Hiking Gear I Wish I Didn't Buy (& What I Wish I Got Instead): Rain Jackets

[@bryantibbals2110]

Black Diamond Stormline stretch (now the “Fineline”) is one of my favorite bits of kit. 2.5 layer system, 10,000 mm, pit zips, sub 10 oz. Highly recommend!

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for the recommendation! I'll have to check it out :)

[@paulpeopleperson3594]

In Ireland I have yet to find a jacket that does not wet out after several hours of rain, which is typical of the irish weather. My simple solution is for this is when downpours occur during day long rain showers I throw on a €2 poncho for an hour

[@MMM-28-28]

I'm Irish too, and in the process of upgrading all my gear, because of your comment I'm going to start using ponchos

[@jays7318]

All rain jackets are sweat boxes when backpacking difficult terrain . I most often use a water repellant wind jacket (:Patagonia Houdini) and a trekking umbrella. More breathable than the most expensive rain jackets at a fraction of the cost. An umbrella provides a dome of protection which is so convenient for looking at maps, etc. Bonus: These two combined are lighter than most rain jackets

[@jays7318]

@lt7388 The umbrella is hands free! Attached to my backpack shoulder strap

[@valaiopwep7990]

run into any wind or some terrain with trees around you and you're going to regret that

[@jays7318]

@@valaiopwep7990 Nope never regretted it even in those areas. I simply angle the umbrella into the wind or to avoid a branch. Still much more comfortable than a rain jacket.

[@billydorney9647]

Patagonia is a great brand,have a 3L , great in the rain etc

[@McBlamin]

Most trails in the East are "tight", don't lend themselves well to umbrellas. For the CDT, yeah, probably the best.

[@LindseyPhillips-z8n]

This is HANDS DOWN the most informative video I've seen on Rain Jackets. THANK YOU!

[@rangarajansreenivasan]

A very helpful video that comprehensively explains a rain jacket. This basically made my choice to purchase a rain jacket so easy. Kudos.

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for watching! I'm glad you found it helpful :)

[@declankavanagh8555]

Thank you for posting this video, and for the explanations on all the different aspects of rain jackets. I was about to go the Amazon way and make a big mistake. With this info, I can make a much more informed choice.... thanks !

[@groundupadventures]

You're welcome, I'm so glad it was helpful! Let me know if you have any questions as you look; I know it's frustrating to have to overthink these decisions, hopefully you're able to find the right rain jacket for your needs! Happy trails :)

[@GrowGuru420]

These videos are a lifesaver if your are trying to buy any outdoor gear!

[@groundupadventures]

I'm so glad they've been helpful! Let me know if theres anything specific you want to see in the future :)

[@TheNoobHiker]

Thank you for making this video. I purchased the REI Rainer last year and have used it a couple of times in brief rain, but I also avoid hiking in rain. As I get more into hiking, I have learned avoiding rain is difficult in the Northeast US. This video provided me some better options.

[@groundupadventures]

Let me know if you end up checking out another option! NE definitely makes it hard to avoid rain haha 😄

[@archie2archie]

The Rab kinetic 2.0 is a great general purpose rain jacket, with enough breathability can be worn when not raining without building up a sweat. Montane and Mountain Equipment are two other UK brands worth a look.

[@groundupadventures]

I've heard great things about both of them! Just always been a Rab fan :) thank you for watching!

[@earlyhuntergatherer]

I second this. Rab Kinetic 2.0 jacket and trousers are a great option for anyone that runs hot. I'd never go back to Gore Tex.

[@cedarrockcabin3633]

I just purchased the Patagonia Torrentshell 3L jacket as I live in an area of Appalachia that gets a lot of rain and a lot of unpredicted rain. I am not a super sports person so didn't need the best of the best but I wanted something waterproof. I just received it and believe it will be exactly what I'm looking for, especially at $120 & change on sale - albeit not a color I would have chosen but who cares. My compromises I was fully aware of: It's definitely noisy, good for keeping bears away. right?; the hood cinch cord is awkward, but I hope with practice will become easier; and lack of an inside chest pocket, but the 2 hand pockets are gracious sizes. Now I can't wait for it to rain!

