Hifi Myths - Audiophiles Don't Need Subs?

[@Tomasz-y3e]

I have Klipsch spl100 as a subwoofer in my system and I initially was using it in a small room to my dissatisfaction. Since I have moved it to a larger space I am super satisfied, to a point that I cannot imagine listening to music without a sub. It is a great improvment.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@Tomasz-y3e thx for sharing 😊

[@soulshinobi]

"That is a daft digression, but I'm going to keep it in anyway." Bless you 😂

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I was in mid flow so decided to keep it in 😂

[@osliverpool]

There's nothing wrong with a bit of digression - just ask Paul McGowan!

[@garysmith8455]

@@osliverpool Too TRUE LOL !

[@totalplonker824]

I find by having dual subs the integration being a whole lot smoother/easier, it's probably because i have two Rel 8" down-firing T5is positioned behind the couch, which are 6"-8" away from the corners and having them both connected to each individual stereo speaker binding posts (high level input) The biggest compliment I get is when a guest/friend ask.... "how come you get such a huge sound from at such a small speaker" 😁

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

That is great. Always a pleasure to hear from you 😊👍

[@erics.4113]

I agree with the total plonker. Two RELs gets you closer to full range with no boomy b.s.. I put mine with all manner of budget book shelves and couldn't go without them now

[@rmabgoi]

Same here, two Rel Quakes on my bedroom, one Rel Storm III in the living room. I recap the subs with Mundorf caps, and dealed with the bad Rel Acoustics decision on using the R8 resistor with just 12k-1W by changing it to the right values, 15k-3W Mills resistor (Storm III). That is it weakest point, along with R6 resistor and the four less thermic capable transistors, changed them as well. Huge sound quality improvement...from Daweoo caps to Mundorf MLytic.

[@briancampbell7712]

once i had a pair of Dali Rubicon2 standmounts paired with one Rel T7X and liked it a lot...then I got a second...the truth is I liked just one much better than 2 of them...

[@bigblueocean]

Devoted REL user here. Wouldn't want to be without it now. In fact..... Looking for a second one

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I would love to be able to accommodate two too 😉👍

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@M S SVS make some good subs 😊

[@mauricecuffee7220]

Just got the SVS 3000 micro to mate with my Totem Forests. Have not had a chance to optimize it, but out of the box I like what I’m hearing!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@mauricecuffee7220 thank you for watching and sharing 😊👍

[@totalplonker824]

I find by having dual subs the integration being a whole lot smoother/easier, it's probably because i have two Rel 8" down-firing T5is positioned behind the couch, which are 6"-8" away from the corners and having them both connected to each individual stereo speaker binding posts (high level input) The biggest compliment I get is when a guest/friend ask.... "how come you get such a huge sound from at such a small speaker" 😁

[@osliverpool]

I definitely agree on subs, Tarun, and it's really not just about bass extension. Listening to solo cello recently, an instrument that bottoms out around 65Hz - which is easily handled by my main speakers. But with the sub, it sounds so much better in a way that's hard to describe - just more like a cello.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Alan. My experiences match yours 😊👍

[@hitechburg]

The spatial information is in the 20hz to 60hz frequency band.

[@analogkid4557]

There are harmonics in musical instruments. The note might be 65 hz but it could have a harmonic at 32 hz.

[@paulbruce3779]

Still my favourite reviewer! Love your technical explanations. Pure knowledge - no bs👍

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Paul. Very kind and much appreciated 😊👍👍

[@marcfoss7687]

Mine too! The Britsh Audiophile is going to give the US reviewers a run for their money!...:-)

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@marcfoss7687 thank you Marc. Great to have your support 😊👍👍

[@goodboid]

All the music I listen to nowadays, don't use "real" instruments anymore. I'm 47 and grew up on a steady diet of Pink Floyd and Dire Straits, but have over the last few years developed a love and appreciation for techno and other forms of electronic music. It's such a sonically exciting world, and I've setup a home studio, bought a bunch of synthesizers and an extended low end is a visceral and a very real experience/requirement for me. If you have ever heard the ladder filter from a Moog synthesizer, you'll know what I'm talking about. I mention all this here, just so you know that your audience might be a bit more diverse than people just listening to just traditional rock, etc. Love your channel and look forward to every video you put out!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you GB. Much appreciated. I enjoy electronic music as well. Daft Punk, Kraftwork and Ghost Rider are among my favourites 😊👍

[@wa2368]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 There are many composers (Hans Zimmer, John Paesano, etc) out there who combine orchestral and electronic elements in their work. You would hear this a lot in movie/game osts, but they release studio albums as well...Listening to it without subs is just missing way too much. For instance, try the 'Tenet' movie soundtrack from Ludwig Goransson.

[@hitechburg]

The frequency band from 20hz to 60hz contains the spatial information ( height, width and depth ) of the venue. I have a pair of SVS SB-16 Ultra subwoofers. When listening to pipe organ the BASS has visceral impact and produces what audiophiles call "room lock".

