The English people tend to have that trait more than Continental Europeans. I think it is that stiff upper lip thing.

[@candicetreser2092]

Lauren’s interview was magnificent.

[@judimoore1678]

Braxton definitely is more frightening than the rest.

[@tealemon4693]

​@@judimoore1678I think his beliefs are more common than any of us on the outside even know and I don't think he is an outsider in that cult

[@raindancer2460]

@@tealemon4693 I believe you are absolutely correct. The book, Vision of Glory sold like hot cakes. It was passed around from ward to ward. This is why their conventions with their speakers sell out too. Incredibly sad, imo.

[@Lookatmedonnad]

Thank you for giving Kresha Kay Easton some props, she has been working on this connection for months. Difficult Research has been calling out Tim and Sound of Freedom before the movie came out. Also many thanks to Lynn Packer.

[@katieshort8162]

Really well-done! Lauren, I have had a growing respect for your fortitude, journalism skills, humanity, and humor. Thank you for standing for truth and decency.

[@pennyportolese6064]

Could not stop watching both parts! Congratulations to the entire panel. The work is outstanding

[@Ma1lbag]

Thank you guys for making more sense to the Nonsensical actions of Lori and Chad with the beliefs in this book. They are so dangerous!!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you so much!

[@marycruise9348]

They exploited it for their own lusts.

[@sarkahalastova9667]

Incredible work, Lauren. And you ask Braxton great questions about the potential danger of these beliefs! And he says it all out loud, he is just refusing to connect the dots.

[@judimoore1678]

Braxton is one scary dude, and he is ONLY ONE!

[@JoSews-t6m]

HTC and Mormon stories have the best content. So appreciative that you decided to collaborate.

[@ginaross6382]

If you haven’t yet, check out A Murderous Heart done by Annie Cushing, Joe’s sister, Tylee’s niece. She does amazing research and has such a tender heart. Her stories about contacts with Lori and Tylee over the years are also fascinating. She’s also done specials on Melani P, Melanie Gibbs, Adam and others in the family. And she really got the ball rolling for Joe’s death to be reinvestigated.

[@JoSews-t6m]

@@ginaross6382 I did see one of Annie’s podcasts where she was going through her pictures of her brothers apartment and explaining what did not seem right about the environment. I’ll definitely check out her channel for other material. Thanks for the tip!

[@sheilabritton2775]

I think that every time a Jodi Hildebrandt clip is played, John's snickering in the background should be included!

[@marycruise9348]

Agree

[@lizkrafft4343]

Brilliant episode! Thank you, all four of you! ❤🙏🏻❤🙏🏻❤🙏🏻❤🙏🏻

[@thewoodlandfairyqueen5245]

The new channel should be titled “Called To Serve.” Since they are literally serving or going to serve ALOT of time in jail

[@KelliCurran425]

It’s crazy. I had an NDE (Died for - 2 min) Although, I DID have an amazing experience….now I want to know why I do not have this incredible gift that EVERY ONE of these ppl have after EVERY ONE of them also “had an NDE.” Dang it all, where in the heck are my special abilities?!!! Oh well! Guess I’m defective 😂🤣😂

[@mynameiseve.1]

I guess youre not "righteous" enough sweetheart i.e. evil!!

[@wendyjsp]

Doesnt mean anything… there’s experiences from church members in church history that had NDEs and they experience what most people say.. (not everyone is the same and not everyone INTERPRETs correctly) so just cuz you did not have doesn’t mean it does not happens!

[@catasrophieGrrl]

You four are officially Team Awesome for the intense work you've all done and for these two videos especially. Included in Team Awesome, also, are of course, Dr Babe (John), Dr John Dehlin's wife and team, Mindy's husband and Megan's partner as well. All of whom helped and supported this work immensely. And all the other researchers and people who have come forward to share with us, Anon or not. Thank you all so much for this deep understanding of wtf is happening the last few years! I'm incredibly grateful as a non religious person. Having to deep dive a whole religion, it's history and it's fringes and extremists is a lot of work that I personally would have spent years fuddling through if you all weren't so diligent in handing us a light and a path. Kia Kaha!

