High LDL-C with No Plaques? New LMHR Study with Feldman & Norwitz

[@dianetodd9719]

I'm a 77 lady and I quit almost all doctors for about a year, because I am doing all my research on being healthy!!! Started on keto and now working on cutting out ( 1 by 1 veggies, to see how healthy I can be, cut off all but 2 meds, ( no heart meds, no other junk pills or food!!! I'm in the gym 3 days a week, plus I just started kick boxing, so my days may be numbered but I'm doing what I need to be happy!!! Some time I fall, but I get right back up and keep trying, thanks for all you great young people for giving me hope!!!

[@joniatoms9798]

Awesome!

[@lindad100]

I’m 76 and have been thinking of a gym. Which one did you join?.

[@profilingmanipulation]

So inspiring, tysm ❤ keep going ❤

[@Renegade666-y1j]

Stay strong and continue to your goal of 100% carnivore because actually 60 is considered middle age,believe it or not by just eating 100% carnivore diet. And it's 75 with some hacks . Those are grounding, taking a nutracutical called stem cell enhanced by a company called cerule, blue blocker glasses at dusk and resistant excercise. Those add another 30 year's. Hello. Lol. These are facts.

[@dakotalynn4773]

I'll give my numbers: 66 year old female, very active. BMI 19, Total cholesterol 422, HDL 113, Triglyceride 68, LDL 292, CRP 0.7, Fasting glucose 89. I hope this helps figure out LMHR. I'm thrilled with my health. I've been Keto with intermittent fasting for 8 years and I feel like I'm 25 years old!

[@NuclearCarnivore]

Those numbers are mind-boggling. Nevertheless, I deem them optimal

[@MarloesVanReek]

What is lmhr?

[@joamick]

Lean mass hyper responder

[@luisagoetz9998]

Thank’s Dakota and 👏👏👏. Do you now your Apoe ? I’m Apoe4 and y am lost … , want to do keto but I’m not sure of that good for me 🙄

[@nitro200flyer3]

I am posting an update. Total cholesterol 313, HDL C 52, LDL C 235 TC/HDL RATIO 6.0 H ? 3 years carnivore 64 years old 5 ft 8 160 lb fasting glucose 70 My doctor through the VA is totally freaking out wants me on statins. He has agreed to give me a arterial calcification score test. Would love some input from anybody in the health field. Update! I just received my calcification score it was 49. Not the best for sure but I'm down from 180 when I was first tested almost 9 years ago so I think I'm going in the right direction.

[@marsack7]

I like my cholesterol. I take D3 and K2 and cut carbs like crazy. Cardiologist doesnt agree but I won't take meds so she has no choice. Am interested in what this info states. I refuse to go high carb/low fat no matter the facts like ive been told all my life. Thank you Dr Berry.

[@JasonBuckman]

Your doctor works for you. You're the boss.

[@alchemy1]

@@JasonBuckman Just when I thought I was the only person who thought like that. I love it when I am wrong. 🙂

[@kangaroojack7678]

Hey so take nanokanase cleans your arteries up to 95 percent and keep up the low carb is a great idea

[@jakubchrobry3701]

Why only the extremes? Your only choice is low carb or high carb? Maybe I get it. You just want to eat yummie things? Either bacon or candy bars? Things like broccoli are a no go?

[@JasonBuckman]

@@kangaroojack7678 Do you mean nattokinase?

[@loganbrodsky6973]

I’m a 26 year old male who started carnivore on June of last year. I just got my blood work done a few days ago. My hdl was 106, my triglycerides 59, and my ldl went up all the way to 419. This would make me a lmhr. I am really glad this study exists and this is definitely something I’m going to follow!

[@belle2154]

I am the same I just got my level yesterday month 3 on carnivore and I am at 399. First sentence from the clinic was about getting on a statin asap. I am so glad to be able to hear DR Berry.

[@marthaashworth8374]

Still can't find a doctor that doesn't push statins, but I still refuse. I've lived the PHD for 6 years and I'm 71. No meds ❤

[@daveb8449]

Sadly, doctors are brainwashed.

[@davidjudd951]

I've seen the direct correlation between Statins and Dementia first hand. The latest was how quickly my Father in-law spiraled down right after he started Statins. Good luck on your journey, and good health to you.

[@SuperEddie0228]

Stop going to medicine doctors. That's why they called them medical doctors because they study medicine and how to use medicine, drugs to control symptoms, and not heal. Also thinks of the consequences of ingesting drugs, prescriptions

[@lynnbennett9007]

69yo LMHR here. BMI 21.3, LDL 223 HDL 83, Trigs 43 normal BP. CCTA clean. CAC Zero. Grain-free low carb for 9 years, keto for 5 years. Carnivore for 18 months. I didn't start out lean. I had BMI of 31.3 at age 60 with HBP, ED, Barrett's esophagus, eczema, diverticulosis, acne. I was on lisinopril, crestor, esomeprazol. Now no prescriptions. Normal esophagus, no eczema, no acne. My testosterone increased 40% to 673 when I stopped the statin. No more ED.

[@hikari8858]

Awesome! So happy for you. Eating the proper human diet heals!

[@gobblestheturkey1413]

Are you claiming you reversed Barrets Esophagus?

[@wmn8344]

Did your diverticulosis just reverse also ? Thanks.

[@christinecurtis6752]

My sister reversed her Barret's on a low carb diet. She is 62!@@gobblestheturkey1413

[@MeMe-dw1sm]

Good man

[@ah3710]

Thank you Dave Feldman, I was one of the participants of the lean mass hyperresponder study at the Linquist Institute in Harbor UCLA.

[@JennifertxCarnivore]

I am a Lean Mass Hyper Responder on the carnivore diet (lion version) and I refuse to take cholesterol meds! I look forward to when this study is done so I can show docs the study! Dave and Nick need to get onto Joe Rogan’s Channel too to reach even more people on what is happening with this study! Have a great day Dr. Berry! ☺️

[@jeovanniperez3949]

Hilarious how you all got Dave’s studies wrong it even clearly states that a low carb diet can cause LDL to rise to and not ones did it say it’s healthy for you did it 😂 even Dave’s own studies say he hopes his theory is correct as in he doesn’t even know if it’s actual facts he has lol

[@jeovanniperez3949]

Dave’s own study even admitting that introducing carbs lowers LDL cholesterol but I thought you all believe carbs causes inflammation 😂

[@danielcohen24]

@@jeovanniperez3949 but why would you want to lower your LDL? Plenty of studies showing the higher your LDL the longer you live.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@danielcohen24 that’s not what it shows at all you are badly misrepresenting those studies plus there are studies showing that study is flawed as well

[@timothyblazer1749]

​@@jeovanniperez3949incorrect. The longevity study had very clear results, and has not been refuted empirically. Association studies CANNOT refute empirical studies.