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for sharing 😊

[@garysmith8455]

Hello British Audiophile (Turan). Just discovered you. May I add? First off, I was very happy to hear you include PIPE ORGANS in your opening statement. I have worked for a pipeorgan company of what will be 32 years in June 2021. My system is in a dedicated space of 18x24' with hardly anything in it. ATS sound panels throughout. A pair of Martin Logan electrostatics from their Masterpiece series - Parasound separates. I recently added the Martin Logan 1600X subwoofer near MID front wall position. The Anthem room correction built in took care of a bump I had at 25 Hz, and smoothed out that curve to 17 hz. After this is done, you can now play with phase - inversion - cutoff and all the usual parameters. The ONLY reason I have this added to the system is for ACOUSTIC frequencies that are below 32hz. in orchestral and organ music. The LPF is set to 35hz. You hardly know it is on for all the power it has. Only when those low pedal notes of the 32' stops are played in the recording, do you hear the gentle 'purring'. Also, orchestral BASS DRUMS that are tuned very low, such as those with the Berlin Philharmonie and the Boston Symphony orchestra (whom our firm works for during the summer), does the subwoofer add it's part. Thanks for reading, and thanks for your video presentation (O:

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching Gary. Great to hear about your experiences 😊👍

[@wouterkolkman]

Subwoofer’s contribution to mid-frequencies can be explained: if you have a piano with strings - when you hit a low note, then you will find that the strings an octave higher will vibrate too and add to the sound. This is also why in an ensemble such as a string quartet or bass guitar in a band are very important. As always: thank you for providing lots of useful information in your video!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you WK 😊👍

[@Gamez4eveR]

Subwoofers and acoustic treatment. By far the two biggest upgrades to anyone's audio system.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching 😊

[@dsartain3404]

Thanks for this, some very well made points. I was one of those that thought why do I want a boom box apart from for movies. Since adding a sub, I notice how much space there is amongst instruments and everything has changed for the better. I really appreciate your informative videos.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you DS. Much appreciated 😊👍

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

Thanks, Tarun. Lots of great advice. Of all the speakers I have owned, the only pair I didn't feel needed any sub-woofer help were my transmission lines (with a smooth response to sub-30Hz). I only use one sub and have tried it in a wide variety of room positions. My preference is 350mm off the floor, directly between my main speakers at the same distance. Certainly not a position I have seen many others use. My son uses a self-tuning DSP crossover system which works well, provided you put the microphone accurately in the listening position during tuning (we mount it on a photographic tripod). Interestingly, the plot it shows of the applied crossover seems to always be subtractive, with notch filters at room resonance frequencies. No additional amplifier power required and a remarkably clean sound with no lack of deep bass. I have witnessed some truly dreadful subwoofer setups and am firmly of the opinion that (when it comes to resolving music in the home) no subwoofer is better than a badly set-up one. Quite recently I had a work colleague and fellow audiophile visit for the first time. I consider my subwoofer set-up to be a gentle enhancement to the system. (I once accused my son of having his sub set to "hooligan" and he countered with the claim that I have mine set to "polite".) We listened for about an hour and then I switched off the sub as a comparison. The scale of the performance did seem to diminish a little. My purist "I don't need a sub" colleague had bought himself a REL within a month of his visit...

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Great anecdote John. Thank you for sharing. I agree no sub is much better than a poorly setup one. It is nice you have two audiophiles in the family 😊👍

[@SUde-vd1qo]

Good presentation. I like to think of subs as the primer for paint 🎨...it allows the music to be a bit richer and flow a bit easier but you don’t hear or see them.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you SU. Nice analogy 😊👍

[@brianwalsh1844]

I have been toying with adding subwoofers for ages and would love an in-depth video on integration.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

That is something I should do at some point 😊

[@nathanevans6277]

Once again a great video The subwoofer crawl is indeed an excellent first step in setting up a subwoofer. The most common problems set up tend to be that the crossover frequency and level are set to high. What is required to get a seamless integration with the main speakers is getting the phase set just right. If the sub you are considering only has a 0-180° switch forget it. You will probably never get it to integrate. You should only ever buy a sub with a continously variable phase control. Getting the phase right is the most difficult aspect but has a huge impact. A subwoofer should be conspicuous by its absence not its presence.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Well said Nathan 😊👍

[@marcfoss7687]

Thanks Tarun, great balance between practical and technical explanation. I've been grappling with the "right" subwoofer(s) to buy for my small listening room for a while and have done a lot of research. This video really helped me to confirm many of my views and concerns so thank you very much. Great content, as always!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Marc. Very much appreciated 😊👍

[@peterjasz2876]

Fantastic, insightful review. As correctly pointed out; sub/main's integration is KEY -acoustically and electrically. Also correctly pointed out, successful subwoofer use/integration results in considerable gains from the main loudspeakers, namely: clarity, definition and 'image' dimensionality. Many listener's (perhaps even audiophiles) haven't experienced -and thus appreciated- what accurate, integrated low-frequency reproduction brings to the listening experience. It's quite startling how the entire music (frequency) bandwidth gains clarity. Additionally and not fully explored or eluciated (in fact not likely understood entirely) is the increidble amount of signal information below 50 cycles (Hz.) Over the past 50-years the quest for greater high frequency extension has been sought at the considerable expense of neglecting low-frequency 'performance. This oversight applies more so to amplifier manufacturers than loudspeaker ones. The bottom line: There IS a wealth of 1 Hz-50 Hz signal information (instrument sub-harmonics) as well as recording space 'cues' contained in this very low frequency range. The authentic reproduction of this most-important bandwidth is crucial in defining the finest hi-fi sound possible. pete jasz

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Very well said and articulately described. Thank you Peter 😊👍

[@cp070476]

Took me forever to get my system sounding right. Definitely better with subs, I noticed added depth to vocals.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

It is tricky but worth it 😊👍

[@jeffkalina7727]

Dr. T, I never knew low bass has a positive influence on the mids and highs. I will be looking into that, Thanks for a little book learning!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching and your support Jeff 😊👍

[@RJ_Chicago]

Tarun, I agree regarding subwoofers. After a period of denial or lack of awareness, I added a pair of REL T/9i subs to my Magnepan 1.7i speakers and it revolutionized that system. The improvements were dramatic.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences Richard 😊👍

[@ron101346]

Excellent discussion. You covered all of the issues rather than just bass extension. You also note the importance of multiple subwoofers to create evenly distributed ("fast") bass. Most audio systems can benefit from subwoofers for the reasons you have well stated. I can personally confirm the advantages with my own systems, with small speakers in a small room and larger speakers in a larger room--the improvements are very obvious in both.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you 👍