[@billydorney9647]

Great rain jacket

[@zhuochen8092]

The Rab recommendation is really intriguing! I typically run hot when hiking, trail running, and fastpacking.

[@groundupadventures]

Its SO good haha I could probably make a whole separate video raving about that jacket. I also run hot when I'm adventuring especially anything uphill haha. Its been a great option over the years

[@zhuochen8092]

@@groundupadventures Just got it a week ago for $170. Feels really nice. Thanks~

[@groundupadventures]

@@zhuochen8092 you found it on a good sale! Glad you're liking it :)

[@1young-geezer]

Wow, that was clear and informative, well spoken and experience based. Loved it. Didn't know there were all these parameters. Live in the southwest where I get caught in the occasional downpour, but I don't hike, I carry a jacket on my motorcycle, and now I need to review what that REI jacket is and maybe look for something like your Patagonia jacket. Thanks so much for making so much more clarity, especially to us "newbies".......

[@groundupadventures]

Thank you so much for this feedback, I appreciate you! Wishing you the best of luck with your search and let me know if there's every anything else you want to see :)

[@nameunknown007]

How do people find ounces a good measuring scale when we have grams I always wonder

[@EspressoDrinker]

THIS is the video of all videos for rain jackets and relevant information. I bought the Black Diamond Stormline Stretch which has all the features I was looking for and looks great as well. Thanks for this.

[@stephanszymanski9348]

Very comprehensive thank you, I agree I don’t get why many companies don’t publish specs of mm rating or breathability

[@groundupadventures]

Thank you for watching! It's mind boggling to me truly

[@richardroberts8742]

Look at Paramo, love mine and it keeps me dry in all conditions. Super comfy and quiet. They don’t have a waterproof rating the same as others due to how they work but in the end you are dry. The6 also do lightweight versions.

[@groundupadventures]

I've heard great things!! Honestly never heard of them before I made this video. I'd be apprehensive to try anything that doesn't have a rating so this is great feedback, thank you :)

I switched my rainjacket (Helikon Tex Squall Hardshell) to an umbrella and a rainponcho.

[@Jedwoods]

last year (after struggling with goretex, pertex shield, H2NO etc for years) I bought a Páramo waterproof jacket, and have fallen in love. It's the only thing I've ever used that's kept me *actually dry,* from both rain and sweat when active

[@groundupadventures]

Totally looking into them! Thank you for the rec :)

[@leighrobinson]

@@groundupadventures I’m being a bit snarky here, but they fail outright the hydrostatic test so you might think them a safety issue… Seriously though an otherwise good video is a bit marred by the confirmation bias attributing HH to outright waterproofing in rain conditions. It’s marketing nonsense that everyone seems to buy into that shouldn’t be further promulgated. If Hilleberg fly sheets are “only” 2-3000 HH I think a jacket claiming 30,000 is technical nonsense.

[@wobblysauce]

@@leighrobinson That and pit zips are not needed on good items, arm bicep zips work better with a backpack.

[@MrPanzerDragoon]

Thank you for posting this video! I bought my Patagonia Torrent Shell from Zappos back in 2014. It has served me so well over so many years and downpours! The unfortunate part is that the inner lining of my jacket has started to flake off and I tried to get it repaired by Patagonia, but they sent it back and said they can no fix it anymore. I want to find some way to self-repair it. For now, the neck area is delaminating a lot, but it still does it's job!

[@groundupadventures]

I'm so sorry to hear about the delamination :( That's definitely a bummer after years of use!

[@MrPanzerDragoon]

@groundupadventures I still love it! Regardless of the flaky condition! It still works!

