High Standard 10B: Disassembly and Attempted Shooting

[@glennhenderson9243]

I saw one in a private collection in New Zealand 30 years ago. I asked how the hell did he get one of these? He said funny story, he was at a gun show in the US and High Standard gave him one as a sample to take back to New Zealand for the NZ Police to review. The thing was he had nothing to do with the NZ Police Department apart from having a general Police issued firearms liecence for a citizen to own a rifle, which he showed them. At that time the liecence of the day had in large letters across the front "New Zealand Police" and HS assumed he was part of the NZ Police Department. He said he transported it back to New Zealand as carry-on hand luggage and was never stopped or asked about what was in the bag and High Standard never asked for it back. Lol

[@RJ-wx3fh]

ah, the 70's, smoking and free carry of firearms on airlines , haha. It's always amused me how some historical artifacts have a kind of 'well it aint through official channels, but it's here now' story to their provenance.

[@killertruth186]

@@RJ-wx3fhTechnically you can carry it on airlines, but it has to be locked and being TSA compliance. And most likely have to be in the baggage area.

[@peepsbates]

"This is what they took from you."

[@Unclenedi]

Good Lord how the mighty have fallen 🥲

[@glennhenderson9243]

@yeezyszn7208 oh bless.... I saw this over 30 years ago in a private collection. The old guy would have brought it back into NZ in the 80's sometime. Troll on buddy.

[@genericfakename8197]

Great flashlight holder, sometimes it even shoots a shotgun shell.

[@nejinaji]

8/10 needs a clip on the other side to snap D batteries into.

[@yamahonkawazuki]

@@nejinaji they go where the shells normally do. batteries work better there

[@JerryEricsson]

Great video, as usual, you keep my interest indeed. I was a cop back in the 70's, and I can assure you though that the Kel-light was the top of the line, the mag light came later. The kel light had the advantage of being solid aluminum, and could bust a skull wide open if need be. We had them in hand at every traffic stop, and when clearing buildings. Very comforting in hand, and they had a great light output as well, this before the ultra bright bulbs were invented. An 8 cell "D" kel light would last through an accident investigation on a dark highway, and would continue to serve the rest of the shift.

[@C4ndleJ4ck]

Not used to seeing torches so large on a gun. I thought it was an incredibly optimistic scope for a second.

[@Floris_VI]

Yeah, me too haha

[@raultrashlord4404]

an optimistic optic

[@ng.tr.s.p.1254]

Raul: Trashlord gotta have some hope

[@TurtleButter]

opticmistic

[@gaylordpantamime]

​@@TurtleButterayyyyyy

[@Frankdude72]

Actually ran across a Model B on display in the Argentine National Police Museum in Buenos Aries (way back in 1997). So, at least one international sale for this weapon. :)

[@VRichardsn]

Me pregunto que habrá estado haciendo la Policía Federal con la HS 10. Supongo que después de haber fracasado en tratar de vendérsela a básicamente todo el mundo, cayeron por acá tratando de colocarla en el mercado.

[@WolvericCatkin]

Ian: "You don't shoot *any* bullpup left-handed." P90: "What?"

[@silvirhunter3607]

The FN F2000 might say the same.

[@alkestos]

You left out one important operational word, "virtually"

[@thorstenmetalhead9666]

Desert tech MDR

[@ZGryphon]

Any time "attempted" appears in the title of a shooting video, signs points to amusement.

[@chth7834]

The first time I ever saw this gun was in Michael Mann's "Thief". Michael Mann's movies always have really interesting guns in them. James Caan uses a pretty cool custom 1911 in that movie too.

[@floydvaughn9666]

Shafts Big Score. I've seen Thief, but don't remember the guns. But, this gun was front and center in Shafts Big Score.

[@angst_]

Ian: struggles with literally every shot. Me: omg I need one.

[@titaniumdiveknife]

15:08 The way you take everything apart gives me the willies. You must be one mighty smart guy to know how everything goes back together. Do you ever get lost and forget how it goes back together?

[@NoOneEpic]

How come you didn't show us the Pack a Punched version?