[@bettyhappschatt3467]

"Suupper Duupper unethical" Hitting the nail on the head.

[@verucasalty5]

I've been subbed since the start of this channel and man I gotta say Lauren is literally the best investigative journalist I've ever seen.

[@courtneyko1466]

I think you all summed this up perfectly. This book appeals to prideful people who want glory. The name of the book is aptly named. It attracts these self important people like a moth to the light.

[@TinaBUTCHER-ph1ph]

I find the weakness and general inability of the Holy Spirit in this disturbing. Also, why does God choose people with no aptitude to write his word? It's all about sex, money and power for all of these people.

[@chelseydixon6833]

I watched the interview with Braxton, the whole almost 3 hours, at least 3 times. My head was spinning. I’m so glad you guys did this episode.

[@bethbeaudoin6374]

I'm gonna rewatch both of these again but I wanted to thank you, Megan, and John and everyone who worked on this because this was absolutely incredible and informative and just wow!

[@gtaylor6937]

Am officially in love with John for giggling through the Jodi Hildebrandt/Thom Harrison conference presentation. I've been in similar situations too where no matter how hard you try you just can't control yourself. That was sublime.

[@honeybunch5765]

I was waiting for this. Common sense says there must be something extreme sending these Mormons off the path. Who could have guessed it was a book. Oh then again it is always a book when it comes to religions.

[@patricianoel7782]

Bottom line is ALWAYS MONEY! 🤑

[@nbgilbert]

“Mormons keep delivering content” 🤣

[@Rhombohedral]

It's like Netflix but different

[@Munjajane]

The gift of drama that keeps on giving.

[@COMRVNA]

😂😂😂

[@sensiblecrime7699]

I had a near death experience. An angel came to my house. He showed me people who had lots of overdue library books. There were dark spirits all around them. You have to lead a good life or you could turn dark in an instant.

[@astrialindah2773]

😂😂😂😂

[@rusunnynow]

Thank you Lauren for your commitment in and covering that which is hidden and revealing the truth! People who are following the teachings from the book Visions of Glory are looking beyond the mark! With delusions of grandeur, they are drowning in disbelief. Pure True Doctrine is not enough, they want something more. Without a foothold or a firm foundation in Truth, They eventually crumble and fall. Thank you for your Determination to unravel the Truth. Praying 🙏 for your Peace & Protection as you Boldly Declare Truth! May your Testimony grow even stronger!

[@tealemon4693]

The Bible is the only true word it is the inspired inerrant word of God if you choose to believe that this book visions of Glory is scripture or the book of Mormon or the pearl without great price or the word of whatever you're going to have to admit you are not a Christian and do not believe in the one true God

[@candylaplante1486]

Alicen your statement is spot on. The cycle of abuse and "treatment" is obvious thank you all...connecting the dots is chilling. The Franke children were definitely experiencing a culmination of these unbelievable wacko beliefs. The end of this harm please!

[@luciennetaylor4608]

Really the Mormon church needs a swift reform

[@ninamarie801]

OMGshhhhh… when I heard that first clip of Thom speaking to his clients loved ones where they said to tell the client to stop. It reminds me of Chad telling Tammy that her grandmother came to him and tell her to stop playing video games. The relationship of theology between all of These people are beyond evident 😢

[@ipsosmaati1971]

So everybody is busy up there, but Lori will rest in the arms of Jesus....

[@bcgirlz]

Excellent collaboration. I can't help thinking about the movie "The Rapture" with Mimi Rogers. It features a religious couple who were preparing for the tribulations, and when it didn't happen, Mimi Rogers took her daughter out to the desert and un-alived her. Very similar beliefs.

[@teresawood6830]

I really appreciate this deep dive into the beliefs of the folks following the visions of glory book and people. Very insightful. Lauren and Megan asked extremely good questions at the very end. I’m not sure that naming Chad, Bishop, or anyone else would be enough for a very long period of time. They’ve given up their morals to achieve their ends, which is very dangerous in my opinion.