[@robertsmentkowski312]

Helly Hansen marine grade rain jacket & bib are 100% waterproof. Only wearable below 55F - 14C. This is for backcountry hunting & camping from fall to spring. Worn on Alaskan crab boats

[@ericzehrung5501]

Thank you for the video. Breathability can definitely be quantified, but only a handful of manufacturers provide the information in the form of g/m²/24hr. (JIS L1099 B-1). It makes a big difference to overall performance.

[@4ndj]

hard to imagine a more in-depth review of the rain shell scene, thanks for all the info!

[@groundupadventures]

I'm glad you found it helpful!

[@RegEdmunds]

My greatest regret when I started to hike was to buy a rain jacket and waterproof trousers, never, never again! I bought an Altus full zip poncho from Spain, ideal for me, if condensation builds up I just open the full zip and the inside rapidly dries.

[@shwesoni]

You ever been in wind?

[@RegEdmunds]

Yes, ponchos can flap about a bit when windy but not a problem, I just carry a length of elasticed cord (cut to my size) with two small plastic hooks attached. If it gets windy the cord just goes around my waist on the outside of my poncho, I can hook and unhook in a couple of seconds when I need too.

[@Camelotsmoon]

There's a reason why something as simple a design as a poncho has stuck around for so long.. it works, and it works well without being overly complex

[@xthinker88]

@@Camelotsmoonand it is multipurpose. Shelter. Pack cover.

[@Mafteer]

It will be funny wear a poncho with 50km/h or more in a storm.

[@wmarian5027]

Happy to have a rainjacket discussion. Super confusing products out there. Why are so many rain jackets NOT waterproof?

[@user-qg2zd1nv1r]

I got 5 Patagonia Torrens 3L rain jackets for all members of my family and 2 friends. Gortex is only good in snowy areas, rain proof is a different story. Love Torrens 3L.

[@groundupadventures]

Wow, you are a great family member and friend!! That's such a kind gift :) truly can't go wrong with it!!

[@kid5Media]

Patagonia made a deal with Gore years ago to use their fabric but not have to call it Gore-Tex.

[@falcon113306]

thanks for the info. I am from Canada looking for a shell and I did not know that...

[@billydorney9647]

I've one aswell and was caught up in rain for 5 hours - no problem

[@johncurtis142]

Great little breakdown. Articulated well. Cheers....well done

[@groundupadventures]

Thank you so much for your kind words, I appreciate you!

[@MSportsEngineering]

I purchased a Patagonia Torrent this year and it's a dud. The jacket "wets out" with any rain, meaning the water does not bead but soaks in. This happens even if the jacket is freshly washed. Also, the H2No logo started wearing away in the first month.

[@nickhtk6285]

Best video on rain jackets Ive watched. Subbed.

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for watching and for being here! If there's ever anything else you want to see, let me know!

[@_Terc_]

The Torrentshell is amazing until you have to hike for a long time with it. The pockets lack waterproof zippers, and you end up with pools of water in them. I almost lost my phone, thankfully, I had it in a ziploc bag.

[@nilredowski]

VS the rain i mostly use a poncho, its quite cheap, light and compact.

[@marley84]

Great informative video! One of the best on KZbin about this topic and I watched them almost all. Keep up with good work! I hope that you will record hikings also

[@groundupadventures]

Thank you for the kind words! I appreciate you watching.

[@drfranca1985]

Poncho for the win

[@groundupadventures]

Haha depending on the adventure, totally, just don't last well in my opinion

[@josephk7530]

I bought the Helly Hansen Loke over the REI Rainer. Both on sale for around $70.

[@XPac-lj7jk]

Please do another vid featuring all the hoods up of each of these jackets - would be super helpful

[@chrs1968]

You do what you do and keep doing it, stay happy

[@fr33water]

Great advice here Shelby, awesome video ✌🏽

[@groundupadventures]

Thank you for watching! I'm so glad you found it helpful! :)

[@littlebanshee]

Any thoughts of Aspire 3L Jacket? I always read amazing things about it but am curious if you’ve tried it and have thoughts on it.