[@mymomsoldlandcruiser7220]

I think it's unconscionable that my Dr. won't order a CAC exam for me as I requested. I have been taking charge of my health since my eyes were open by Dr. Shawn Baker and the rest of you. I've been following your advice with awesome results for a while. My Dr. is holding me hostage by not ordering the CAC test as I requested unless I agree to take a statin for my LDL. This is total extortion at the expense of my health and I will not bend to it. I am currently searching for a new doctor.

[@cornstar1253]

Get the stain , take the test, throw out the statin

[@Cat-ht7ki]

Get a new doctor!

[@TheCinder24]

You can just go get one and pay out of pocket

[@AKMcF]

Threaten to report him to the ethics committee and give him something to think about whilst you find a new doctor :D

[@stanrobertson]

If your doctor believed in Statins, they would have ordered the CAC to prove that you need a statin.

[@briguy4238]

Dave Feldman is my hero. He is literally standing the medical community on it's collective ear, mapping and defining a startling medical phenomenon, and all they can do is whine and complain that he is an outsider.

[@timothyblazer1749]

T. Kuhn was right. ONLY outsiders can challenge established paradigms and foment change.

[@joseabboud-2607]

Of course because pharmas and most doctors are gonna go broke.@@timothyblazer1749

[@stephenduplantier2151]

After the wheel finally turns and the outsiders who ushered in the scientific revolution have their day, there should be some restorative justice and even vindictiveness allowed. The arrogance of those who tried to stop understanding and practice of a proper human diet should experience something more stinging than simply fading away in the shadows and dropping their KZbin channels. The one especially I am remembering is Dean Ornish-the Dr No Fat who hated every lipid he ever met. Where is he hiding out after contributing to decades of ill-health for millions?

[@Sharon-me1bu]

Thanks Dr. Berry! My doctor was amazed at my numbers: 79 yrs old, no meds, 500 ldl 0 calcium scale. He consulted with his cardiologist and they thought I was a hyper responder. On ketovore for 1 yr, lost 18 lbs snd 5’2”. I have had high cholesterol all my life but never above 200. My doctor says “keep doing what your doing and see you next year” and said he is really this. Great doctor, listens and never has pushed statins.

[@lurdesnascimento7193]

Mais LDL 500 tá altíssimo.

[@davidgrimes4726]

So remarkable that it basically took a large personal sacrifice from an individual (Dave Feldman) to start to actually get some useful science on just how acausal LDL-C actually is for developing plaque in metabolically healthy people! A world of thanks to him and Nick! 🙏

[@maureengreen8240]

YEAH YOU ALL!

[@billdublewhopper3064]

Wrong. Not all lmhr are metabolically healthy! They excluded lmhr with Coronary artery disease

[@joniatoms9798]

Joni RN MSN here…Thank you Dr. Berry. I’m really so tired of being manipulated by big Pharma, big sugar, big ag, just the greed of the powers that be in every respect. Your efforts are giving people new lives. I’m sharing this information daily.

[@Margaret2494]

I was metabolically healthy for several years on a low carb diet but the carnivore diet pushed my lipids into LMHR territory. I have always had a normal BMI; on carnivore now it’s 19.6. I’ve been following this topic very closely! The health benefits I am experiencing make me very opposed to changing my woe or going on statins. I am so thankful to Dave and everyone who has helped to make this research happen.

[@khampasonginthisane8266]

I am 64 years old, 104lb, 157”height, no high blood pressure, no blood sugar, no heart problems, active person, ride bicycle uphill like 30 years old, medicine free never have health problems, I don’t eat sugar, no process food, no alcohol, no fried food, 25% carbs, eating healthy meats proteins, eating green vegetables, two meals per day, when I went to check my blood work, my doctor was alarmed because I had high LDL cholesterol and doctors wanted me to take statins, this is bothering me because I never took any medicine, I don’t think this is sound right, what can I do?

[@kostar500]

@@khampasonginthisane8266how much do you trust your doctor? That is the main question.

[@hikari8858]

@@khampasonginthisane8266 Tell your doctor exactly what you wrote here, "no high blood pressure, no blood sugar, no heart problems, active person, ride bicycle uphill like 30 years old, medicine free never have health problems." So what's the problem? If he/she insists, ask him to run a CAC scan or a coronary angiogram to actually see what the state of your arteries' is. You're the boss, you decide what you will do.

[@btudrus]

@@kostar500 "how much do you trust your doctor? " It's not about the doctors. It's about the propaganda they are brainwashed with. Most doctors want to help patients in the first place....

[@georgemoonman2830]

statins only reduce your risk of heart disease related outcome by less than 1% absolute risk, whilst the side effects can cause you to eat more and excercise less, so to me its a clear choice - your current lifestyle is so much better of a risk profile that I wouldn't (and don't) worry about LDL most of the "science" around LDL is based on the "average" american eating the "standard american diet" of junk food, so if you don't eat that diet then it doesn't apply to you (us) I see blood pressure, weight and overall fitness level as a much better indicator of heart health (even HDL:triglyceride ratio is widely accepted as being a better indicator of outcome than LDL)

[@countschad]

My father did a stint in the Arctic circle as a family doctor/ER doctor. He said that he saw the highest lipoprotein results that he had ever seen. BUT, no one there had CVD. Their diets were almost exclusively alcohol, whale meat/bubber, fish, and carribou.

[@Cat-ht7ki]

My heroes all on one screen! Hats off to these life-changing pioneers!

[@CarnivoreLineage]

Oh look, rational individuals got together and were able to conducted a well done, no bs, quality study. Brought to you by meat and eggs 🧠🥩

[@MyCleverHandle]

👍👏😁

[@jaymehatfield9540]

Best comment here.

