Hill climb with GT S-Series at 1% battery!

[@Tiki.i.i]

Even if it was the same board, the fact that its not reproduceable says a lot.

[@MaxxSend]

Facts, it wasn't even close. Either way, I invited them to come out and show us. Let's see if it's more than crickets this time.

[@quangyung6751]

If they don't respond that's a sign. The fact that at 5 percent it couldn't get done let alone 1 percent.@@MaxxSend

[@turningmagnets]

​@@MaxxSendmore than crickets? We had plans to climb this hill and compare and then you went out and did it without me lol

[@MaxxSend]

@@turningmagnets what plans? Never heard any logistics suggestions from u and we never set anything up! Also u guys hit the hill while knowing I'm in San Jose lol Anyway let's go, what's the schedule looking like?

[@turningmagnets]

@@MaxxSend lol you forgot? That's convenient.

[@markgarry7866]

Just got a floatwheel. 1/2 price of one wheel...better, faster, more torque, way better customer service. And you can actually work on it yourself and modify it all you want... Floatwheel- simply a better company and much better product!!!

[@milesonewheelwinter]

For those of you guys that flowed around on concrete perhaps. For the trail riders and racers, you don't see a lot of them and there's a reason.

[@stewartciesla8142]

Talk about a paidad advertisement!

[@mlastudioproductions]

Remember Factory Riders are paid advertisements

[@onewheelavenue]

Bullshit, and just overall a really lame statement. I've met the Silvas and they are really nice people who obviously really love Onewheels and are very good, a couple of the best even, at riding them. Nobody gets this level of good at something if they don't love what they are doing. By putting the Factory Riders down you are just painting yourself as an advertisement for pointless negativity.

[@robertallen4378]

To be fair, Neil's board did the low battery beeps when he reached the top, so he must have actually been at 1%.

[@quangyung6751]

Probably a special unlocked board. That's why the challenge to go there and both party test the same board that's not straight from FM. I think abit of trickery is going on there. The proof is in the pudding.

[@surfdado]

I wonder if there's any regrets about sharing Neil's 1% climb video - because it really sets false expectations. I bet if you picked 10 random FM boards (even if you restricted it to boards less than 6 months old), 9 of them will not even let you ride to 1%, let alone climb a hill at 1%. Neil's board sure is not representative of the average GTS or any FM board

[@MaxxSend]

I don't know why some people doubt Neil was at 1%. You think a pro factory rider doesn't know what his percentage is at?😄Also he shows his app at 1% from his vid. But what was the intention of demonstrating full torque at 1%? Maybe Eamon's board is defective. If it is, his and all other GTSs should be fixed.

[@MaxxSend]

@@surfdado this is exactly my point. If you're gonna market a sponsored vid showcasing full torque, shockingly impressive performance at 1%, people should be allowed to feel a somewhat close performance too, without the board shutting off starting at 12%. Also what kind of precedent does that set for people to try a steep hill climb at lower battery % with the higher possibility of a cut out, especially on actual trails with cliffs and steep drop offs🤷‍♂

[@Eryktion]

Sk8boarding has El Toro and Lion 25 and Floating has the hill at Lake Cunningham Park, by the skatepark (San Jose)

[@MaxxSend]

iconic, infamous spot now

[@FloatinCanada]

Man after looking at the comments i think some people actually believe neil has a special board or firmware. Im pretty sure max was just poking guys. Theres no reason to believe that the pro riders are lying about going up a hill. Yes theres a lot of things they probably arent allowed to say or show but its not some big conspiracy theory. Yall need to relax, these guys get to ride at least 10x more than most riders. They will have drasticslly more skill and be in tune with their rides. For them to meet with max and to set a date for it to be recorded has to be approved by FM. They are paid athletes now, they cant create content without going through proper channels. Im a vesc rider, will never buy a fm board again after selling all of mine off 2 years ago, but for real, this isn't a conspiracy. We can Joke about it to egg on the pro riders to come out to the community more though and I'm sure thats what max is doing. :) I do hope they actually meet up. And I'm all for egging them on. They chose to be in the position they are in now, for good reason, but they will get some hate because they are no longer the voices of the community and no longer have the same freedom to say whatever they want. But lets keep having fun and understand that these are still real people. We don't need conspiracy theories, we have enough of those outside of the monowheel community lol. Float on my friends. Im excited for next season, more ADVs/vescs means more trails we can explore that were not part of our ability before!

