Hilti NPR 19-A Press Gun V Milwaukee Force Logic Honest Review

Hilti NPR19-A or Milwaukee Force Logic Today I wanted to look at the new Hilti press gun. What I want to do is, I've just got this new Hilti press gun today, and I wanted to compare it with the Milwaukee press gun, which we've had now for a year or so, two years maybe. I just wanted to run through both of them for you, and then just give you my opinion of them both. Just one thing to point out. I'm just a gas engineer, and it's just my opinion. I'm not a tool expert. Let's have a look at them.
When we compare both press guns, we can see that the Hilti one is quite a bit bigger than the Milwaukee one. The Hilti one has got, the Hilti one is 22 volts, and the Milwaukee one is 12 volts. The Hilti, you can get a slimmer battery, which would make it a little bit shorter. But even so it's still quite a bit longer than the Milwaukee one.
You can use the same jaws for both these press guns. We've got the Nova Press jaws. These are the M pattern. That's one thing just to check, that your fittings that you use, you need to ask the manufacturer of the fittings or check which jaws are for the fittings. We use Express fittings, or we use Geberit fittings. Or Geberit. However you pronounce it. They use the M jaw. When the rep from Hilti came, he had some V jaws. Now they are not compatible with these fittings, so that's just something you just need to double check. Make sure you've got the right jaws for the right fittings, and also the right jaws for the guns. These jaws fit in both these guns.
If we just have a look at 50 mil jaws, so to put in there, that just has a lever. Just go like that. That pulls out. Just put your jaws in there, and down. Then you can just use the press gun. It's just got a button on there. On the Milwaukee one, if you press and hold the button, if you just hold it for a few seconds, three seconds, four seconds, it will continue to do the press for you. You don't need to keep hold of the button. Now that's okay in use normally. If you did jam the fitting, it has a button there that you can press, and that will release the jaw.
On the Hilti one, so with the Hilti one you just twist that there. Your sort of push it in and twist it, and then that'll open it so you can put the jaw in. Then you just put your jaw in, and then just push it in. Now with this gun, this is a little bit different. If you, when you press in with this one you press and hold it until you finish the press. If it jammed and you had to reset it, it has a little lever on the side here where you can just go like that, push it down, and you can reset it.
Personally I like that one because you just press it, and it does the press. But I can see the advantage of this one, because if you start to press it and you think, "It's not quite on", or you wanted to double check it, you could stop it, you could release it, and you could take it back off and just check your fitting. You know, whichever you prefer really.
Some people say that this looks like DIY, but it's far from DIY. The guns are around 2000 pound or so. You wouldn't be getting a DIY person doing this. Now the fittings, I'll just show you the fittings. The fittings, they have an O ring in there. Don't know if you can see it easily. What you do it, you put your pipe in and follow the instructions for the manufacturers. Most manufacturers will tell you, they'll have a gauge that you put on there, and you mark it with a pen so that you know the fitting is in correctly. We've got a fitting in, and then we get this press gun. Then with that we just press and hold. That's it. That's pressed.
You can see on there how it's pressed, with the lines in it. Then if you look there we can see that it's got a black O ring. If you were going to use these for gas, then you'd make sure that had a yellow O ring in there.
Now for me, the benefits of press, one is the risk of fire in a property. But the main reason for me is, when we do a fitting like that, if we soldered that we would have loads of flux in there, or we would have some flux in there. We'd get that into the water. If we're doing a central heating system, we'd end up with all that flux in the heating system, and then we've got to spend quite a lot of time flushing that flux out of the system. Now with these fittings, there's no flux, so it's much easier.
If you have a look at the fitting there, we can see it's put lines in it. You can see it's all pressed on. I think pressing's really good. The downsides, what I would say is the cost of it. The fittings are quite expensive, and obviously the guns are expensive. That's the main downside. The other downside is, sometimes you'll struggle to get in with the guns. As you can see, that's quite big. In some areas you can struggle to get in with your press gun, so you might decide that you'd like to solder. But all in all, in my opinion, the press guns are much better than the soldering.
First look of the Hilti. It's called the Hilti NPR19-A.

