High-Explosive Ammo has an Overmatch Mechanic | World of Tanks Hidden Mechanics

[@lncoming]

One little correction from this: Caliban is a 152.4mm gun, not a 160 like I thought (cause I didn't check tanksGG, like an idiot). The overmatch happens up to 50.8mm, not 53mm.

[@laszlomiskei9138]

You are pretty much the only WoT content creator I can watch.

[@glowsinthedark235]

This really helps understanding why HE seems to be so unreliable, because everyone knows the confusion surrounding it has been around for a while.

[@Zugzwang__XXX]

I always knew the Gonsalo did a little too much consistent HE damage when playing it lol, now I know why.

[@moltensh4dow506]

did you know that AP and APCR shells still aren't guaranteed to pen even if they overmatch? this can be seen comparing very low pen guns with high caliber, like the german 105mm howitzer seen at tiers 4-5. Compare a PZ 4 H to itself with 105mm firing AP, and the 30mm plates still can non-pen at a high enough angle. Just like how a 150mm gun shooting AP at plates 74-50mm gets double normalization (double-caliber rule), firing at plates 49mm and lower have triple normalization (three-caliber rule/overmatch), normally this means this is a garanteed pen since its such a thin plate having its effective angle reduced so much, but, some guns (like 105mm L/28) have such low pen that its still not enough. However that gun against 25mm plates is almost a guaranteed pen and 20mm plates is a guaranteed pen, because there is also a four caliber rule for quadruple normalization, and a five caliber rule for quintuple normalization, and so on. This is why the Scorpion (tier 7 american TD) has 0 effective angle. Against itself, it’s nearly a 90 caliber rule.

[@KptKosmit91]

yes, you can still non-pen with overmatch, you can't have the shell ricochet off of the armor though

[@l0x4gpt]

the AP overmatch mechanic does not absoluely guarantee auto pen since it simply only means a much bigger amount of normalization than how much the double overmatch guarantees.

[@moltensh4dow506]

@@l0x4gpt that’s… what i said

[@santenz8460]

Whole lot of yap. But your wrong. If caliper is over 3x bigger it's cannot bounce.

[@KptKosmit91]

@@santenz8460 bounce = nonpen in tanksgg terms. so it's not the same thing as ricochet

[@isaburgertank]

Alternate title: Gonsalo Supremacy

[@agliopasta]

This explains a lot of bs that happens, really good video man, earned urself a sub

[@YssIr-mz3zz]

Dude, thanks for all these videos, its so interesting to see and learn about secret mechanics and this stuff, keep it up, I really hope youll get more views and subs

[@pal1531]

wow actually the most interesting wot vid ive watched in a long time, thanks so much for this, insanely underrated vid :)

[@darkninja___]

I’ve tested it before and yeah spall liner seems to do absolutely or at least close to absolutely nothing for arty splash, only direct hits.

[@onemorebox148]

you definitely need to make a video about this to spread the awareness lol

[@darkninja___]

@@onemorebox148 alright I’ll put it on the list. No promises it will be soon though, we’ll see.

[@unknown_player9498]

me splashing the part above the tracks of bz176 for 400dmg in my caliban, i also had same theory on HE having some sort of overmatch

[@BraveTone]

I have also tried with pz ausf iv he to CDT in the left turret side and take 400+ damage

[@natcuber]

Instead of pressing the W key repeatedly, you can press R once to go forwards at a low and consistent speed.

[@zhongyiqian5176]

7:59 best comedy clip I’ve seen in a while

[@oeliku3033]

Its a fix for HE-tanks, that would otherwise do 25% to almost every tank they shoot at. This way you do low damage to heavy armor and get the satisfaction of doing bigger damage to less armored tanks. Great Video! The Community needs people like you desperately.

[@sestican4666]

Wait so i am at 10:45 now, does that mean theoretically the Gonsalo is the most profitable premium tank in the game, because its HE shells are calculated as if the are the Calibans in terms of overmatching?

[@lncoming]

@@sestican4666 If you can keep finding tanks that you overmatch, in theory, yes.

[@shortcitysushi]

This explains sooo much with my weird gonsalo hesh damage rolls thank you, now im gonna abuse it :)

[@copeland7225]

Truly a shocker that WG literally didn’t care at all when making the Gonsalo.

