Testing a Trident Blade T64

I greatly like VIA chipsets and have a lot fond memories and nostalgia of using them.

[@HighTreason610]

That's good to hear, I've also had great luck with VIA chipsets too. Some people have inexplicably strong feelings about the subject though and swear by ALI or SiS, and will practically defend them to the death. Personally I'm just happy so long as it works, no matter where it came from, but in this era (early 2000s) I've had better luck with VIA than anything else because 'it just works!' as they say.

@@HighTreason610 Same, they always 'just worked' for me.

[@hwn2831]

Never had luck with VIA :-(, but now i reverting my impressions about SiS (actualy start to like them), avoided just in case because of VIA. Never had ALi.

[@georgez8859]

Thanks for the Video. Another Company gone but not forgotten .Went from Video cards to LCD TV chips to out of business. At least you have a piece of history. Happy 2019.

[@HighTreason610]

There just wasn't room left in the market for budget video cards any more once they started moving onto the chipset. Piece of history, maybe, I dunno, it got dug out largely because the PCB color matched the motherboard - thought it was a TNT M64 for quite a while before ever plugging it in. Indeed, happy 2019.

[@magnum333]

Nice detailed review of this budget 3D card! I came across many laptops with Trident Blade cards, Toshibas mainly. Great DOS performance and overall decent 2D Windows experience.

[@HighTreason610]

Thanks man. Ah, so they _did_ put it in laptops. Finding information on this chip isn't easy, you can find it but then you'll find another page which contradicts it, mostly bus width, clocks and fill rates differ depending on who wrote the page, so this wasn't as detailed as I'd like.

[@thegodgen]

nice video and happy 2019 heres to more great videos in 2019!

[@HighTreason610]

Here's hoping. Thanks man.

[@rollmeister]

I did see this for sale and was surprised Trident even made video cards back then.

[@HighTreason610]

I think this was one of their last ones and would have been swiftly displaced by integrated graphics on motherboard chipsets.

[@beingatliberty]

good video high treason, better production quality esp with that cloth backdrop behind the card, these cards becoming hard to find these days, now all we need is for you to throw some white paint on the walls, and it will help with camera exposure light levels. great stuff keep up the good work, maybe cover some old utility software disk-doublers and such like, ram disks, performance enhancements, if hardware novelty gets sparse that is. what is that prison cell to the left of you in the shot ;) ? need to somehow get your channel a little more cognition, maybe co-op in some way with LGR or UK retro tech youtubers on something DOS based.

[@HighTreason610]

Hey, thanks. The black cloth will probably be replaced with one which is less shiny and I'll figure out the exposure soon enough, it's a new light (replaced the dodgy halogen with LED) and I think I was blasting it way too hard, also have to get used to handling the camera. The walls are in no state to be painted, even if they were I wouldn't waste my time on this house (especially as I'd have to undo it again if I left) and sure as hell wouldn't paint them white. I don't know about tools like disk-doublers, but I've covered software before such as LANtastic and Windows 3.11, so it'll probably be more 'get shit done' stuff like that whenever more software shows up.. Somehow I doubt any of _those_ channels would want anything to do with me. I'm open to such ideas, but I'm not gonna waste my time pursuing them.

[@TheDemocrab]

Thanks for uploading this. I got a T-64 recently as a seller I bought some other retro parts from offered it to me for cheap, and it's hard to find very much information about it online. Interestingly mine has the exact same circuit board but in green, the heatsink is a small green one mounted using clips and those through-holes and finally my example has a directly soldered bios chip.

[@HighTreason610]

While it may not be the fastest card, it has sure proven better than it has any right to be. Thus far it's handled everything it could realistically be expected to. There probably are a few PCB variants. There's supposedly a marginally more featured version out there with TV outputs and slightly different clocks that I'd not mind finding, but haven't really bothered to look as I'm happy with this one, having found it a good fit for this particular machine. A GeForce 2 would flatten it in 3D, a Matrox would outrun it in 2D, but I don't really use 24 year old hardware with the goal of attaining high speeds. For what would have been a lower cost system at the time, the card just seems right here.

