Highest Paid INEOS Rider ISN'T Happy

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[@mattpotter8725]

I think since INEOS bought the team and even more so since Dave Brailsford isn't there anymore that things are falling apart. They let go riders that didn't quite make it in terms of being GC contenders anymore, like Sivakov and Geoghan-Hart, who would have made great support riders, even contenders for victory in week long races, well even team leaders for Grand Tours as things currently look. Now Jhonaton Narvaez is going as well, one of the few bright points of this season. They're letting top talent go and just don't have the depth to challenge anymore, even though they ride like they do, this is a problem, and I put it down to bad management. I'm guessing Bernal is on good money because he signed a long contract before his horrific crash, and this combined with Froome's similar, almost career ending, near life ending, crash, this must have set back INEOS a long way and they've never really recovered. With Jim Radcliffe now being more interested in Manchester United than pro cycling I think he's let his eye off the ball and has decisions are being left, right, and centre now. I don't think Carlos Rodriguez is anything more than a top 5 GT finisher, which don't get me wrong is still darn good, and G Thomas can't go on forever, and I think is winding down his career now, so INEOS have a problem. Finally, have you ever been on a pro team the management just said to you to decide amongst yourselves? If this is right then it's just an abdication of duty by the team's management. I don't know what is going on, but the team would be very foolish to let Pidcock go. Might never be a GT challenger, but he's probably the most talented rider on the team. He must have had an agreement with the team to have time to prepare for defending his Olympic mountain bike gold medal, which even though we're not fans of that sport he won that race in amazing style, and now that's done he wants to be developed more into a road cyclist winner, I don't blame him for that. I know we don't get to see or hear everything that goes on behind the scenes but I just don't believe that he's the one creating all the trouble. Maybe INEOS want him gone to free up budget to invest elsewhere, maybe it's just that in a poorly performing team tensions rise to the surface, but whatever is going on management need to get a grip on things, I didn't see anything in Il Lombadia to justify him not being there, even if he was just himself I think he'd have done better than the team did as a group. 🦋🦋🦋

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

It’s got to be management causing most of this or we wouldn’t see so many others complaining. 🤔🦋👊

[@TheMrbrookster]

Tom doesn't make it easy on himself, there are a ton of multi disciple riders in the peloton, track, cyclocross, mountain bike, gravel?..., but I think it is generally understood that when you not leader(s) you back the team and ride 100% for the win for the team. I have seen every top rider on the front riding for team mates, Remco loves to get on the front and tear off every ones legs in a sprint lead out every top rider works for the team, I don't recall a single time I have seen Tom on the front giving everything for the team making that sacrifice.

[@petedog9581]

This was special year for him in mtb. He won both the XCO MTB Worlds and gold at the Olympics. Ineos had to know that those events were going to be his focus. The Olympics is only every 4 years. These races are every year.

[@noahzwahlen6307]

I agree with you, but i revisited the 22 tdf and he was pulling the thomas group on the gravel stage when they got caught behind. But yeah he doesnt seem too selfless

[@TheGotoGeek]

And this is why he got pulled off Lombardi

[@Cycleplayer117]

Inios is in a terrible place right now. They don’t have a rider who can compete for GC. Tom and Inios are not going the same direction but Tom is there most talented rider.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

A few times here and there he was but certainly no Kwiato. I putting it on Management or at least leaning that way a bit. Mainly because management signed him and this is not year one or two. 🤔🦋👊

[@Cider4144]

Publicly hauling TP off the team bus in front of everyone was seriously brutal and humiliating. Not the best lesson for management people the world over in any business. The morale on that bus must have been in the toilet after that.

[@yelapa999]

I remember a similar situation in a much different business, years ago. It was their sales force witnessing such a display of public humiliation for a widely respected employee. Every single elite person was gone from that company within about a month and a half, including me.

[@fernandovega5722]

They have quality riders. They need quality management.

[@yelapa999]

@@fernandovega5722 The present management has poisoned the present talent well. They will need a more or less complete change of both. And that is damned difficult.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I got to question the management. How is it that so many people on the team are all complaining. 🤔😬🦋🔥

[@swisstopia]

Ineos in disarray; Pidcock is a generational talent. Management needs to keep him happy, and figure out the best way to utilize his talents.

[@cjelvado]

I don't know, but when I read Dempster's statement, it seemed more to me that he got word from somewhere above that Pidcock was out for Lombardy, like it or not.

[@profchaos9001]

Yes i dont understand why Chris is blaming Dempster because he is a manager himself, Dempster said the decision came from above, from the executive management, yes Dempster is a manager as well but the DS is a rung below the executive branch, aka those who pay the bills.