[@lexa4ru]

So that means we have a Gonsalo which is totally wrong in the stats it haves, but if wg changes it to be as they wanted it to be, they would nerf it, so they can't change it because they're too afraid of their costumers Nice video btw, really interesting

[@YssIr-mz3zz]

As this isnt known, they may make a patch saying ''fixed Gonsalo's gun stats/files'' or something like that and almost no one would notice it I guess

[@animedreamnetwork245]

no that explains a lot since i use spall liner on my tanks from time to time and wonder why people were hitting as if i had nothing but seems with the crew update that spall liner is working more often.

[@iI_Principe]

actually you can still bounce an ap round even if you overmatch. 3x overmatch only means you cannot _ricochet_ i.e the shell will always _try_ to penetrate. thanks to 2x overmatch however your normalization will be way more and you will almost certainly pen anyways. but if you take a low pen high caliber ap shell like in the kv-2, you can still easily bounce off of very thin plates. you can see for yourself on tanksgg

[@kizzzit5724]

Thanks !! Good Info :)

[@desdeskok1914]

just wtf xD, also this is a very neat video with showcase and all, it will improve my he plays greatly ! (maybe i'll bring more than 3 he now)

[@BU5HBA5H_]

why did you only get 404 likes?? the video's good, and your content is great (im gald i came across you)

[@lncoming]

There will be an update video for this at some point, because the rabbit hole goes even deeper

[@BU5HBA5H_]

@@lncoming I don't doubt it lol

[@stefannilsson2406]

I have a short on my channel from where I get 1213 damage roll in the Death Star during the snowballs arcade cabinet. HE shells were "made more effective". So I must have got close to max possible non pen damage.

[@DrewUniverse]

Good video, thanks!

[@imperialscout5566]

You know it's fucked when you actually want artillery to hit the side of your maus so they do less damage and full stun instead of splash and do more damage and full stun

[@darkninja___]

Also, I have been doing some tests on t8 prem credit coefficients. Would your friend have access to data where I could find those values?

[@lncoming]

@@darkninja___ I will ask. I'm sure it exists somewhere as a file (since your credits have to get multiplied by SOMETHING), I wouldn't know where though.

[@darkninja___]

@@lncoming If it helps I do have some preliminary data. Also I would like to know the exact formula for credit earnings, I think that would be really useful to know. What I have found so far is that almost all prems have the same coefficient, with the exception of like 6 (I prob checked 1/2 of all prems so might be missing a few). Those 6 earn between 3-6.6% more credits base (if my assumption is correct that all credits earned are multiplied by that multiplier. Interestingly the BZ 176 is one of those 6 tanks and earns 5% extra credits than the rest XD.

[@brandonhindmarsh4353]

Excellent!! HE hijinx for me!!!

[@dirtbag_dustin]

So, im one of the 15 who have a gonsalo, where are the other 14

[@megamagner618]

Here.

[@tenkowal]

Interesting. I wonder how spall liner interacts with frontline artylike personal reserves - I love to play KV-5 as a capper in this mode, with spall liner equipped. I am mostly shrugging off arty strikes but now you made me wonder whether the spall liner plays a role in that at all, or shall I replace it with grousers for more speed

[@benderrodriguez2362]

Edit: now that WG has added Reliable Placement, can you redo this test with it? In typical WG fashion, the flavor text in game does not explain how the skill interacts with HE overmatches. It merely states reduced HE damage. NGL this has me shook a bit. I was always under the impression that HE couldn't overmatch, but at the same time, I never understood how post-nerf arta was able to splash my Maus for 450 every single shot. I also didn't understand why the damage values were always in the 350-500 range, seemingly unrelated to where the shell hit me (most arta having 800-1000 stun HE alpha). It made no sense that some tanks seemed immune to arta while others got mogged as if nothing had changed, but now that I know all those tanks getting dunked on are infamous for weak tops/decks/sides and that arta can overmatch without penetrating, it all makes sense. I think WG needs to remove this HE overmatch mechanic ASAP. Arty HE changes were billed as damage scaling relative to armor, but a tank with less effective armor is more arta resistant as long as the plates are thick enough to avoid overmatch, thus defeating the purpose of the arta changes.