[@AncientElectronics]

Now that I think about it I think I have a PCI Trident Blade card...somewhere. I just remember seeing Trident on the card and tossing it aside into some random box. Didn't know they were uncommon. Unfortunately, I have bad memories of Trident from my first PC that wasn't a Commodore. It was an AST and it gave me so many problems. It had a built-in Trident video chip and it always gave me issues. One of the bad ones I guess. I do love the old ISA 8900 Trident chips though.

[@HighTreason610]

They don't seem to be common, at least, as I haven't seen any of them for sale aside from the older Blade 3D and 3D Image cards occasionally cropping up, doubt it's really worth anything and there's not really any advantage to having one over the more common options, aside from the sheer novelty and the fact that it actually works. Trident definitely made some horrible things in the years prior, though, there was at least one VGA chip on ISA and VLB that used to like going monochrome and needed a TSR to fix it, or else they were extremely slow, but then they also made one which was competitive, their catalog really was a mixed bag.

[@JimLeonard]

I love the 1080p60 format -- thanks so much for upgrading your camera!

[@HighTreason610]

Thanks man, there's still room for improvement here though, mostly getting used to settings and the new filming light. Are you still maintaining TopBench? I tried to send you an e-mail a while ago with a databese containing some of the more obscure systems (C&T 386, Nx586, STPC-133) but I don't think you got it. If you do want those results, ignore that e-mail anyway as some info was missing and I was also gonna add a WinChip too, I should be able to get that done by the end of the week as I still want them in a database for personal use regardless of whether they're of any use to the TopBench project or not.

[@nikosuoa]

Great video, thanks!

[@HighTreason610]

Cheers man.

[@KainiaKaria]

My dad had a ATI 3D Rage 128 in his K6-2 system.

[@HighTreason610]

That was a common choice for sure, I think both 5AGM2 boards I've had came with those.

[@kaneCVR]

I got a K6-2 400 with 64mb of ram and on-board trident blade 3d back in 2000 or 2001 - and I'm from eastern europe - so you're right, super socket 7 machines were very popular here in that period. Socket A stuff only started getting traction from 2003 onwards.

[@HighTreason610]

So it seems the date codes on hardware coming from that part of the world indicated correctly. Thanks for confirming this, as it is good to know.

[@bluepenguin2993]

It is funny that how many people became touch sensitive on Voodoo cards. If you spend 500+ dollars on Voodoo card well congrats! Not everybody can afford that. And just because you pay a lot of money for something it must be great or vice versa. I love my 3DImage975. It's a great card, and I didn't have any issue with it. So I guess that the difference between you HighTreason and someone like LGR, you like to talk about your true opinion and that's a rare quality.

[@metalmusic1401]

I had one of those when I was in high school in a computer I used to mess around on the performance wasn't that great although there could have been something wrong with mine

[@HighTreason610]

Performance isn't exactly strong from this card, but compared to some of the other low-end solutions of the time it works quite well. For example, S3 chips from that time seem prone to loading textures wrong (or not at all) and Intel's integrated graphics were useless for years. I didn't think of schools, but now that you mention it, it does seem like that's probably where a lot of these would have ended up.

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

Trident Blade T64 is 64bit. it will be beaten by the Voodoo. Blade XP got screwed as well because it was supposed to get a 128 bit version but OEMs only made 64bit.

[@PutasZG]

Do you have any data on such Blade XP cards?

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

@@PutasZG damn man gonna make me dig into the internet archives

[@NotEnoughSound]

Great video as always

[@HighTreason610]

Thanks man.

[@WaybackTECH]

I think you just like that shirt more. The print has faded quite a bit. Powerstrip or Aida ( perhepts even old everest ) might say what the trident is clocked at. T64 makes me think of M64 as in that might have been the target for this cards existence since the M64 was a go-to card for most low end builds. Video looks good.