[@soulshinobi]

I would love to hear your well explained take on subwoofer setup, they're definitely underrated.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you. I will probably do that in a future episode 😊👍

[@davidbujanowski8339]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 Yes i would love to hear your take on that too! Have no subwoofer yet but really looking to add one to my system.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@davidbujanowski8339 thank you David 😊👍

[@joshuasterling2144]

Another thing that is a benefit with a sub is that you can get the entire sound represented at low volumes. Without a sub a lot of speakers dynamically don't come alive until they have 15 or 20 watts into into them

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Well said Joshua 😊

[@joshuasterling2144]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 Hey I have another track suggestion Check out Tess Henley Wonderland. Her vocals and musical style is very nice.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thanks. Will do Joshua 👍

[@mikes6844]

Gold standard in advice and reviews 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Mike. Much appreciated 😊👍

[@PrezidentHughes]

I'm surprised some ppl don't like subs. I'm not an audiophile, but I am a musician and without a sub you can't get the full feel of sound especially for bass instruments from all the families.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for sharing PH 😊👍

[@archiemacdonald553]

hi tarun .another great review .ive used subwoofers for about 20 years .there a must .might have mentiond before .i lived in canada for many years and find that they were more common in north America than in the uk .mybe not as much now .have been home 3 years now first thing i did was get myself a subwoofer..mind you had a couple of garbage subwoofers in my time .keep the good work up best Archie 😊😊😊

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Archie. Great to learn about your experiences 😊👍

[@martyjewell5683]

Excellent topic sir. For those who (whom??) feel that a room, any room, doesn't have it's own "sound" are sadly mistaken. Very good point on your part. As for bass response, rock fans might not notice missing bass below 40Hz as much as classical aficionados. Don't believe me?? Give a listen to Bach's Little Fugue. There are speaker systems that do go down to the 30Hz range. My Ohm H systems are -3dB at 32Hz. Very satisfactory for me. The satellite/sub woofer craze started here (USA) in the mid 1970's. Now it seems that most speaker designs are geared to small "bookshelf" systems. The "unobtrusive" look. A very good argument for buying vintage speakers of healthier dimensions. Ain't nothin' like a big ol' amp with big ol' speakers to move a lotta air. Don't even get me started on standing waves and room nodes. I have EPI-100 speakers (my general use speakers) that have response to 45Hz (-3dB). Not very big, but pack a wallop. Subs are necessary for use with systems having weak (or nonexistent) bass below 50Hz or so. My kitchen speakers, Boston Acoustics A-40's are tiny and response is flat to 68Hz. They do fine in my acoustically reverberant kitchen. A sub would help I'm sure, but I don't care. Swell video my friend.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Marty. I appreciate you watching and sharing your experiences 😊👍

[@martinjn2920]

In the process of upgrading most of my system due to age and poor long term storage, 20+ years in a loft is never a good thing, so one of the suggestions from the hifi dealer was have a sub woofer they work really well when set-up properly, that got a ‘never in a million years’ type response, not having one of those bits of tat in my hifi system. Yes, you’ve guessed it, I have one on loan and am loving it, nice little REL which is set up as a lazy operator, only working now again, no overpowering bass, just a little rumble every now again to let me know it’s awake.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

That is great Martin 😊

[@bounty446]

Thank you sir you definitely one of my favorites....Keep up the great work

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you. Much appreciated 😊👍

[@rich7049]

Excellent and timely for me. Would really like to see you do the sub setup video you mentioned. Thanks for putting this together.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Most welcome. Thank you for watching and you kind words of support Rich 😊👍

[@enrage6073]

Subwoofers are awesome! I have 2 DLS Flatsub Midi on each channel og my amp's preamp output. They ensure I get the whole range audible frequencies which makes a huge difference for instance on electronic music or even on a record like Lou Reed's Walk On The Wild Side, you really get that contrabass to the lowest bottom !! You can have any sorts of speakers, your subs will cover the missing lowest frequencies anyway!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for sharing 😊👍

[@robh9079]

I think classical orchestral music on the whole has most benefit for a sub in the scenario where you have reasonable extension in the first place (floorstanders). - Many Pop&Rock recordings are pumped up in the lower freqs and this mitigates a little, and can be too much with a sub at 'correct' level. - A greater amount of Bass instrumentation in P&R is brighter in tone, and the richer HF content gives the impression of bass. - Subs add to the 'non-musical' cues (hammer hits, bow scrapes) that are primarily in the acoustic realm. - The explosive orchestral bass drum with a 3ft skin needs a sub, the intense LF of double bass, contra bassoon, as well as general audio clues you get from recording in a large room also need a helping hand. - acoustic jazz double bass also benefits significantly. - 'Cons'; you do get some recordings where the addition of tube train/road works/general traffic rumble accompaniment was formerly inaudible!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching and sharing Rob 😊

[@DrGIzmoBRad]

Tarun, Here's the process I used to Integrate a custom powered subwoofer to existing satellite speakers. Given the constraint that the subwoofer was placed between the satellites about 4 inches off the floor, the following 4 step process was carried out ... 1) Each satellite speaker had a shelving filter designed to cut bass output starting at 90Hz to a -4dB level to reduce satellite's output that the subwoofer's BW would cover. 2) The subwoofer's unique LPF was designed to have an adjustable roll-off frequency starting 70Hz with a slope of -40 dB per decade, and ending with 110Hz with a slope of -20 dB per decade. The LPF was first set to 70 Hz ... 3) Subwoofer gain was adjusted up to match the SPL of the satellites ... 4) The LPF frequency/slope was then adjusted until there was no response suck-out at the sub to sat transition. 3) Gain was adjusted continually while 4) the LPF was adjusted to maintain a flat spectral response. Once the spectral response showed no sign of transitional error, the 4 step process was complete. The subwoofer phase was initially set to zero° via wiring from the amplifier to the driver, which happened to be the correct polarity - Had there been low frequency spectral anomalies that couldn't be compensated for, the wiring polarity would have been swapped.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for sharing 😊