[@hazarddavid6987]

If its true, then the team is not run by Dempster, which is a mistake. The performance of the team is the manager's accountability. The buck stops at him. That is what it should be...The manager will be able to perform better if he is given space and freedom...which will breed creativity and competency...of course within certain agreed rules, understanding and guided by the team's aspirations. Having someone above the manager telling him how to run it is just unprofessional.

[@mokasusa]

Congrats for reaching 88k subs🎉

[@stormbringer2882]

9:45 " mountain bike ridiculous stuff"😊 Chris Horner, you're my man, man!!❤

[@ericvonhellens8822]

Top 20 I remember seeing his interview that he wants to be a gc rider, but then he goes and races mtn bikes in the middle of the road season. His choice or team choice? I agree with you, Chris, he needs to pick the discipline and stick with it.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I couldn’t believe Tom raced MTB after Switzerland. I don’t think I have ever seen that before. 😮😬🦋🤪

[@grahamliggat7193]

@@ChrisHornerCycling If you look at it from his perspective that the Olympic gold medal (he won) was his main 2024 objective surely it makes sense in a v busy season with so many different events compressed into his summer? Completely agree that Ineos have lost their way. Pidcock aside they have too much budget tied up in past performers (who are waning and/or who have been recovering from accident/injury) to retain sufficient depth in their squad to compete anywhere close to how they used to. In the 2024 grand tours their wagon rolled along often appearing near the front and in the mix for much of each stage but rarely a threat once the real punches were thrown. If you look at the majority of the recent grand tour wins with squads fielding their strongest teams then it takes the combination of an exceptional rider together with real depth in the team composition to come out on top. At no point - on the starting line - in 2024 and arguably earlier have Ineos looked to have this combination and so they lined up as “also rans” effectively just chasing stage wins.

[@xander0901]

Ineos as an organization has massive problems. On top of all the rider discontent, you have other staff leaving to become DS for other teams. Pidcock certainly has the talent to be a top tier rider if he were to fully focus on the road (which I believe is legit given that Tom accomplished his goal of being a double Olympic gold medalist). However, the question for Tom is whether he himself actually wants to stay with Ineos. There’s a legitimate case for him to leave, even if it is for a small team.

[@wsbygt]

Hopefully, now, Pidcock will have more time to race MTB races and train for the 2028 Olympics! I respect his skills but he didn´t care for Ineos 2024 season.

[@two20john]

When your top rider starts demanding who we want as DS in races you know you're in trouble. No way would Brailsford have capitulated to the request, he needs to be explained exactly which bit of the dog he is. A clue: Its near the back!!

[@bookingstation]

It's also telling that Luke Rowe is going to AG2R as DS

[@dr.merlot1532]

Enric Mas still has more kids (12) than Tadej has Grand Tour wins.

[@Elbrunosh]

This guy likes to hit it raw 😂

[@Cyclingeditzzz1]

is this true?🤣

[@robbyrogersberg1520]

Pidcock is a 1 day racer, he's not a GC Contenders at all

[@autorelight]

No way to ascertain that at this point.

[@robbyrogersberg1520]

@@autorelight he's shown nothing that can compete with the other top 5 or 6 riders over a 3 week period

[@draconianTL]

That's fine - Ineos don't have any other reliable 1 dayers.

[@jeanholt9633]

Riders can change.

[@tim9s]

When Tom passed Froome on the downhill, that was epic.

[@tommythomasson1]

To be realistic: I regard Pidcock as a rider who should focus on Ardenne Classics and stage wins at Grand Tours. Maybe a mountain jersey as well. If that leads up to a top ten finish in GC, it will be a nice byproduct. And now Pidcock has to make the decision to focus completely on road racing and the Ineos Management has to make a decision whether they want to pay him for that or not and if how much.

[@dengar1313]

Even Geraint said the situation is bonkers. Pidcock better look to get out from under Ineos.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Yep. It’s got to be getting ugly over there. 😮🦋💥👊

[@rulifaller8474]

Pidcock is part of the problem himself. Plus no other team will pay him that kind of money for the results he got on the road.

[@iacobogallus2110]

If the team has good athletes and the results are not there...the fault is to be and is on the management. We saw it last year when management is weak and starts to play intrigues between riders. It made explode the team during race...even PR after the big dispute after Angliru (even big boss flew in to play a fireman) was better and showed only one black sheep, but the team was damaged and does not perform well this year...the only solution is to change the faulty directors. In high performance there is no democracy, all decisions should be founded on the facts. If Tom was send out just before race, the director should have very good argument other than his power. I think that Tom will go out...he can not be in a team run by a band of seriously bad knuckleheads.