[@austinslaughter319]

Because we're in multiplayer

[@thanielh]

@@austinslaughter319 search and destroy rules? No respawning...

[@austinslaughter319]

@@thanielh , I don't know what you're talking about, I crawled out of hell a few times. Why do you think I'm such a kinky furry?

[@thanielh]

@@austinslaughter319 ... ?

[@thanielh]

@@kaistzar2831 im not that familiar with team fortress...

[@MadSpectro7]

It doesn't seem like it's a flawed design. If the pin is the only problem then the problem might be the pins not being well-fitted.

[@Skyliner04s]

+Shoes Either that, or the drillbit, that was used to drill the hole for the pin, was sharpend wrong. A drillbit, with one egde bigger than the other, drills holes too big. I find the thought, a faulty drillbit rendering this gun useless, very amusing. :)

[@aserta]

+Skyliner04s It's not that. I think it's put backwards. Check that it has two holes on either side of the housing. Couple that with the serrations, (parallel to the axis of the pin at that) and you can assume that someone at some point swapped it backwards.

[@TheInflicted]

+aserta Possibly. If the pin were only supposed to be knocked in one way you would think it would be marked. If it were me, I'd just give the pin a good whack with a hammer at its midpoint, to bend it slightly. That way it would fit snugly when tapped back into place. But yeah, this seems more like a manufacturing flaw than a design defect.

[@webtoedman]

+TheInflicted If you look at the lifter arm, one side is higher than the other. If the pin was pushed through from the other side I am willing to bet that i) The serrated end would grip properly, and: ii) even if the pin moved sideways it would not interfere with the low side of the lifter arm. Seems a pity that nobody tried it that way, but if it wasn't Ian's gun, then perhaps he didn't want to to tear it apart.

[@ootdega]

Hey look, people who try to find and fix the problem instead of "HURR DURR IT NOT WORK IT JUNK." **Faith in humanity +10**

[@hanktorrance6855]

I believe kel-lite actually came first...in my day as a police officer, we had kel lites before we had Maglite, and kel-lite also had a rechargeable battery and mount for the cruiser so the lite was always fully charged.

[@kennethhowell1272]

Years ago we had one at work. It operated flawlessly and was fun to shoot. Remember from the bicept you actually had to aim lower than what felt natural. Only problem with gun was boss wouldn't let us take it home.

[@experiment506]

I love that moment in the beginning where Ian contemplates what he's holding in his hands right now.

[@Joepopa12]

Damn dude you bent the butt plate.

[@Pengin910]

lmao you can see the stock getting more and more bent

[@Cupofjoe60]

i was looking at the newly flattened buttstock, lol

[@A-G-F-]

Penguinsaurus thats a mill-spec stock clearly

[@winfredchambers6260]

As pointed out in the comments the Maglight came after the Kel light. In the late 60s and early 70s police officers had two choices on aluminum flashlights. The Kel light or the B light. The B light was sold by Bianchi and the Kel light was sold by Safariland. I was an officer during that time and I used the Kel light. The one on my High Standard Model 10B still works to this day.

[@FreeForAllFreak]

Looks like when High Standards made this gun they had pretty low standards! Haha! No one??? Ok...

[@Taraalcar]

+Adam Cooper oh man sick burn bro

[@MrReded69]

+Adam Cooper More like they were too HIGH STANDARD since it can't use cheap ammo. LOL Just like those Tokarev SVT-40s.

[@gregcyr]

+MrReded69 Please clarify. You're saying that the filmers used cheap, crappy ammo?

[@MrReded69]

Greg Cyr As Ian stated this gun needed to use a specific type of ammo. Not just any shells off the shelf. I don't think Ian and co. used cheap crappy stuff but 30+ year old gun is obviously choosy. CLEAR ENOUGH?!

[@gregcyr]

MrReded69​​ It's a problem even with brand new 10b. From Wikipedia: " The most common problem was the failure to cycle correctly. According to the instructions on the Model 10, only magnum or "high brass" shells were to be used. However, even with the correct shells, the action would sometimes fail to cycle reliably." Doesn't sound to me like using different shells would have helped.  Your comment implied cheap crappy ammunition.