[@novaprospekt990]

That is not new. It was always the way that blocked HE did half damage. than subtracted the armor thickness plus minus 25% Rng was the damage. Bevor the rework it was the thinest armor part considered. After the HE rework it was the armor considered where the shell hit it which was in most cases a huge nerf.

[@GewelReal]

Since HE was turned into yet another AP with some splash it made it this much less fun to use

[@nazarshvets7501]

I feel like I've witnessed groundbraking mechanic for HE-based vehicles, but missed the conclusions. Can we get a scenarios where is better to shot for overmatch instead of trying to pen? Like should I shot 60 degrees and over into Type 5 Heavy sides, instead of his cupola when I'm on FV4005?

[@lncoming]

There's really never a time to load HE instead of AP, if you know you can overmatch a tank. The AP will always do more damage than the HE. Why I show the Gonsalo is because it's the exception, where the HESH is listed as a higher caliber than the AP.

[@nazarshvets7501]

@@lncoming yea, but only if you got that oportunity for intuition switch to AP, which is not that common for long reload HE-based vehicles

[@nacho71ar]

It's not an overmatch. Spalling is an effect where, due to partial or near penetration, the armor material in the area where the vehicle was hit is sent flying. Carry a spall liner.

[@lncoming]

I explain why spall liner does and doesn't work. An overmatch has the armor mitigate 0 damage. It's an overmatch.

[@simonhere444]

Do you guys think there are other tanks like Gonsalo with the "copied" stats?

[@Diceman82]

I already knew that a non-pen was 50% reduction and another -armor thickness(according to wiki, but god knows when that was last updated), but didn't know HE had an overmatch mechanic. Spall liner being about as useful as tits on a fish is about par for WG; its much more noticeable how useless it is when being tagged by sky aids as compared to the whole 1-3 tanks still using any amount of HE.

[@kilteddwarf]

So this explanes the oi hitting my oi for 603 with he… but not my oi hitting a light for 0 twice

[@sandoodemortis4383]

holy, fking shit, it explains sooo much...

[@gamingwithluke822]

@incoming What exactly does the he has to have to overmatch? Isnt real clear on my end ist it a certain pen -> armor thickness or caliber -> armor thickness or both. Just trying to understand how to find out if my shell will overmatch or not bc you didn't really mention a specific way for the player to notice in the video.

[@lncoming]

Caliber must be at least 1mm more than 3x the armor thickness.

[@gamingwithluke822]

So it's the same for he as for the normal overmatch mechanic without any special shit​@@lncoming

[@gamingwithluke822]

And I am really confused because you say at 1:13 that HE does half the DMG when it doesn't pen and when it overmatches armor doesn't mitigate DMG. But in the shown clip it says -128 blocked by armor. So armor did mitigate DMG? ​@@lncoming

[@lncoming]

@@gamingwithluke822 In that clip, it doesn't overmatch. That clip was mostly to show post-mortem camera, which outright tells us that HE shell damage gets cut in half on nonpens. Damage does get blocked by armor if there's no overmatch involved.

[@gamingwithluke822]

@@lncoming so if there is an overmatch happening the post mortem will tell me that there has no DMG been mitigated through armor and there will be just a fat zero or is there any guaranteed way of knowing it worked other than the DMG rolls being within -+25% of x0.5 of the alpha

[@quiceypoo]

10:48 wow I wonder who that T57 Heavy could possibly be

[@Bucket_Boy101]

Where do I find the file that has tank details in it?

[@guvyygvuhh298]

Czech heavies have 52mm turret roof armor, go ham

[@catalinike]

There are even streamers that have no ideea what rhey play and how the game works but they are recomanding yall what is what😂

[@chris_hisss]

Gonzalo info still true?

[@lncoming]

Yes, and was just announced to be in the Waffentrager boxes

[@chris_hisss]

@@lncoming Yeah that is why it came up and I referenced this video again. Gonaalo seems dangerous. There are quite a few I would like to have in those boxes for sure.

[@lednik_]

Noooo now wg knows

[@lncoming]

It's a premium, we're fine :D

[@Wild1BillS]

EXCEPT if you are in arty then these rounds never pen. I dropped a 155mm arty shell on the top of a Foch where the armor is only 20 mm and all it did was knock a track off Zero damage on something that should have Easily penned and blown the tank up.