[@bythesoundofit3350]

I think this is my favorite video of yours so far. Great topic, well explained. Look forward to a setup video. Cheers!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you buddy 😊👍👍

[@sudd3660]

for the last 20 years i had subwoofers in my systems. they are always fun but not the best and accurate option for sound quality. a few thing i learn to make things work better and easier is: get sealed speakers, both mains and subwoofer. use a tone generator found with a google search and sit in listening position and all the subwoofer adjustments like volume, phase and crossover frequency is done with ease. Make sure you get the a great sounding subwoofer, i paid more for my subwoofer compared my bookshelf mains.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Good points. Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences 😊

[@sudd3660]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 thanks for the video :) great stuff.

[@vladimirfreddie]

I've used my Rel Strata III for close to 20 years. With a few pairs of main speakers. From time to time I take it out of my system but it always come back!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Great subwoofer 😊

[@carlitomelon4610]

Thanks Tarun. Well produced video with some beautiful system photos to illustrate your explanation. I always wondered if that was a REL or newer BK sub in your room. Understandably you would not be using it to review speakers but for your own use it makes sense to achieve full range. Both my systems are 2.2 REL setups. DSPeaker Antimode 2.0 gets you (almost), flat to 20hz if you want to hear the traffic/train rumble of the recording venue;-) Agreed that it's more about scale and space!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Carlito. I am envious of your 2.2 setup. The 2nd sub would certainly help even out the bass across my room 😊👍

[@carlitomelon4610]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 well I'd love to hear that classic rel strata, tho my LRS are purported to work better with smaller driver subs;

[@kjbiz]

Still saving for my first sub to integrate it into my system. Thanks Tarun. Informative video

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you kjbiz 😊👍

[@jo05dk]

Since i dropped my home cinema setup, and switched to a set of B&W 805 Matrix, i've had my SVS 12" sub standing inactive in one corner of the livingroom. Heard it briefly with the B&Ws right when i bought them, and it sounded quite pleasant. I think i need to go try it out again, and put some effort into it.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

It is worth doing Johnny 😊

[@Birmingham_racing]

I'm not too bothered about bass when it comes to music but with movies I love it

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Cool 😎

[@humanitech]

It's funny, as many years ago I was definately in the " you only need the two main speaker camp". However like all things hifi, I got curious and found a great pair of secondhand Anthony Gallo's TRD 3 10" subs off fleabag for £150... and after a bit of playing (floor crawling) and twiddling around with controls - to find the sweet spots, I became instsntly converted..as they extended and firmed up the bass responses and created even more atmospheric space and dimensionality. Infact I would go so far to say adding subs and changing over to a tube preamp were the two biggest, best and most surprising sonic upgrades...so totally agree with you. I also noticed for some reason that using the Subs high level inputs sounded better than direct rca input. Not sure why but seemed to integrate better with my floor standers.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I find the same thing with the high level as well. I suspect you get a closer match with the speakers and subs receiving the same signal from the amplifier. Even though the active sub has it’s own amp. Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences 😊👍

[@MrJfortun]

I'm impressed with your channel! I recently cleared out enough space so I could place a pair of REL 5/tx. The difference is amazing- they really let my Maggies do what they do best.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you. That is great 👍

[@brown-eyedman4040]

Snooker? But seriously I agree with the need for low frequency drivers in 2-channel stereo. I agree that it opens up the soundstage, particularly depth. Thanks Tarun.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I haven’t played Snooker in years. Always preferred it to Pool though 😊

[@yyams]

I'm 100% on board with subs... It's funny you posted this today, as I've just given a friend who needs to set up a system of his own, a try of my setup... LS50's, with one 10" sub between the speakers, and one 15" off to the side. (here's supposed to be two 15''s, going, but one is currently very broken - I can't wait to get it back in action) through unitsjust tunedMy friend was rather surprised at the sound and didn't know where the subs were until I pointed them out to him. Fun stuff - he'd never heard anything like it before and thought I had rear surround speakers for a while... Nope - just the KEFs soundstage and a couple subs! Low bass fan for life.

[@yyams]

Wow, something really went wrong with that comment! Ah well, I suppose you can translate it to something useful!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I got the jist. Sounds like those subs are doing wonders. Thanks for watching Mr J 😊👍

[@yyams]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 Yes, basically an experience with wonderful generic 12" and some studio monitors made me realise bass was very real, music can sound amazing with the right playback mechanisms,, and the rest of my life since I've been searching for bass that clean and low.... I've not foind it, but on my journey I'm close enough that stereo is an all encompassing joyful experience with sounds all over the place! Please excuse my half awake ramblings!... Thanks again Mr T. :D

[@nolive2nd180]

I recently added an Onkyo sub (i live in Japan they are cheap here) to my JBL L880 Floorspeaker at first mainly to improve movies experience But i am surprising myself more everyday as i am now listening to music with the sub ON as well proving it being a valuable addition Love your videos by the way, very informative and sooooo british lol)

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you my friend. I appreciate you watching 😊👍

[@robertwoods1380]

Spot On

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you 😊👍

[@mikeyb6639]

On the other end of the scale when you add super tweeters it seems to enhance bass and mids. Love your reviews.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you buddy. Much appreciated 😊👍

[@cnccnc1738]

So elegant. As always.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Peter 😊👍

[@fletchermunson6225]

A pair REL T5i subs really do help my bookshelves perform at their best. Depending on our musical choices, you may or may not think it's worth the expenditure. I am envious of the newer subs that are adjustable with a remote or an iPhone app.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching and sharing Lee 😊👍

[@fletchermunson6225]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 No one likes my opinions like I do.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I like them 😉👍

[@alm5693]

T5/i's are on sale right now and it looks like they're being closed out. I'm thinking about picking up a pair for $1100 before they disappear. My listening room is never going to be large enough to demand something brawnier for exclusively 2-channel listening.