[@MaxxSend]

well said man! Again, never made any accusations at them, just some questions arise naturally of the condition of Eamon's board from the huge difference of what we feel vs what we saw. Obviously we aren't paid pros, but I've been riding for quite some time and have a decent idea how to feather an uphill climb. Just hard to fathom such a huge difference. Has the last 1.5 years riding vesc changed my muscle memory that much? Either way, we shouldn't take everything they market as gospel, things should be tested in the field to either confirm or provide a different perspective. I just simply can not accept the possibility that the riders have electrically modded boards because if that were to be exposed the downfall would just be too great.. In the end we'd just love to see them demonstrate that hill climbing prowess on Eamon's board, especially at 1% without the board shutting off. Neil, Austen and I go way back to the early days of riding, and all 3 of us made it to the TFL team together. Hoping to meet up for a friendly show down, and for ol time's sake.

[@celestewilliams5681]

I have a GT that I'm VESCing and rhe controller was shutting off with the same behavior at as high as 70%, and at slow speeds. We talked to a shop about the controller and its cheaper to vesc it

[@MaxxSend]

oh wow that sounds more like a bad cell in your battery pack. how do you know it was the controller? Either way, when you feel the power and smoothness of vesc, you ain't gonna go back!

[@devrim1134]

Neil looked at his telephone and said it was on 1%. They won’t show up or proof it. Impossible even with a cat riding it, making that hill with 1% on a gts, period!

[@mrrooter601]

Ive never ridden a board like these before, but after seeing some videos on FMs "wonderful" business practices and "build quality" I started checking out videos like this. It is definitely entertaining seeing them (FM) get called out, plus seeing floatwheel outdo them in every way is a laugh. I'm hoping that sort of innovation and competition drives the prices on these things to a more accessible level, they seem really cool. subbed

[@MaxxSend]

thx for the sub. It truly is impressive how floatwheel and diy vesc boards outperform the fm boards in almost every way now except weight, and for much lower price than gts. The biggest thing is that we shouldn't take fm's sponsored vids automatically as gospel. Claims and performance demonstrations should be tested to confirm or provide an alternative perspective. Hoping to be shown one day how to keep the board from shutting off at high load at less than 10% battery.

[@quangyung6751]

Now that the factory team has turned to the dark side it's hard to believe anything they say and do. They are paid now to promote. Untill they actually go with you there and try it with the same board that you have than I'll believe it. Neil could have a special board that's unlock to have better torque.

[@uhjyuff2095]

Dark side, Light side, I don't know anymore, but I do like the entertainment!

[@MaxxSend]

Hoping we can set something up! I haven't heard back from my comment on their 1% vid. Would love to be enlightened on how to hill climb with a gts, especially at 1%🤩🤭

[@sdmods619]

​@MaxxSend Isn't Austin lighter than you? Maybe psi makes a difference? Try his line - he came in from left diagonally up to the right flat side with no ridges and zagged back to the left. You can't just go straight up it.

[@MaxxSend]

@@sdmods619 we tried all the lines, right side, far right, middle, all similar results. Eamon is 170, I'm 175. I even invited a 130lb 1st place grom, 3rd place amateur racer to try and he never made it all the way up the hill. The hill is so steep that if u zig zag ur way up u will lose momentum. At this point I'm not gonna be debating on technique with anyone other than the factory riders themselves. Just waiting on their schedule availability.