[@Helliconia54]

looks like a typical vegan response.NOTHING wrong with meat and eggs plus more research has been conducted showing cholesterol prevents heart disease, in older people.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

And lots of smoked salmon and Roquefort cheese, TYVM ;)

[@paulasamec8715]

😂👍👍

[@camperjack2620]

A year of keto, 6 weeks of carnivore, i got the LMHR profile and my PA is checking my thyroid levels, see the cholesterol, and hits the ceiling. Low TG, Hi HDL, Really high LDL. Blood pressure 110/70 Senior citizen. She was very polite and said they have been studying this for years and people with high ldl get plaques, heart attack or stroke. She did mention I could go for an assessment, now I think I will, just to clear the air. She said reading all the tests she did, you are a very healthy person except for that LDL.

[@dr.julia-heyakarcic8862]

You are disrupters! I love the crowd-funding and love that you present results directly to the people. Should always be this way!

[@ReeceS6419]

My husband had a decades long addiction to carbs and higher LDL results. His doctor put him on statins, which ruined his quality of life. He tried every brand. He ended up taking himself off. Eventually he had a CAC test and his score was 500. It scared us and he tried a newer statin again. Bad side effects! Then he got a 5.7 on his a1c and he decided to try keto. He's losing amazing amounts of weight and is feeling better. Will be interested to see his future labs! I know the money making drug companies will do their best to squash those who hurt their bottom line,by promoting anything other than taking their drugs!

[@kathynassa9974]

Bingo ^^^^^^

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

It's really cute to question Dave's ethics, but not question governmental bodies or huge pharmaceutical companies with clear conflicts of interest...

[@tb54321]

I was listening to Christmas songs on the radio last night and there was a public announcement for the Covid jab and at the end it said that the PSA was “sponsored” by Pfizer. I thought about how sneakily they used the term “sponsored” instead of just putting a big blinking flashing sign that said “Pfizer is reaping all the profits from us telling you to get this shot.” That’s not a sponsor - That’s a monopoly with greedy ties to government authoritarianism. These pharma companies are not humanitarians sponsoring something good - they are greedy opportunists who lie and deceive people to make a profit. Some of the people behind these companies want nothing more than to “reduce the surplus population” so that there is nothing more than a 1% elite and a slave class to serve them. They want us lower level people to survive on plants scraps and bugs while the elite eat steak and live lavishly. But maybe I’m just a bitter skeptic at heart. If you want to know who is lying, just look at who is buying up all the farm land and the ocean front properties while the rest of us live in 15 minutes cities and are being told to eat soy and bugs. Look at who travels in private jets while we aren’t allowed to even cook on a gas stove or use wood fireplaces. These are the people telling us to take these shots, swallow these pills and eat those bugs and soy. Why make these rules just for us? The hypocrisy is real. Don’t buy into the lies.

[@danielcohen24]

Exactly!

[@JoaninFlorida]

How dare he think for himself!

[@clintcarter]

Nope. That would make too much sense.

[@Jokerz_Gal]

My LDL is 750, my Dr’s fall off their chairs every time they see it. Calcium score is 0 so I refused statins. Been Carnivore 1 year. LDL was 350 when I was Keto in 2019.

[@carnigoth]

based

[@gobblestheturkey1413]

You realize a CAC only detects advanced plaques that have begun to calcify right? It has no value to detect new or developing disease/plaques.

[@cashby1425]

My stats and experience is almost identical.

[@danielcohen24]

Awesome You are a healthy mofo 😁

[@Mrm1985100]

It takes decades to develop calcified plaque, as shown on a CAC test. This doesn't mean you're not at risk for heart disease.

[@chrisminifie219]

This is real science. These people are presenting data gathered in an objective and balanced way. They are being very cautious about its interpretation. However, it is making me feel more comfortable with my decision not to take a statin, but to change my diet to ketovore.

[@scotthamlin9718]

Great work gentlemen. Looking forward to it being peer reviewed and actually published. Hope it's not published in an obscure place where nobody will see it. This is one more nail in the coffin in my opinion, of all the lies we are being told about what we should be and shouldn't be eating. Also, LMHR here and glad to have been one of the folks to volunteer myself for this important research.

[@stellasternchen]

What lies? What nails in the coffin? This study is trying to asses a long term risk with a duration of 1 year. That does not work. All that the study can do is to show if there is plaque growth short term. We already know that elevated LDL-C short term is not significant in terms of cardiovascular risk. That's why experts are not concerned over low carb diets for shord periods of time, but over the long term effects, which this study does not adress. The study design is questionable, because there is no control group. Do you know any high quality study that does that? Instead data from a total different study is used for comparison. And there are hughe possibilities to choose the data that most fits. It would not be the first time for the head researcher Budoff to design the methods in such a way to get the outcome he wants. He is an author in the trials designed to bring the medication vazkepa on the market. This medication should lower cardiovascular risk by lowering triglycerides and unforunally also increasing LDL-C a bit. After reviewing those trials, in my country (Germany) this medication has been withdrawn from the market. As a placebo they used mineral oil - which decreased the absorbtion of medications, increasing cardiovascular risk in the control group, making it seem as if the medication was effective when it was not. The data was not reproducable using a different placebo. Unbelivable.... Just to make money...

[@ylcalif3681]

@stellasternchen Review the data presented a bit more closely. Many of the LMHR column have been on Keto for several years. With that said, the length of time on Keto comparison would be another nice comparative study . . . how many long-term LMHRs have 0 plaque.