[@y.schang7336]

The choice of rain jacket depends on each person's hiking and climbing speed and habits. But I'd respect that each other's judgments can be different.

[@groundupadventures]

This is very true everyone is different and what is best for a different environment can vary widely!

[@falcon113306]

the best video I saw...finally someone take time to explain in a "simple" way the technical specifications of the jackets...

[@mgsharnhorst]

I have had several "breathable" rain jackets.... they never ever work. They always soak through. The only jackets that work are 100% waterproof, non breathable jackets or ponchos. I dont mind getting rained on while hiking in warm months. I change and put my rain gear on when done. BTW, ponchos allow for great air circulation

[@jonathan6761]

Any views on the Rab phantom pull on? Specs looks crazy

[@ssss3301]

Wow! I learned so much from watching this video! Thanks for sharing your wisdom with everyone!

[@drytool]

Gore (with a vested interest) is the company who makes the waterproof "standard" for rain jackets

[@dkurnik3135]

Thank you for making this video. I appreciate your detail and expertise. I agree with you re: the REI Rainier jacket. I am surprised that REI sells it - it is the worst rain jacket I’ve used. I went to a 49er football game with steady, light rain. The brand new jacket wetted out after 20 minutes. Based on your (and others) review, I plan to purchase the Torrentshell. Have you heard of and tried Analogy Directional technology (like Páramo brand jackets)? This technology makes a lot of sense to me and would like your opinion.

[@groundupadventures]

Wow, that’s pretty disappointing to hear about the REI jacket. I’m glad you found a good alternative and let me know what you think about it once you get to try it out!

[@sandratorres8396]

Extremely helpful

[@groundupadventures]

Thank you for watching friend, I appreciate you! Happy trails :)

[@romanpetak3775]

Rab Downpour 2 is a great choice

[@groundupadventures]

I absolutely love Rab. Such high quality and lasts forever

[@alangauld6079]

Good informative material for those buying a first waterproof jacket but, coming from the UK, I'm surprised by the figures. Over here anything below 10,000 units is considered showerproof rather than rainproof and most outdoors folks look for at least 20000 units (for both head and breathability) And your prices are way lower than we'd spend too. Anything below $200 is budget and a good jacket costs between $300 and $600. Also one of the most popular brands here is Paramo which is a non-shell based jacket, which relies on the jacket material pumping the water back out faster than it can come in (not to be confused with "breathability" which only passively allows water *vapour* to escape).

[@DocRobotnik]

I don't know about those prices. Rab sell 20,000 waterproof rain jackets for £120 (sub-70 on offer). Plenty of cheaper choices

[@alangauld6079]

@@DocRobotnik Yes, but those are, as I said, considered budget jackets. As an example of what I mean, a recent Trail magazine review of "winter waterproofs" ranged in price from £195 to £600. The £195 one was described as "adequately protective" for "those who prioritize price over performance". The "best value" award went to the £340 Paramo. Paramo start at £250 and go up to £400 and they are considered mid-table prices.

[@ZachAgape]

thanks for a good and pleasant comparison/review! i'm 100% with you on not understanding why brands conceal certain key data for the products they sell… ofc we do know why: for profit. It's easier to oversell an item for which you're not transparent. But this should stop, arguably should be banned. It's like if food or medical companies were allowed to sell you things without telling you the ingredients!

[@bbd1254]

Please review some paramo jackets. They do not have a waterproof rating, but it is because the waterproof rating system doesn’t make sense for their method of keeping you dry. It is not a membrane style system and it is supposedly completely breathable and keeps you totally dry without trapping in heat and moisture like membranes do.