[@patricktakada9551]

Neat idea for 1965, obviously not the best execution

[@zombiegeorge749]

+Patrick Takada I agree, the thing looks amazing. Too bad it didn't work correctly.

[@gregcyr]

+Patrick Takada Piece of junk.

[@EmmettMontanaro]

+Greg Cyr The only issue with the shotgun is the pin that is interrupting the lift, a better manufacturer could have perhaps made that design work.

[@gregcyr]

Emmett Montanaro I fail to see a difference. Bad design. Bad manufacturing. That seems consistent with, "piece of junk".

[@EmmettMontanaro]

Greg Cyr Okay what about it's design is bad?

[@Raptor747]

Heh, a butt-stroke action shotgun. That's a new one,

[@samanthao1240]

As owner of 2 10B's, ....Just a comment(clue)perhaps. The entire bullpup setup High Standard put on their Flite King will fit on a 1100 with little gunsmithing. Add a mag extension and you have a real riot buster. But of course in the process,you destroy a collectors item. Your choice. As for my unmodified 10B,hand loaded high brass shoots EVERY time. Go figure. All that said, remember,It is a collector gun,from another era,no a hunting shotgun.

[@FSM1138]

Samantha O I gotta ask, since you own two and it's convenient to one-hand... Have you ever shot both at the same time?

[@polygondwanaland8390]

Commissar Ciaphas Cain, the Valhallan 597th eating brass is worth going rambo with two bullpup shotguns.... ...once

[@deboshadow]

Any chance you'll be able to do any videos on the Calico brand?

[@Tsniper2009]

+deboshadow I absolutely second this motion

[@giausjulius4]

+Hisoka2012 Notion*

[@Tsniper2009]

+Gillan Laureth of Seles both are correct?

[@giausjulius4]

Hisoka2012 I just looked it up and apparently both are indeed correct. I had always used notion.

[@deboshadow]

I had a M-950 Liberator 3. I never had a jam or any issue with the pistol aside from how different it feels when firing. The main reason it was never really picked up by any other company was thanks to the Brady Bill/"Assault weapons ban". The company was trying for a police/military small arms contract, but the bill killed any chance.

[@drmaudio]

It's too bad we didn't get to see it run. The problem doesn't appear to be a design or quality issue. It looks like the pin is knurled and has maybe been in and out too many times.

[@petesampson4273]

I had a similar problem, a floating pin, with a Remington Model 1100 lightweight 20 gauge. It would work flawlessly with light field loads but when I stepped up to magnums for ducks and pheasants it would run into the same problem every time. The first shell would eject normally, the 2nd would drop in my lap (or on the ground or into the swamp) and the third would remain in the magazine. Manually racking the bolt would then feed the 3rd shell. So? I had a ergonomically challenged two shot bolt action shotgun if I loaded three shells. I went through that gun again and again and everything seemed normal but the problem would crop up whenever I used heavy loads. I took it to a gunsmith (who I later learned was an incompetent drunk) and he said something like "the gas port corroded so too much gas is going into the gas block" but that didn't make any sense because I had the same problem with two different barrels. By this time steel shot became mandatory so I bought a 12 gauge Browning BPS for duck hunting and started using a Ruger Redhawk for deer. One day shooting trap the loading gate on my 1100 stuck solid. While I was disassembling it I noticed that the hinge pin was all the way to one side. Ah-ha! Now everything made sense. What had been going on is that the heavier recoil of heavy loads would provide enough shock to move the hinge pin and it would lift the loading gate before the magazine released the shell and prevent it from dropping as well. I centered the pin and gave it a couple whacks on each side with a punch and, low and behold, that gun has functioned flawlessly with every kind of ammo I run through it ever since. I seldom shoot the old 1100 myself because I have since acquired a 20 gauge Beretta Silver Snipe over-under that is far superior for trap and grouse but, since the old 1100 throws slugs very well, it's the gun that I loan out to nephews, nieces, and my friends' children if they need a deer gun. I've lost count but the old girl has taken between 15 and 20 dear over the years and all but one of them was a one shot kill so, in hindsight, the ability of taking a rapid second shot hasn't really come into play! But? No one has had a failure to feed the second shot, if needed, either. What's the moral of the story? If your semiauto has feed problems the first thing to check is if any of the pins are floating around. BTW. My best friend's nephew used the 1100 to take a really, really, nice white-tail a couple weeks ago. It has an above average 12 point rack and weighed out at 232 pounds. It's a very nice deer by any standard and he dropped it with a single slug through the spine, just in front of the shoulders, at 63 paces. A "perfect shot" if you will. He, understandably, got excited when he saw it start twitching and jerking and fired 3 more shots in its general direction but all of them missed and it didn't move more than 6 feet. It was basically dead before it hit the ground. And, best of all, it's a young deer so the tenderloins and steaks have been very tasty and he contributed almost as much sausage meat as the rest of us combined. Good job, Tyler!

