High (or low) IQ Door Stop plays - Tainted Lost No Items

[@spiritshackled1747]

i noticed a small play that you might want to keep in mind for the future: poop that comes from bosses (like larry jr and the hollow) will only have pickups in them if you leave and re-enter the room. it's a very small play, but if you're looking to squeeze value out of everything you can, it's something to consider

[@jojowasukranian8131]

At this point might as well doorstop curse of the maze until you get to the boss, those rooms were crazy hard

[@tsawy6]

One play that is super solid and consistent is going to downpour after basement two, beelining perfection, and then using it for the rest of the floor+all the mirror world. You can fairly consistently pick up about 5 bombs this way. It's not trivially easy but it is good. You can drop perfection for other trinkets when you leave, but for one floor, goated. Even just in general, it's optimal to beat the third floor boss as soon as you can to get perfection for the floor

[@_goblinosmosis]

Fair. I find the only benefits to downpour are the double reroll shop chance. I’m never really in a rush to get perfection, there’s also strategy to delaying it with XL floors to give more time to get Gulp. But if your suggestion is a good way to farm bombs, it might be worth.

[@simmy1823]

@@_goblinosmosis I agree with tsawy6 on this one. Clearing rooms with perfection almost always results in a drop and downpour is generally easy enough for clearing mirror world to not be consistently punishing (also I think downpour/dross>Flooded caves any day of the week). Combine this with the chance for a double reroll shop and I think downpour 2 is probably a worthwhile endeavour. That being said, losing out on the mushrooms of C1 does suck so idk, maybe don't go if you find a tears/gulp pill in B1/2?

[@_goblinosmosis]

@@simmy1823 I’m with you on Alt Path 1 being easier than Flooded. I can see the case for extra early game room clear being useful, but instinctively it feel excessive to clear optional mirror world rooms past checking the double reroll shop. What I will say is I’m starting to realise how good Perfection is, I’ve neglected it a bit in favour of more exciting trinket choices, but on its own, I’m noticing how frequent drops are with it. I will try for Downpour with A+ for some attempts and see how it goes. It is still mostly marginal gains though, a winning run needs so much to go right that it’s not really a run defining choice.

[@pulparya]

Que bien narra todo, me encantó

[@rami-lb5he]

Love how this guy has more of a "normal Isaac player" thought process and strategy compared to all the highly saturated Isaac youtuber stereotypes

[@cordeliafrey9950]

incredible bombat plays this run

[@f1redr1ve]

praying for you to get curved horn next video 🙏

[@TheMagicDragon-mm5dr]

Jawbreaker into gulp pill would be the dream.

[@MehdiKouka]

Nice video! The editing is very smooth and the commentary is very succinct!

[@kamikazeoof6664]

Nice plays with ring cap! Trinket you dont see very often. Spoilers . . . This run brings extreme sadness to me, getting into 2 difficult rooms one after another and not getting out were the only "mistakes" of the run. But thats the game i guess. Good luck in your next attempts!

[@softwaredeficiency2521]

you shuold do a run where you allow your self to take 1 item just to see how much of a difference it makes

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

6:40 I would have bombed one half of the mushroom rocks which would have also been 4 total mushrooms, because it opens up using a single extra bomb to clear the rest for pills, especially on a run with a proven good pill pool. More notes about this floor is that from mapping, you knew the Library and Planetarium were "narrow" rooms, and I believe neither of those have any useful narrow room layouts. this relates to the other thing I said: if you had 2 more keys going into C2, you would have had a 33% chance of finding another double locked chest room on that floor overall, strange run. still great watching how you work things out

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

hi, i've looked into possible layouts for planetariums and libraries now with basement renovator. if my math's right, a given planetarium spawn should have a 1/11.5 chance of having the 2 cards layout. A library should have a 1/5.6 chance of having something usable in it, typically cards, but with a chance of wooden chest or that one bomb bum room with 4-8 bombs. Neither of these rooms can have non-item rewards if they are narrow. I honestly think at this point you should go back to checking treasure rooms because of the room clear chance, but with a certain eye towards preserving keys in case of any more important situations (going back to my chest room chance theory). the planetarium 2 cards room is a single room with a weight of 0.5 alongside other rooms with a total combined weight of 5.75, so I would stop going for it

[@_goblinosmosis]

Thanks, these runs are back backlogged slightly but from now on I’ll try that x2 Key manip. Chest Rooms are worth. I think Item Room > Planetariums are more worth too. I’ve tried Planetariums for a few weeks worth of uploads now and they’ve paid out only once (or twice?) with something genuinely useful. Also the Item Room trinket layout chance is more fun to play for.

[@callesewey2336]

love the videos man

[@Hasan-sj4ke]

Not sure if this is against the rules but are easter-eggs allowed? I mean im guessing the ones that disable achievements arnt but if ones that allow achievements are allowed maybe try tiny head mode? It lowers the hitbox a little bit which could be the difference between getting hit and not.

[@davitucsonn2243]

hes probably not gonna pick meta shortcuts to the challenge but its always nice to point things out

[@_goblinosmosis]

If by easter eggs you mean seeds, then that’s against the rules for this. I don’t think there are any shortcuts or optimisations I’ve missed/would want to add to the rules at this stage! Might be fun for a separate challenge though

[@kemosonicfan123lbp]

You've been doing this challenge for a while now, but I feel like allowing Active Items wouldn't make it that much easier. You could ban Death Cert and Mega Mush if you'd like (and probably Smelter too), and the rest of the active pool doesn't carry the run on its own, but it makes runs more interesting as you have to decide what actives are worthwhile to keep or let go. Backpack and all the active battery items are passives, so they wouldn't be a help.

[@TheCoolBananaMan-rv2my]

Most of the TBOI killers I’ve had in my time are usually from my own skill or just unlucky stuff like this GG also it’s weird seeing tboi and not TBOi

[@aple-juice5237]

there's a russian youtuber that did this challenge (but he picked up negative) i can send it to you want

[@_goblinosmosis]

@@aple-juice5237 yeah what’s their channel name?

[@aple-juice5237]

it's @Celestial_DESTroyer (funny name i know). it was on one of his livestreams but i can't find it

[@_goblinosmosis]

Cool to see other people trying it. Looks like they made Mega Satan with only Blue Candle on the video I saw, good shit.

[@Fruitjuiceenjoyer69420]

Have you tried blocking shots from It Lives!/Isaac with soul of the forgotten?

[@pear4516]

nice