[@ignore-fv7rc]

​@@iacobogallus2110 not so sure I agree with your premise. look at the Dutch national team. a collection of great riders that consistently loses. purely attributable to putting ego and individual ambition over team goals

[@yelapa999]

Ineos is a head scratcher and a face plant these days. Two for one. And who knows what Tom Pidcock was told and when that changed? One thing I do know-whenever we see Ineos riding at the front of the peloton these days, the only thing we wonder about is what they're smokin'.

[@MontrealMike]

Who gets the "knucklehead" title? Ineos management? Tom Piddock? Both?

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

In the words of Zak Dempster (Ineos DS), I would give it to “Management”. If you signed a kid that wants to do MTB a week before the TdF, then you can’t complain when the fitness isn’t there. If they didn’t see that coming it’s their own fault. And Tom is still young enough not to understand how fragile great form is. 🤔😬🦋👊

[@andreasabels589]

@@ChrisHornerCycling His main goal for the season was the olympic gold, not helping Carlos secure his top10 and hoping for a stage win. He should do all the MTB events he can and hope the TdF does not drop his form too bad.

[@barryrobbins7694]

My guess is that Pidcock is going to focus on road, and Ineos will make some internal changes that will lead him to stay. He has a good contract until the end of 2027. He would likely lose money by changing teams, but not necessarily get better results. A lot of it has to do with what exactly is going on in the team internally; there is very little information.

[@nakawesiabia6311]

Right now INEOS’s problem is Manchester United not cycling team and I’m worried the team may sink

[@barryrobbins7694]

@@nakawesiabia6311 Ineos Group is a large multinational company. I think they can juggle a few things. They also signed a contract extension for Joshua Tarling to the end of 2027. There have been a lot of personal changes. We will see.

[@LaurensvanRooijen]

Your disrespect for the sport of mountain biking and two Olympic gold medals is pretty baffling. As is the disrespect that Ineos Grenadiers are showing in their handling of Tom Pidcock who still has a contract through to 2027. Pidcock needs to leave that team ASAP, and plenty of other teams will happily sign him - teams that will also happily let him compete in mountain biking.

[@rafaelfranco7041]

Don't think he'll be with INEOS next year. If they pull him out is because they didn't want Tom's UCI points to go to a different team.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Where he will go though. 🤔🦋👍

[@zigazdovc6175]

@@ChrisHornerCycling Bora.

[@musclelessfitness2045]

Just got home from work ... straight to the Chesterfield. Perfect timing 🦋👊

[@robbchastain3036]

Same here and I thought Chris was going into cycling hibernation for the winter in the wilds of Oregon. 😀

[@starkparker16]

Knuckleheadism averted. 🛋️🦋

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Bam 👊🦋🛋️

[@musclelessfitness2045]

@@ChrisHornerCycling Thx for the educational videos you keep posting 👍

[@nfeht2]

0 seconds ago Doing other disciplines is perfectly fine, but you can't expect to get paid as a top road rider if you aren't committing to the road and the road team. Look at WVA he is paid big and may jump off-road, but he is certainly committed to the road results for himself and the team.

[@Andy_ATB]

Why shouldn't he get paid big money? Roadie ignorance at its best. Ineos knew he raced different disciplines when they signed him - and paid him accordingly. He's paid to win races - whether that's road, off road doesn't matter. And he's delivered wins across 3 disciplines.....

[@mikebaxter818]

​@@Andy_ATB gotta agree here. Everybody knows TP's main interest - and talent, right now - is winning big MTB races. In addition to that he's a viral youtube star, at least while he's winning. Is that worth nothing to Ineos? They must have paid him the big contract on the understanding he'd come good on the road as well. Well, he has delivered on the road in the classics. So we come down to 2 things. One, his performance at GT's, which is not all that promising. And two, how he fits into the team. He's a great guy to us the cycling public, got charisma and a certain genius. But will he give it all for the team?... no, he gives every impression of not doing what he's told, or asked to do. Since all the other guys are ultimate team players, all y,ear long, they probably wish he wasn't around. You hear the other riders say he's a super talent, that's good but not so good as a super teammate. So upper management sent a strong final message and his removal from Lombardia was that message. Trouble is, they could have delivered the message with more finesse. This way, it's like they'll be lucky to get any loyalty from TP. You don't get loyalty by humiliating somebody and jerking them around. So what's left?... I think they will cut him loose or further starve him of opportunity. I hope I'm wrong, it would be great to see a happy productive TP with Ineos next year. But I can't see it, not now.

[@ignore-fv7rc]

@@Andy_ATB because he has done nothing significant for the team that pays him. if you like his style, you pay him

[@seanpollonais1208]

What GT said about the democracy style management of the team might be the key factor. You have highly tuned athletes all considering themselves to be something, many times something more than they truly are, but high calibre all the same. Then you ask for a vote on how to ride a race or a training ride?! You can't have this free-for-all approach because when the results are poor, fingers get pointed in every direction. You can imagine people leaving the team bus before a race, mumbling under their breathe as opposed to "Okay, I know what I have to do."