[@itsapittie]

Very informative as always. However, I feel I should correct you on one point. The Kel-Lite was very much NOT "a knock-off Maglite." Kel-Lite was in fact the original heavy-duty law enforcement flashlight and originally was not available to the public. I'm not sure when they began to be produced, but by the late 1970s, the Kel-Lite was the default flashlight for virtually all law enforcement officers. I still have the one I bought at J. B. Battle Uniform Co. in Oklahoma City in 1981. Mag-Lite was a relative late-comer to the "indestructible flashlight" business, but arguably developed a more user-friendly product (primarily with regard to their sealed switches which are less susceptible to damage) and thus has captured most of the market. Kel-Lite is still in business, however, and still enjoys sigificant popularity among first responders.

[@howinjoeydog]

Bought a pair of them way back in the 90's and A & B (caused they looked cool and I'd seen the B model in a police station in the 70's) have never shot the A and took awhile to get the flashlight to work on it, as for the B I've shot it quite a bit with everything from light bird loads all the way to heavy buck & slugs - never had an issue with it feeding/shooting & at 50 yards can still hit beer cans with the slugs - but I have heard similar shooting stories from others so maybe I just got lucky!

[@thfi5294]

Those things are uber cool. Got a chance to shoot one many years ago. Worked perfectly, even with low brass bird shot. A flashlight on a gun is also known as a target.

[@ShawarmaFarmer]

I can't help but watch all your videos in 0.5 speed only. It is magnificent to say the least.

[@zendell37]

Well, the concept can't be that bad. Just take a functional design and put a little shell around it. If the shotgun it's based on is good, how could this be worse? I think the way they handled it all is quite clever. The flashlight was a neat idea, too.

[@redbyrd64]

zendell37 I actually thought the A version was nice. If they redid this with modern led lights I bet this would be something

[@fdmackey3666]

Way back in 1976, when I started out in Law Enforcement, the HS 10B was being passed off as the replacement for the pump action shotgun....The only one I ever encountered had the exact same problem(s) you had with the one seen in this video. We tried every brand of "high powered", high brass ammo then available and failure to feeds were VERY common. So my department, at the time, passed on it and stuck with the 870s then in inventory. I don't know how many were actually manufactured with Law Enforcement in mind but I do know that while I was in the Army in the 1980s it's twin was tested by the Army to replace the pump action "combat shotgun"....That didn't go anywhere either.....I'm kind of surprised anybody ever bought one thus giving you the chance to test the example in your video. With some tighter specs it might actually have been of some use other than as a door stop, but as it was, it was a failure.

[@VaguelySynthetic]

That pin problem makes me think either the pin or the pinhole is warped/misaligned slightly. Doesn't take much; recoil forces being as they are.

[@chingsumcheung]

Wow it looks like a blaster from star war

[@rogerhudson9732]

+Nick cheung They were actually British Sterling SMGs folded and jazzed up. The Hi Standard 10 was used in the film "Shaft's Big Score", Richard Rowntree blasting away in the sequal; to 'Shaft'.