[@bbd1254]

Ben vallack has a few videos about it. It seems really viable but I am curious to hear more opinions

[@grahamriley8124]

I wear Paramo. More so in the winter and early spring and late autumn. A bit warm in the summer but then what isn’t. The comfort is unparalleled: soft, supple and slip over or under any thing else you might wear really well. They dry very quickly too. Worn them in a variety of conditions bar multi day heavy rain. Never had any problems. I particularly like mine for winter cycling. Nothing beats them for that. However, without a laminate you cannot sit on them the pressure means water goes through.

[@long-long.]

Paramo are heavy, run warm and need constant reapplication of DWR coating. Great jackets otherwise.

[@buds8423]

@@grahamriley8124 then backpacking would cause leak at shoulders?

[@roele2413]

@@buds8423 some have extra shoulder patches

[@mzoetelief7884]

Have you tried a jacket from Paramo? I read great comments about this brand.

[@robz4825]

Awesome and informative breakdown. Im looking to purchase my first rain jacket and want to do it right. Is there any reason you didnt choose gortex material? Thats what ive been looking at. TIA

[@onmyway111]

Tjanks , very informative, aboit to pirchase the Patagonia 3L , love the orange also

[@jcb0920]

Could you also just use your hardshell? I'm loving my Himali Monsoon as it checks so many boxes. Admittedly, I don't live in an area of the Country that gets a ton of rain.

[@groundupadventures]

Definitely! The downside to that is it will likely heat you up more, but nothing that can't be solved by simply unzipping and rezipping quickly to dump some heat :) big fan of using what you have especially if you don't need it often!

[@SerbianHillbilly]

When outer layer gets soaked, you get soaked too. Membrane is a big PoS...

[@ChristineIrlbacher]

What are your thoughts of the anti-gravity gear rain jacket?

[@dreamship563]

I use Arcteryx Beta Ar jacket. That jacket is an absolute beast. Never got wet in it. Expensive but still going strong after 12 years :) Rab Kangri gtx is my 2. choice.

[@littlebanshee]

Would hope it’s more than good , it’s one of the most expensive I’ve seen. Their jackets always have a nice look to them and quality always looks really good.

[@Crazyoldman84]

Tog 24 make good jackets

[@williamburton307]

Very well done video

[@groundupadventures]

I'm glad you liked it! Happy trails!

[@davidstembridge1262]

I have had a REI Rainier Rain Jacket in March 2024, and it doesn't repel water anymore. This jacket fits great however, how do the Patagonia Torrentshell 3L Jackets fit regarding "tall" ? I'm not sure how this would differ on ladies sizes. Any idea?

[@AndersRamm]

6:47 can’t find that link?? 😢

[@groundupadventures]

Ahh thank you!! I am having a hard time finding the link now, but basically you need a Nikwax combo - alnk.to/cHO9JqE. The Tech wash gets in and cleans all the grime out which is whats causing it to not work properly, and then the other bottle actually rewaterproofs. I'd say I wash mine 3-4 times and then that 4th time is when I go in and rewaterproof, since washing alone can restore the DWR. This video covers half of the process for down jackets, and then the next step would be adding the Tx Direct to re-waterproof :) instagram.com/p/C3nr0aDLxL_/ let me know if you have any other questions!

[@johneason6540]

This is a very informative video! Great job. A rain shell is a piece of survival gear, it must do its job 100% of the time. I use OR for years, its worked extremely well againt water pentration when cleaned and treated properly. But it sometimes not as breathable, but rarely a problem. I just purchased the EE Visp, bc of the pit zips, slightly longer for better coverage, it is ligsterkte than my OR, so we will see how durabke it will be. But, I hate the velcro type wrist cuffs, such a pain to deal with??? Plus we will see how well that works when the velcro get full of sand and dirt? Thanks for your good wirk.😅

[@Mab_belle]

What do you think of Helly-Hansen Crew midlayer sailing jacket with 5,000 mm? It's good for snow or just a light rain?