[@avastmick]

See the cafe ride with Matt Stephens from end of 2023, Pidcock was clear that 2024 was all about the TdF and the road. He even ride home from the airport after the MTB World Cup to get road miles in according to his Strava comment. It doesn’t look like he wants to ride MTB

[@swissbiggy]

I don't mind Pidcock leaving After 2026 the whole team Ineos will stop anyway probably.... I do hear this rumour from different people... At the Manchester United podcast (United is sponsored by Ineos of course.) I did hear this rumour about the cycling team from Ineos stopping the first time.. And the second time it was Johan Bruyneel who mentioned it... I do not know what to think about it yet.... But we will see what happens.... At this point I would not even be surprised if there is a fusion coming up between Soudal and Ineos.... Lefevre is still looking for money, nothing changed since last season when he wanted a fusion between Soudal and Visma....... Just thinking out loud, nothing more, nothing less. 😉✌🦋

[@autorelight]

It seems to have run its course, yes. Totally agree.

[@nakawesiabia6311]

I heard it too and they are now investing in youngsters ie man united and they are sacking/cutting everyone who’s being paid a lot of money and I think they are focusing on football now

[@swissbiggy]

@@nakawesiabia6311 Yep, I have that same feeling.. Sure we have no proof at this moment, but it is clear that certain things are going on... We'll wait and see. 😉✌️🦋

[@Jimpassarotri]

Alpecin would know how to maximize his talents.

[@autorelight]

Beat me to it. Wouldn't that be something to manage? lol

[@rulifaller8474]

Yeah but they would not pay him the same money. He is no MVDP on the road or even Cx, and he never will be. Plus Alpecin does not do GC racing.

[@Jimpassarotri]

@@rulifaller8474 Actually, they race cross and mtb and no one can't keep up with Tom on the cyclocross track at Namur with the steep hills and Roots. No one comes close

[@epincion]

It’s time for a divorce based on irreconcilable differences. It happens from time to time with all teams. In my opinion Ineos need a new management team and a much more focused stable of top road-race riders. Tom wanting to participate in the cross season should be encouraged and facilitated but then that limits which team he could fit into.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Could be time for it. When a DS doing an interview about why Tom is not at the race and says that it’s a management decision, followed by saying that they can do what they want. Seems pretty ridiculous to me that that was the best answer they could come up with to the press. 🤪🦋👊

[@TopgunB]

Management decision? Possibly as high as Brailsford or even Ratcliffe?

[@daveandrew589]

If it was a management decision, it's a management problem. Pure and simple. 'Management' can f up pretty much any project that they turn their attention to, in any domain. Only rarely does management make a high performer better.

[@erich8258]

Time to defect to gravel for Pidcock! I'd love to see him in the Lifetime Grand Prix.

[@RedGunBullets]

But he wants the roadie money… 😂

[@autorelight]

Hahahaha.... so you're advocating he leaves the NFL for some D-3 College? Gotcha.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🤪🦋🪨🪨🪨🪨🪨🪨

[@DeanGroovy]

Seems like there may be a financial aspect to both sides of this little spat. If INEOS is trying to sell the team and to do so they need to dump their more expensive riders, maybe they're purposely sabotaging Pidcock to try and get him to jump ship. On the other side, Pidcock may need to say he's all in and has been all in all along to make himself more attractive in the marketplace. That would be a poor strategy by INEOS, IMO, but maybe they feel they made a mistake with Pidcock and they're trying to fix it.

[@gregtitus2467]

Yeah, TP. Take a good healthy or get off the pot. I don't see how anyone really serious about road racing can dabble in the other disciplines. Just be focused on one thing. What you do for cross-training should totally support your road racing goals.

[@profchaos9001]

Pidcock is a bit of an odd dude, I think he’s delusional if he thinks he can compete with the best GC riders (the top 4), maybe he can hang with second tier GC riders like Mas, Ben O’Connor, Landa and such, he never showed he can hang with the best on big climbs and even in TT he is average, even if he focuses solely on road races, numbers are numbers, he doesnt have the watts or w/kg and you can only improve so much even with 100% focus on road. I was on the Mortirolo climb when he won his Giro d’Italia U23 and i thought he was going to be a force in GC but looking back that edition was quite poor in talent and his best opponent was Vandenabeele, not exactly turned out to be a world beater, maybe that win is the cause of his GC delusions. Now dont get me wrong he is a great rider but he should focus on classics and winning stages in GT.

