Historian Reacts to Battlefield 5

[@soundwavegamer2321]

Fun fact: Norway was actually pissed off due to all the changes made in Nordlys. The worst part is the developers had a lot of Swedish member who live close enough to Norway hence why they horrible reference Operation Gunnerside.

[@IQsveen]

Wdym "Norway was pissed"? Where there an official statement?

[@soundwavegamer2321]

@@IQsveen it’s been a few years so I can’t remember if there was though I think it mentioned mainly the people from Norway were pissed.

[@IQsveen]

@@soundwavegamer2321 As a Norwegian myself, I was furious the first time I played Nordlys!

[@soundwavegamer2321]

@@IQsveen hell I’m Swedish and even I hate Nordlys. Because the dishonored the memory of the men who suffered just so they could do the impossible in Operation Gunnerside

[@tacticalgrunt6612]

@@IQsveen you have every right to be

[@karacreed0723]

Random note: the fact Peter Müller says "and I _was_ there." along the fact The Last Tiger is narrated in first person implies Peter survived the ending cutscene of his campaign

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Maybe becoming a tank instructor for the Bundeswehr in West Germany?

[@John.McMillan]

I've said a few times on other videos, when the screen cuts to black it plays the sound of the Sten/Enfield, not the MP40. I always just assumed that when the kid stopped pinning down the allied soldiers to shoot Peter, they immediately stood up and shot him.

[@anidiot2284]

In Battlefield 3 there’s a character who’s not only part of a tank crew (M1A1 Abrams) but his last name is very similar to Muller’s (Miller/Muller) Peter Muller likely survived and retired in the US

[@karacreed0723]

@@John.McMillan not many people, including myself, are able to tell the difference between either gun's sounds.. as SMGs they're relatively similar. And loud. Thanks for adding evidence into the theory tho!

[@Benetkabc2nd]

@@karacreed0723 Pretty cool

[@hunterdipietro2422]

I was brought to tears after playing "The Last Tiger" because one of my ancestors had served during Nazi rule. He was a Lutheran minister before the war, and was conscripted into it. While he wasn't an active combatant, he was still killed just as the war was ending. If a game wants to be all edgy and say "war is hell", they need to show the other side. Both sides will always have tragic war stories.

[@brandonferretti9907]

A couple of the dlcs for company of heroes (the first one), showed it well. I hated and loved trying to hold trun from the Americans

[@Hiddenus1]

Yes, war is hell. But history is written by the victors... That's why we have plenty of games playing as soviets, because at the time they were part of the victors... And then they became enemy no.1 (not that I feel it was wrong, they were and are enemy... Just how they magically were not just because Nazis were bigger target... It's bizarre.

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

Lotta crimes committed against germans before during and after the war but because people are blinded by propaganda they think its okay

[@bennettbush3906]

@@Hiddenus1Soviets were just as bad as the Nazis imo. Different ideologies but just as brutal.

[@invincible3246]

Ja

[@coby9282]

36:36 lil fun fact about this whole Nazi symbols in video games thing; germany has changed their law a while back, you can now show all symbols from this time period, as long the game doesnt glorify it. But it seems the info hasnt reached all game devs yet. I think Wolfenstein was one of the first games that showed swatikas n stuff after the law was changed.

[@entonduck]

Yeah but there is still the German version for Wolfenstein New Order where they fucking censored hitlers mustace

[@retro_today]

I completely forgot they did that, how mental is that!

[@Shiny49GER]

But if the symbols are included, they can't get the age 12 / 16 rating for the game in Germany. The game would be rated 18+. Publishers don't want that.

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

WWII's ending sadly left Germany a very gutless nation.

[@elgescherwerauchimmer700]

​@@NostalgicGamerRickOShay oh yeah! not glorifying Nazis is sooo gutless

[@LastGoatKnight]

The Last Tiger was my favourite in the campaigns. The rest was okay

[@ryleeculla5570]

Last tiger has more logic then any other campaign by then Germany was getting desperate for man power an by then most of Germanys units were experienced men but being reinforced by young men who have never seen combat

[@Korpiainen]

Still cant understand how they are able to do great graphics, but still modell the insignia on uniforms totally wrong.