[@karinwells8507]

Thanks for your videos

[@whiskers8431]

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ FIVE HUGE STARS for these two exceptional episodes. Great work everyone 👏👌✨

[@ElisabethB-fy3wn]

Love you Lauren ❤❤❤ and the Mormon channel and guest Meagan ❤❤❤❤❤❤ we love you and your strength ❤❤❤❤❤❤,mindy of course ❤❤❤❤❤thank you

[@tawnyachristensen7310]

Appreciate the info, it helps to connect the dots between these horrific crimes. What a. great team of people. Love when you collab with Lauren.

[@desired4558]

Amazingly, informative and educational content! A brilliant way to fully cover two afternoon/evenings! Thanks to Lauren, I was introduced to 3 others. Would be thrilled to listen to more collaborations about anything at anytime. The time just flew by. I'm not mormon, so this was all very interesting. Best wishes to all. Happy Friday. 🌺💙💛🙏💛💙🌺

[@anabelgarner3338]

Lauren I absolutely love how respectful and skilled of an interviewer you are. I absolutely would fly off the handle trying to talk to Braxton. 😂

[@indigoblue4791]

Could easily be the most important videos I've seen in the longest time. Can't thank everyone involved both seen and unseen. 😊

[@Terrie-QD-PRN]

Wow, Lori said I, I, I so many times. Very self absorbed and self important above others. So eye opening listening to this again now.

[@sherielowe4256]

I agree it sounds even more evil to me knowing what we know now.

[@HazelSageHP]

John giggling during the panel, while the other folks were able to keep it quiet, made me cackle! I was right there with you John 😂 Yall were all incredible and I'm super impressed by you. I came from Mormon Stories, but I'll be checking out the Hidden True Crime catalog for sure now!!

[@marycruise9348]

Amd then answering his own question so well😅

[@mandolinwind]

Thank you, Lauren, and fabulous panel. Watched an hour here, hour there- etc., etc. Found this devastingly depressing, but a story that needed to be told. I never heard of those people, ( except , of courseLori Vallow- since beginningof her/their case. A little of Jodi H. And Ruby Franke) or that book, except for the coverage it received on Lori's pool lounge chair during trial. I dreaded hearing the excerpts of "Visionz of Gory"😮. It was almost unbearable to get through it. The laughter behind the scenes, along with my outloud chuckles , actually, my pleas to the powers that be - "please, make it stop"😫😫 in sync and chimed in with all four of you took off the edge! That said, i agree, it should be denounced; if people are taking it literally and to the level of Vallow/Daybell, heinous murders especially children, Jodi child abuse and certified mind games amongst couples)instead of a creepy science fiction novel that it sounds like. Just learned the story you reported yesterday about the 16 year young " "Blaze" has been found safe, with arrests made to his mother and Uncle? That all said, altho i could never, ever be interested in that book, really appreciate you're bringing it the the forefront and shedding light on such unbelievable , strange behaviors that we know of so far and as of late, due to this book. Frightening! What's more frightening to me, are the folks who treat it as scripture - now that is really scary and so sad.😢.

[@garywade3798]

I can’t Liston to this any longer, and I am a fan of the crime side. I come from a large family. Was taught to garden and store. Be frugal, don’t go in debt, be grateful. I am now 80 and there has been several times in my life a am thankful I have prepared. Right now with the inflation being so high it is really hard to buy food and miscellaneous item. It’s individual who have become nut jobs. Many horrible things have been done in the name of religion.

[@cindyjohnson5956]

Mind blown!! Brilliant presentation of “connecting the dots”. I’ve watched both parts twice now. Incredible work…thanks to all who work so hard to bring us the facts. John Dehlin has honed his skills as a podcaster almost to perfection!!!!! 5 *****

[@bettychurchill5545]

Was unclear until I listened to this, but believe I heard from Lauren she is still a practicing LDS member. Would love to hear her speak on this. No judgement was curious on how this is impacting her personally.

[@angelawright5628]

Yes, Lauren is still a member of record. But having listen to every one of her podcasts from day one, I’m pretty sure she does not hold a temple recommend and attends church about once a month if that. No judgment but it sometimes can be confusing when she says she’s a member and people automatically assume that she is a faithful devout member. I’m pretty sure she is not, I listen to one of her podcasts where the night before was her birthday and her husband said she had two martinis. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t supposed to say that and she was kind of like a deer in the headlights for many seconds She did not know how to respond to that because I believe there are a lot of active LDS people who listen to her podcasts and I don’t think that would’ve gone over very well with them.

