How to Deal with Cheaters

[@jlcragle]

Dealing with cheaters is just like parenting, you simply deal with the wrong behavior immediately. The longer you wait to correct the behavior, the more the child (aka "athletes") continue the bad behavior without fear of consequence. CrossFit has enabled the bad behavior like the parent who never corrects their children. Further, every coach and athlete who enables cheating, including shorting movements and rep is guilty too. Stop making excuses and start calling everyone, from the top athletes to those who are just starting, out on improper movement standards and rep-shaving. It's a plaque that can only be stamped out by people having integrity for themselves, their gym and the community as a whole. In fact, I equate it to the same as when I was a competitive golfer, where if a person cheats on their score or their reps, then I'd never, ever do business with them, as they've shown me all I need to see of their integrity or lack thereof.

[@HeavyLiftHomeGym]

This!

[@hillerfit]

Is this the reason why so many people do "buisness meetings" on the golf course? lol

[@jlcragle]

@@hillerfit in my experience, Yes!” It’s a good excuse to get out of the office and see how a person is when they have control over counting your score and reporting it. Similar to CrossFit

[@morimo11]

How someone plays golf can be a good indicator of character.

[@Fergyshow]

I don’t know why the trolls are flaming you Andrew. You didn’t create the standard, you just hold people up to the standard. You don’t write the workouts, you just point out the problems judging the standard. In both cases you simply focus on accountability and it is about time we did this as a community. Proud to be an OG NoRep Robin.

[@hillerfit]

Thanks for being around Fergy 🦇

[@brittanyorr5653]

Your chest to bar comment resonates with me. I got stuck judging a guy in the open who wasn't touching his chest to the bar, and he wanted to know why I kept giving him no reps over and over. I said, "Your chest has to PHYSICALLY touch the bar." And then he goes, "ohhhh, well I can't do that" 😂. I was like 🤦‍♀️

[@FitnessSheriff]

Chest to air...you never heard of those reps?! 😊

[@briannieuwenhuis9844]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You can't make this stuff up!

[@TheOriginalSteveMiller]

Thank you Andrew, I train in my garage and I have not been extending my hips on the burpees. I appreciate the education.

[@hillerfit]

Oh no shit??? Happy to be the one to let you know!

[@ZacharyKaddatzDailyTraining]

Try jumping to a “Touch” maybe on your rack or something overhead!

[@miguelcorrujedo2859]

I started Crossfit over a month ago. I'm 40 year's old and in decent shape, I noticed "cheaters" right away. I told my wife that I cannot believe people pay to cheat themselves. They are paying to improve themselves but prefer to win a workout than get better. However on Fridays we did team workouts, and then they were exposed. Crazy shit man.

[@justinthomas4598]

I always like partnering up with them on Saturday workouts and taking them to deep waters. Lol

[@debkheiry5846]

I’ve seen people jump CF boxes once they got caught. It’s about integrity and how some people just try to pull shit over others to feel superior. It’s really about insecurity but that’s a whole other topic. Love ya Hiller.

[@tedlaukaitis]

My favorite was a guy who would rep shave bar-over-burpees. You didn't have to count, the workout would call for 8 or 10 (an even number), but he would finish and move on from the opposite side he started. Think about it, we all occasionally flub up the rep count, but moves like that make it easier. ('Every time I come back to the side I started on, it's 2, 4, 6, etc.) and yet he'd finish opposite of where he started. He was legendary!

[@hillerfit]

I would first make sure that they knew where the rep finished. Then you dig in lol

[@hlkirton]

When in doubt, add at least one. Working out with kids, dogs, and my own mental chatter, sometimes I loose count. And sometimes I have to call myself out.

[@ruthco8789]

The ape! NOOOOOO! Loved this video very very much Andrew!