[@flowsolo]

Hard to trust a company like FM in an capacity.... Nothing ya can do but spread the word. #FFM

[@wayofflow955]

Maxx you should get people with the following controller and test riding up that hill, would make a good video! Also see if people has the 7” tire might make a different! Thor-300 Tronic-250r Little focer 3.1 Floatwheel v2

[@MaxxSend]

that would be tricky to find locals with all those setups! I should be able to get my hands on the thor 300 soon, so that'll be a blast to test. May not do another hill test for a while cuz seems some people are tired of it😆Instead I'll do time and temp tests on the King of the Hill course. Check out the segment kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKq7Z4Kgpqp4mNksi=0v0ABEu6lezskNBj

[@onedadonewheel]

I think FM's next board needs to come with an optional bluetooth remote like us VESC bois have. It would most likely climb it if the nose angle could be manipulated enough. That McNugget pendant is dope AF tho!

[@kabosune9097]

A bt remote dedicated to adjust one action? Dang, that's pretty hardcore. I'd rather just activate the action through my phone. Volume buttons should do the trick

[@teckno_senpai]

they are never innovative enough to do any of that. too busy with LaWsUiTs

[@turningmagnets]

Wish I could share videos of the prototypes we get to ride. That video was not one of them. It's a difficult hill and nose clearance becomes an issue. If you put the front bumper on the ground it's no longer an issue of torque. We climbed that hill 30+ times by finding the line that avoided all the pot holes and maintaining 2+mph momentum so as to not have to accelerate and put the nose into the ground.

[@thomasbjerregaard1080]

When will you make a meet up with Maxx at "the hill" and show him how it is done? Something tells me it won't happen, but I'm definitely open to being surprised!

[@FloatinCanada]

​@@thomasbjerregaard1080I think it might happen but the video won't show a comparison with vesc boards. It will likely be a video teaching maxx how to ride/avoid the bumps going up the hill. Gotta climb smart on the gts and avoid things it can't handle where vesc boards can power through.

[@thomasbjerregaard1080]

@@FloatinCanada i would personally be just fine with it not being a comparison between a vesc and a FM board, but unlike you, I don't think it will happen And I don't think it will happen on another then a Factory Team rider board, and they won't let other people ride that specific board, and they can't do it on another GTS board......so the above pretty much explain why I think they won't show up But again, I'm open to being positively surprised

[@danielosborne8228]

In the video, he's already riding at full speed down the trail, it isn't just starting at 0mph and powering up. IDK how much difference it makes but seems reasonable to assume the long run up helped.

[@FloatinCanada]

Entertaining as usual! No response about the challenge you put out there right? Lol Keep on riding! I'm looking forward to those next videos!

[@MaxxSend]

Thanks dude! Love doing the comparisons of top boards, and I believe the community deserves the info. Nah haven't heard anything, even from last time on their 1% vid. Hopefully they can enlighten us on Eamon's board!

[@FloatinCanada]

​@MaxxSend ok just wear a bubble when you push that ADV speed. Last thing we want to hear is you nosediving at 42mph and going to the hospital.

[@MaxxSend]

@@FloatinCanada tail draggin and taco-ing down the bumpy hill on the KOTH course is sketch too lol

[@fromeijn]

FFM! if they are only showing state of charge, make sure it is correct otherwise show more info, stack/cell voltage. I really hope they are going to fix this problem, but i dont expect much from FM.

[@travisharvey4439]

Likely, they give the factory riders a special tune.

[@dirtsurfindad]

Or there just greedy liars.

[@thomasbjerregaard1080]

I'd be surprised if you succeed in getting a show up or even a crooked answer from anyone who gets a FM paycheck I'm 99% sure it was on a "special" version of the GTS to save face

[@TheWillDConstruct]

Challenge: Outclimb the GTS with a VESC pint.

[@MaxxSend]

Oof that's just mean😆 a cbxr vesc can already outclimb the gts

[@surfdado]

The gosmilo challenge 😂

[@brodyport6395]

@@surfdadoOnewheel Surfing car!!