[@fletchermunson6225]

@@alm5693 They are being replaced with a new model costing, I think about $899. I'd say grab them. As usual I got in just in time to pay the higher price.

[@josexavierjr.5633]

Good presentation as usual, Tarun. Your sub is a gorgeous piece of furniture! I've been using two 8" AR subs in my home theater system since 2000, and they still sound great. Like you said, the settings on the sub itself are important.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Jose 😊👍

[@michaelmonaghan8026]

Hi Tarun, I see you have the Willsenton valve amp... Enjoy... I've à pair of monoblocs... Not that make... 805As 40 watts per channel... Great sound... Keep up the good work sir...

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Michael. My wife is smitten with that amp 😊👍

[@michaelmonaghan8026]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 Enjoy Tarun... And once again keep up the great videos sir 👍👍👏

[@charlesclifton1006]

I once heard a Rel Sub which was referred to (by the sales person) as a bass management system. At first listen I could not detect the Rel at all. All I heard some amazingly well presented music ... then the sub was turned off leaving the speakers at exactly the same listening level. The difference was night and day. I had no idea that a sub could contribute that much more fidelity to what was already a pretty good set of speakers.. That was years ago and now I know better. From then to until this video I have never heard anyone else refer to a sub as a base management system. Spot on Tarun!!!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Charles 😊👍

[@Grommet2007]

Interestingly enough, if you do all of your listening from one particular location in the room, then the best place for the subwoofer is as close to that location as possible. In the "nearfield" the room has a lot less impact on the subwoofer's output compared to say when the subwoofer is located near the speakers. So experiment with placing the subwoofer right next to the chair or the couch :-). While the subwoofer crawl is a decent way to find a good location for a subwoofer, a PC and a mike and R.E.W. will help you find it a lot quicker. Locate the subwoofer in the listening position and move the MIKE around the room, and to test each location run a 10~200 Hz sine sweep. Locate the subwoofer where the response shows the least ripple. And note this might not be at ground level either. For one friend that I helped, the best location turned out to be halfway up one of the walls in his studio. Finally, for "nearfield" listening, you don't really need a big subwoofer, or more than one. For my "desk" system, the subwoofer is an 8" driver in a DIY tapered transmission line tuned to around 32 Hz. Works great!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Brian. REW and a Umik-1 are definitely worthwhile. It is a bit of a rabbit hole but I find a mixture between the objectivist and subjectivist approach works best 😊

[@hifitommy]

one problem is that some listeners think they need to totally be aware of the sub and will adjust the balance to be anything but. after properly adjusting a sub and then shutting off the mains leaving just the sub playing usually astonishes the listener as to how little the sub SEEMS to be contributing. one must realize that a sub contributes to the completion of the sonic waveforms, especially those of the room that the music was recorded in. making the music sound natural and complete leads to more total enjoyment of any recordings. and one doesn't need to adjust for every record you put on. set it and try to forget about its presence. every now and again I try to take stock of the sound of my system and only occasionally adjust or nudge the system in small ways in greatly separated time intervals. adding a judiciously implemented super-tweeter can also be a great adjunct to satisfaction. the transient response of the entire sound spectrum will improve due to more defined leading transient edges. just as with a sub, the phase, attenuation level and crossover point should be adjusted with care and patience.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thx for sharing 😊

[@benjaminqilafku5714]

Thanks a lot about the information about the bass traps. Very useful.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Benjamin 😊👍

[@Steveh817]

One of my “wants” is to get a couple REL s812’s but my other half thinks I’m an idiot for putting more money into my current system. She’s content with her little obnoxious Amazon satellite things placed about the house. My old Klipsch La Scala’s are rated to reach in the low 40’s but when I run a tone generator I can hear a tone in the mid to low 30’s. About 33Hz and lower it just vibrates the room. I’m an old guy so I’m thinking I can’t hear below 33Hz but the real question is, why is anything happening below the rated 40+Hz range if their response is listed as such? Maybe my wife is right! I did replace the crossovers with ALK extreme slope units. Enjoy your channel by the way.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you DD. I suspect that with room gain your La Scala’s are still playing at a reduced volume in the mid 30s even if it starts to roll off before then. It is then exciting some kind of resonance in your room. Or there is a problem with the tone generator 😉

[@san01yt]

Great video as always Tarun!! Very important topic you chose. Subwoofer (s) benefit 2 channel listening greatly.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Sandeep. Hopefully, this video may peak the interest of some audiophiles who haven’t not tried subs as yet 😊👍

[@san01yt]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 yes, absolutely. Subwoofer set up is an art though. I hope you will talk on the subject sometime in future. It will help many many new audiophiles. I am absolutely certain that your style of explaining the topic with enough information and mixing it up with right amount of technical stuff will help them enormously.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@san01yt thanks Sandeep. I may include it in a subwoofer review 😊👍

[@Firebottleman]

Hello Tarun, thanks for the informative video. You nailed it once again! Oh, I see a Willsenton R8 in the future.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank Andre. Well spotted 😊👍

[@Firebottleman]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 Cheers from Canada.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

My biggest pet pee is I can get phase to match very good but texture and tone is so hard to match ! I think this is what gets us Audiophiles would love to have subs with my Triangle 🔺️ 40-th comete my Ref with matching stands is a must better grounding sort of speak but no sub so far has been a good match ' Wish triangle would build a sub out of the same paper driver !! But I will agree a sub does give a fuller range of sound thanks Tarun I know old video catching up you do a great Job !!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you buddy 👍