[@HighTreason610]

These tools tell me pretty much nothing, Everest just gives a gray window with no information at all. M64 is exactly what I thought, which is why it lived in a box for years under the assumption that it was just such a card, it definitely seems to have been going for the TNT2 end of the market at any rate. Still surprised how well it works, most of these bottom-of-the-barrel GPUs were awful and did things like not loading textures or yielding exceptionally crap frame rates, it's weak and it's simple, but it works. Glad to know the video quality isn't just rose tinted goggles, gonna take a while to fully adapt to the new camera but it should be worth it, no more worrying if the files are being mangled and no more wasting entire days messing with resampling - yeah, this wasn't only faster to edit, it rendered faster because of that despite ramping the settings up, may well try for 4K on some projects as JVC have patched the camera to do that at higher frame rates now.

[@neilgillmore]

Hi, HT... Yeah do a quick vid on the card you said was cheap but equivalent to the Cirrus cards.... Video quality is good dude...

[@HighTreason610]

OK, I'll cover it. It's nothing spectacular, it might just end up being combined with the next video anyway, if it winds up being what I think it will be, or else it will wind up being one of those 'side videos' that goes up alongside the main one. Glad to know the quality is decent, still tweaking things and learning the new camera.

[@hwn2831]

According to my experience K6-2 was not so popular in Russia if we mean actual sales and not price lists of computer shops. It was cheap, but almost completely beaten by P55C/PII Celerons mainly because of 3 things: 1. chipset issues with AGP and/or DMA (VIA or ALi) 2. poor mobo quality (broken caches, troubles with high power addon cards, linear VRMs, ...) 3. marketing :-) and Internet full of gossips and stories A year later whole low end PC market here was dominated by Durons/Athlons or Celerons. Last year i found 3 S7 complete PCs capable of using K5/6 in local garbage, 2 of them was in PERFECT condition even without dust inside, both had VP3 and Pentium 200 MMX. About 5-7 early S462 systems, 2-3 BX systems, about 10 Coppermine on VIA/815/BX. And no one SS7 even dead one. I suppose main K6-2 sales was done by OEMs like IBM Aptiva, ACER Aspire or HP Pavilion, those systems was too pricey compared to local "hand made" PCs even with Intel CPU at least in Russia at that time.

[@hwn2831]

I even had in 1998 SS7 MVP3 + K6-2-333 and Matrox G200. I was so happy for first 2-3 months, after P-166 + ET6000. And i was more than happy when i sold it and repaced with PII-333 + Chaintech 6BTM because of different software and hardware issues with previous system which i never had before. Mobo (SS7) alone was DOA 2 times before i get one working.

[@HighTreason610]

That does surprise me, I've had three boards with production dates beyond Y2K and they all came from Eastern Europe, none of them from Russia though that I can remember, certainly Ukraine, one from Latvia. The current 5AGM2 has parts made beyond the year 2000. There was another board which came from somewhere else, but that one wasn't working. I just figured they were bought by 'average joe' types who didn't know much about the technology, definitely didn't have the internet and didn't want to put a lot of money down, or else they got used in offices, they were even quite widespread still in the UK in such settings - I should know, I used to work with the damn things on a daily basis both at work and 'on the side' to make a bit of cash - amusingly often being tasked with pulling Voodoo cards out which one of the local builders liked to put in for some reason, even after the company was dead. Who knows, maybe the boards over there are all leftover stock as you suggest, mine was unusually clean when it arrived. If this is the case, then someone sure must have lost a huge amount of money ordering them in back then.