[@brodyport6395]

Downright disrespectful. But funny if possible.

[@MaxxSend]

looks like Tony is working on that now!

[@simonmccaughey]

Does someone have a link to the original video? I can't find it

[@brahamyoung1951]

Thx having coffee & watching From Braham. Downunder

[@KosteaBV]

Good job Maxx ! FM are a bunch of trolls, thanks for shaming these foccers in a polite and educative way 🤝

[@BillyShredder]

I really expected more from the Gts. They added so much voltage… and it still just doesn’t rip like VESC. 😢

[@MaxxSend]

So did I, really wanted to feel that power. I will say u can feel the additional power over gt on smoother uphill terrain, but we found the gts is more prone to nose dipping on fast uphill ruts than gt. At that price it's way out of line in terms of value to diy vesc and fw. Btw I'll be rockin your shred juice shirt in the next vid premiering at 1030am PST 😊🤟🏻

[@BillyShredder]

@@MaxxSend oh heck yah! I’ll be ready to watch.

[@surfdado]

maybe they should have added more amps ;)

[@BillyShredder]

@@surfdado they might need to read a copy of VESC vocabulary to figure out what that means 😆

[@celestewilliams5681]

is that a real chicken nugget on your necklace?? xD

[@MaxxSend]

Yes dipped with BBQ sauce after! Haha jk it's plastic, I love chicky nuggies.

[@tymaroney483]

When I saw the 1% video I said yeah right is that at 1%... but it's fucking Neil! If it was anyone else I'd say BS!

[@amann1231]

Maxx - You state in your two videos with the GT-S on this hill climb test that you are neutral party testing the board to report the results, and were even hoping the GT-S would perform well enough to add competitive capability to this product category. If that is really the case, why you have not done an updated video on this hill climb test with the GT-S equipped with its current gradient tracking firmware update? It has been over two-months now that the GT-S has been equipped with gradient tracking functionality, and yet you have not repeated this hill test, whereas your two existing GT-S hill test videos were both posted shortly after the GT-S release and shortly after the FM factory team's response video to your first video. The lack of an updated video post the GT-S's gradient tracking firmware update gives the distinct impression that you are not really interested in testing and showcasing the GT-S performance capability as a neutral party??

[@northshore_onewheel]

I just want to see y’all ride this hill down in the same ride mode 😂 Tail drag test next!

[@MaxxSend]

Stay tuned 🤣

[@MaxxSend]

Trying 0 ATR downhill was a blast! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKq7Z4Kgpqp4mNksi=0v0ABEu6lezskNBj

[@joe5834]

My GTS needs more juice at around 14% on any kind of small street hill.

[@TrooperManaic]

I think they may have changed the software since then.

[@OnewheelTrailsAZ]

It’s probably your posture

[@MaxxSend]

yep we are posture noobs

[@onewheelavenue]

I'd love to take this challenge but I live in Minnesota. Nevertheless, I've been doing my own hill tests in my area with the GTS and believe this hill is doable with the GTS. Of course I saw Neil's video so I know it is. At 1% though? I'm skeptical too so I admire your approach to hill climbing truth. Anyway, it looked to me like your GTS was giving up. Meaning, the footpad was disengaging when it shouldn't have even though you had "posi' d selected. Am I correct in this? I also saw the false start. I had similar problems with my GTS footpad even with posi selected. My solution was to take a partially deflated 10 lb medicine ball (if I had a heavier one I would have used it) and massage the footpad hardcore with it (with the board off of course - and reasonably warm) to break the footpad in a lot faster. This seemed to work and I haven't had a problem with it telling whether or not my foot is there but I haven't ridden it a whole lot since this is something I did very recently. Will be trying a more 'broken-in' footpad on hills soon.