[@DaemonViews]

Wait that is not how it works, that hydrostatic pressure and in what type of rain you can thus wear it doesn't correlate. Hydrostatic head is exactly what it says. A pressure. The mm is a column of water set on a fabric. Given that rain doesn't really increase above a certain pressure, and this is quite low. Like, can you imagine a column of 10000 mm on top of your jacket? A backpack is something that can make you consider a higher hydrastatic head because your backpack pushes the water through. Go check tent floors hydrastatic head and then think that your body weight pushes on it and there can be water underneath it.

[@4ndj]

any thoughts on Outdoor Research 3L jackets?

[@littlebanshee]

Everywhere I’ve looked says amazing things about this jacket, I’ve researched it a lot and it’s always on top. It’s more expensive $200-300 but sales can help. I’m about to go with this jacket for myself.

[@4ndj]

@@littlebanshee i got the Torrentshell 3L for $200, it has been perfect so far :)

[@davidalderson7761]

with what appears to be a DWR reformulation which means the stuff wears off in weeks or months now and the jacket treated wet out, i now have a £20 non breathable hooded Poncho to keep the worst of the rain off. My newest jacket was wetting out in a few months after purchase so DWR now compared to years ago hmmmmmmm perhaps its useless.

[@fabiocunha211]

I have the exact same problem! I can only trust my 20€ poncho from decathlon 😂

[@bee_marshall]

I wish the Torrentshell would put on a better zipper and ditch those storm flaps

[@4ndj]

bring the rain Olympiaaaa xD

[@jimbrown8313]

Rain jackets may be ok but the fact of having all the pitzips and vents demonstrates that it is not breathable. If you need a rain jacket, then you probably want rain pants as well. And, only in my opinion, that all is too much of a headache. Even with just the jacket, if the weather is unsettled. Stop Drop pack. Take out. Put on. Get all ready to go again. Or misting just enough that you will eventually get too wet. I use a poncho. I can flip it over my head so it lays over my pack. Pull it back if rain picks up. Or even take it off. I can still put it on with barely even a pause. It ventilates. On the bottom I wear shorts or light nylon pants. I buy Duluth light pants with lots of pockets.

[@groundupadventures]

Hey, thanks for watching! I explained all this in the video, but additionally mentioned that the pit zips serve a very specific purpose: dumping excess heat. They're not meant to stay open. When you're hiking, you're building up heat; having a way to release that without unzipping your core is essential for some folks. And sometimes rain pops up in areas that you absolutely cannot stop in, like exposed ridges, mountain terrain, etc. Having something to protect you from the elements, including wind, can help keep you safe until you get down to a good spot to hunker down. I don't even use rain pants because I find them too hot and overall not necessary for the areas I hike in, however that wouldn't be the case if I lived somewhere like the PNW. Appreciate you sharing your opinion :)

[@ryaniam22]

I combine both. A rainjacket with with poncho overtop in really heavy rain. Just the jacket in cold weather like -5 to -20 celcius hunting in Canada for blocking the wind (nothing to do with rain). Note that in all these jackets breathability increases the colder it gets outside so they are actually surprising comfortable in cold weather. In hot weather just get rained on lol its more comfortable lol

[@gorodph]

Then how would you explain why double Ventile cotton jacket are waterproof in real rain, even though the HH is only 500-700 mm?

[@ak6143]

HH was a product of the sailing industry. Great gear thats super underrated

[@MrPookiexL3oi]

Thanks for the detailed review.

[@DPM-dp9on]

Great, hard hitting video. Thank you.

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for taking the time to watch! I'm glad it helped :)

[@samuelbuettner1214]

Umbrella + shitty rain jacket worked great for me on the pct

[@groundupadventures]

Love that! I know folks that swear by bringing an umbrella, I just can't get myself to carry something extra 😆

[@dapperdan1068]

Really liked your video, thank-you. Question: would the Rab Kinetic 2.0 allow in rain via pressure from the back straps of a light day pack?

[@groundupadventures]

Not in my experience :) I've never had it fully saturated despite wearing it in some pretty gnarly storms

[@drytool]

No Buffalo or Paramo systems?