[@ArnyRimmer]

Many commentators have wondered why Pidcock is paid so highly by the INEOS team when he doesn't do much on the road and is instead involved in other areas of cycling. They all thought that Pidcock must have some extra big marketing value, that the fans just love him regardless of his results on the road. I can imagine that the team has run out of patience. But that team generally goes to hell. It's ridiculous how poor his riders' results are. But if Pidcock is really their highest paid cyclist, then that is really very strange.

[@fathertime7864]

For all we know, it might be Ineos pushing TP to do all the mtb and xc races since he's winning them a lot.

[@franciscopontesvelasco4315]

I was expecting more from pidcock, although its hard to be successful with so many competitors

[@leduch]

money money !!! i bet your skull head is more aerodynamic ,than the best time trial aero crash hat!!!!!!!😀 thank to the horner team ! for commentary 🦋🦋🦋 njoylife

[@PolarRed]

INEOS, The MAN U of Cycling! Wonder what the connection might be? 🤔 OH! What's that about FC Lausanne-Sport and OGC Nice you say? 🤫

[@nakawesiabia6311]

The all above you mentioned they are all in deep waters the likes of Manchester United,OGC nice etc etc,they should sit down and figure out how they get out of the shit Sir Jim get into himself

[@aliverbirduponmychest3055]

There are too many riders speaking publicly ("what goes on in the dressing room stays in the dressing room") not a good sign, once that happens it is either an exodus of talent or the management and coach will move on! Since the management restructuring you would have expected maybe a bit of a dip for a season and then push on again. Then there was a big shake up of riders jumping ship and they brought in a lot of real top quality exciting talent from the age groups but they haven't been able to replicate all of those junior titles and real potential onto the World Tour. For me the fact they've all not fulfilled their potential suggests there are issues with coaching and or management. If there's yet another exodus of multiple riders it does not reflect well on the judgement or decision making of management! As far as Pidcock goes, he said he was going all in on the road in 2023, I think he expected to be number 1 leader by the end of last season and when that didn't happen he targeted Olympic Gold to supplement his domestique duties and a pop at a couple of monuments and possibly a short stage race. Personally I think there is a lot more to come from this lad, I believe he is underrated. When he sets a target, focuses on it he generally delivers, as evidenced by his successful Gold medal defence after a big setback and from a seemingly impossible position!

[@hondasaurusrex6998]

Heard all kinds of versions of this BS. It's Tom, it's the management, it's the trainers. One thing, but got talent. Drama continues. Looking forward to see what motormouth has to say about it.

[@Sl33pwalkeruwu]

Not the only sport INEOS is having troubles in either…

[@danreynolds1142]

How does it work if he leaves does his points go with him? Ineos are all under pressure, probably why the conflict?

[@andreasabels589]

Honestly, I don't get all the crazy talk about this MTB event. Afaik his main goal was to win the olympic gold and for that, he should probably do MTB events and hope all the road racing does not drop his MTB form. Not the other way around. What even is his goal at the TdF? Even in top shape, I wouldn't consider him top10 material this season. Sure, he has a chance to win a stage, but that has very long odds. So mostly he is there as a quality support for whoever they decide to be their main gc-rider. But when that man is fighting for top10 at best, I don't really see a problem with Tom putting the MTB on a higher priority.

[@BrewBadger]

Pretty sure team Ineos is on the way out... 2026 team will either be sold or dissolved.... Long list of riders and management that have departed for greener pastures. Tom wasn't getting the hint it was time to move on... dropped before the race to send a message..

[@jmart8009]

Hello from the chesterfield in my new home in chesterfield Virginia 🛋️ 🦋👊

[@ethangodridge6833]

Tom can't compete for 3 week GC for me. I think Ineos should use his wages to sign the GC rider they need to replace G. For Ineos to return, Dave B needs to forget United. Tom is a great guy though 😂.

[@joannaglasby2596]

First ETA- I was wondering if you’d address this. Looking back at the TDF unchained season 1 I think it was, where Tom basically started riding for himself because he didn’t want to ride for the new race leader after G Thomas crashed out, I can kind of understand why if it’s majority ruled, they might not have put him in.

[@mattpotter8725]

TDF Unchained is a TV show. I'm not saying that what was written didn't happen just that it's a show that controversy to get viewers and so I think this is blown all out of proportion. I think INEOS is being run very badly now and has been since the Froome era, heightened because of the horrific crash of Egan Bernal, and they've never recovered. They keep letting some of the best riders leave and I think if they let Pidcock go it would be even worse. I can't even believe after the Giro that G was the leader at the Tour, he's not good enough to win (or even podium) anymore and I think the problem here is the management of INEOS. Going into a Grand Tour the riders should have all been told who was the leader, and if that leader can't continue who would step into the role. You can't just let the riders decide amongst themselves, that's crazy, it's a management decision and if they're not doing this they aren't their jobs properly.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

There has to be some interesting stories in Ineos to have so many unhappy riders and staff. 😮🤔🦋👊🏆🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

[@johnsenior478]

Just a quick one. Zak Dempster is a DS. Management are the people who sit above him and manage the budget, hire and fire etc. The teams owner is a billionaire who likes things done his way and likes to win….Im guessing TP having a mind of his own and knowing his own worth isn’t good at not keeping his opinions to himself… especially as Ineos has been a shit show for some time.