[@MaxxSend]

Appreciate the support, simply trying to either confirm or provide a different perspective to their demonstration. No the board didn't disengage, it was shutting off completely due to BMS protecting the cells at low voltage sag under torque load at less than 12% (as it should). At this point we're hoping they can show that awesome 1% power on Eamon's GTS. And would be dope for you to come try one day! I set up an uphill and downhill racing segment at this hill: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKq7Z4Kgpqp4mNk

[@onewheelavenue]

@@MaxxSend Watched that King of the Hill video and man, I would really like to see how well I could do on this hill. Definitely would love to go to California again, but probably won't happen in 2024. Maybe in 2025.

[@deltax7159]

Where can we see Neil’s video?

[@deltax7159]

@@SoilSurfer someone link it, he has too many onewheel videos will take forever to find

[@justinyeh8235]

It's a typo, they meant 100% battery not 1%

[@MaxxSend]

I sure hope so, but it'd suck having that low battery warning beepin at full charge!

[@smelker]

Send the crap back!! If you pay that extra to get a pro board, it should performe as a pro board!

[@MaxxSend]

They never advertised it as having different versions, so if Eamon's board is "defective" or underpowered, all other gts should be "fixed" too!

[@brodyport6395]

@@MaxxSendsounds expensive

[@erosion01]

GTS still proving to be at the bottom

[@DSC1320]

I knew it was bs. At 1% it wouldn't even be possible to ask for current that's not even there. As I stated on the fm video. It's complete bull. Also he's riding a factory board so they have complete control over it. And could literally make it say 1% whenever and even could Initiate pushback and beeps remotely.

[@brycepeltz]

What shoes are those?

[@MaxxSend]

they're discontinued sadly, tried to get more.

[@ihazhedont]

In my opinion they just cranked up the cutoff current threshold. The XR was at 30A. The gts must certainly be higher, but still, you'll have a cutoff.

[@GlenoraFA]

So That's Eamon's GTS. And from what I gathered, Eamon rode GT before the GTS right? He doesn't have that much vesc experience?

[@MaxxSend]

Correct, he's just ridden pint, xr and gt previously. He also bought a Floatwheel but only rode it for a week before I broke it in a freak accident 😆 the thing is, Eamon now makes it up the hill easily on Floatwheel and diy superflux boards, still not all the way up on gts 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@GlenoraFA]

@@MaxxSend Perfect, I just wanted to make sure the factor that people are arguing about was covered. Someone that has plenty of experience riding FM boards couldn't make it up the hill but was able to with a vesc/fw even with very little experience riding vesc. That's a key factor in your video that should be pointed out. People can argue that you made it up because you have a lot of vesc experience and a lot less GT/GTS experience, but they can't use that argument with Eamon, or the kids.

[@Derek86ixt]

I guess Neil better show up 😏

[@MaxxSend]

he said he's down for the friendly competition🤷‍♂

[@MrDJLeeE]

It must be your posture 😂

[@MaxxSend]

Yes, also that chicken nugget necklace is heavy af! 🐥

[@wayofflow955]

Haha, they will never show up! They might sue you for making that video and ruining their reputation! Just joking! Base on the math gts should be able to make it if the controller output the max current to the motor, so maybe he was riding the next version of GTs extreme coming out next year!

[@c.daubz.5386]

Over priced board that bricks when changing battery

[@sdmods619]

You gotta zig zag to keep the wheel moving.

[@MaxxSend]

The hill is so steep if u zig zag aside from the very top u will lose your momentum. Just come on out one day and try for yourself, or on a hill similar to the incline here: 26/50% average grade, steepest part is 32/62.5%) at 1% battery. I even invited a 130lb podium racer and he couldn't make it all the way up at 100% 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@laurentbeauregard4666]

Is there a prize if I make it? I’ve got a free Saturday and always love a good W or a humbling loss 😅

[@MaxxSend]

@@laurentbeauregard4666 I mean I'm really more interested in the Factory riders making it up on 1%. But I tell you what let's wager a cup o' coffee if you can beat my uphill and downhill time here :) let me know when you can come for your W!