[@palmtrees1697]

@@angelawright5628 Didn't Lauren say she's a Sunday school teacher? She wouldn't just attend once a month if that's the case, right? Just curious.

[@ginaross6382]

I saw that Melani P is due in court tomorrow. I wish Lauren or Annie on AMurderous Heart would dig into why she wasn’t required to testify at the trial. She knew way more then her 2nd husband. Also I saw a clip of her & Ian being served outside there hime with court docs in 2021. Well after all the gruesome details of the attempted murder of her 1st husband and the murders of Charles, Tylee, JJ & Tammy. She kept complaining she had to get the kids to school, you could hear them behind the door. Then she came out carrying a baby, I assume she had with Ian. How does this crazy lady who I believe tried to kill her children’s father, get unsupervised access to children.

[@cristieknudsen5059]

😊😊​@@palmtrees1697

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

I was planning to wait until I finished the episode to comment but oh my word, I was dying laughing alongside John and trying not to wake my girlfriend up yet but it kept getting worse the more she said. 1:32:43 😭😂 Whew, that was a *much needed* laugh this morning so thank y’all for that.

[@paulamarie43]

Love you all so much more now!! Thank you for all your work and passion and righteous indignation!! I stand with you in calling out the harm and abuse!!

[@tonyachristou]

no year passes without the appearance of stories which describe peoples in imaginary worlds. Visions of Glory sounds similar to The Vril Society the Nazis believed in. Vril is energy spiritually advanced, it's a kind of universal material or energy, and whoever discovers it and masters its usage will acquire great powers. Vril, the Power of the Coming Race (1870) by Edward Bulwer-Lytton is an early science fiction novel. i think both of these books authors were familiar with hindu stories and let their imagination run wild

[@Terrie-QD-PRN]

Thank you for sharing this information.

[@raye271]

Good point. Add to this the pulp science fiction L Ron Hubbard wrote which became the backbone of Scientology.

[@patricianoel7782]

Very interesting 🧐 thanks

[@VirtuousHereticKristin]

You are a true journalist. You pieced the puzzle together. Now we need to figure out how deep and wide it goes.

[@lasttrip7257]

So grateful for all of you doing this, your hard work, research and exposing these issues and how they are connected. Praying this opens a lot of hearts and minds to see the truth. 🙏

[@lidiagutierrez7983]

Thank you to you all for exposing these predators that hide under the titles of therapists, children rescuers, spiritual scammers, for pointing out the LDS’s crooked doctrine and the church’s leaders that enable these extremist and facilitate victims for them, they are all disgusting 🤮

[@violiendamast]

The obsession with sex seems higher in groups/cults that condemn it than outside 🤷‍♂️.

[@sherielowe4256]

Totally Obsessed

[@mynameiseve.1]

Its wild...its all about pornography/masturbation (youtube is gonna remove this im sure even though i topic in the video). 54,000 young adults and the nr.1 problem is porn?? I wasnt thinking obsessively about porn ever in my life. Id say normal. These religious maniacs are wow.

[@kathleenp9643]

Agree 100%

[@leighannehubbard2005]

You all laughing during the, " hard" conversation was the best, and completely normal 😂😊

[@WaffleFaceRVA]

This is just fascinating. Part 1 was riveting too. Well done guys!

[@JanHorn-g9h]

Thank you. This is a well organized podcast with an excellent panel. So well researched and informed. I trust your work and your intentions.

[@tricia7728]

The cognitive dissonance Lori exhibits in her sentencing statement blows me away every time I watch it.

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

I will *never* forget that moment in time. I was shocked from the second she said yes, she wants to speak; But holy cow, I will never forget how my jaw continuously dropped and my head continuously shook throughout her statement. I know how I felt along with everyone in live chats at that moment but I can only imagine how it felt in that room… and the glances likely made between those sitting there having to listen to this. There is SO much to unpack! And I love Kay Woodcock’s reaction outside the courthouse afterwards, just completely calling her on her new “near death experience” no one had ever heard of until now.