[@Andy_ATB]

What this story has proved is the road world thinks MTB riders should be paid peanuts, and be grateful for it.

[@treszenrv9401]

Team Ineos used one off the 30 rides slots for Pauline Ferrand-Prevot for a 2 years contract 100% focus on MTB (except 2024 road world) and 0 UCI man road point obviously. Looks to me they had a strategy to nails 2 Olympic gold medals in 2024 (Pinarello trowing some money to develop 2 MTB bikes) and THEY DELIVER earning MTB 🌈jersey too. Now Ineos are not happy with the cost in UCI point? Too bad for them but they can't blame Tom and Pauline to have done what they were supposed to do. Soudal Quick-Step (without Remco team) and Ineos have the same problem. They come with 5 leaders and no domestique .

[@ronwest6176]

Wins in the pro ranks are hard to come by. Info's aren't a powerhouse team currently. If Tom has to moonlight in mtb to get titles, then let him do it.

[@andrewreale1419]

IMO Ineos haven’t been the same since the tragic passing of Nico portal. He seemed to be the connective tissue between riders and mgmt. My guess is they race next year and shut it down in 26 or 27.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Certainly management plays a big role in team results . 🤔🦋👍🥲

[@geoffreymccann2841]

Who gives the ok for Pidcock to ride mountain biking?? If he wants to concentrate on the road he has to be a big boy and do it instead of talking about it. Maybe there's too many ego's all in the one team ???

[@Flakey101]

Who said he wanted to concentrate on road. He has mentioned several times if he has to choose he would pick mountain bikes?

[@geoffreymccann2841]

@@Flakey101 well just go mountain biking simple.

[@maryrenshaw8265]

Is any one suggesting that Wout van Aert or Mathieu Van de Poel quit doing cross because it's impacting their road performances negatively? No. Besides Pidcock is winning in the off road disciplines, in fact where he's won on the road you could attribute those performances to the skills he's gained as an MTB and cyclocross rider..

[@nigelstead8424]

I don’t think Cyclocross is the issue. Flemish riders have been doing that in the winter for decades, partly to help them prepare for the Spring Classics. It’s the mountain bike that’s the issue as it clashes with summer racing on the road.

[@paulafitz532]

Interesting thank you 😊

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊🦋

[@rolandcolavizza5368]

is it a coincidence that Ineos , downfall started as soon as they moved over to disc brakes? just saying , maybe the marginal gains were lost.

[@matthewstrauts5427]

I do not see TP as a true GC contender. No question he has talent but sporadically . Guy can descend.

[@easternbrown]

Ineos is going downhill faster than Pidcock himself 😂

[@RubbishGimpy]

Ineos have declined so much in cycling. I thought they weren't attracting the riders/talent but it appears its the management. Their approach is not working in any aspect. They need authority and discipline, not 5 lead riders they give no direction too and cannot decide how best to use them. Being diplomatic has its limitations.

[@bobabout256]

Something isn’t right at INEOs and results should be better. Something is failing and they keep shedding top timers G was third in the hero some min off the lead, 2nd in 2023 second. Richard Carapaz, Egan Bernal, Tao GH won Froome won… My guess it the management are the problem. I suppose top riders, need to make as much money as possible, in the short careers they have, especially when they have proven they can win. Seems management like at Quikstep the paymasters don’t like it so it unravels.

[@NightShooter87]

Something has never been right with Sky or INEOS.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

There’s problems that’s for sure. 😬🦋👍

[@End_Illegal_Apartheid_israhell]

another empire crumbled

[@sianb1260]

Ineos has lost a lot of good riders. Yates, Sivakov, van Barle etc. There is something wrong in the management.

[@jtb52]

Lot of comments...does anyone mention Pauline..what was that about. Recruited one of the best xc riders ever to do what..then after 2 years and latest Olympics..she leaves...let's face Ineos not looking like they've a plan..sd worx leadership spreading

[@perryvath7617]

Ineos is not sky. Results speak for themselves.

[@ashifo07]

No 'Jiffy bags' !

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Lots of changes over there about the same time the name changed. 🤔🦋👍

[@Jimpassarotri]

I dont think he does well in races over 4 and a half hours. I don't think his physiology is geared for that.