[@tailwagga7701]

Thank you. Have just got my first subwfr. for use in 2-channel set-up with standmounts. It does improve the whole presentation. My only slight issue is finding the optimum tuning to handle different genres of music, given it's not practical to get up to fiddle with the controls all the time - they are inaccessible. I guess because it's still new to me, I am finding recording/genres now sound wildly different because of the added dimension.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

It takes time to dial it in but you will get there 😊

[@Mikexception]

Most people do not realioze that below some 100 Hz it is not game of volume but game of phases. We may get perfect low range delivered by each channel separately but it may be often null level whan both are delivering the same frequency at one time but one of channels wave is flipped . It may be easy due to shape of room. Second problem is that audiophiles worry about controll of low bass in lowtoner . That bass is created in three ways - direct by speaker, secondary by speaker box and next by room space. In reality two last do not controll air waves at all because are resonant. Its like carying for precision streaming of water and finaly pure it free on the wind They should get used to it. By using one subwoofer we need to make at first summary of both channels using crossovers and for frequencies which are responsible for 3D impression or exciding size of speaker's base t will probably kill that effects. I am keen for spacious and wide reproduction and I decided not to care for range below 40 Hz because it is out of controll and doesn't make me significant difference. In such case I only worry about what goes through wall to my neighbours. I compare my relatively small widerange spaeakers to impression of famous in Europe church organ in my city and I couldn't find reason to go for more.

[@kevincheong1516]

Thanks for sharing... I hope little by little, audiophiles can be more informed and educated with Acoustics Science. You did a good job debunking myths... I am looking forward for more of such debunking series... Next, maybe on speaker cables and amps... but I suspect if you go down the route of objectivity, there will be a lot of negative sentiments... This is why I respect KZbin content such as Audioholics, Audio Science Review, Joe n Tell, etc...

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Kevin. If you will allow me I would just add a word of caution. My belief is that measurements and science are at the basis of our understanding of how this stuff works. That doesn’t mean that it explains everything. People who believe that are missing how science fundamentally evolves. It is a modelling mechanism used to determine causality by a process of inductive and deductive reasoning. The determinations are only valid within the framework of the model. Just look at wave/particle duality and you see how quickly we hit the limits of our understanding. This is something that I try to instil in my students when they are learning Physics. The words “truth” and “facts” smack of a certain dogmatic faith in the results that is a counter culture to genuine scientific progress. Sorry, you got me on one of my soap boxes. I will end with a quote from one of my favourite physicists, Richard Feynman, “Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”

[@Steveh817]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 I’m glad you brought up Feynman. What a character he was, and brilliant. I really enjoyed the book “Genius”. I should read the books he has written though. Any suggestions? Nothing that’ll go way over my level of understanding though.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@Steveh817 they can be pretty heavy going but the Feynman lectures on Physics are probably a good place to start. Also, I love the way Michio Kaku explains stuff and Brian Cox has a way of making things very accessible 😊👍

[@kevincheong1516]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 didn't expect a reply but really appreciate your view on this topic. While I do agree with your fundamental view on how science has evolved, there is no denying that there are great amount of objectivity studies done in the fields of audio science and even in psychoacoustics. This really leaves the realm of subjectivity very little room for debate; yet audiophiles here and many ignore this fundamental fact and keep drumming up their mantra of "trusting your ears". They placed more faith in subjectivity instead of the other way round. Just to add on to the problem, manufacturers and marketing executives took advantage of buyers' ignorance and start selling cables and equipment at unreasonable price while marketing them with exotic claims. Take a pair of Black Rhodium Charlestown DCT++ speakers cable... god, a pair of these would set you back 4700 pounds... the marketing material claims that it will tackle unwanted vibration and produce clean sound; yet if you look at the specs, there isn't any published numbers in terms of resistance, capacitance, etc, which we know for a fact such parameters will affect sound. I am in the opinion, if they claim it will reduce vibration, then they need to prove it either in measurements or empirically by means of an blind AB test. Never have I seen any industry paddle so much falsehood as the audio industry. Are audiophiles really that foolish to ignore the established sciences led by pioneers such as Dr Floyd Toole and the tons of white paper written and published by the Audio Eng Society? Anyway, I am not an influencer... it is up to more youtube content makers such as yourself to educate their viewers. There will always be subjectivity - no denying but let's hope objectivity takes a more center stage... www.audioaffair.co.uk/black-rhodium-charleston-dct-cs-speaker-cable

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@kevincheong1516 I think we are pretty much on the same page Kevin. What can be explained objectively should be explained objectively. The Hifi industry and in particular the cable manufacturers have not showered themselves in glory when it comes to transparency and weeding out snake oil merchants. I just like to leave the door open to science not necessarily being able to explain everything. Certainly when it comes to how our brain interprets information. Thank you for indulging me in this discussion. I appreciate all the support you show me 😊👍

[@jked7463]

Excellent video. Another reason for a sub is that the location of speakers for best imaging is rarely the same place for best bass response. Also the larger cone and longer excursion of sub drivers will create a more realistic transfer the low frequency energy than smaller main speaker drivers. One of the most critical things to integrate a sub is setting the time alignment or at least phase. If a sub does not have a continuous 0 - 180 phase adjustment, get another sub, or if you don't mind digital, add a DSP with delay and phase. Unfortunately, setting those settings takes some understanding and equipment. But equipment is much less expensive today. In most cases for two subs, it will work best if the subs are not symmetrical in the room, especially if the room is not symmetrical. Finally, great place for subs is actually mid height on the front wall spaced 1/4 to 1/3 wall width apart. Since most room walls are shorter than the low frequencies trying to be reproduced, this creates a wavefront from that wall back into the room. But with this arrangement time alignment/phase is critical. And the SAR (spousal approval rating) couldn't be lower so it is rarely obtainable.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you J Ked. I appreciate you watching and taking the time to share this 😊👍

[@jked7463]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 Of course. I always make time to watch your videos. Not full of dribble (american saying?). They are well worth the time.