[@gtaylor6937]

Yes and the feigned emotion she injected into parts of her speech indicated she really expected people to believe her. Her own son and sister screamed at her that no religion on earth condones the murder of children, yet she pranced on in her virtual reality feeling as righteous as ever. Stunning.

[@gtaylor6937]

@@lindseyhendrix2405 I've always heard the term about jaw dropping but never experienced it myself before this trial. Like you, mine literally fell open at several junctions because I was so shocked. The texts about increasing the pain level for the children sent me over the edge - that's when there was no longer any doubt about how evil these people were.

[@sensiblecrime7699]

I see Lori as an example of a person convincing themselves that what they want to be true is true. She wanted to believe that she was an enlightened being, then she wanted a life free of a husband and children. I don't think she was completely crazy because she could calculate social security and life insurance money.

[@emilysilver9844]

Thanks for getting down in the weeds with this - truly great journalism.

[@annechick1501]

A wonderful eightening discussion. People of great integrity helping us to understand the incomprehensible! A wonderful outlet if days! LAUREN YOU'RE THE BEST!!!!❤

[@lisacarroll9927]

Amazing work to all of you! It's taking me several days on breaks from work after work and finally trying to finish up to listen to EVERY WORD!

[@EllaRose238]

Missed the live. I find the body language and vigorous note-taking of the judge while Lori made her statement very interesting.

[@judimoore1678]

If she keeps talking, she prob will be excommunicated

[@kneesandtoes44]

Lori's body language during sentencing was very very telling. Legs crossed, foot tapping - doesn't match up to what she was saying at all

[@YvonneBennett-u7j]

SO excellent thank you ALL.

[@marypatterson5189]

Thank you for this in depth investigation, I was not familiar with this publication, nor its authors, and the impact it is causing. Very alarming.

[@luciennetaylor4608]

OmG the passenger 8 counseler too!!

[@cherylspinazzola5572]

Sooo much info. I will be watching both episodes at least 5 times to truly hear it all.

[@BelleFleurMakeup]

I was literally dying of laughter when you said Noah forgot the dinosaurs😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@anya44159]

What the hell is on with this mormons people ?!😮 And Lauren you look amazing 🤩 I love your work! Thank you 🙏🏼

[@lilfiery0ne]

and another just awesome awesome show Lauren!! and still so much left to be explored in regard to this book and the dynamics of the people who come under its spell ... the challenging aspect of all books of this type, as is true with in all cults ... is that it contains elements of truth that we all recognize, but it is obscure and hidden, in Heavens own language and this language most don't yet grasp or even recognize it exists, and so, if one is not careful, the information can be easily manipulated to fit ones own needs or agenda, ... in the same way people have manipulated the bible throughout the ages.

[@SD-co9xe]

This is fascinating. Thank you for this content. And I agree that Lauren is a great interviewer.

[@ColleenDonohue-e2c]

This was so interesting, thank you all.

[@lorawhitfield6995]

Fantastic coverage! I came back here to say that after finishing this episode I was scrolling Facebook and an ad from Angel Studios (Sound of Freedom) popped up. It was advertising a new movie coming out on October 27th called After Death. It’s a documentary about people that have experienced NDE. WTH? I wonder if it will have any parallels to Visions of Glory? I’m kind of intrigued 🤔 John - I sent you an email with a screenshot but I’m sure your mailbox gets pretty full.

[@susanelizabeth2222]

How can we trust any member of the LDS church? This stuff is SOOOOO scary.

[@patricianoel7782]

They used to be known for their honesty and integrity; now Utah is the fraud capital of the country.

[@kneesandtoes44]

Or any church !

[@suzque]

This is an unfair statement. I know hundreds of LDS people and they believe nothing like this. They are people who care about families and Christ. I have no idea of why some turn extreme, but you can’t blame a whole religion on some peoples choices just as you can’t say all the doctors out there are bad just because you came across a bad one.