[@hwn2831]

@@HighTreason610 I was one who didn't want to put a lot of money and want to try advertised achievements in performance done by AMD especially 3DNow. Well at least i had just half of the problems with AGP support, not having Live! or other addon cards besides modem and ESS sound both on ISA bus. Last nail in the coffin was USB controller card with which PC didn't power on. During working as a computer service/repair technician (1998-2003) i seen some SS7 systems but in proportion to P55C and Celerons it was about 1:20 either at home or at work. Later generations Duron/Athlon XP about 1:2-4 with coppermines/P4. According to my experience and Internet discussions of this time in Russia SS7 was more enthusiastic choice than money saving. Computer was not something every family (average salary about 300$ a month) or business (1 PC for a small office, not on every desk) had and average joe assembling PC didn't wan't be beaten to death by average joe bought it from him. So the Pentiums prevail. Same goes to VooDoo. At the time it was the only one viable solution i knew maybe 2 people who had V1 out of 100. V2 was a bit more popular, but still not so popular due to high cost. TNT and TNT2 that was the thing sold in quantities. Most people enjoyed for just having a PC and got real 3D experience later with Vanta/M64/Savage/VooDoo 2000 during time such cards was a low end trash garbage. Not to mention on how fast evolution in computing was, people switched from P1-133/200 to Celeron/Duron 700 or even AXP/P4 Celeron 1800.

[@thepirategamerboy12]

I have a Trident PCI VGA card, and something really bad about it imo is that whenever you reset the computer the screen does a short but really bright white flash. Does this card do that from what you remember?

[@TheDman216]

ha.. i just found one of these cards in my old card box and did a search for info.. thanks man. My card is a jaton 3dforce g-32 agp with a green pcb and gold heatsink

[@Voidsworn]

I've got a Jaton Trident Blade 3d Turbo 8mb AGP card. Trying to figure out the optimal CPU to pair with it. Any ideas? It's going to be for DOS through Win98.

[@HighTreason610]

I think those ones are slightly older or at least lower end than the Blade XP. They're not cards I'm very familiar with, but I feel like it'd be at home in a slightly older K6 or a slower Celeron machine. Basically I picture a late 90s 'poverty' gaming experience, which can sure be fun in its own right - the K6 in this video is more of an early 2000s version of that idea.

[@Tom2404]

I have a card similar to this. I wanted to put it as a 2D card for a Voodoo 2 in a Pentium II 300MHz Windows 98 machine, but it slowed it down too much compared to the Rage cards. I think my 4MB Matrox was the fastest 2D card, but that's a PCI card and I really wanted to put an AGP card in an AGP system.

[@HighTreason610]

Matrox G100s are probably still priced decently, are available in AGP and are very fast at 2D. They're not _the_ fastest, but they're up there to the point you'll generally see frame rates outrun the monitor in common DOS and GDI stuff. The CPU generally starts choking before the card does. Failing that, S3 Trio 3D AGP cards are probably still worthless. Not as fast as Matrox, nor as sharp, but they're decent so long as you're only using them for 2D. They won't even come close to saturating the AGP bus, but it at least takes load off of the PCI bus, I guess, given that's largely parallel and AGP usually has its own 'lane', albeit it's still _kinda_ PCI - it's just a dedicated "Really Fast PCI" slot. That said, I'll never quite understand why people do this and then go on to install a PCI "accelerator" in an AGP system anyway.

[@Sephy69]

was integrated into the via mvp4 apollo chipset too

[@3DfxAslinger]

I have a AMD K6-III+ 500 ANZ with 1.8V, installed on a Aopen AX59 Pro VIA MVP3 mainboard with 256MB SDRAM. The CPU also runs with 600MHz prime stable if you give her 1.9V VCore. I use a big Spire Whisperrock IV Socket A/370 cooler. Max. temp on Hardware Monitor: 23° :D I like these AMD K6-III+ chips, very good performance for a Socket 7 CPU, 180 nm process, so very good for overclocking, and on-die fullspeed 256kb L2 Cache. You also can change the multiplier on the fly in windows. 3DMark 2000 with a V3 2000 AGP and 600MHz (100x6.0): 1914 3DMarks (1024x768x16) 3DMark 99 Max, also with 2000 AGP and 600 MHz (100x6.0): 3789 3DMarks (800x600x16)

[@HighTreason610]

Oh. I have an AMD Athlon XP. I play games on it sometimes.