[@GaldirEonai]

+Roger Hudson Pretty much all blasters from the original trilogy were existing guns with added useless bits stuck on (and often necessary bits removed). IMFDB has a pretty nice list: www.imfdb.org/wiki/Star_Wars

[@mysss29]

:O

[@randomdeadbody]

yeah it looks like a bullpup a280c lol

[@abergethirty]

A bullpup shotgun from the 70's. Pretty amazing.

[@jerroldnovak4925]

Okay Ian, a Kel-Lite is not an off-brand Mag-Lite. It was the first heavy duty police light and the Mag-Lite came out as an improved copy of it. Kel-Lite merged with Streamlight and we all know how that worked out. I carried a 6-cell Kel-Lite until I upgraded to an SL-35 Streamlight. I could use them as a hammer in an emergency.

[@dndboy13]

9:00 God that is one satisfying *schuunck*

[@Dade_Soulja]

I had this shotgun in early 2000.. around 02.. the loading and reloading part is craptacular at best. It did function good and was reliable

[@aaairsoftmedia]

oh god blackops 1 flashbacks

[@damianlopez8141]

Hi Ian, dad studied in the Argentine Navy Mechanical School in 1978 (now Enlisted Academy) and used to fired it, as I recall he never told me about malfunctions. Other weapons in Navy stockpile back then were Sistema Colt Modelo 1927, Ballester-Molinas, Mauser 1909s, Garand Berettas, FMK-3 sub-machine guns, Halcon SMGs, and FM FALs. Personally I’ve been to Navy’s Cadet Academy and our ceremonial weapon were HAFDASA C-3 SMGs (40rd, twin-parallel stack mag fed, .45ACP)

[@johngibson2884]

If you fired a proper functioning one you would love it . I Love my 10b back in the day I got it from Prescott , Arizona PD silent auction along with a Police Positive ....both marked PVPD . It also has a serial number . What a pleasant surprise i heard so much bad stuff but i loved its look and took a risk . Super fun ...great car weapon to drive and shoot in an emergency .Highly ergonomic . I know it sounds crazy but I would trade my Benelli super 90 for another (10A) but they are scarce .... It actually ate all ammo I fed it the thing was a beast .Blue Loctite the pin to stop it drifting it will be a fun shooter.

[@HeatherSpoonheim]

Having watched many of your videos, I get the sense that some companies/inventors try to 'establish' themselves with innovative guns, only to fail because they have yet to master a line of basic, reliable firearms upon which to base them. Had Remington or Mossberg put this out it would have, no doubt, become a standard issue weapon.

[@todtod3192]

That prop plane in background tho Makes it sound like some dramatic horror movie scene

[@williamhayden7711]

I think any gunsmith worth his/her salt could make this a smooth operating shotgun. Heck perhaps just some Locktite to secure the pin in place. I like the idea and concept. It's an amazingly simple design. It should've been a winner.

[@DougForst21]

Call of duty black ops haha... I wondered what that was like in real life.

[@negativemonster9186]

It’s much smaller than i had expected.

[@parallel-knight]

Init it’s crazy to see

[@williamflowers9435]

I wonder if High Standard and Standard Manufacturing are related. The 10B plus an S333… perfect home defense combo!!

[@samborez]

What I'd like to know is did the gun function as it should after the 'pin' issue was found and fixed? Thanks for the take-down section. Very informative and useful.

[@samborez8089]

I now have one of these in the Model B version. I have shot hundreds of rounds through it (before Covid and related ammo shortages!) with zero ftf issues with it. I do wonder if anyone has attempted using a 1100 or similar semi auto with this shell on it. Having an extended tube with added capacity would be great. Again, GREAT video ,Ian!

[@JerryEricsson]

Just a note, the Kel-light came first and was a very high quality expensive flashlight. Much better then the maglight that sort of put it out of business. The adjustable beam of the mag-light sort of made the difference. I personally liked the Kel-light better.