[@BeyondTheRx]

My coach/box owner doesn’t call people out on rep shaving or cheating and there are so many dudes in the box that are furious every day over the leaderboard. As a spouse to a super competitive athlete who has never been no repped in any competition EVER I listen to it every night. So finally I told him, just be better than the cheaters!

[@hillerfit]

This is another reason why the open is (was?) so important. It was the one time of year where those who did it THE RIGHT WAY go to see how everything shook out.

[@Jawnaldino]

The open is the equalizer!

[@simonarel8143]

Great vid man!!!Funny thing,yesterday at our gym,we had 10 rds of 10 pullups and 10 db hang cleans...and one of the wannabe only did 9 rds...but 2 ppl went to him and told him he missed a set...he was like "thats not true ,I had my chips!!!" and they were like...dude ,at the pace you were going you were not doing 10 rds in that time....

[@FitnessSheriff]

I used to pull the 'blind trainer' tactic - close my eyes and put my finger on bar, if I didn't feel a chest smash, no rep. For burpees, we'd hang TRX sashes at full reach overhead - blind trainer...if I didn't hear a clap above head, no rep. I also hold onto a bunch of mini-bands as 'no rep' ref flags and toss them at people when I see sh-t. People eventually respect the hard ass over the nice polite cheerleader 'you got this!" approach.

[@Therealkevin87]

You are spot on! People doing garbage reps or messing up the count aren't necessarily cheating they are just dumb. BUT its the whiteboard that promotes the garbage reps. They are going as fast as possible to put up a score and not hitting depth or extension. A coach can only say squat lower or stand up all the way so many times. When 3,2,1 go is said there is a need for speed and the quality of reps get worse than your dumpster fire of an outro.

[@hillerfit]

Hahahaah touche with your last sentence. Agreed the whiteboard is a blessing and a curse

[@erinnroushar2394]

It's super stupid that people cheat themselves out of a workout they are paying to do. Why go faster or cut reps ...you are not getting your $$ worth lol. I'm a big believer in maximizing those time caps to do my hardest effort 😂.

[@Therealkevin87]

@@erinnroushar2394 They don't look at it as cheating themselves. Everyone wants the results no one wants the work. Most don't want to suffer most don't wait the pain or the hurt. They just want to be jacked and eat cheeseburgers. They do some work and the cheeseburger is lying about their score to boost their ego. But I totally agree you pay $150+ dollars per month for crossfit then shave reps or doing have full ROM in the movements its a waste of money!!

[@jeremyfonta8852]

I was waiting this videos for years 🙌

[@geebatart]

Can someone explain the Craig Richey outro to me pls

[@rickmyers7940]

If this isnt a competition, who cares.... I mean, maybe it is because I am an old coot..... but I have seen people beat me in a WOD and I know they weren't an exercise correctly, coaches have told them, and I realized it didn't matter because in the open, it comes to light or they dont sign up.... Crossfit became so much better when I stopped worrying about petty stuff like this ........ 🤣 I do enjoy your content btw.... good video again

[@Nickpeters.physio]

If a person shaves reps but have no interest in competing with others in the gym, then it doesn't matter. The problem is when the rep shaver logs their score and clicks the Rx button. In my experience, most of these people see themselves as an athlete and are competitive with others in the gym. If they weren't competitive, they wouldn't log their score and click Rx. If they're just there for a workout and not to compete then this is irrelevant.

[@rickmyers7940]

@@Nickpeters.physio I agree ..... BUT even if they " compete" with others it is easy to say yeah but you shaved reps.... and NOT LET IT AFFECT YOU 😁... You know and everyone else knows they cheated, I just learned to say my piece and let the rest run off my back, like a duck in water. I told a guy, when you get to parallel that will be the first wall ball you've ever done... he stopped clicked the RX box. I guess it is not the fact people are calling others out , it is the fact people are letting this upset them and ruin their days

[@jurrie101]

Thoughts on a new shirt using "no rep" and "if you're not cheating, you're not trying"

[@dallredCF]

I had a coach who called me out on my double unders. When I started my DUs, I would count the first one even though it was only a single under. I did not realize I was doing it, but I was shorting my count and needed the correction.