[@TheTrailDancer]

What city are you in?

[@johnnybyup]

What are your thoughts on Patagonia granite crest vs 3L torrent jacket? Thanks

[@redesignedlife777]

Granite crest feels lighter and softer compared to 3L.

[@logstriketech6360]

hard disagree on the last ive used the torrent shell 3L and id have to wholeheartedly disagree. my brand new jacket wet out on a light rain in southern california, unbelievably disappointed. if i took it where i live in the tropics im sure it would be even worse. i bought an arcteryx beta ar after and have had 0 issues with it. so waterproof that i can stand under a waterfall and be dry.

[@thekraken48]

Great video. Thanks

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for watching :)

[@Just4Gordon]

Just a suggestion: bring up the lighting in your studio, looks dark and murky ❗️

[@groundupadventures]

Thank you!! Getting the hang of this still haha

[@crazy4beatles]

I took a risk on a Mountain Hardwear Stretch Ozonic Jacket - 2.5 membrane and was on sale for $75. I tried the Patagonia Torentshell and it was just too stiff and loud. And heavier/bulkier packed up. Kinda random reasons. But I wanted to make sure I actually take my rainjacket with me and since I tend to travel a lot, the versatility of something that I could wear as a regular jacket but also to hike in nudged me towards the MH. And the price.

[@Braakorv]

Nice video thanks! Consider adding metric system when showing weight

[@zhuochen8092]

Something you might not know: you can convert units with Google.

[@Braakorv]

​@@zhuochen8092 why are you stating the obvious?

[@zhuochen8092]

@@Braakorv So you do know how to do it.

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for this! It took a lot of time to make this video and I was just trying to get the info out, but appreciate your input!

[@steveglennan]

Good info!

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for watching!

[@arthurreyes2632]

All this talk about rain jackets, you should also carry a poncho. 10 essentials.

[@groundupadventures]

This isnt talked about enough!

[@rlbrown]

Thank you kindly.

[@groundupadventures]

Thank YOU! Happy trails :)

[@beanzbeanz]

Screw this. I’m going back to garbage bags.😊

[@Ethesis]

I’ve used garbage bags more than once

[@user-jn8ul4on5j]

I wanna see you use it. 😃

[@Sco1ful]

Anything with Goretex. Not for me. And living in Scotland I know about rain. 😂

[@groundupadventures]

Yes you do! Are you not a fan because of breathability, or what do you dislike about it?

[@tarab2745]

@sco1ful I’m heading to Scotland for a hike in the fall. Do you have a recommendation for a rain jacket

[@Sco1ful]

@@groundupadventures 100% the breathability, it technically works as a fabric but it depends so much on interior conditions of the jacket, temperature you create and % moisture (relative humidity), exterior temperatures here are cool and can almost guarantee at any time of the year above 2000ft in Scotland you will not be much more than 10degC. So hot wet air hitting a cool surface (breath on window) it will coalesce to water droplets. My arms in any goretex are simply dripping as if I hadn't had any rain protection on. You need to couple this with the fact you need air circulation for it to work effectively and most jackets have velcro or elasticated cuffs which prevent air flow. Pit zips/vents work well for me. On shorter walks I wear a cheap 10000mm static head jacket which I know will allow some rain in but I can guarantee will allow moisture back out. So you may be damp below your jacket but never drenched. Works for me but others may disagree. And always remember no matter how fancy your jacket is, there's a great big hole at the top where yer head sticks out that will allow water in. 😀

[@Sco1ful]

@@tarab2745 read above reply 👍👍

[@long-long.]

Goretex is for winter conditions and low humidity. Scotland is high humidity year round no matter what the weather is.