[@stellasternchen]

⁠@@ylcalif3681 It does not matter how many time they were on keto before for this study. The diet has not been assessed in that time and neither has the rest of relevant data in that time like LDL-C, time they cycled out of keto, how strict they were etc…. A study can only asses what happens during the duration. The before and after is not assessed but speculation. You can do a follow up. But not with this study though, since we are missing a control group. I do not understand why the study was planned this way. Those flaws should have been clear from the beginning. Let‘s say the hypothesis is true. LMHR do not have higher cardiovascular risk due to high LDL-C unlike people with familial hypercholesterolemia. Can this study design clearly prove that? And what many people unfortunately read out of it that LDL-C does not matter at all in all people. An other version I herd is that it is fine to have high LDL-C on low carb if you have a normal BMI, since everybody like that is a LMHR. Does that prove that? An other thing I‘ve heard from people is that this study single handedly proves the consensus from 2017 wrong that LDL causes arteriosclerosis, that includes RCT‘s and genetic Mendelian randomisation studies, meta analyses and more. A study that wants to challenge current consensus needs to be methodologically sound to do so. I doubt it will be taken seriously otherwise. I will not be the only one seeing the flaws. I know from the low carb realm on KZbin how the methods of studies the diet gurus don‘t like are taken apart to find the tiniest flaw in order to not accept them, including on this channel. The methods show how strong the evidence is we get from a study. Major flaws there make what you can read out of the study very limited. In this study we can only interpret how much plaque progression LMHR probably have in one year compared to a specific group of people in a different study - not the general population, not people with FH in general. (No control group) Your study proposal for a long term study I would accept with a appropriate control group. For example same age, BMI and a balanced diet. That would be way better then this study as far as the methods go. Something you actually can draw conclusions from. With zero plaque you mean in the coronaries? Because everyone has some plaque somewhere.

[@arnoldfrackenmeyer8157]

I have lived in places where death rates from heart disease runs very low, and a place where death rates run high. What a contrast! This has been an adventure in observations, witnessing the difference in lifestyles.

[@garywestonrandall7755]

This is amazing!!! I am a 68 yo 5' 10", 155 lbs male who has been keto for just 8 weeks. And I just got my lab results back this morning that has my LDL significantly higher. I went from 134, 4 months ago to 210 yesterday I do remember watching a few of your videos Dr. Berry on the possibility of my cholesterol going up on a keto lifestyle but I was so stressed out this morning that my wife had to talk me down by saying 'well you're not in the red zone yet'... So, how synchronistic is your video to me today, this afternoon! Perfect timing! Thank you sir!!!

[@davefiano4172]

Same. I only look at HDL & triglycerides.

[@danielcohen24]

don't give in to the BS the drug companies are trying to push.

[@theShamrockShepherdWagon]

@@davefiano4172 Even years ago they knew it was triglycerides that were the concern. I think they only use the high LDL as an excuse to push statins. I won't take them.

[@ferdymarquez1914]

Over the past 10 months, I’ve lost 35 lbs by adopting a keto/carnivore diet, cutting out sugar and reducing carbs. I began with a 12-hour intermittent fasting routine for 3 months, followed by 4 months of OMAD (One Meal a Day), and I’ve maintained this approach. Additionally, I engage in a 15-minute intensive exercise routine. I have heart attack (stent placement ) 23 years ago when I was 31 years old. Thanks for those smart MD LIKE Dr Kent and others.

[@christinecurtis6752]

So, so grateful for this work! Thank you gentlemen! i am a 65 year old female LMHR (9 years low carb). My CAC score is 0. Great to have the emperical data to reassure myself and my physician.

[@julieadams1654]

Hi. 58yof proud to be participating in this study. I go back in January for my cac ct and anxious to see the results. Keto since 2017 and cardioligist pcp insisted on statins even after stress test carotid us were normal. My cac ct last year showed 1 calcium lesion and Dr Budoff put in writing this was average for my age group. Not high risk like the drs were telling me. Cant wait for my comparison scan results in January. Thank you for allowing me to participate in this study.😊😊

[@henryancheta6668]

I not always like to hear long, extenous research info, especially medical research. However, I am glad that these type of prudent, scientific ground discussion is made public available to the likes of me. Excellent discussion!

[@dougzirkle5951]

I am very grateful for this information. Having just finished seeing my doctor to discuss my latest blood work, my doctor wants to write a statin script due to both my total cholesterol & LDL scores being too high. I’ve graphed my lipid results since 2015. I was told I was type 2 in 2019, changed to low-carb/keto way of living. You can clearly see both my total cholesterol & LDL go up strikingly, while my HDL, VDL, and triglycerides go down. I told my doctor of what Dr. Berry mentioned just recently of his estimate of approximately 1/3 of keto participants find these results same as I am. No, I won’t be taking a statin. Thanks to you guys!

[@selenataylor6959]

You want your HDL high, not low. Also, check your TG to HDL ratio.

[@debjordan4399]

I'm a 73 lady and have had high cholesterol for over 20 years. Just got a CAC score done and plaque is zero. I take no meds, consume 99% carnivore for 4 years. I have taken D3 for almost 20 years and started K2MK7 about 2 years ago.

[@MissSadara]

I had to come find this video again..... I just got harassed by my Dr's nurse about my LDL.... I'm lean, I'm metobolicly healthy, my calcium scan was ZERO and yet they are demanding I be on medication. I really wish my city had a doctor who truly supported the keto/carnivore diet.

[@judifeldman2108]

Dr. Barry, I love your way of communication to regular people. You make everything simple to understand and I thank you. Your amazing to listen to and I support you.

[@leandrobecker123]

I am cardiologist and Inam interested inn his issue. Quite interesting!

[@takamex]

Thank you, we need more like you.

[@nevillegoddard4966]

@@leandrobecker123 So what do you think of the 'system' that that trained you with lies & the inverse of the facts? How much influence by big pharma have you seen in your career?

[@moseslomeli7589]

@@takamex what does your name mean?

[@2bbossfree]

What state are you in? I’d like to come to you.

[@leandrobecker123]

​@@2bbossfree I live in Brazil

[@yvonnemarie57]

Will watch later. But….with me, after I started low carbohydrate and high fat combined with exercise, my LDL went way up and my HDL was great. From what I understand, LDL AND HDL are not actually cholesterol, but boats that carry cholesterol. If you are eating right and exercising, the high LDL indicates that your body is burning fat. As long as I know I am healthy and exercising, I don’t care if my total cholesterol is high. I wish more people, including a lot of doctors, would get educated on this matter. For me….most of the time all I need to do is just LOOK at some one and tell if they are living a healthy life or not. Also…..look in their shopping cart at the grocery store or in their pantry and refrigerator at their house. Some people don’t want to buy grass fed / organic animal products but load up on junk food. It baffles me 😮.