[@MaxxSend]

​@@SoilSurfer it's not that I care they do it at 1% again, but doing it on Eamon's board. If they're going to market a product as having that sort of impressive performance, that shouldn't just go untested right? Should we take everything they showcase as gospel? That's why I invite anyone with a GTS to try a similar hill at 1% and see if they can prevent the board from shutting off. Even at 12%. Can prove us wrong too. I understand rider skill is a factor, but I ain't exactly a beginner and it's hard for me to see the big difference in hill climbing ability. Granted, I've been riding vesc for the last 1.5 years, but I still know how to ride a onewheel. Sorta lol. Another huge point here is that we simply weren't able to keep the board staying on at 10% going similar speed, similar weight, without deliberately pressing the nose into the ground. We found it difficult electronically. Is this 100% rider skill? Who knows, hence the friendly invite to show us on Eamon's board, not theirs. And fyi Eamon is more biased for fm to succeed, so there was no undercutting of any sort, even from me.

[@MaxxSend]

@@laurentbeauregard4666 come try King of the Hill here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKq7Z4Kgpqp4mNk

[@gingerdude94]

Something 🐟🐟🐟😂

[@SMASHINGblargharghar]

GTS is weak but it shouldn't be. That beastly 1s battery should be capable of so much more.

[@thechickentendy3982]

27s1p

[@PhilCheplus]

I almost know every bump on this hill now ! 🤣 this place will be my place of pilgrimage ! #FFM

[@MaxxSend]

Hahah you'll either love or hate this hill, especially going down! Hmu if u ever make the pilgrimage 🫶🏻

[@aaronsantos1936]

Only way Neil did it is if it was a vesc gt with gts rails and said he did it at 1%

[@eBoard3R]

*Yewwwww* ⚡🤙🏼⚡

[@MaxxSend]

yewwhah👊

[@dbirds21]

pretty weak pev stuff. My euc would rip up that hill and launch off the top sending big air

[@jaefrmbk2k]

🤙🏾

[@GiovanniGiorgo]

If you were only a better rider you could have climbed that hill no problem 🤥

[@MaxxSend]

Absolutely, that's why I'm inviting them to come out and show me how to climb up on gts, especially at 1%. Not even a 130lb podium ow racer could make it all the way up at 100% 🤷🏻‍♂️ That vid comin soon

[@gergosnoo]

😅

[@obiwan-wheel8113]

TBH, Neil’s board doesn’t have haptic feedback. Buuuuuut, still BS. Why is the factory team acting like screen recording isn’t a thing on these phone apps? It’s disappointing when good riders go bad😢

[@turningmagnets]

Our boards have haptic. We were climbing this hill for 2 hrs killing the battery that's a long screen record. But you can see the board go red into low battery pushback in the video?

[@floatwheel]

​@@turningmagnets But, why Eamon's board behaves totally different from your board, you can see Eamon's GTS cut off at the foot of the hill at 14%, could you please kindly elaborate on that ?

[@turningmagnets]

@@floatwheel I feel like you already know the answer to that. Eamons battery likely needs to be balanced. Neils board was new out of the box with a full charge and was run from 100-1% continuously waiting for the battery sag to prevent the climb.

[@floatwheel]

@@turningmagnets So you are saying eamon's battery is not balanced, and if eamon's board is balanced, it will reproduce the results you guys have? if it still doesn't get up that hill after balancing his board, what could it be then? And why the onewheel BMS allows user to ride the board with a unbalanced battery pack, I mean, is that even safe to ride?

[@floatwheel]

@@turningmagnets It seems that a unbalanced battery pack will cause the board to shut off at14%, what if the rider is riding at speed? That could be a very serious injury right?

[@TheAnimeist]

This may sound stupid, but I think the trick is to not stuff the nose into the ground. It's more of a balancing act, and maybe speed is not the solution. Patients.