[@rasz]

K6-III+ was just too late, by the time they came out you could of gotten coppermine Celeron ~600-700 trivially overclockable to 900-950MHz, or Duron 600 also overclockable to ~900MHz (actually challenging, required pencil and soldering multiplier straps on the pcb), all in the same $100 price bracket, and as a bonus you got a motherboard with actually working AGP slot. In games (Q3/UT) even non overclocked Celeron was faster than K6-3+ :o www.cnews.cz/test-historickych-procesoru-dil-i-1995-1999/ Upgrades also made no sense when selling old ss7 motherboard and processor would be enough for new slot1/socketA one.

[@uK8cvPAq]

Hey Treason, hate to clog up your comment section but I'm clearing out old CD's and some of them contain drivers for old hardware and software from the 90's and early 00's. Just wondering if you know of any online communities who'd archive that sort of thing? As a lot of this software is getting harder to find in the wild, but I can imagine retro enthusiasts having some fun with it.

[@HighTreason610]

Ain't clogging up the comment section. Unfortunately I've no idea where that stuff might go, you could try getting in touch with the guy who runs VogonsDrivers for the drivers, but when I tried I was repeatedly ignored and as such decided I'd hold some drivers nobody else seems to have. Guess all you can do is search around, wish I could be of more help by as a result of numerous bans and turning my back on the wider community, I'm really out of the loop when it comes to things like that. Thinking about it, I might know someone who would be interested in the software, depending on how old it is and how useful it might be, but their site is in French.

[@TheDman216]

i have the Jaton g32 (t64) but cant find a win2k/xp driver

[@HighTreason610]

Try these: web.archive.org/web/20021124052124if_/www.tridentmicro.com:80/drivers/download/blade_xp/win-2k.exe web.archive.org/web/20021124052124if_/www.tridentmicro.com:80/drivers/download/blade_xp/win-xp.exe

[@Buck9292]

Wow... my first graphics card,32mb ram,amazing performance :D.

[@HighTreason610]

Several years on, having used the card rather a lot, I can say that while it will never top the charts in benchmarks, it certainly works far better than it probably ever had any right to. Amazingly competent for a budget card of the time.

[@rasz]

Are you really sure about Nvidia embedding eeproms inside the chip? that would be extremely expensive due to different geometries and incompatible foundry processes, putting an eeprom would require 1-2 additional rounds thru masking/coating/baking/etc, using incompatible chemistry and temperatures. Plus I dont recall nvidia cards without bios chips. Afaik Voodoo 3 ramdac is 32bit (even stupid VGA 13h required at least 18 bit), and very fast at that (faster than contemporary ATI RAGE 128), its the framebuffer in 3D that was 16 bit because 3dfx liked to optimize hardware to the bone and cut anything "non essential". Sure Riva TNT/TNT2 had 32bit color, but framerate dropped. v3 artifacts - your card is broken :) crashing - its socket 7 AMD all right We get it, you hate 3dfx ;) How about glquake test? :) 640x480x16 is ~60fps on Trident with very fast cpu, V3 2K will reach up to 200fps, pretty sad. I give Blade one thing, Trident managed to polish drivers to the point this card was actually usable if you didnt care about performance (vlaskcz did a TNT2 comparison video some time ago). K6 was dead past 2000 in Europe, it was all Durons/Celerons on the low end, Athlons/P3 and first P4s on top, with GeForce2 MX as the lowest ~usable 3D gaming card. This Trident would had a place in supermarkets, in case bottom feeder vendor ran out of old stock i740/SiS 6326/TNT, or it was cheaper than S3 Savage4/SiS315/NVIDIA Vanta (all same price bracket, but much faster). Trident did find a niche in laptops, IBM for example used them exclusively until switching to radeons.