[@jked7463]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 if you can find the time, try taking two subs , one on either side of you fire place half way up the wall. I think you will be surprised at the wave front that will create. It will look terrible but should sound great. I say should because we don't get to see the rest of your room. Also remember that the low frequency cut off is determined not just by the speakers but an even greater effect by the lowest allowable standing wave determined by room size. Sorry if I sound preachy. Don't mean to as I am sure you know that. It is easy for me to be an arm chair quarterback (another american term). I can't imagine how much time you put trying to figure out what to say, how much to put in and what to take out. That's you you do what you do and I just comment.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@jked7463 I would love to that. Right in the null created by the length of the room. If I get hold of another sub, I may just try it to whilst the wife is out 😂

[@jked7463]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 exactly!

[@seymourclearly]

Thanks for another interesting and informative video, pitched at the right level with no spurious information

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Trevor 😊👍

[@labalo5]

No matter what you put in the system the subs will always be the all star. One just needs to be aware of room modes. Lower frequencies smooth out the entire freq spectrum and help at the listening position. Get two subs over one.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you 😊

[@Thiago_TS_BR]

Very good advice.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you 😊

[@tonykindred520]

Speaking of low bass, check this out Tarun: "Notes With Attachments" by Pino Palladino and Blake Mills. You'll be glad you did.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Will do. Thanks Tony 😊👍

[@tonykindred520]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 I was hoping to convert you and perhaps others to an appreciation of contemporary jazz. I love it, but clearly other folks do not. I won't bother you with it again.

[@IsleOfFeldspar]

Oddly enough I don’t really enjoy music outside of about 50-15K. I can’t explain why. I don’t like alot of low bass in my music even if it’s present in the recording. There’s the occasional exemption of course. Seal’s ‘Crazy’ being one. I had a 15” guitar speaker on open baffle with an 8” fullrange. The 15” had a FAR of 70hz. It was perfect. I like an early rolloff around there.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@IsleOfFeldspar thx for sharing 🙂

[@hugobloemers4425]

Good video which reminds me I have to address that problem. So to me this video is also a mixed blessing.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Hugo. We al, have to deal with these bass problems 😉👍

[@L.A-h5s]

In a nutshell. If you don't have seperate Preamp and PowerAmp it is better to avoid mini DSP / Exteanal dsp that let you equalize the main speakers with Subwoofer. So those with Integrated amp can not use mini DSP / External dsp and thetefore better avoid Subwoofer. Otherwise it is too complicated and the only way would have to be choosing a Subwoofer with Speakers line in and out ( 8 speaker lines) in order to create this equilibrium by making the main speakers use the same DSP of the Subwoofer. One thing to mention is that DSP wether seperate DSP or the Sub DSP when influences the signal tgat comes to the main speakers might not be the way to go for audiophiles since you are adding extra component between the main speakers and your HiFi system. Soo. best buy a good set of speakers that go as liw as 40 Hz and enjoy their dynamics. No need for this extra low bass. Tge bass of the speakers is good enough. This will be a three way speakers not two way. Like sonus faber sonetto III or V or PS audio speakers . Or Like more echonomical Dali oberon 5 or something like that....

[@pekkatervala8476]

I'm happy with quite small 6,5" active sub, >30 Hz. Mainly for DVD and TV. Even my small passive monitors go to -3 dB @45 Hz, and I use active pair for most music without sub. Easy to switch with those and third option, large 3 way 10" speakers for turntable and CD.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Cool 😎

[@jdekong3945]

hi Tarun, good vid, again I find myself peering over your shoulder to see what's on the rack :o) looking forward to hear about them

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Some interesting stuff coming up 😉👍

[@michaelmonaghan8026]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 ti's a willsenton valve amp..... Some good reviews on it.. Enjoy Tarun, I've à couple of valve monoblocs 805As...only 40 watts... But brilliant.... Keep up the good work.. I've got a pair of home made speakers... Happy enough with them, could send you a photo if that's poss...

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@michaelmonaghan8026 thanks Michael. I am currently running listening tests on the Willsenton R8. I bet those 300B monos are something 😊👍

[@ac81017]

Excellent presentation 👏. I'm struggling to find a pair if subs with dsp for under £4000. It's a shame very few companies do subs with dsp. At the moment I've got my eyes on a friends Velodyne DD15PLUS, my other choice is a pair of Rel s/510s.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you William. That would be useful. I suppose it is because most people will want to DSP up to the transition frequency of the room that you don’t see it more often 😊👍

[@Gamez4eveR]

literally just get 2 good subs for under a grand and a minidsp box boom you got yourself high end bass REL is marketing, Monolith, HSU, SVS, Rhytmik is performance.