[@kneesandtoes44]

@@suzque it's not a reflection on the people who have been bamboozled. It's the wrong doing of those who are the ones doing the exploiting. I say this kindly

[@sunneekee854]

It screams CULT

[@amykru]

Thank you for connecting all of these dots. I would use the word 'connections' but it has been tainted in this context. Delusions are fun until people get hurt.

[@reumanimation2845]

What a well-researched, articulate and reasoned discussion. Thank you.

[@ElisabethB-fy3wn]

Sorry went fishing missed your live , but hey thank you so much for opening this book that people call faith 😮😊

[@msmdare]

In 1990, my 21 year old son was killed. I desperately wanted to know where my son went. I read many of these books. I do not agree with the belief of OBE, or Near Death experience. a book by Helen Graves called Testimony of Light. An afterlife book by a nun who channeled it. Her view was similar to the evil spirits entering a drunk or inebriated, almost the same words. Her ideology of the levels (ie purgatory, etc.) the Church says happen after we die. I do not believe in channeling at this point, its like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get. Thank you Forrest Gump! Sadly last year my youngest son took his life. So now it's off to research again! I'm devastated, thus vulnerable to cultish teachings! I appreciate these channels, not the same 'Channeling"!

[@Vitaminsiobhan]

I was kind of shocked by Braxton's use of the phrase "do away with" when describing the childrens' murders in the clip 😮 Like they were just taking the trash out or something.

[@anj3595]

I am so glad to find this channel. The exposures to the Mormonism subject is always good. It amazes me how many channels of evil there are. My first meeting of a Mormon was a college professor in Cali. Talk about grandiose!! I had never met such a delusional person in my young, Kansan life. It sure raised my spidey senses for the extended future.

[@brandywillis3998]

Love both your channels. thanks!

[@InternationalMysteries360]

Don’t forget the first husband Joe Ryan. He was also a victim, but seems forgotten.

[@OGMsVixen]

Third husband, but definitely a victim.

[@InternationalMysteries360]

Thank you!

[@Raycharles2011]

I watched Lori’s whole trial but I hadn’t seen/heard the sentencing… and she reminds me so much of my Mom (which is kinda scary cuz she was a moderator on that online community prior to Julie Rowe getting excommunicated and says she left because the leader dude was a bully and she thought they were getting too far off LDS doctrine). I don’t understand how the judge let her say all the nonsense.. letting her speak for her dead children and Tammy.. it was infuriating.. I’m gonna have to listen to the judges comments later. But dang… it was shocking..

[@SatansRoerhat]

Looking forward to this part two 🌼

[@patriciaseybold7396]

Another terrific episode!

[@heatherhammersmith8997]

To Lauren's point (when talking about the connections to VoG) about Lori helping her children...when listening to her statement in court I heard her say exactly that when recounting her NDE. She said it was spirits showing her why she had to return to earth that had showed her (and she said she then knew/understood that) she needed to return to "help" her children - she said it was her mission. And all I could think was she is almost saying she knew she would one day "need" to "help" her children into their graves. I absolutely agree that she is a true believer in the VoG.

[@Rebky]

I've been following this story that seems to just keep growing since it started, my daughter was living in Rexburg at the time. I was SO alarmed when Lori would not say where her kids were, I got a really sick feeling about the whole thing! It's been a trainwreck of the worst possible kind, absolutely heartbreaking!! I have watched your channel, I noticed you got right on the Tim Ballard story.. then Ruby and Jodie! My jaw dropped to the floor as you made those connections to this book they were all reading!?! What?? I'd never heard of it. You made an absolutely correct observation that it is a group of people who desire SO much, and yet obviously fail to BE relevant in the Church so they step outside of it and try to be a bigger fish in a much smaller pond!! I agree 100% but I do not blame the Church for that! That is an individual thing, water seeking it's own level is how they've found each other, via Thom Harrison (obviously, and thanks to you for connecting the dots)! We see this behavior in every Faith though, it shows up in every cullture. It's the same stuff the uni-bomber, the terrorist, the school and public shooters are made of. It comes from a personality that feels invisible, while wanting not only to be SEEN but to be celebrated; if not that, at least to be remembered for something bigger than they. A while back I saw you teamed up with John Dehlin?? I clicked on his channel many years ago, and never made that mistake again. It was just story after story of him dissing and sneering at the Church. You know how people can leave the Church but they cannot seem to leave the Church alone? I could not stand listening to him. I only tolerated him in this segment because it is on YOUR channel, and I wanted to hear your investigative journalism and take on all of this. I like that your husband adds his psychological skillset to the conversation!! I will say, it was very interesting to learn you served a Mission in this episode, I had not guessed you had any affiliation from previous episodes I've tuned in to. It is bizarre that this weirdness is going on, and that all these weird little sub-sets are making the headlines- Lo and Behold-they are connected to each other! I had no idea such groups existed until Tylee and JJ disappeared. You should go back to reminding people these books are NOT in any way shape or form put out by the Church, members are warned not to read such garbage. Tim Ballard (and others) only name drop to make themselves feel/sound relevant.