[@ernestpaul2484]

I got screwed out of a Model 10 at a gun show in Alaska back in 79'. The guy wanted $200 for it. I had a $150 on me, asked him to hold it until I got back from the credit union on post (a 20 minute turn around drive) with the other $50 bucks. Got back in just under 20 minutes, went up to the table and the guy says "sorry, I sold it to this other guy". I was pissed. This is an older video (2015) and after seeing the wear marks on the weapon you can tell it was shot quite a bit. The maintenance on the shotgun was not kept up, hence the thru pin losing grip and not being replaced. Normal upkeep on this gun would have provided a better showing than what Ian experienced. I have had some firearms that didn't work or even cycle initially for shit until a little love was shown them. It is like buying a used car, you change all the fluids, get an alignment, etc and work out the bugs as you find them.

[@USALibertarian]

I'd hate to see The LOW Standard.

[@811brian]

USALibertarian Cardboard 12 gauge revolver action shotgun. uses nail as firing pin. .... We can make this work.

[@jackvernian7779]

+BC Nation yeah right, with 30 cm thick cardboard tube, perhaps xD

[@grahamlopez6202]

I'm a year late but I'm game. I'll do the welding with this welder I got on ebay

[@deletdis6173]

That's the Cobray Terminator.

[@elektro3000]

I have a Streamlight ProTac HL 3 on a GG&G mount to the left side of the barrel of my Benelli SuperNova Tactical, and I shoot it every month at the South Florida Pistol Club matches with the light on. I can confirm that with buckshot and birdshot, the flashlight in that position does make a nice bright spot right about where the pellets hit and works great for point shooting.

[@ToastyMozart]

Wonder if it'd be possible to use a lens or something to make the bright "inner cone" match the spread.

[@elektro3000]

+ToastyMozart Maglites actually do adjust the beam focus just by rotating the head. In my experience it doesn't really work perfectly, but it might help roughly match the shot pattern.

[@Nix6p]

2:45 That thing that holds the Maglite is actually called a magazine. The tube which holds the shells is the clip. Geez Ian

[@zacharyrollick6169]

This made me scream.

[@servicerifle16]

A local pawn shop in my area has one of these. I've considered purchasing it as it hasn't moved since I started frequenting the shop around 2011, wonder how much he'd let it go for? Its the B Model with the side mounted light.

[@daltonreynolds83]

I was at my uncle's and I saw he had one of these, however we were just looking and not shooting his guns, so I'm glad I found this video.

[@gregbilotta2472]

Wow, your fame is truly growing Ian....and when you fired the High Standard shotgun, it was like the shells were coming at me in 3D

[@codymoncrief8478]

Flite king pumps though, built like tanks and slicker than you'd think possible. Cheap and chunky but wonderfully usable

[@WurledPeas]

I used to see these things at the gun shows all the time. My dad was going to buy one once upon a time but the guy wouldn't come down enough in price for the old man's tastes. I think he wanted all of about $150. Hindsight being 20/20, they go much more dear than that now. That's right up there with the many Johnson rifles I could have bought cheap back when the Great Western GS was still in LA County. There was a dude at the OC Fairgrounds show a year or so ago who had several on a table for display only.

[@TomSmith-dp9zb]

holy shit that thing absolutely LAUNCHES spent shells

[@BigSwede7403]

I was going to ask why they didn´t extend the tube to get another shot or two in the gun, but i held of and it was explained. Thanks. *Hat off*

[@McMan1ac]

Putting a little drop of clear nail polish just on top of the offending pin when it's set in place might help. Same trick you use on screws in glasses that keep unscewing themselves.

[@pffear]

Ian, Kellight was the original heavyweight flashlight designed and marketed to law enforcement..... Mag light company came along a few years later with improvements over the Kellight, but it's a different company.....

[@londonjolly9174]

A gun store near me had both the 10A and B with lights on a rack with a Kryptek UTS-15 and titanium KSG. I liked looking at this funny little bullpup shotgun rack, and for the price of the High Standards, I may very well get one, only because the KSG is darn near twice the price. Either that or a K11 with tech sights. Wonderful video as usual.