[@angelsunawares....1877]

Don’t even have to go to expensive grass fed organic meats… Once ketosis starts up… The bodys strengthened immune system fights any “stuff“ that’s in the meat , like chicken and pork hotdogs… Sodium nitrate or nitrates sloth off, & out of your body system

[@jakubchrobry3701]

Yeah, I can tell you didn't watch the video. They (at least Nick) were very clear that high-LDL individuals (i.e. lean mass hyper-responders) need to be studied for health outcomes, specifically evidence of calcified or non-calcified plaque. Why would doctors educate people on this, if this is not known? You are just gambling because you want to eat things you like. Not too bright. Actually, maybe Ken Berry doesn't care about evidence. Nick had to warn him a few times that more evidence is needed.

[@EricaNernie]

Yep, when you look at their shopping cart, and it's full of processed food in packets, frozen french fries, sodas....I just cry inwardly at what they are doing to themselves.

[@btudrus]

"From what I understand, LDL AND HDL are not actually cholesterol, but boats that carry cholesterol." That's not accurate. LDL and HDL *particles* are not cholesterol. But what is being measured is cholesterol content of these particles. (Well, LDL-C is not always being measured, it is calculated in some countries....)

[@yvonnemarie57]

@@btudrus yes. You are correct. I worded it wrong. Ty. I will fix it. I just took it out.

[@ketolomics]

37:30 My biggest concern all along has been the question of which statistical tests the methodologist would choose for analysis. Such a relief to see median/IQRs reported and Wilcoxon Rank Sum test results. Excellent. Far, far too many trials make inappropriate use of parametric tests. Nice work, everyone!

[@brianadler67]

Thank you so much for giving Dave and Nick this broader audience (even if it is mostly singing to the choir). It's exciting to be following this important research (which has a huge impact on my own personal lifestyle choices) possibly many years before it filters down into widespread mainstream understanding and acceptance!

[@glenbelbeck4129]

Thanks for this presentation! My wife and I have done Keto since Sep. 2018. She had a statin for 8 years before Keto, and LDL-C still almost twice as high as "normal". She went back on a statin for 3 months since her GP freaked out. LDL-C still 2 times as high as acceptable after retest. Went off statins due to side effects. Now LDL -C is now about 400 mg/dL! But she is told she is a "superwoman" for her age! Except she should be dead due to her high LDL! Huh? Keep on pushing the boundaries of science!

[@michaelainsworth6849]

I did not realize the “own your labs” website was part of the citizen science foundation, when I ordered my inexpensive labs, compared to the price the lab charged, where I had the blood drawn. Will keep using the site for all my blood work to help fund the foundation. Thanks for all your hard work.

[@samantharicherson9780]

Oh I just missed the live! Iam like waiting on the edge of my seat can't wait to find out what the research has shown!!

[@D.GravesArchaeologyBooks]

Been on Carnevore for 2 years and feeling great. But had a heart attack 10 years ago and 4 stents and on highest dose of statins now with increasing side affects (pre-diabetic, pains, memory etc). I am lean and stopped all statins a couple months ago and my LDL went from 250 to 485. This news on LMHR is eye opening that I am definitely LMHR given my numbers and knowing that the risk of increased plaque is not likely directly connected to the high LDL. I am now focused on managing my pre-diabetic condition now that I am off the statins and improved with carnevore. Keep the research coming. Thanks

[@paulalaird272]

I have the same stats as LMHRs but I’m not as lean as I would like to be. High TC, high LDL, high HDL and low TG. Zero CAC; 57 y/o female at 189 lbs $ 5’9” tall. Would like to be 170 but difficult to move the scale. Been keto and now ketovore since 2018. Also I had my LDL particle size blood work done thru Own Your Labs and the report results were stellar and all the way down on the low CVD risk level! I’m winning! My NP still says, I guess you still don’t want to take a statin, right? I say, you’re right! 😊

[@kimgraham8571]

Nope. I sure don’t. So keep your rx

[@f.allenrisler5303]

5 years ago I failed my blood test for "HIGH" Glucose, AIC, Albumin, AST, ALT, Cholesterol , and worse of all Triglycerides record high of 1449! I was prescribed Gemfibrozil for the Triglycerides, opted out of the statin for Cholesterol due to muscle aches and made slow progress at improving my numbers. 12 months ago I was labeled a Type 2 Diabetic so I got serious with a "heart healthy" low fat diet, ate oatmeal and cheerios daily and rode my exercise bike 5 times per week. 6 months later I had lost 5 pounds and still failed all the same tests. Then I found your videos on KZbin and followed your advice. I rarely rode the exercise bike or had any carbs for breakfast or lunch. I have a normal dinner. I rarely have any sugar, sweets or alcohol. I lost 20 pounds in 6 months. My labs show 3 test out of 5 now down to the normal range for the first time in 5 years. My Triglycerides, 68! My AIC 5.6! Albumin 4.8. But my Cholesterol went up from 171 to 209. My LDL went from 103 to 140. My AST went up from 22 to 56.

[@elinope4745]

Here's my hypothesis. There is a conflict of interest between personal health and public health. Public health has an interest in you not living forever, public health doesn't want you having lots of healthy kids. The public benefits when retired people die. The public benefits when it doesn't have a lot of old people who aren't profitable. So, when I listen to public health advice, I think about the public's health, and that type of advice probably wants me profitable or dead. It's almost like there is some type of system in place to create class divides or something.

[@arnoldfrackenmeyer8157]

You are not the only one to make this observation.

[@PiujuqInuitArt]

In Canada there's money to be made by having you and me sick for a long time then placed on Pallitive care in our homes then moved to nursing homes were the patient dies in 4 years. It is almost ad if it were planned. I worker in the system for decades. Got my knuckles wrapped many times for advocating for measures that would lead to healthy aging. Optimal health. The system is evil and few dare speak up unless they can risk losing their income career and reputation. Sometimes their lives.

[@nevillegoddard4966]

@@elinope4745 Seems like an accurate hypothesis to me! How shameful huh? Those public health bastards!

[@Lasse3]

It goes deeper. Satan wants you sick and miserable, to deplete you, so you're an easy target to lead astray.

[@Denise-t2n]

You are so right and I get so tired of fighting with doctors they are determined to keep me sick I am 65

[@KetoGalAnn]

Such good content Dr. Berry!! Thanks for this! 65 and eat ketovore. My total cholesterol was 691 last time tested! Triglyceride to HDL ratio LESS than 1.5, however. LMHR here, and never been healthier!