[@rulifaller8474]

I would never fully believe anything Pidcock and Kurt Bogaerts say. They are the biggest navel gazers in the peloton, always looking atothers and external factors to blame for his road and Cx results. Plus they will always end up doing whatever they want. To see him as the best of the rest and even close to Evenepoel and Roglic in GC races to me seems a very big leap of faith for a new team. First see it and than believe in it (and pay for it) I would say. For now he has never ever been able to challenge any of the big 6 in any race head to head. Not even when they were not atheist best,

[@ignore-fv7rc]

if you're not focused 100% on the team. get off the team, toddler

[@rafalpruszynski6129]

I take the side of INEOS. I can see why they are tired of indulging his hobbies. He is earning more than Remco and has far worse results. He seems selfish and stubborn and unwilling to do his job even when he's racing

[@zerog4261]

Im paying his wages, i aint paying for hobbies. I get injured playing 5 a side football (soccer) on a Tuesday night, i aint getting wages for not going to work. He needs to open his eyes, hes entitled to nothing. The higher your stock, the higher your bargaining power. But Tom has no real stock

[@petedog9581]

@@zerog4261 He's getting paid from 2 companies, Ineos and Pinarello, and many sponsors in 2 disciplines. Ineos knew he is a hybrid, and they paid him anyway. He isn't stopping mtb. He is the best. He will never be the best on the road.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I just got wonder what was agreed to in the contract. And I really wonder what Tom means about Ineos not helping him to be a 100%. Are the trainers affecting Tom’s form and forcing him to do their training like Arensman was before the Giro. 🤔🦋👍

[@rafalpruszynski6129]

@ChrisHornerCycling you're right, we don't know the contract however we can probably safely say that INEOS had certain level of expectations for his road performance and they were willing to indulge him with the extracurricular stuff. Expectations that he didn't live up to

[@draconianTL]

they're paying him in part due to being the most marketable person on their team. Their audience is mainly UK (and US) and he has an exciting style and some one-day excellence that has caught the mood and sells stuff (to some people). G will be forever popular but I suspect isn't as marketable to younger audiences and frankly no-one outside of dedicated road/track/TT communities hear much about the rest.

[@asteele911]

Tom pidcock could easily be the best rider of mtb and road, just ask Tom Pidcock.

[@MrBradfordchild]

Tom believes his own publicity.

[@RB..1]

Highest paid rider on the team. How many wins?

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

I'd sack most of the team and start fresh. Thomas, Ganna, I'd give them the chop. Bernal I'd give 1 more season to get better if he doesn't chop him too.

[@nakawesiabia6311]

Trust me they are going to sack them Yesterday they sacked Alex Ferguson from his role 😂then expect more

[@ZENmud]

As long as it's INEOS night, how badly will their America's Cup sailing team be defeated by the Emirates New Zealand hydrofoil sailboat ⛵️? ⛵️🎃⛵️🎃⛵️

[@JohnDoe-sw9zq]

Tom should stick with MTN, Gravel or XC. He's not a top tier GC rider.

[@fernandovega5722]

He could be, if he stays focused on just road racing. He is a phenomenal downhill rider and can climb better than average. Well rounded rider.

[@skyscraper5910]

You don’t have to be a top gc rider to ride world tour buddy.

[@skyscraper5910]

Says the guy that prob can’t do a century faster than 12moh average. Guy who might only casually ride with his wife for 2 miles once a month.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

But how do we really know. At this moment Tom’s never really been all in on the road and every time that he’s racing for any substantial time road only, he gets better. 🤔🦋👍

[@swisstopia]

@@ChrisHornerCycling You’re right Chris, he’s got to go all in on the road, he’s the highest paid rider. It’s obvious to me that TP is having a hard time letting go of MTB. 🦋👊🇨🇭

[@matthillard9363]

From what i saw this season TP rides for himself and only himself. At best he can win stages but never a gt with the likes of tadej and jonas in the peleton.

[@RubbishGimpy]

No one is winning a GC with Pog and Vin taking part.

[@michaeldee697]

Navarez?

[@MontrealMike]

He's leaving Ineos at the end of this season to join UAE Team Emirates: the current best team in the world gets even stronger.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

He’s out of there soon. But I won’t say he’s a big leader there. That said pink was really good and when you add the fact that Ineos rarely beat pogi, well, he will be missed. 🦋🤔👍

[@bicivini]

Happy to see him next year in Q36.5 🇨🇭 may he acts currently like a spoiled kid. Taking leadership hopefully gets him into final stage of a real GC guy and maturity.. But besides all the fuss - he‘s the best rider across different disciplines (after MVDP).