[@martkbanjoboy8853]

Re: the offending pin: It looks like you could get a pin machined to correct the problem (head machined for an interference fit). If a fair # of police agencies adopted them, & they were made from 1967-1977, this says something - either HS cut a heck of a deal or put a ton of $ into advertising them in Po-lice journals of the day. I see lots of high quality manufactured components in this shotgun. Thinking about it, the plastic bits, even if they are from 1977, are high quality. Thanks so much for posting. :-)

[@stevenhoman2253]

Cool memorabilia for me. Along with an interesting back story. A block of material to prevent the misalignment of the trigger assembly would present an easy and permanent fix I'd suggest. The bull pup design certainly makes it a very short weapon, easier to weild for the police. One of these in fine fettle would seem preferable to a full size shot gun.

[@SpartanIV]

Where'd you get the hat?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+SpartanIV What Price Glory

[@remigusker6024]

+Forgotten Weapons That hat is magnificent. I think you should wear it in every video!

[@danzigrulze5211]

+Forgotten Weapons Isn't it an Eisenhower hat? Least that is what they would call them I believe..

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+Danzig Rulze No, it's a replica British WWI trench cap.

[@danzigrulze5211]

Ah, looks pretty similar to the old American Army officers cap. Really cool cap none the less.

[@formerpilgrim4934]

A friend of mine just showed me his 10B model today, very interesting.

[@petertimowreef9085]

Themed hats! I'm telling you Ian, you really are on to something here.

[@purdywaters6457]

Put a dab of blue locktite on the end of the pin should keep it from walking out, for a little while at least.

[@dragonskizi7681]

Oh shit! I saw a B model at my local gun store! I had no idea what it was and just thought it was just a funky looking shotgun.

[@dragonskizi7681]

Hell, I even handled it.

[@DGShackleford]

Great video. Quick clarification- Kel-Lites are not off-brand Mag-Lites. Tony Maglica actually worked for them before he started Mag-Lite. They're excellent flashlights if you can come by one for the right price.

[@oneproudbrowncoat]

Pioneered by Officer Al Crouch, as I recall.

[@SILENTxSNIPER01]

I scored one of these shotguns from a yard sale a few months back for $300. Just need to find the flashlight and I am set!

[@braxtonamour]

Get your hands on an 11-48! Or even better and less known, the Mohawk 48. The Mohawk 48 is my favorite shotgun I've ever owned

[@jeffreyplum5259]

It seems pinning that problem pin would fix the problem. But that is a delicate operation for a gunsmith. Custom work like that may be rare and expensive.

[@swayingGrass]

6:15 perfect synchro xD

[@rootbeer666]

If you want a semi-auto, or auto shotgun in bullpup configuration then AK-style Saiga or Vepr with bullpup conversion kit is probably the most reliable one to get. Just make sure you feed ammunition that develops enough gas pressure to cycle the gas-operated system, remember, this is basically an AK. Another note is from my own personal experience, paper or plastic shells tend to get dented on mag lips and jam when chambering. Steel or brass cased shells work better with mags - Russian factory ammo I used was steel cased, and performed optimally and resolved all the cycling issues I had with cheap store bought ammo.

[@MrIAMpeanut]

As a brit loving the hat ian ! :P The video gamers out there will have seen this in CoD: black ops.

[@hamboneneurosis995]

Any way you can update this video? I would like to see another one in action. You said this one was malfunctioning, not just a piece of crap.

[@albertmcmichael9110]

And to think this was recommended by Mel Tappin in his book Survival Guns !

[@christkandosii3337]

Take some Solder or brazing and just mildly braise the tip of that pen inside flush with the metal so that it doesn’t cause a problem anymore. To disassemble, you could just cut the pin and replace it.

[@floydvaughn9666]

This gun ran fine for Richard Rountree. Shafts Big Score.

[@yeoldegunporn]

High Standard made pretty good shotguns. I had a chance years ago to pick up one of these, but I didn't have the money. I do have a High Standard k1200, very well made.

[@stusasser5947]

Dick tracy comics featured SWAT teams on hovercrafts using this shotgun also featured in Thief with James Caan.