[@marionmoore665]

Well done sounds like me, and I've been a smoker since 11yrs old. 🫣 I have tried to give it up but, didn't. Not on statins, but take puffers for my COPD.

[@stevepiercy7369]

What was your LDL? My wife’s been on carnivore for 1 month and her LDL is 230 HDL 58 and TRI 230. Total cholesterol is 314. She’s and her OB are 10:18 panicking. Recommend low dose statins

[@critter4004]

Triglycerides 230??? That should be MUCH LOWER on Carnivore ​@@stevepiercy7369

[@Maam-xl4gu]

@@stevepiercy7369 Curious, is your wife taking any medications? My husband's results are the same. He's very active btw. My only concern at this point is the triglyceride score.

[@jeannedigennaro6484]

I saw Shawn Baker’s discussion about this study. I found your discussion more understandable. Thanks!

[@Mar.Lop.]

15:48 yes Dave. Yes, Dave, I am a web developer, I live in Spain, I don't speak English. Still, I feel like you have helped me a lot, everyone involved Dr. Tro, Soto, Nick, you. Thank you, thank for doing this, thank you Dr Berry To give visibility to this issue. I have already helped and guided another girl who is also LMHR and she was as lost and as distressed as I was. I feel very happy to know what happens with my body and being able to make decisions about my health. It is what we deserve, it is a human right to know your body and not let others decide for you.

[@AssyrianGirl-cd9vj]

No matter how compelling this study turns out to be, the response from the 'experts' will be crickets.

[@countrydwell]

Excellent presentation. Analysis presented overall of this study with in depth explanations of presented graphs and charts so that the average Human can comprehend👏👏👏 What a privilege to be exposed to minds of this calibre. I just want more😊

[@spillledcarryout]

What is so ground breaking is the crowdfunding aspect. That really is finally opening things up… open up the truth!

[@sofieandlily]

Excellent presentation!

[@ambarnes1722]

Thank you for bringing this subject up again. Thoughtful insight within the study and other observations are appreciated. Keep us updated!!!!!

[@markoneil5279]

Low fat high carb has had disastrous results. Anyone that does not acknowledge the obesity and T2D epidemic brought on by the processed food diet needs to answer the basic question: Liar or stupid?

[@jimjackofall1510]

Very interesting study!! Not surprised by the results because I believe the outside in theory and that cholesterol isn’t sticky or causal but rather the glucose (toxic at higher levels ) is not meant to be our primary fuel source and is causal. Too much glycated LDL recycled in white blood cells causes them to get stuck in vasa vasorum initiating the arterial blockage. MY humble opinion Thank you all for what you’re doing

[@BrainOverBingeCoachJulie]

So happy to have this study, as a LMHR it gives me such relief and gratitude!

[@zezesempe]

I just found out that have a big probability to be a LMHR. My doctor told be to increse the carbs to 100g during the next 3 months and then do a blood test. If I'm really a LMHR my LDL that is 270 should go down and confirm that I am really a LMHR. It makes really happy this studies have been made because I would to go back to my low card sometimes keto diet for the benefits that I gain from it. No gegivietis, no inflamation, high energy. I m 44 years old and I feel like I m 25 years old. I do not want do lose that and I want even to improve. Must especificly my brain function to be improved. By the way, I was having issues with short term memory and that is already better. Even my eyesite is improving.

[@orhanyuce2864]

If u eat less anything , u get tons of energy!!!

[@rowandowland1391]

I appreciated how Feldman and Norwitz highlighted the need for caution in reaching conclusions from their research and not weaponising it. This added to their credibility. I can't imagine big Pharma and the manufacturers of statins will be thrilled with their findings. It will be fascinating to see where this research heads. I hope future research will focus on small dense LDL not just LDL...

[@ccmusic2249]

Absolutely love this. Great work, all. Im glad theres some genuine studioes being done on the cholesterol subject.

[@hortensemason4073]

I love yalls' presentations and information. I admire all of you, your intelligence, your ethical questioning and investigations. You all are my stars, my heroes. Always fascinating presentations and lovely personalities. Thanks you all so much. Nick, congratulations on your IBS results with keto diet.

[@dragonOTL]

I have been ketovore for the last year and keto for three years before that. Recently I’ve added in some carbs to experiment over Christmas. O.M.G I forgot what it was like to fart and realised I haven’t needed to fart in years, can’t wait to go back to carnivore!

[@maximumlifeacademy]

LDL of 452 10% body fat lean and mean 54 year old male my GP called me up after blood work in a panic saying “ I could have a stoke or HA at any moment “ that was 3 years ago still at 452 ldl.

[@sharonrussell1516]

Every time I restart Keto, my total cholesterol goes high, above 32, and my LDL cholesterol right behind it, over 223. My HDL is good 84, and my Triglycerides are 71 so my HDLC/CHOL ratio is 3.9. My Insulin level was 5 and A1C was 5.4. I do not have high BP, or Diabetes. I do know my cholesterol came down to the low 200's after being on Keto for a year, (2019) but I'm wondering if I need to be concerned about my higher than "normal" cholesterol. There is not a Keto doctor in my area of the PNW so I don't know who to ask about this issue. 🤔 Also, I am not lean, I still have about 20lbs to lose. 😊 So I don't fall under the LMHR banner.

[@InfinitEternaLovEmmanuel]

This is what real science, academics and research looks like! God bless you all for your desire to uncover truth and gain knowledge! 🧠

[@LisaMaghrak]

Awesome awesome video!! Can you please add the website and study links to the description? 😊 Thanks for everything!!!

[@juliecmyname4438]

Thank you to all three of you for all you do to educate us on health that we do not get from our GM doctor. Also to the entire team that are making the sacrifices needed to make this study happen.

[@markoneil5279]

Thanks to Dave Feldman!

[@AnneMB955]

Perfect timing for me. Just today my new doc was so worried about my high LDL. She wants to put me on a statin. No way José. She needs to see this study to update her knowledge. Weight loss and zero carbs, 6 months Carnivore.