[@brandonhirst7841]

Hi allen, Love the recent uploads keep it going pal 👍

[@AllenHart999]

Thank you for your support.,

[@WatfordWobble]

Impressive kit and produces a nice finished joint. I guess another benefit is not having a live flame as with a soldered joint and scorched wood work?

[@oranienbaum]

Thank's for video! I have both of those presses) prefer milwaukee because I use milwaukee copperpipe cutter too. Good luck in job and life to you from Helsinki=)

[@AllenHart999]

19 87 The Milwaukee one is definitely better in my opinion, Thanks for watching.

[@henryleon6384]

thanks man, after watching you video my mind its made, i like Milwaukee, but this time I'm going with hilti

[@AllenHart999]

Glad I could help

[@caileanmoore2835]

I looked into press fitting and bought a used REMS akku press. I liked the simplicity and the tightness of the joints. However it's not much use under a kitchen sink base unit due to the restricted space. I like and use a lot of Yorkshire copper Tectite sprint fittings. These are copper push fit fittings and are very similar in appearance to Xpress. Once fitted, they are not coming off, but they dont need pressed or a two grand tool to press them on to copper, plus they are easily fitted in restricted spaces. I've found myself using both press fit and Tectite on occasion on copper as they are very similar in size and appearance.

[@AllenHart999]

I have never use Tectite tbh how do you find them, Any issues at all. Thanks.

[@AllenHart999]

@@caileanmoore2835 Thank you for watching and supporting my channel..

[@stuartmorris3160]

Great comparison review. I'm looking at getting a Hilti NPR19 and was wondering which angled jaws sets are compatible with the Hilti?

[@TheDickPuller]

Thanks Allen, another informative one👍 I’m still using EF & soldering. But looking into Pressfit. The Milwaukee gun looks small & a handy size; is it a M12 battery? How long does the battery last & do you get 45 Degree jaws for it?

[@AllenHart999]

Fibre Washer yes very small and M12, it doesn’t have 45 degree jaws though, Thanks

[@abdullahkazm5637]

I like your comparison with soldering. expensive yes ,we can bend tubes if possible. I do not think so that these press gun are not ergonomic becasue they are biz size. but torch is ok in my opinion . thanks a lot Allen.

[@kieranmcghie9500]

You can get an m18 Milwaukee press gun so if anything this surely must be a big plus for Milwaukee as no matter which kit you have theres a press gun to suit

[@GabrielGarcia-xh1xi]

I have the hilti Npr 32 a and the 19a The npr 32 a is very heavy the npr 19a is light They don't sell the 19a in the USA. I bought it from a guy in Europe with 6 heads for 1000 dollars got a deal But I like that you can use the m12 force logic heads on the m12 im about to purchase the mega press head for gas since I do alot of gas. Also the hilti Npr32 You can use the ridgid heads with it

[@d.r.plumbingheating3298]

Great video Allen. I have a novapress. After watching your video I have decided I do not like the Hilti it’s to loud and big, (like me)

[@AllenHart999]

There are better ones. I am stuck with this for now though.

[@zubizarus]

Thanks for the comparison Allen, I'm still using soldering as the main method for joining pipes. There are two very important downsides on this, risk of fire and adding flux to the system. Fire is manageable and most experienced plumber would have developed, safe procedures and tools to work. As for the flux I use the self cleaning Rosol 3 from Rothenberger, which I think is discontinued now, or Cu-Rofix 3 from Felder Lottechnik, which is a lot more friendly and easier to solder with that the standard La-Co or Fernox Powerflow, both I consider myself as very nasty stuff.

[@stephenbreen8669]

Hi Allen is novapress better than the Milwaukee one I have not got any yet looking to by the novo press is cheaper ????

[@Sash_Window]

Wow you got one, Ive seen these pop up on Insta lately. Was put off by the size of it though and it does look huge compared to the Milwaukee, she sounds like a noisey beast also, is the Hilti louder than the Milwaukee?

[@AllenHart999]

Might be a bit louder I didn’t really notice

[@petrosvitos]

Hi Allen,can you write us what's the height of the tools ??

[@keithjackman1]

HI Allen , Do you use any push fit fittings , speedfit , hep 20 , shark etc and if so what your thoughts . As no machine needed and fittings cheaper . And thanks for another great video , Please keep them coming .