[@robvandendolder3157]

As usual, very helpful, thanks Tarun👍

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Rob 😊👍

[@AlexMcDermott]

Id love to see a video with more about subwoofer setup!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Alex 😊

[@AlexMcDermott]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 love your channel by the way. I’ve learnt so much! Really interesting content.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@AlexMcDermott thank you Alex. I appreciate you watching 😊👍

[@dalanwanbdiska6542]

Immrunning 200 watt sony receiver with speakersA setup on 2 surround sound speakers. Speakers B is set up to a powered sub. The sub is then again wired to run 2 more bookshelve speakers for mid bass. And its all connected to a technics EQ. I turn down all the settings so i can turn up the volume to a higher lever and still sounding clear. Its a small beginner stereo and its set up in a room with tv and WII game. I got the real stereo out in the living room.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

That is great Dalan. Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences 😊

[@MrAndzzeys]

Liked that one!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Andzejs 😊👍

[@tonyjedioftheforest1364]

Do to additional furniture in my room I have had to use smaller speakers but I remember buying a Wharfdale subwoofer to use with a pair of Diamonds so I am going to dig it out the loft where it’s been for more than 10 years and see if I can capture the base that I used to get with my AR925 floor standing speakers.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Please let me know how you get on 😉

[@zizendorf]

No! I won't do it! The lowest note on a string bass is 41.2 Hz. I absolutely am opposed to a sub. Why? Because I looked, found, and purchased speakers that complete the mission the way they are supposed to! It seems ludicrous to me to seek out a good set of speakers that right out of the gate have deficiencies. My Tannoy tower speakers are designed to fulfill that mission and their frequency response is more than adequate for the lowest notes of both classical and rock music recordings. I loved you "daft" digression and always enjoy your videos.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for sharing 😊

[@cheapaudioman]

Tarun. You should move to Texas.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I would certainly enjoy that the warmer weather 😊👍

[@rjy8960]

I've got a REL Storm and I keep the output pretty low - Mine has been in my system for over 20 years. The main reason why I keep it is that it just seems to make the midrange just snap into place. I don't understand why either. I wouldn't be without one now. Not from a wobbly bass perspective - it's mainly to enhance the mids. Not a positional thing - more a tonal quality that seems to be enhanced by having a slight amount of lower bass.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences 😊

[@callmebigpapa]

I have JBL 4345 copies and am still considering adding sub possible long excursion 18's better to have too much bass than not enough

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Cool 😎

[@damienlahoz]

i tried using my sub with ht and two channel. no joy. my sub was calibrated for the big rumble of movies, to stop my condo from shaking i had to tune it down. fine for movies but was thin sounding for music. so i let the goldenears give me what they can give me in two channel and im happy with it.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

As long as it work for you, your system and room - that is all that matters 😊

[@thepickyaudiophile]

I can recommend audioholics new series on bass (on KZbin), if you really want to dig into this stuff. You can discard the parts that do not apply to 2 channel purist setup. Ton of info on placement and on how/why multiple subs work together acoustically.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Cool 😎

[@MrButuz]

My speaks go down to 20 anyway so yes I am one of the few that don't need sub(s). Most peeps with smaller speakers have no idea what's there down below 40hz - they're like totally missing out on.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching and sharing 😊

[@AjaySharma-tt6so]

Lovely review, even with the snooker comment.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Ajay 😊👍

[@mrg1911]

Great topic! And you are completely correct in everything you say here. However , I’m extremely old school and for the music I listen to I will NEVER use a Sub.... I don’t use surround sound; instead have enjoyed 2 channel music for well over 50 years. I’ve always felt that if I need a bigger sound, I run bigger speakers with enough power of course. These days, smaller is WAY better for me, so I use a McIntosh MHA150 - 50 watt per channel headphone amp into Harbeth P3ESR-XD’s. I prefer to minimize my component count, yet have high quality. At no time have I wanted a Sub, yet good Subs set correctly sound great. How’s that for a paradox! Thanks....(subscribed)

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Mrg, I appreciate your watching and the sub (sorry, no pun intended). Thank you for sharing your experiences 😊👍

[@drs-Rigo-Reus]

Put sub in room, walk around to hear where sound is best, that is the sweet spot for the sub.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

The subwoofer crawl 😉

[@kirlu50]

Food for thought - definately! I do have a subwoofer, an old sealed 10" Artcoustic. But I have been thinking it could probably be upgraded - it doesn't do very much for my system.

[@michaelwright1602]

My pair of SVS SB3000 subs aren't going anywhere. They complete the 2 channel system and pair nicely with the KLH Model 5's. I also have the subs hooked into the television, using the 3.5 mm audio out jack, out to an RCA switch with a 50hz frequency blocker in line to both subs. Sound bar handles the voice incredibly well. The subs are not going anywhere.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for sharing 👍

[@richardherbert3519]

Yet another very interesting video.It has given me room for thought about subs.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Richard. That was it’s purpose 😊👍

[@michaelmurray8742]

I’ve just added a KEF KC62 to boost my LS50 Metas and it’s amazing!

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

I have asked KEF to send me one but not heard back 😉

[@michaelmurray8742]

@@abritishaudiophile7314 I know they are in very short supply at the moment.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

@@michaelmurray8742 I will try again 😉

[@K-Effect]

What do you listen to banjo music? The nice thing about a subwoofer is you can turn it down or even off

[@amitgombi1620]

Awesome Tarun Bhai! Pls do share video for review for the spkrs behind you in this review video..

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Amit. They are the Fyne Audio F700s. Review coming soon 😊👍

[@madds6678]

Very interesting tarun & well explained but unfortunately I was distracted by that valve amp behind you teasing me looking forward to that review or are you indeed teasing me 😀

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

It was intentional. Busted 😂👍

[@stanmyers5994]

Very good

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you Stan 😊👍

[@haroldbriones7041]

I love both with or w/o subs specially wth those subs that dont have too much reverbs..what I mean is quick and tighter. But also, there is something in me that says I’m cheating with the capability of my main speakers if I use subs and Im more satisfied with just with them. I dont know why I think like that. But I really like also big beautiful sound with sub’s help specially when I listen to other’s setup but not when Im alone with mine..No matter how small my other speakers.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences Harold 😊

[@joekhachoyan4534]

depends on the speakers , in case one is using bookshelves it helps a lot

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Hi Joe, they can help with floorstanders too 😉

[@perseus2324]

I like my music with a subwoofer since I found out about subwoofers in car audio when I was in my 20’s.

[@abritishaudiophile7314]

Cool 😎