[@ketolomics]

38:26 the area under the curve (i.e., the sum of plaque scores) for the Miami group is roughly 33% greater than for the Keto group. Wow. Now, remind yourself that the Keto group has those wild LDL-C levels and elevated HDL but is otherwise quite similar across all of the other biometrics. How fascinating is that? As Dave emphasized, this difference was not statistically significant. That doesn't take away from the fact that the high LDL group "should" have had the larger amount of plaque - but didn't.

[@danjensen9425]

67 keto for about a year now a half. They put me on statins and my heart started beating hard and intermittently at random moments of the day or night. Went off statins and that stoped. Months later put me on an acceptably low dose of statins and heart started doing the same thing. Went off them permanently. They did the car scan and the nurse said nothing showed a risk super healthy arteries. Been watching you for my ketogenic lifestyle journey. My wife is carnivore she hates vegetables all of them. Perfect for us. I fired my NP at the VA go back to see a new one in a few weeks. Will get the number for the scan and hopefully she will work with me . Thank you. I wonder if this information will get into the training of large language models like ChatGPT, probably not.

[@brett4756]

Looking at the "screenshot-able" slide at the 52 min mark you can see from the Keto graph on the left that there is no correlation between high LDL and the presence of plaque, and looking at the Miami graph on the right you can see that there is plaque even when the LDL is relatively low!

[@sarahbresson4826]

You guys are awesome. I love the study and thank you for all the work.

[@Martihorn]

I am female, age 73. Keto 9 years, LMHR, LDL 450, CAC score: zero. My cardiologist, Dr. Nadir Ali says I’m fine. My regular doctor is freeeeakiiiiiiing out. I will have to replace her…

[@ogeoge6000]

Fantastic, love it. Thank you to everyone involved.

[@Lynne135]

Thank you Dr. Berry for explaining the grafts, you really helped me comprehend the info. Great speakers and presentation. I shared it with a former exchange student who is a general practice doctor in Paris. She is an athlete so I asked if she might fit in this hyper responder category. I look forward to more info. So cool 🤗

[@fabriciomendoza]

Could you explain de meaning of the green bars?

[@reynmike]

Thanks for posting all the study links Dr. Berry!

[@mrrpgswe8931]

The LMHR really mean "Lean Mass Healthy Responder" 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@patc1764]

Thank you all for this fantastic presentation!

[@WandaSawicka-lx4qh]

God bless you for your work and sharing with all of us ❤

[@Facilité-g3l]

I am Maoli, Hawaiian native from Honolulu, HI retired in France in 2022, Started Keto in Nov. ’23 for skin inflammation issues. Lost weight, cured some of the inflammation and now am on the Carnivore Diet to heal last skin issues. Blood test in Jan. ’24 showed HDL (decreased a little), Triglycerides reduced from 1,36 g/L ’22 to 0,86 g/L and IMPORTANTLY LDL INCREASED from 1,22 g/L to 2,69 g/L. My French primary doctor immediately contacted me that I should take statins since he was shocked to see the huge increase, but I REFUSED. I told him I’m on a Keto diet, he never heard of it, and that I feel fantastic. I was scared, couldn’t sleep and franticly googled and found Dr. Nicholas Norwitz, Dave Feldman, Dr. Ken Berry and others who calmed me down. Thank You, thank you, thank you.

[@kathywickins]

Really interested in this. Husband had massive heart attack Jan 1 of 2023. He has started carnivore & we know his cardiologist will be very unhappy. He wants his LDL at 50.

[@ranchin1000]

My husband also had a massive heart attack in 2021. Went on Keto/carnivore and was weaned off all meds thanks to Dr Phillip Ovadia. He is now his cardiologist through telehealth visits. Local docs just push statins and don’t get metabolic health. Best wishes for your husbands continued good health!

[@ckomtro3]

may i ask what he charges for video visits? If you know

[@barblacy619]

@@ckomtro3just Google him and follow his KZbin channel. One study showed an LDL under 70 kills people. Ovadia has common sense

[@gailpaul5274]

Thank you all for what you are doing! Great he.p for all us in this population.

[@TheCarnivoreGolfer]

Hi Dr Berry. I'm 65, very skinny, and my cholesterol has been measured at 8.5 (British measurement). I've been through extensive heart valve surgery too. My doctor has told me to take statins, together with the cocktail of heart drugs that they've said I'll need for the rest of my life. However, and thanks to Dr Chaffee and yourself, I'm now off all drugs, and definitely not going to take the statins - and I'm improving every day, and fitter than I've been for a very long time - all as a result of being strict carnivore for the past 6 months. I'm someone who's spent my whole life thinking that doctors are the most trustworthy people in my life, and slowly I've learned how this couldn't be further from the truth - and actually they've been responsible for leading me in a very bad direction all the way - and it saddens me to have to think this way. Thank you to you and all your efforts, 🙏 Rich

[@Denise-t2n]

Me too I always thought I could trust doctors but I have they have almost killed me several times and when I got the fittest in my life is when they seem to harass you the most and want to push drugs you don't need

[@Maria-zv9up]

My daughter (24) is a LMHR, 6 month on carnivore. LDL-c is 681! I was a bit concerned until found the info from Dave. Truly appreciate it.

[@gungagalunga9040]

681 lol. That's a record for me. Haven't heard of a highe level

[@mighty_monkey_7347]

I’m a 1 year carnivore with artery calcium score of 1.

[@BeefNEggs057]

Sounds good. How long before another CAC check?

[@SET12DSP]

​@@BeefNEggs057Typically you want one every 5 years. Unless your doctor orders one earlier like mine! Boy was he surprised I went from 660 to 458 on the Linus Pauling Heart Protocol in 20 months

[@jrockinnurseinsbiz]

So happy to see this!! Will be referencing this to the medical community if they ever try to put me on a statin. Everything else is perfect! High LDL doesn’t matter.

[@lolopogz]

Hi! Doctors! Watching from Philippines 🇵🇭 Happy Holidays!

[@cttofr]

Inspiring, such an honest and scientific discussion. Clear about limitations, and incredibly exciting information that brings us closer to the truth!

[@whitewolf8257]

What an amazing presentation ❤ thank you all so much for sharing this. Looking forward to the follow up and fall out from this. Really exciting science. 🎉❤🎉❤

[@Streamsofwater67]

Thank you so much for sharing this and giving a sneek peek in this research. This is enabling us, the non-medics. Sure you will keep us posted when and where it gets published!