[@HighTreason610]

There don't appear to be any ROM chips on some nVidia cards and I recall it being mentioned at the time, think the FX series did it that way. This may be incorrect however, perhaps it was simply planned and never happened. DIPs in sockets were definitely going out of favor though. Could also have sworn the RAMDAC on the V3 was only 24-Bit too and it doesn't seem that fast, pretty sure even some of Matrox' older cards could outrun it, it does its job, that's about it. Also define non-essential, it's only non-essential if you don't need it. V3 card is broken? Sure it is, by design it's broken. We had other people test this on Discord and they had the same results, turns out it's a known issue with later Voodoo cards due to some negligence in regards to memory or some such nonsense. Crashing _only_ happens with the Voodoo 3, now I'm not claiming to be an expert at anything, but given repeated tests yield the same result, I think we can probably safely conclude where the problem may lie. I don't know that I have any specific hatred towards 3DFX, I just hate it when my games don't work, this problem was easily solved by installing a better video card. Again, I just can't think where the blame should have been placed for... oh wait. I must admit it does intrigue me how with 3DFX gear it's always 'your machine' or 'you're playing the game wrong' and it can never be the fault of inherently flawed hardware. Can't run GLQuake. I did test regular Quake though, 70FPS for the Blade T64 and 79FPS for the V3 2000. Wasn't aware the V3 even supported GL as I've never gotten that to work on it at all, let alone GLQuake which doesn't run on anything I own - but then, this _is_ ID we're talking about, so it's not like there are any surprises there. People sometimes tell me to patch this or that, but manually patching things isn't something anyone really wants to do, assuming it fixes anything anyway, which is another reason NFS3 was also left out of this video. When you're buying cards in the low-end market you can't really expect much in the way of performance, although for its price point, it performs rather well. Most importantly, it actually works, a good few of the cheaper solutions really didn't - and evidently, some of the more costly ones from a couple of years prior didn't either. If the K6-2 was dead in Europe past 2000, then I have to ask why there is such an abundance of motherboards and CPUs with production dates post-2000 over in the Slav countries. There were even a fair number of them over here in the UK, usually in education of offices or, as you say, supermarket brand machines. I think people forget about this end of the market, being continually spoiled by their upgraded-to-the-max dream machines, unfortunately such things were rarely the reality at the time and most of us had to make do with far less.

[@rasz]

Looking up pictures there was a switch between NV25/NV28(gf4) and NV17/NV18(gf4mx) from parallel(plcc package) to serial(soic8) eproms. >I don't know that I have any specific hatred towards 3DFX HAHA >Wasn't aware the V3 even supported GL you joker you :) >why there is such an abundance of motherboards and CPUs with production dates post-2000 over in the Slav countries As I said before, I worked at regional Asus/PCChips/Tomato(ha, now that is an esoteric manufacturer) distributor at the time, we stopped carrying ss7 boards pre 2000. S7 was dead even before Duron showed up, replaced by $100 Celerons with even cheaper S370 boards. PC-Chips M577, Chaintech 5AGM2, FIC PA2013/VA-503, Zida TX98, Asus TX97/98/P5A, Shuttle HOT591 are all 1998 boards. I cant name a single post 2000 s7 motherboard from memory, and even furiously googling I only find GIGABYTE GA-5AA still being manufactured in 2000. On the other hand I have no doubt Medion made a shitton of barely working PCs for german supermarket chains, all with crappiest custom Microstar motherboards possible, probably fitted with Cyrix CPUs. Here is an example polish ad from summer 1999 for Vobis, lowest end system was already Celeron 366 at ~$500 www.wykop.pl/ramka/818253/stary-katalog-vobis-z-1999-r-lapop-pentium-ii-za-15900-prosze-bardzo/ divide priced by 4 to get dollars They carried AMD and Cyrix in 96 and 97 www.wykop.pl/ramka/3682653/gazetka-vobis-z-1-wrzesnia-1996-roku/ www.wykop.pl/ramka/674937/cennik-z-czerwca-1997-markowe-komputery/ Found one company still carrying K6 in summer of 1999! FF-Computers, price is similar to Vobis Celeron 366 above i59.tinypic.com/16pf85.jpg Riva 128 and Ati Rage2C, we are truly scraping bottom of the old stock barrel here :) 2000 entry level preview was all celerons/P3 with TNT2 M64/Pro/Ultras i57.tinypic.com/23k3ce9.jpg i59.tinypic.com/14nfw91.jpg and 2001 only K7 and intel www.wykop.pl/ramka/3391835/cennik-sprzetu-komputerowego-z-2001-roku/

[@hwn2831]

@@HighTreason610 About production dates past something "reasonable", i had FX-8320e produced in April 2017, 2 months after Ryzen available even in country shops. Maybe that is a part of canceled deals big OEMs or so. During work in a big company if i need to repair old broken PC i need to buy new old stock components. And i was so surpised seeing about 200-300 new bulk packaged VooDoo2 cards 2 years ago in local shop with price tag about 15$.