[@ramblr5900]

New to crossfit… curious about your opinion on DU. Literally two full rotations under the feet for DU and it makes a whipping noise? Also in the CF games DU seem so much slower maybe because its on camera instead of my eyes

[@dallredCF]

@@ramblr5900 I was new to CrossFit at the time - 2009 ish. The coach walked up to me and started counting when the whipping noise started. It made me think and correct the rep. It was a good coaching move and is why I remember it. I just think I was just an idiot. DU are okay. I think they were a bigger deal back then.

[@hillerfit]

So it was a good learning moment yeah?

[@dallredCF]

@@hillerfit one of many great learning moments. I was fortunate to have great coaching too.

[@christineyoung78]

Some of us have high standards that continue outside the CF gyms, some will always cut corners and that’s their loss.

[@adamtoussaint9155]

The way you do anything is the way you do everything.

[@charlesschwab3060]

I have cameras inside my box. When I catch wind of someone shavings reps, I'll download a portion of their workout and send it to them. I usually make the statement that if you were "scaling the work", I'm good with it, but lets makes sure we don't accidentally check the "RX' box in SugarWOD going forward.

[@briannieuwenhuis9844]

Our Box owner has literally asked members that constantly shave reps or don't do movements to the well known standards, to leave the box. Everyone knows who the cheaters are, and it's usually not the newbies, but the people that have a couple years under their belt and want to be on top badly, but just don't have the skills or work ethic to get their without cheating.

[@RedEye437]

The Blue Mountain State scene had me rolling

[@freakied0550]

"You start a new federation" -powerlifters...probably

[@hillerfit]

WHY HAVENT WE THOUGHT OF THIS

[@alanthomas7630]

to be fair counting is hard, in the moment, sometimes i get all the way up to potato, and have to start again

[@patricklang7162]

Thank you Hiller. Thank you for helping to make me be the coach I strive to be. And the athlete (but I’ve always been big on locking reps out and full ROM)

[@brianking9424]

As a coach I’ve called out other classes and their members for the movements. Disregard “insert name here” he moves like the tin man. It’s gotten to the point where we know members weakest moves and take into consideration that there’s no way he/she moves that fast.

[@Bossman_aus]

This happened at my gym once, member A called out member B he said member B must be cheating because he finished before him. I said to member A, member B picked up the wallball before you and continued doing reps when you stopped how is that cheating? Just focus on yourself and don’t worry about other people. He quit a couple of weeks later 😂

[@Xxxtra_Sloppy]

My score was in first place in the gyms leaderboard for a while today, and yesterday I was toward the bottom. I was second guessing myself all day. Then one of the guys beat me by 3 minutes and I feel better😂

[@jeremyeatworld807]

There was a moment where an "i don't know shit about fuck" would have been great! Love the video duder 🙌

[@jerseyjustin26]

“ He just won a giant check that says TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS! “

[@JustinKelley94]

Lol I tend to go away in my mind when doing these workouts. I’m pretty sure I have incorrect counts (high or low) most of the time. I never record my score for this reason.

[@alexgoldstein958]

When I owned my box, we confronted a rep shaver. He and his wife left the box. I’m OK with that.

[@germanpotatooo]

Is there any news about the Fake Plate guys? Any Statement or Interaction with you?

[@mikeg5372]

Honestly at the gym level, I stopped caring if some cheat (shave reps) in order to be at the top of the “gym” leaderboard. In my experience, the truth almost always catches up with them. Other members talk about them often behind their backs. I always felt more appreciated than most of those “braggers”/cheaters when finishing a WOD 2nd to last or last.