[@elizabethstandley1170]

I discovered by accident that a high LDL isn't the cause of plaque in my arteries. Right artery blockage was more than 40%. Discovered Tasly (concoction of 4 herbs from China, available in Malaysia) supplements, took 4 a day and the blockage was reduced to 20% in less than 6 months. Radiologist was excited, Cardiologist not so. All she could say was my LDL had increased and that my statin dosage needed to be doubled. She ignored the fact that my arteries were deemed normal in 4 months, never asked what I did different. She was also not happy I was eating more meat too and suggested I take protein powder instead. It was then that I decided I was done with her and statin. Since then I am now keto/carnivore most days.

[@jeffj318]

Shake the dust from your feet and don't look back.

[@lynnpep6962]

As my doctor raised my statin , each time (3), my fasting glucose level went up. I’m thinking of going off, to see if my glucose level drops, nervous what my doctor will say.

[@pyroliquid_]

Did you do keto/carnivore when your plaque size decreased?

[@Fred-y8w]

I’m 4 months into carnivore diet and my cholesterol just went threw the roof also Thank You Dr Berry for this podcast, great information.

[@MadPick]

Thank you, gentlemen. This was very educational.

[@eranaubs]

Would love to offer my medical data to be involved with the study. Sky high lipid panel, have had several CAC scans with 0’s all across the board. Never felt better in my life after 3 years of keto/carnivore. Point me in the direction of the study and I’ll gladly share and would love to be involved.

[@eranaubs]

And of coarse, general practitioner wants to force statins. I kindly deny and then go into sharing my eating lifestyle

[@jessrx1]

You can share by getting your labs thru “own your labs” website and filling out a form.

[@Lynne135]

I have used "own your labs" to order tests my doctor won't do. You have the option of sharing the test results and I think this is where you could explore how to be added to a study. 🤗

[@raymonddesmond8869]

A great video Dr. Berry. Although a lot of it was a little over my head, it was very informative and I enjoyed it.

[@SeamusM]

Monumental moment, and very informative video.

[@PrimalPathWellness]

Atherosclerosis takes years to develop and could have been found in people who were not on the proper human diet until recently, studies do not show that data

[@linda-ks9pf]

I don't have a cardiologist, however my local general practitioner put me on simvastatin 15 years ago. My LDL was 3.5 at the time. He also sent me to a nutritional nurse who put me on a carb low fat diet. My weight increased year after year and my LDL went up 4.4 last year on a statin. I started a Keto diet in January this year and stopped the statin as I was having edema, nausea and my hair was falling out. I did bring up these symptoms/side effects and he put me on Bendrflorizide for fluid but said all old people lose hair. On the Keto diet my edema is getting better, BMI has lowered but my LDL climbed 5.5. My G.P. is freaking out, I will have a heart attack or stroke immediately. But he still has not referred me to a cardiologist.

[@robertspinks835]

Took a CAC test at the start of my keto/ ketovore journey it was 114 I was on Lipitor for a few years. 2 years later eating red meat and eggs and few veggies my CAC is 148. Went and did a CT angiogram mild stenosis but no vulnerable plaque just calcified and no new plaque’s anywhere after 2 years. After following Dr Ford brewer on prev med I think the low carb diet is the right way to prevent heart attacks

[@stellasternchen]

You already have coronary artery disease, where the LDL-C goal is below 55, for a good reason. Still you want to continue with a diet raising LDL -C? Nice idea.

[@robertspinks835]

@@stellasternchen you have no idea Everyone who has plaque has got it through shitty diet, all my tests from the 1st CAC to the 2nd then angiogram have been positive by cutting carbs , sugar and processed food So go back to mummies basement

[@stellasternchen]

@@robertspinks835 I have an idea, I do happen to have an MD too. And yes, eating processed food and refined carbs is also increasing risk of cardiovascular disease, since those increase small particles that carry little cholesterol and mainly triglycerides. Those you can not see very well in the LDL-C measurement, LDL-C underestimates risk when many small particles are present. You have to also look at triglycerides. People with diabetes get a lower LDL-C goal to take that into account. I think changing to ApoB instead of LDL-C as a marker would be better that can asses LDL particle number more precise then the estimate we do with LDL-C, hope it gets implemented soon. Eating processed food is nowhere recommended - whole food is, fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, lean meat, fish etc.. I‘m sure cutting out junk helped you. And I‘m certainly not for adding it back. You‘ve decreased probably your small particles, but increased your large if your LDL-C is higher. So did you have a net particle reduction with this? Or did particle number stay the same or even raise? There lies the problem. Anything that raises particle number is not ideal. That means high refined carbs but also high saturated fat consumption. I‘m sure you improved your blood pressure, weight and insulin sensitivity when switching to whole foods, which also reduces risk. That is great, but enough?

[@SET12DSP]

I've had 3 CAC's 299, 660 and 458 for my last one. How many people accomplish this? My diet is mostly Keto and grain and sugar-free. I accomplished this on the Linus Pauling Heart Protocol. My Triglycerides are 100 with an HDL of 40 total LDL 130 my Lp-a is 20mg/dl. I do believe that Linus Pauling and Dr. Mathis Rath cardiologist are correct that high dose vitamin C with Lysine and Proline are the answer. And let's not forget Dr. Thomas Levy's contributions his book "Stop America's #1 Killer" Proof that the Origin of All Coronary Heart Disease is Clearly Reversible Arterial Scurvy. His book has 600 medical references in it.

[@beardumaw24]

Fixed a few health issues by going low carb animal based whole foods organic diet after a lifetime of eating a carb rich low fat whole foods diet and having low cholesterol levels of 180 and not feeling as good as I should. Doc said I had gallstones from years of low fat diet causing the pain in my side. Now after 3 years of a healthy very low carb "20 max a day" higher fat high protein diet, including fasting. I'm lean strong and feel great and no more gullstone pain or trouble. Total cholesterol is 280, triglycerides 52 and HDL 69, vLDL 3, LDL around 190 very good ratios. All other blood markets are great. And I have not been sick since going very low carb and higher healthy Cholesterol. Doc is worried about my "high cholesterol" level, but I'm not, my triglycerides to HDL ratio is excellent, I feel better than ever.