[@AllenHart999]

I used to use speedfit quite a lot and never had any real issues with it but i would rather use copper and imho its a much better job. Thanks for watching.

[@orteg3940]

I personally use M18 model by Milwaukee here in the USA. If u use a proper fittings and ream your pipes u will never get a call back, trust me.

[@AllenHart999]

I find the M18 a little on the large side but i guess it depends what you get used too. Thanks.

[@WEYHARRY1]

I think DeWalt are bringing out a press gun in the uk

[@SuperWayneyb]

Novopress guns are hands down the best 👍👍

[@AllenHart999]

I would have to agree.

[@battsonbikes1919]

the Rems has a clamp on press for tight areas makes it a winner against all others

[@danpearce9539]

Does Hilti require you to get the press gun serviced once a year like novopress or is it done on a press count?

[@battsonbikes1919]

yes

[@gordoningram8148]

Im a hilti man through and through, however i think they made a bit of an arse of the gun, far to top heavy with the jaws in, and the size of it, for me Ill have to stick with the geberit for now! I reckon ridgid has a cracking press gun, even have adaptors for crimping 90’ to the fittings, Dont make m press jaws tho 🤦🏻‍♂️😔

[@AllenHart999]

I will do a long term review once i have used it a while, not looking good so far though.

[@beefcurrywithrice]

Will they ever make a brushless version of the m12 press tool?

[@falafelbomber]

M18 is brushless

[@beefcurrywithrice]

@@falafelbomber Yeah I know, just wonder if they will ever make the m12 one brushless to be more powerful

[@krismont]

hilti sounds little bit like rems, bet they have the same mechanism

[@shannonj1000]

Which one you think it best out of the Gilbert and Milwaukee, and is there a particular place you would recommend to buy from..

[@AllenHart999]

The geberit 102 is almost the same imho

[@Sash_Window]

Yes they are the same machines.

[@TheDickPuller]

Which is cheapest, the Milwaukee or the Geberit?

[@AllenHart999]

Not sure tbh .

[@petersutton3054]

Hi do you think it's worth buying a second hand gun is there much that can go wrong with them also I seen that the guns need calibrating after so many press do you know the cost of that.

[@AllenHart999]

You can hire the hilti one for around £35 a month for machine ( jaws are extra ) and that includes the calibrations etc,

[@Sash_Window]

If you do buy a second hand one then make sure it is either a Geberit, Novopress or a Milwaukee! (They're all the same machine just branded differently) DON'T buy a REMS, even a brand new one, they are substandard and prone to breaking down.

[@D_pawson]

Sash Window had my mini rems 3 years and carnt fault it. broke down once(but was full of muck/crud) warranty is crap 5 years ONLY if you register online within first 30 days😡 and frank keys (service agents) are wank and arse holes. Dont know what brand I would go for next. Bss service gebrit machines. Hilti seem to have the expensive label so much i disregard them and dont waste time getting a quote

[@Thompson-from-Finland]

Can you use milwaukee jaws with hilti?

[@AllenHart999]

I do

[@SkilledLabor]

I second this and I use the milwaukee refrigeration jaws with my NPR 32-22

[@SuperWayneyb]

👍🤓👍

[@AllenHart999]

Thanks.

[@ibrahimyibrahimy]

Hilti Is way expensive, I know people who have the other power tools, they love , but again talking about warranty it doesn't cover as long as milwaukee

[@SuperWayneyb]

Hilti looks a bit disappointing that it’s so bulky

[@AllenHart999]

Its ok but not as good as others in my opinion.

[@TheIcebon]

There will be a lot of call backs in years to come when the o rings on all these fittings start to deteriorate. Give me a soldered joint any day...

[@AllenHart999]

They have been using these for over 50 years in commercial

[@alfietomasandflattery9569]

The worst company i have ever dealt with Purchased in April 2017 Inspected by Baxi in may 2017 boiler installed ok , worked for 18 mts boiler now condemned by Baxi saying it was installed incorrectly now washing their hands of it blaming the installer

[@AllenHart999]

What has the installer said? I would advise you have an independent company look at it. Never had any issues with Baxi support

[@richardrojas8834]

MILWAUKEE Y COMO TODO LO GRINGO, SOLO COPIA.