[@troy9477]

Like so many things, an interesting and valid concept, poorly executed. Something like this would be great for urban areas and inside buildings, where a compact weapon is a great aid. The mounting of a light was visionary for the time. Many is the time i left my 870 in the car on building searches because of its length and bulk. I would rather have had it with me. If these had been reliable, we might have seen LE switching to semiauto shotguns sooner (many still have not). Some agencies only use the shotgun for less lethal and special purpose ammo, which is a mistake. I carried an 870 and my Bushmaster in a side by side electro lock, and i pulled out the 870 about as much as i did the AR. The other guys were glad to see the 870, without exception. Never had to fire it thankfully, but it was a confidence booster.

[@jamesluke7377]

I have a pump action "Flight King" which IS the Flight King, aka Model 200 (or Sears and Roebuck/JCHiggins Model 20). The semi auto action is not actually a Flight King. The pump action and semi-auto DO share many of the same componants. The receiver is actually the same when going into machining. With 1 or 2 additional. Things done for the semi-auto.

[@RobertoDonatti]

Back in '73 Argentina bought a few of those guns for the presidential bodyguards. They had the one with the incorporated flashlight. I think it took them about 6 months to get rid of them. They were never able to make them work.

[@RobertoDonatti]

Yes, several hundred maoist guerrillas.

[@CaliforniaReefRat]

Kel-Lite was not an "off-brand Maglite." Kel-lite was the original all-aluminum flashlight. Maglite was originally a cheaper knock-off of Kel-lite. So you got that EXACTLY backwards. I own one of these. From the rattling sound yours makes, mine's in better condition, but mine showed little signs of wear when I got it and I haven't put more than a hundred rounds through it (no jams during that hundred, though). Mine cycled quite reliably with 00 buck so long as you don't use low-brass shells (the extractor will sometimes mangle them), but since nobody I know of sells low-brass anymore that's hardly a problem (several of the early autoloaders would tear up low-brass shells during extraction).

[@formerpilgrim4934]

The 10B I looked today at had the mounting bracket attached to the side of the light, and the light was much shorter in length. It was still in the factory box, in almost unfired condition.

[@fredEVOIX]

I see that huge heavy light and thank electronic advances for the LEDs lights of nowadays better lighting more lightweight

[@nickp1370]

Hi Point should start producing these, it would fit right in with their high quality products..

[@dylanfee1635]

Picked one of these up today

[@vthegoose]

“Brace the butstock against your bicep” Christ no

[@Ws_minion]

butt plate getting progressively more bent as the video goes on 😂

[@MichaelPoage666]

You can get that flashlight with or without a shotgun mounted on it.

[@DAVEMC1000]

This gun was in Black Ops! Also, I wonder if the 1148 had the same problem with the pin coming loose from the FCG.

[@Lihoratka]

black ops was a wonder to rare guns aficionados like me

[@Lihoratka]

bo2 is crap to me, bo3 still not good to me but maybe we'll save the series!

[@Nukle0n]

+Lori McGeary Black Ops was a wonderland of shitty cold war guns, from the G11 to this

[@gunfuego]

+Nukle0n the g11 was ahead of its time. and was more accurate than any infantry weapon at the time.

[@Nukle0n]

+gunfuego It's neat on paper but as Ian explained not long ago in his Q&A video, the gun had a million small tiny parts, like a pocket watch, and the ammo had a ton of problems. If you had a misfire due to a cracked round, you'd have a caseless bullet stuck in the gun, with no way to manually eject it without disassembly. It's a neat sci-fi gun but it was just never gonna be.

[@esquad5406]

I have owned 3 10's over the years and have yet to see one that worked well. The riot on the other hand all way's work. Bear in mine 10's 10A's and riots are all 50 or so years old.

[@leviwoodring6101]

The flight king was a pump action. They hs 10 used the supermatic c1200

[@PhilthySpectre]

Michael Mann loved em for whatever reason. They're all over the place in Miami Vice

[@Thepnastyone]

Now all we need is to see a colt defender Mark 1, an 8 barreled 20 gauge almost as rare as the jack hammer far as i can tell

[@AbusedSodacan]

I own one, I've put a few hundred rounds through it, definitely much more reliable than the one in the video. I wouldn't trust my life with it, but it doesn't jam or catch up nearly as much as that one.

[@ExUSSailor]

Butt stroking will get almost everything working!