[@MaxxSend]

Absolutely, we were never trying to stuff the nose, we sorta get that part lol. And that's why Eamon was feathering it at 4:50 & 6:15 at 1%. Instead the board shuts off, especially the attempt at 4:50 going slow. Anyway, not even a 130lb ow podium racer made it up at 100% charge. How accessible is this power that people pay $3200 for? U decide 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TheAnimeist]

@@MaxxSend Yeah, I forgot about that while I was responding. If the board cuts out, there's no amount of balancing and patients that will work.

[@me_josh]

How do you think onewheel factory team keeps winning all them races? You honestly think they are riding the same board as everyone else🤣

[@turningmagnets]

There hasn't even been any races since the factory team was formed 🙄

[@aaronsantos1936]

Funny that no factory riders haven’t responded to the video. Unless ur gts is defective. And at that it should be repaired or replaced

[@turningmagnets]

He just posted the video lol y'all are wild

[@aaronsantos1936]

@@turningmagnets incite on this climb would be nice.

[@turningmagnets]

@@aaronsantos1936 what would you like to know? I have posted several comments already.

[@aaronsantos1936]

@@turningmagnets how come the gts couldn’t make it up the hill? Even at low battery and if there is a special way I think everyone would like to know.

[@turningmagnets]

@@aaronsantos1936 you have to keep the nose off the ground which takes a little bit of skill since you have to maintain some momentum on your way up. FM boards don't have ATR and torque tilt back that DIY boards use to keep the nose up over steep terrain.

[@annuet6454]

Jfc, here we go again, more high octane fuel to feed the Us vs Them fire. Yall putting new meaning to that saying “I will die on this hill” 😂

[@MaxxSend]

you got the wrong mentality man, it's testing their extreme demonstration of 1% power under full torque. you just gonna take everything they show as gospel without anyone testing it? Oh, and yes we all sorta almost died from the latest vid here 😅kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKq7Z4Kgpqp4mNk

[@annuet6454]

@@MaxxSend of course the one spot dude had to land was the only section with asphalt. Classic 😂 No, I don’t take what they say as gospel because I already know the GTS doesn’t have the same climbing power as vesc based boards. Pretty much everyone already knows that by now, which is why I feel like more videos on the topic only serves to feed fires. But theres Johnathan’s vid of the GTS making a steep climb while riders on a vesc and adv didn’t. That didn’t tell me those boards are actually trash because I’ve already seen plenty of evidence they can climb. Tony is obviously a very terrible rider but his board carried him right up a steep and deep ramp. Now, your first vid makes the GTS look pretty bad and the FFM people ate it right up and asked for seconds. Then along comes Neil and Austin to prove the GTS can actually make the same climb if ya feather it, which is actually more proof it doesn’t have the same power, yet is still capable. But instead of people accepting that it can climb, if the right rider is on it, FFM folks want to start claiming it’s all bs and that they are not to be trusted because they work for FM and that must mean they’re disingenuous, shills and sell outs trying to fool everyone. So, who’s actually got the wrong mentality? No, not you coz you’re just making content. But not me neither. 😂 Let’s just say it was refreshing to see TFL put out a video that had nothing to do with one wheels at all. No Us vs Them, just stoke, for everyone!

[@MaxxSend]

@@annuet6454 oh yea he was really annoyed about that asphalt sandwich landing lol So the thing I'm demonstrating here is not comparing gts to vesc, but that the board continually shuts off starting around 14% under uphill torque load. We were never able to get the gts to stay on past the lower part of the hill before the bms shut off the board (which is what it should be doing to protect the low voltage cells). This is in stark contrast to what they showcased at 1%. Yes I get that rider skill is involved, but we were feathering the nose and not trying to do anything to undercut the board's performance. Eamon is more biased for fm's success actually. It's not about trusting, it's about how far off the data is - the board won't even stay on at 14%! Lastly, for our experience climbing with the gts, we felt it nose dips on fast uphill ruts more easily than gt. Gt was consistently getting slightly higher than gts because it didn't nose dip as much, but gts overall made it higher when we tried many more times finding only the smoothest lines. Also it had to be in +3 nose and custom cranked up. How are those things equating to a realistic trail riding set up and situation? Not all trails are smooth and you're not gonna go downhill in +3 nose right. So that's how we factored our judgment of the gts performance from our own experience. This was the same agreement with Eamon and Andreas, not just me. Our mentality is to share our opinions as clearly as we can to the community. Your mentality is assuming we have an "us vs them" agenda. It's simply not the case. But it's all good man, we can agree to disagree. We just keep on doing our things.