[@JustMove365Challenge]

@hillerfit could you do a video on your thoughts on people not putting their score in the app? My thought is that if you are purchasing a membership to my gym then you are committing to certain things just like I am committing so certain things as a coach. One of those is input your score

[@dhall75608]

I guess from a perspective of an athlete that used to go to a gym, maybe they don’t want to be embarrassed so they don’t input it. Especially when they may go into log it and see what others did and so they don’t want to. That’s just one explanation.

[@inekeboeter4371]

Do coaches in regular boxes do something with the scores? If not..does it matter if someone doesn't want to? I do log them, but they are not visible on our leaderboard. I log them for myself, not for others to see. That works for me at this moment in time.

[@dhall75608]

@@inekeboeter4371 I agree. If someone is paying a membership and doesn’t want to put in a score, that’s their prerogative. If they pay for a membership and don’t show up to class, that’s on them too. As a owner, you’re getting paid regardless. The ONLY thing they are committed to is when they do show up to do the workout, they do what they can do to their ability.

[@Love-ql7rd]

I stopped putting in my score for all the reasons Hiller speaks to. I see so many athletes short repping the workouts. At the end of the day we didn’t do the same workout. So I refuse to input an accurate score with clean reps behind all of those who continuously don’t squat below parallel or get their chin over the bar, or stand up to hip extension. Not a hater. Just sick of all of it.

[@inekeboeter4371]

@@Love-ql7rd That is part of my reason too to not show my score for others to see. Plus the comparing others do. Not because they mean harm. But I felt less satisfied or proud of my own achievement when somebody made a comment about me having less reps/weight or slower time. Letting it influence my satisfaction is totally on me. I wish I could just not give a f*ck. And maybe I will feel so in time again.

[@sarahbuckman3999]

I am definitely guilty of having done those not-burpees before until my coach told me to stop.🙋🏼‍♀️

[@77DuRock]

Can’t be a people pleaser for the greater good 🙌🏽

[@Zansaldo1]

Almost ten years in CF and I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone who shaved reps. Only people who were supposed to do 4 rounds but stopped after 3, not to cheat though just felt like they had enough. If somebody asked they admitted it right away.

[@TheOriginalSteveMiller]

I find it really easy to forget how to count. That is why I like to video and I often do extra when I lose count. Ironically, it is when I think I mis-counted that I usually counted correctly

[@swfblacksheep703]

We need an AI No Rep app. Magnetic case on the rack and maybe something similar to the Wii sensors? I cant stand these types, but I also agree you can workout however but not enter your BS score.

[@ffransis1]

Another great video dude

[@cinematicjoe5514]

Lol the looker yea! Left the last affiliate I was at when I brought up the cheater they said “well he is only hurting himself” He wouldn’t just shave a rep this guy was cheating whole rounds and then talking shit about how good he was

[@ralphalvarez5465]

Had a coach tell me to "stay within myself" when pointing out cheaters... Half rep air squats, half extension burpees and cutting corners on runs. Then they put their results on the board and they would be read off! It was ridiculous..

[@Zoet50]

Is this about David hippensteel again?

[@heidicrume]

My takeaway from this video.. baby accountants need mirrors in their affiliates 👶🏼👩🏼‍💻🤓

[@tonydecuba]

I can't be the only one who wants to walk into an affiliate an have you as a coach. You're build differently 👌🏾

[@TheHazchic]

We had one of those. She got called on it. We got called racists. She moved to another gym and did it there. Rinse. Repeat.

[@jeff_howard_afk]

Virtuosity and relentlessness.

[@RB-mn5ix]

How great would it be to see the New Dave Castro liking or commenting on this post?

[@MO-MO-444]

What if the baby is the gym owners spouse? It’s so obvious the spouse is favored in bad reps over and over. Especially in the Open. Everyone knows, but it’s too awkward for anyone to say anything about it.

[@greymatternick]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@johnnewberry9477]

Really missed putting the Forrest Gump “that’s all I have to say about that” clip at the end haha

[@quaymcquitter8386]

honestly i think the only reason they are letting him compete is to expose him and make him look stupid once he gets out there with real competition and he folds like a dollar bill

[@ribeironeto_]

It's so simple!