[@LastGoatKnight]

@@Korpiainen that's because of legal problems, some places the svastika is banned like in Germany and it's easier to model everything once than twice (besides in my opinion the Iron Cross is more iconic than the svastika. And that is used correctly, unlike the latter because it's the symbol of peace and harmony in hinduism and is among the most ancient symbols used for decoration and art like in Turkey, Greece, etc. And the Iron Cross is used as a medal of honor (not capital, that's the American version)). Can't say anything other insignias than that because I am not informed in that regard.

[@BalázsPelei]

My favourite was trialleur

[@rattlesnake551]

the rest werent okay icl the rest were garbage

[@matthewmueller2215]

Last Tiger was one of those stories that even if it was short gave you the full story. How many older germans were scarred and horrified by the sight of how Germany became, while younger kids were so indoctrinated that they would kill older soldiers for doing what was right at that point. Its beautiful. And sad. But real.. also I hope you will do COD WWII, or maybe even older cods with world at war

[@whitechapel8959]

Loved the last tiger. Was something my grandmother who survived WW1 and WW2 always said on line she and her husband said when ever I asked her about the wars. She always said this line and nothing more: "Old tigers when sensing the end, ar the most dangerous, but still go down, fighting." She would pass in 2003 at 112.

[@dj11o9er]

​@@whitechapel8959 112? Damn, the gal lived long and died young

[@whitechapel8959]

@@dj11o9er indeed. She was in ww1 and ww2.

[@pilsplease7561]

I had family members who were very loyal nazis during the war. Did horrific things but fought till the end, only 1 member of my family survived the war, along with his sister, all of his brothers were killed.

[@ewelinastoj4259]

One cool detail is if you hit the ammo the tank doesn’t explode instantly instead you can see flames coming out the tank before it is blown to bits

[@Katsu_ragi]

I clicked on this and waited patiently until The Last Tiger. I knew he would like it.

[@zerophantomyt433]

It makes me so mad that when I got the game and saw the reviews, so many said that The Last Tiger was an insult. Not to German veterans. But to Allied vets. Specifically Americans. As an American patriot who loves my country (the government is a different story) that made even hardline anti WW2 Germany 14 year old me so mad because even at the time when nuance wasn't a thing in my mind, I understood that getting all sides of a story is good, and I personally felt that campaign handled it extremely respectfully, considering

[@Katsu_ragi]

@@zerophantomyt433 it truly did. And that side of the story never explored, which I feel is a shame. Every side did awful things, but every side also had people that were scared asf and didn't know what to do. Put propaganda into that, and you have a lot of people that don't know even what to think. War is horrible. It brings out the worse of us, but also the best. That doesn't mean it's a beautiful thing. And that's why it's so important that both sides of the conflict have an opportunity to be studied and understood.

[@gioxmama5818]

​@@zerophantomyt433 totally true. A lot of people seem to forget what the states did to Japan. Going unpunished

[@elchjol2777]

The last tiger reminded me of a friend from highschool, his great grandfather was the driver in a panzer during the Battle of the Bulge. My great grandfather was also in that same battle on the side of the US. My friend's great grandfather was in one of four tanks ambushed and taken out by a two man Bazooka team. My great grandfather got a bronze star for taking out four panzers in an ambush as the gunner in a bazooka team. (Along with a purple heart from a part of one of the panzers beaking his leg) Putting these accounts together it is likely my great grandfather killed my friend's great grandfather. At the time of my friend's great grandfather's death he had a son back home turning two years old.

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

No more brother wars

[@nghihuynh6631]

It does sound like the event in Holzthum, but it wasn't that isn't it? Cause there are few differences in your story and the one in Holzthum - the bazooka in Holzthum only have 1 guy operating it and it only knocked out 1 panzer. If you have the description of the event, please tell me cause I'm kinda interested.