[@melanie9369]

It would be interesting to hear if there are prominent medical doctors in trouble who are connected to these teachings. Especially with Thom's ties to Primary Children's Hospital. I saw on his linked in he worked there in the 80's.

[@onika700]

Lori has to continue to "believe", otherwise she would have to face the awful truth about what she did.

[@recynd77]

I read “Visions of Glory” several years ago when I was still an active member (though an adult convert). I thought it was “the Bullshit™️” then, and I do now, but I can’t say I’m surprised by the effect it’s had on some members, especially those in UT (I’m in CA). I’m not anti-LDS (and my husband is still a True Believer), but I can see how this nonsense can happen. I’m also still very good friends with my now-100% disillusioned RS Visiting Teacher…she had completely bought into the Church as a young teen. My husband and I raised our son in the Church, but never forced attendance; he quit going at about age 14 (he said no Seminary, Scouts, or Young Men’s for him!), and so he never fit in anyway. Plus, he’s gay. The Church upholds many solid values: kindness, respect, and duty towards others, families, self-reliance, modesty/chastity, and health/self-respect. It’s the culture (and the corporation) that’s weird. I didn’t participate with that part. I was inactive by the time Covid came around; when the Leadership pushed those experimental jabs and forced masking/social distancing, I said hell no. Anyway: I’m all for free speech, so I wouldn’t be inclined to “ban” the book, but it definitely needs exposure to criticism and sunlight! Job well done.

[@45Thesecret]

That therapy piece was unreal. My gosh.

[@marycruise9348]

John explains that so well.

[@adoral.libertucci2647]

This was an excellent episode!

[@kristinrabun6899]

Lori's statement in court truly sickens me. She justified all of her crimes and has no remorse. She should not be allowed to speak the name of Tammy Daybell. It's disgusting.

[@trishaG]

Hi John, now Subscriber from UK. I listened to all of Part1. As a part of the spiritual & truther community, a lot of these beliefs in the book are even being spread by non Mormons and non religious people. So I wonder, have they read this book too??? Is this where a lot of these beliefs started ref 144000 and the second coming etc. 😳 This is much wider than the Morman community 🤔

[@ElisabethB-fy3wn]

What a distructive belief 😮,when Lori speaks !😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@Rhombohedral]

Braxton Southwick, its quite something Are they all like that❓Answer: Yes They Are‼

[@jaynine]

Despite the grim subject, Megan is FUNNY

[@dilafng]

By not denouncing this dangerous nonsense, the LDS Church leaders have gotten blood on their hands. It’s infuriating.

[@lindamartinez7006]

I read his book . Don’t agree with it . But could you explain how or why this would make a time kill ? Chad daybell and Laurie in my opinion are just serial killers for insurance money .

[@ipsosmaati1971]

My path gives me certainty and joy. Why do certain Mormons cry when witnessing and why are they so easily deceived?

[@renaebodine1029]

You are all amazing thank you very eye opening crazy stuff I can't believe anyone could believe that book to be true facts

[@nancycornett9949]

Thank you all so much!

[@sherielowe4256]

John why did they pull your interview with Adam Steed? I listened to yours and Lauren's interviews. Talk about eye opening.

[@patricianoel7782]

But did the evil spirits enter the crown of Joseph Smiths head at his bar /salon in Nauvoo!?😮🎉