[@mro4056]

"Breathable"? Guess which test method a clothing manufacture uses to promote their products? In total, there are at least 13 recognized MVTR testing methods: ASTM E96 (Desiccant Method and Water Method) ASTM E398 ISO 15496 BS 7209 JIS L1099 Inverted Cup Method Gravimetric Method ASTM F1249 ISO 11092 (Ret or Hohenstein Test) EN 31092 BS 3546 AATCC 127 JIS Z0208

[@nameunknown007]

You can share a 1 minute overview of all 4, I played at speed 2 and fast forwarded a bunch of times lol

[@Moosehilloutfit]

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[@ratkoperic]

Took some time to understand what you were saying since these jackets are actually called Hardshell jackets, not rain jackets

[@KevinMai]

Arc’teryx

[@groundupadventures]

They're great but above my price range

[@evgenybykov5419]

Спасибо за исчерпывающий рассказ. Ну, прям сорока. Успехов!

[@adif7542]

It's incredible people forget things they learned in school physics lessons. Breathable membranes only work in very specific conditions, cold dry climates. Gore-tex is the worst for propagating these marketing claims. It is DWR that makes a new waterproof item seem waterproof by making it runoff. The key to waterproof clothing is ventilation. A plastic mac is more waterproof than any breathable rain jacket; however, there needs to be adequate ventilation such as pit zips and side, arm and back vents. Anyone who wants waterproof clothing needs to accept that they may at times feel damp. This realisation has led to the growing popularity of non-waterproof waterproof clothing such as Ventile, Paramo and other similar softshell products, even hiking umbrellas! Finally, a waterproof should only be worn when it is raining (Precipitanumber of shocks me the number of people I hear complaining about their hardshell waterproofs while wearing them in conditions other than rain. A waterproof jacket is not the correct clothing to protect you from a cold wind. A cheep breathable windproof jacket is best to wear as an outer-shell garment. I would advise avoiding windproof fleeces and the like, they have all the problems associated with waterproof when it comes to breathability and comfort.

[@jamesking4225]

Montbell that is all

[@bryanmclean6898]

This video: you need a bajillion mm hydrostatic head to survive the PNW! Spend $200 for your 1 pound jacket or you’ll die! Every PCT hiker: yeah this is my trusty Frogg Togg. Cost me $25 at Walmart and weighs 5 ounces.

[@groundupadventures]

But will last you like max 2 weeks on the trail haha I've had Frogg Toggs: they work alright, but they fall apart :/

[@patrickcoyne1292]

@@groundupadventuresmust be pretty rough on equipment if you can kill a jacket in 2 weeks.

[@TheREALMuad-dib]

Anytime someone recommends REI, I stop listening to anything they say after that.

[@groundupadventures]

Welp good thing I didn't recommend it in this video ;)

[@TheREALMuad-dib]

3:55, also you have the crappiest REI backpack and black diamond shoes on the wall behind you because someone at REI told you those were both decent pieces of gear. They aren't. They probably also sold you a membership and a "bonus card" with the two. If you want to play semantics though, I'll correct myself. Anytime someone cites REI as a credible source, I stop listening. You're also behind on jacket tech, 30,000 was the top of the tier a few years ago but not today.

[@border304]

Hydrostatic head is a nonsense metric. Rain isn't high pressure. Even here in Scotland.

[@funNactive1]

Disney, why completely changed the story and keep the original title? Just make a new show. (Woke Girl Boss telling her Magical Creatures [not slaves] what to do)

[@cosmicbear88-23]

"Waterproof" and "Breathable" are contradictory terms. Its one or the other. If a jacket is soaked in water, it isn't exchanging air or moisture and you sweat underneath. Think about it, if it keeps water out, it must keep water in as well. If you want breathability and dryness, use an umbrella. Also, i think these "waterproof ratings" are such BS. Again, it's either waterproof or it isn't. Everything else is water resistant. Meaning it will stop some water but eventually get wet. That's not waterproof.

[@victorslach2384]

No

[@cosmicbear88-23]

@@victorslach2384 yes

[@groundupadventures]

Thanks for the thought-provoking comment! It's certainly a difficult balance.

[@MrFergusferret]

Check out the Buffalo jackets