[@elchjol2777]

@@nghihuynh6631 My great grandfather was in the 82nd airborne and technically he shouldn't have had a bazooka, but he "acquired" it some time before the battle. As for my friend 's great grandfather if I remember the research right he belonged to the 9th SS Panzers though I could be misremembering the research and it may have been the 2nd SS Panzers. I'd have to go find my notes again to confirm which. As for the combat it was a hasty ambush against an unexpected force of Panzers. And from the German side of this encounter the four panzers had become disorientated and separated from other German forces, accidentally stumbling into that bazooka team

[@mathbonaparteisback]

That’s incredible…

[@The_dude12]

I have a some what similar story, my great grandfather was a ball turret gunner in a b17 over Europe towards the end of the war. My friends great grandfather was waffen ss and died around the end of the war. He died because the building he was in was obliterated by a bombing raid or he died at the battle of the bulge (can’t remember which as my fathers friends dad was also waffen ss because he was west German). It’s spooky to think my ancestor watched as my friends ancestor died. It’s less personal when you hear you ancestor shot down 3 luftwaffe planes or went on bombing raids when you don’t know who he killed or hit

[@engyipad]

Regarding the Swastika symbol in Germany. This was changed relatively recently. As of now Swastikas are allowed in Germany, however during the release of BF5 this was not yet the case.

[@MLPIceberg]

Only if it's displayed in a way that's accurate to the time it's in. Any glorification of it, then that form of media is effectively banned or stopped in the country at the very least. But yes, you're right.

[@hunterdipietro2422]

It's likely more about Twitch and KZbin, one swastika and the video is shut down. At the very least demonetized.

[@coconuts7960]

@Based_Gigachad_001 neutered?? their pre-war economy was a house of cards held off from toppling by just focusing on the war. Post war and wall falling they actually have a successful economy

[@tobs7003]

i think the first game that came out with this change was one of the New Wolfensteins not the First one of the Later ones...

[@Actual_Bizon]

Sad thing isy, that the historicly accurate version of Nordlys sounds cooler then what we got. Of course it would need to be dramatized a little bit, maybe giving us a Tranq gun so it is still bloodless.

[@MLPIceberg]

I think it was Angry Joe or someone else that said it best. Give us the Norwegian Commandos raiding the facility but alter it in a way that maybe there's some gun fights up to, and in, the facility to disable it as an alternate way of completing it; leaving the Stealth Option for those that really want to try it that way. It can help preserve their memory and honor as well as provide good gameplay elements. Saying your game is "Historically Accurate" is trapping you in ways that limit creative freedom instead of saying these events were what inspired this mission/gameplay section, then honoring those that fought in the "credits" of that mission(s). I miss that sort of style when it comes to the Historical games anymore.

[@Smokey348]

or actually make a mission with that female medic that saved lives during a battle. You can still have explosions happening around, you can still give her a gun to shoot to some soldier down for gameplay reasons

[@anidiot2284]

@@Smokey348if you want Woman, fighting and WWII, then what about we get the Russian “Night Witches”.

[@Stormyy6310]

​@@anidiot2284it would've also made sense because we didn't get an air campaign nor a campaign on the most important front and also because the red air force is rarely depicted (the whole point of those campaigns is to show unknown fronts and battles) and finally because the night witches were actually historically accurate so everyone would be perfectly fine with it

[@zerophantomyt433]

​@@Stormyy6310the sad thing is I tend to forget that Russia even had an air force. The only game/movie I've seen that brought one in was IL2 Birds of Prey, a game by a Russian game developer where you play as a Soviet Pilot on one of the fronts you play through in the game's campaign

[@SlyCooper1920]

Atleast Battlefield V was trying to keep it accurate while shining light on Germany's side of the story unlike Vanguard

[@rattlesnake551]

"Atleast Battlefield V was trying to keep it accurate" no lmfao

[@UserHey]

​@@rattlesnake551Read the whole comment please

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

@@UserHey Nordlys mission, BF5 is shit.