[@rasz]

should of grabbed all of those VooDoo2s, they are steadily selling at over $100 for a couple years now, and will only go up. Despite HighTreason610s hatred towards anything 3dfx ;) they are an important part of early PC 3D acceleration history, and a beloved company by many.

[@hwn2831]

@@rasz At that time i had no interest to retro PCs and consider them - garbage. Even now, 3dfx for me more old painting, than something retro practical. But i saved 3 VooDoo1 for no reason but history piece at the time that happens about 7-10 years ago. I tried it, well, as for me, i either prefer TNT2 or software rendering, with maybe few exceptions. Some early 3D accelerated games have very little difference or serious drawbacks.

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

Anyone who has minimal knowledge about late 90s hardware knows that the best video cards for the K6-2/3 are by far the Voodoos.

[@NintenloupWolfFR]

Eh no, anyone with actual knowledge about it knows that it depends on what the games supported. By the late 90's, the other options wheren't as behind nor always worst than what voodoos could do nor did all the games made with 3dfx's api in mind and everybody that has actual knowledge knows that there can be glitches that will make a given card more desirable than voodoos. Thinking that a voodoo will do 100% of what's available on PCs just shows how little you know about what was available and done at that time.

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

@@NintenloupWolfFR i never say that the Voodoo cards are better than Nvidia or Ati in all situations. No, but overall the 3dfx cards are by far the best for AMD K6-2/3 systems.

[@NintenloupWolfFR]

@@3dfxvoodoocards6 even for a K6 it's not the best card in all situations. I don't really play 3d games and the ones I do aren't made for just the glide API. My matrox card does a better job at 2d games as it has a superior DAC and it's powerful enough to saturate the K6 anyway for the other 3d games. I wouldn't replace it for a voodoo as it's not good in the games I care. So no, a voodoo isn't THE end all be all for a K6. There's more to PC than games that supports glide.

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

@@NintenloupWolfFR if you play Super Mario, your Matrox card surely is better than a 3dfx Voodoo.

[@NintenloupWolfFR]

@@3dfxvoodoocards6 there are tons of 2d games from the mid and late 90's... That's not how it works. There's more than glide games.

[@BandanazX]

Is that one of those hobbit houses or are you 6'9"?

[@HighTreason610]

This is a very small house, barely 16x12' total, and I stand at around 6' 4" which doesn't help any.

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

10:30 - Your Voodoo 3 is most probably damaged and does not work properly. Could also be that there is some kind of hardware or software incompatibility with the Voodoo 3 on this motherboard, but that is less likely.

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

Quake 1/2/3, Sin, Unreal, Expendable, Half-Life would have been suitable for testing those cards but you tested them with Atlantis hahahhahahhahah. Great work hahhaha

[@HighTreason610]

Yes. Excuse me for trying to play the games I actually _wanted_ to play on the machine I built to play them. How _dare_ I do such a thing. Atlantis actually serves as a fantastic test, as it uses DirectDraw, which along with GDI and pure software rendering was by far the most common in that time and appears consistently in the late 90s top selling titles. Very few titles were ever produced with 3DFX boards in mind. Damaged? Well then every card must be damaged, given I had other collectors test with theirs and the results were identical. So indeed, great work on our part for actually doing independent testing, instead of listening to some random moron on the internet who's still mad that a chip designer from before they were born no longer exists. I get it, in a way, as I miss C&T, but at least have the integrity to admit they were rapidly outclassed by other vendors before being absorbed by Intel.