[@annuet6454]

@@MaxxSend no, I don’t believe that you and those in the video have an “us vs them” agenda because I don’t know y’all and wasn’t there during the shoot, so I don’t want to fall into the pit of assumptions, something our community has far too much of already. I’m talking more about the obvious rift that exists now and am essentially saying that any seasoned rider, who has been paying attention, already knows that while the GTS is quite capable of climbing, it just doesn’t stack up against the competition, which has been proven more than once already by different sources, so what else is there to really cover on that topic? Well, maybe LOTS more, but anymore definitely only really targets a specific audience who either want that kind of detail..or who get off on seeing FM put down. A brand new rider is not gonna jump on any of the one wheel type boards and just roll right up a hill climb like the one seen, so it’s definitely not for them right now, lol. But that’s just what I believe to be true to me, not a fact to everyone else. Or maybe it’s simply because I live in the south where hardly any hills, besides an old garbage dump or rock quarry, exist to climb on. 😂 I mean no disrespect to ya and I’m not saying your content is intentionally inflammatory. I totally understand that it’s up to me whether or not to click on a vid, if I think it smells like it might be soaked in fuel. Keep on keeping on. I know where the door is and that it swings both ways. ✌️ ❤️

[@xenoir2295]

What is it with 2nd line up TFL riders making all these videos and comparison posts. Now that bohdi is gone to bigger and better health insurance..I mean things all these dudes wanna pick their nuts up and make useless videos. WOW you went up a hill trying to do something only a pro can do.lmaooo keep trying to make a difference boys 😂

[@brodyport6395]

Goofy ahhh comment

[@MaxxSend]

cuz you're just gonna take everything that is a sponsored vid from fm as gospel? Nobody should test their claims to either confirm or provide a different perspective? For $3200, advertising impressive hill climbing power at 1% battery is shocking and counterintuitive to battery voltage sag, and if accurate should be reasonably available for an average/above average skill rider to enjoy that power too. Eamon's board shuts off starting at 14% even when feathering the board uphill. Anyway, looking beyond just hill climbing comparison, I put together the first extreme uphill and downhill onewheel racing segment here: King of the Hill. Let's put up some times! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKq7Z4Kgpqp4mNk

[@-JohnSmith-]

My 2-year-old's EUC could make it up there 🤙🏽

[@MaxxSend]

I'd rather stall out on a gts than ever be caught riding an euc in public😆 skiing vs snowboarding man, don't try to convince us, stay on ur euc pages.

[@sendysent]

@@MaxxSendliterally lol you’ll never catch me on an euc 😂 I’ve been snowboarding my whole life. Feels way more natural to me

[@-JohnSmith-]

@@MaxxSend lol gotta stir the pot😆

[@MaxxSend]

@@-JohnSmith- nah u just trollin yourself, it's all good lol

[@MaxxSend]

@@sendysent it's the look for me, just looks kinda goofy. Can't be seen in public on it hehe

[@3tch3r]

My Pint X shuts off at 6%. I say he was at one percent and you guys are too it's just showing you more. If future motion could have some accurate electronics then it would show it properly. That's my take anyways.

[@MaxxSend]

we started warming up on the hill at around 50%, then down to 16% for the start of this vid 🤷🏻‍♂️ anyway it's fair for the board to shutdown at less than 10% under heavy load, but it's not what they showed on their 1% vid

[@3tch3r]

@@MaxxSend I get what you're saying. I just wanted to add that my FM board will go to red light under any load at 6 percent. Thats all 🙂