[@iAmKoKash]

WHAT??? Not Vanguard nor Battlefield 5 was even close to be even the slightest accurate. And dont call it Battlefield v, Battlefield V was Battlefield Vietnam, the second last proper battlefield. Battlefield 2 was the last, rest have just been okay, meh or just awful. Its now free for all sniperhell... Absolute trash.

[@misterbag2030]

@@iAmKoKash calm down bro it's not that deep

[@4TheWinQuinn]

‘The Last Tiger’ is actually really good isn’t it. I don’t know how DICE managed it in their utterly useless state but it is an actual good piece of media.

[@Hurngh-x7e]

KEERTZ

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Say what you will about the dev team of Battlefield V screwing with ruining history for a story, but the dev team got get one thing right. That being the music.

[@retro_today]

If there's one aspect of every dev team out there, it's that usually the art and music teams carry bad games

[@morbuskid1720]

Primarily because Corporate said "We put all this time and effort into making an LGBTQ+ Black Ally portrayal of history and yet we got something from it! Guess we'll step back and let the devs from BF-1 cook"

[@henrikfitch4017]

@@morbuskid1720 No mention or depiction of LGBTQ+ people in all of BFV, and there are more depictions of minorities in BF1 than BFV, while also being locked in (ie. every single British medic in BF1 is a Sikh whereas BFV gives you the option to customise your classes). The specialist skins are a bit annoying, sure, but they are nothing compared to the spit in the face of history that is the special classes you get in BF1. A mission in which history was rewritten to show women soldiers in place of the majority men? BF1 also does that, with "Nothing is written". I can guarantee you, if it didn't have the absolutely god awful reveal trailer, BFV would have been just as beloved, if not more so, than BF1. Anything you can bring up that was historically innacurate about BFV, BF1 does as well, to a worse degree.

[@R3TR0J4N]

also movement and map design. do oyu guys utilize crouch run, slide, and prone. gunplay is Arcady compare to BF4, but man support class weapons (for an LMG)are outmatch compare to other class DPS that what makes me mad.

[@terminalimpact2771]

@@R3TR0J4NMy main issue is recoil. The weapons raise too much when fired… haven’t figured why…

[@failmanfinder338]

The last 2 rounds that you can hear at the end of The Last Tiger were M1928A1 rounds. So theorically, Müller was saved by the americans

[@guts-141]

Could be a Grease gun or M1A1 but devs being lazy sticking with M1928 model considering it's 1945

[@MrSnowmanFR]

this information is actually true, or at least have elements pointing towards it, in other battlefield games , can't remember which one, there's a guy who's family name is Müller and who's ancestor was a Tiger 1 commander

[@HiaSoos]

i also think he was saved since Müller is narrating his story and says, “and I *was* there” implying he did surging

[@tobiaswerner4418]

Holy Hell this is the nerdiest sentence I have ever read

[@MrSnowmanFR]

@@tobiaswerner4418 yeah we're a bunch of nerds, cry about it

[@Jdhog152]

12:55 The Norwegian army did use locally produced 1911's as their main service pistol. However it being suppressed is weird, but most likely done for gameplay purposes.

[@606films9]

Something a lot of people don't acknowledge is Schroeder saying "We're Stronger Together" while he is the sole reason that everyone in the tank was killed

[@r7ahtesham885]

Really? What about the kid that got hanged? I don't think it was his doing

[@606films9]

@@r7ahtesham885 He convinced the commander of the tank crew to send hartman (the boy) out of the tank to see if it was safe. Hartman ran out there, got captured, they couldn't find him, and as a result, died

[@KaitoGillscale]