[@TheGotoGeek]

The trouble with Tom is that he doesn’t appear to know how to be part of a team, which makes it very hard to lead.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I have only seen video of MVDp flying over his handle bars while racing MTB. So I cannot agree with you but to be fair I haven’t tried to watch many MTB races, so you could be right. 🤪🦋😂👊

[@Bigman10822]

You reap what you sow, Tom :)

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

And Ineos 😮🦋👊

[@locoflahute8916]

Reckon Ineos will fold up their tent after next season...

[@timliscum2861]

would love to see Tom on a new team with new energy.... Ineos is no longer relevant

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

It will be interesting if Tom leaves. 🤔🦋👍

[@johnjackson7162]

As an european, It's beyond me how anyone could vote for such an ignoramous.

[@SergioCristancho]

the trick, the 'problem' ... Is ineos could not BUY the next top performer of develop the next one, the have to see that coming, how and when... 1st sign after Bernal win in TDF you must recognize Thomas was not happy to give up leadership and ... Ineos wont enforce properly ... Until 2nd sign. Giro happen and they the management put that team all in the shoulders of Bernal NO GT no Pidcock NO other leader in the team... 3rd sign Tom P rise in one day races and Bernal crash.... BUT then NONE has a blame on this management just did the movistar move, PUT THE VETERAN AS LEADER, AND AS A GC there fore thomas acted and being the road block to any ... BUT why? why Ineos wont learn IF they send away Froome and Sr Wigo... suddenly the management is not looking forward and focus they have some talent BUT THEY MUST SEE ... THEY DONT HAVE ANY of top 10 guys in the peloton. I don't like how this is unwrapping Because pidcock is playing bad his cards ineos is wasting talented as Bernal and Rodriguez and veterans like Thomas deserve better, but is all marketing and business ... what to expect... sonner than later a clean slate from top to bottom or vice versa but it will happen. or ineos will fade and vanish from all world tour contention.

[@skyscraper5910]

Pidcock is my hero. Gets good at what he does and then does what makes him happy while earning money. Model human. If he doesn’t want to focus on GC road, then he can do w/e he likes.

[@dorianwaller8796]

Spoiled and dominating youngster turning into a meh gc road guy and looking elsewhere other than himself.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

But what of all the complaints from so many other staff and riders on the team. And to be clear, I’m not saying you are wrong either. Maybe both parties are wrong. 🤔🦋👊

[@TonyTonyCurrie]

Goodbye Ineos

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

They are having a serious decline over there. 😬🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

[@Anothaday676]

Tom races where his sponsors need him to be. Ineos is not dominant in the road race, him winning in other disciplines for him is the only way to go. In the Netflix documentary you can see ineos not know how to use Tom. When things get down n dirty Tom can hold his own. Just ineos doesn’t want plan. He needs to be on a team with more structure

[@raimodevries8731]

Chris, love your videos, but you HAVE to learn how to pronounce names of riders that aren’t American or English.

[@johnpaton8047]

Cummings needs to go.

[@liceofrances]

🦋🦋🦋

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊🦋👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

[@ricardorusso1462]

Hot take: Ineos is going to fold in the next 5 years

[@kieranroche36]

ineos dont have anyone best in class only 4th or fifth best

[@stein-fredrikholm2042]

Ineos might have put down some new roules. No marginal gains in the grey sone and nothing that wil drag ower name down in the mud….. We play clean under my name… Is my gess ☺️

[@savagepro9060]

Ineos = It's no use!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🦋😬💥

[@luisfer14240]

👍🏻

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🦋👍

[@michaelb1716]

Ineos are almost as bad as Man Utd!

[@virnowi]

😆😂😂😂

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊🦋

[@CharlesRiley-d4t]

👍 See

[@robbchastain3036]

Tom is a true off-road peer of MvdP and in the circus of paid performers, probably best that he get that dirt glory wherever he can kick up some dust. 😀

[@autorelight]

Better on the Mtb, and just a touch behind on the Cross bike. They should team up... ha.

[@robbchastain3036]

@@autorelight MTB/CX would probably be too specialized to include, but a road/gravel series akin to the '70s AMA motorcycle series of road and dirt tracks could be epic, especially for riders already skilled at riding off-road. And maybe a race-within-a-race, too, like pick five dirt/road Tour stages and the top rider in those gets a jersey for it if they make it Paris.

[@Jimpassarotri]

The dude won those mountain bike races in the world champion Stripes. Have some respect for mountain biking.

[@autorelight]

Mtb is small potatoes compared to the road scene, is what it is.

[@dboldt1598]

just go to a different team, do what you want. Someone will pay for the mad skills of TP. Love seeing him in multiple disciplines. Road isn't the end all be all, free riders jumping roads are making more money than most pro roadies.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Some free riders are making more money than Pogi. Who are these people🤔🤪🦋