[@travism7986]

We have a looker at our gym. lol

[@hillerfit]

I wonder how common it is

[@tedlaukaitis]

I've seen a few... one would be doing heavy-ish C&J's (maybe 15-20 reps, but with a weight you aren't going UB the whole way) and he'd drop the bar, circle the bar (like we all do), then see the top guys head to the pull-up bar, and suddenly his circling the bar became a b-line to the pull-up bar.

[@Ryanl1333]

I’m going to start telling babies do a burpee

[@ramblr5900]

Champ returns

[@pisceanpaul]

Sadly, there are cheaters in every competition.

[@swat486]

Yes, Blue Mountain State!!

[@niallmclaughlin8918]

Am I the only subscriber to this channel that has no interest in crossfit but only watches for the entertainment? 😂

[@ckkevin9620]

I just try to beat these guys doing the reps correctly. Gives me a goal and chip on my shoulder to perform better and still beat them. Does drive me crazy on the back squat when guys count a big weight doing a half-squat. Again, just motivates me to beat them doing a "real" back squat. And then the Open comes around and they are nowhere to be found on the leader board. LOL

[@thetylerlewis2783]

Everyone has shaved reps unintentionally on a metcon here and there but it’s the repeat offenders (no matter where they are in the leaderboard) that is SOOOO annoying. This newer guy at my gym logged a workout yesterday at about 40 reps higher in a 12 min AMRAP than everyone else😂 his score was deleted

[@PeterShaw4]

Since you referred to the coach/owner, I assumed that you were referring to the affiliate setting. But it seems you’re more focused on the Competition side of things. In the affiliate setting, of course, depending on the situation, there are a number of different strategies and likely many different strategies that you would utilize in order to deal with a rep shaver. To assume that there is, and should only be, one way to deal with rep shavers is to ignore the nuances and the variability in human behaviour. Now, maybe you address all this, but I stopped watching the video after steroids and fake weights. In my personal opinion, all cheating in sports should be dealt with via penalties.

[@christineyoung78]

Have you ever worked out next to someone who asks what rep youre on lmao

[@hillerfit]

Oh yeah. And I’ve asked. But that’s always been a how far are you / can I catch you ask

[@santiagoferrari1973]

Some people forget to count, its amazing! Most people balance having a good time and working out You cant force them to do it your way? they dont care, neither should you.

[@RB-mn5ix]

like when Lazar asked Panchik which lap they were on during the MTB event?

[@BCsoccer05]

I dunno. I guess I could see where rep shaving cheating is a problem amongst the people who are "trying to make it" and it would def be a problem in a real competition but I'm just a normal affiliate class goer. I couldn't care less what anyone else puts on the leaderboard. I'm there for the community and to get better myself. What others log on wodify has no impact on either of those things. I almost feel like the normal class goer who hyper focuses on the leaderboard sucks the joy out of the class experience but again, I'm just a mildly fit guy who enjoys that hour a day w/ his homies.

[@joesalazar2634]

What’s up with all these cute F’in babies!!!

[@irunfar1]

Andrew you’re just too toxic, why be a killjoy 😂 Actually could not agree more.

[@jamesrey4275]

Hot Chow!

[@peterodonnell3399]

Hippensteel didn't cheat he just inspired.

[@jdbaiocco1]

Bitcoin fixes this.

[@hillerfit]

How?

[@samtuckey824]

conversate?????? - I think the word you are looking for is "converse"

[@ramblr5900]

First comment.

[@hillerfit]

🦇🦇🦇 always

[@TerryHalst]

Andrew your one minutes rant at the end is dead on - just try - quit making excuses - 20 minutes of suck a day will make the rest of your life so much better.

[@ramblr5900]

Speegle’s cake is a blessing Hiller. 🧁🧁