My grandmother and grandfather were germans that fled her homeland in the early years of WW2. They fled to America...got work...slowly learned the language alongside my mother and her sister...and put her old country behind her. It wasn't until the mid 80s that she learned about the horrors of WW2. The german civilians had been so well-indoctrinated that due to having to put her head down and bust her ass for decades...my grandmother had no clue the horrors that the Nazis did. She had to be told by my mother when she found the old swastikas and silverware we had in storage and tried to decorate the house with them. Obviously in hindsight it's easy to say the Germans should have known...should have been more vigilant...but many weren't. So many were so far down the chain of command that they had no memory of the horrors going on around them. Damn the SS...damn the Nazi leadership...but I pity my German bloodline because all of them were blamed and held responsible for the actions of a few with power. The Last Tiger showed a brief glimpse into the eyes being forced open...to see and realize how lost they'd become. If the lowly tank commanders were this far gone and oblivious...can you really say that the civilians would have known any better? Obviously I excuse none of the atrocities done by Germans. I'm simply saying calling every german during WW2 a nazi that needed to be flame-roasted is...an unfortunately common trend I dislike seeing. If you've never seen it, I recommend watching Land of Mine...a really harrowing story about the german youth pressed into service after WW2 disarming mines. It's gut-wrenching.

[@retro_today]

Thank you for this comment, I always love hearing accounts from the people that were there and your grandmother and grandfather actually followed a similar path to some of my own family, only mine came to Britain in the early 30s. They were German Jews who fled the country, although not all of them did or could and we actually later found out that some were sent to Auschwitz in the latter half of the war. I think you raise a really important point in that what your most average German citizen wanted at that point was stability after years of turmoil and many were not as aware of the atrocities that occurred behind the scene's. I think it's important not to throw a blanket hatred at anyone, not all German citizens were guilty, some just wanted to get by.

[@KaitoGillscale]

@@retro_today that’s true. My family is French, German, and Italian. All at one time allied with or were occupied by the Axis powers. I understand the idea that anyone who wasn’t on the “good team” was evil…but life’s just not that simple. Reminds me of one KZbinr who was taking about how a German tank in WW1 shot down a biplane flying over a battlefield and he said “i guess it’s cool, but I feel like we shouldn’t celebrate a Nazi” and I wanted to pull my hair out. How poor of a history student can you be to claim that WW1 Germans were Nazis…or that the simple tank crew were in any way responsible for the atrocities that the Nazi party caused. It was…so difficult to hear. Your video, meanwhile, really goes into the ordeal properly and gives the German tank commander a fair shake. I appreciate it. :)

[@supremealgo1]

38:09 Gotta mention how the Panther crew apparently mistook the Pershing for what could have been another German tank, as it could have fired and yet didnt. Or that's what I've heard, eitherway, that video is quite an amazing part of history.

[@TS-ln5ix]

german when the allies have another tank beside the shermans: impossible😶

[@mexicanbanjo9325]

Kind of funny because on the other side of that there are stories of German soldiers firing on their own Jagdtiger tank destroyers thinking they were new allies tanks.

[@TheMandalp]

i have to correct you one 3 points 1. long road to tippery was acuttly a rather poplour song in the german navy. 2. the m1911 in norweg is probly a stabd in for the kongstberg pistols wich were m1911 copys. 3 germany changed it laws 2019 to allowed if it inst glory the the regime. but bf5 came out before so it still does not have them for simplzied sake.

[@doctorthrax2076]

I still remember the movie Das Boot when the crew put on It's a Long Way to Tipperary and sang to it

[@gfgard]

@@doctorthrax2076me too

[@WordBearersChaos]

For the camo at 25:18 I honestly think DICE just used the Splittertarnmuster and/or Sumpfmuster camo patterns with some wacky colors. I have no idea why when they clearly had the historical patterns there to use as they were.

[@retro_today]

I think you might be right, Splittertarnmuster has the right shapes and design

[@quxyz25]

Could the developers taken the colors of the Alpenflange pattern?

[@Smokey348]

@@retro_today Wasn't there a certain type of camouflage worn by mountain troops with a similar colour? Or am i thinking of those Swiss Alpen ones?

[@retro_today]

@@Smokey348 There's TAZ 83 which was introduced in the 50s I believe for the Swiss army, similar colours, but not as jagged in the pattern

[@qxwcevrbtn7920]

There is one jacket with an acceptable Splittertarn pattern and colors but it's awful with y-straps somehow attached backwards and leather k98 ammo pouches attached vertically. There are few german clothing items that look accurate from far away but they added them in the last update of the game. The pacific dlc was really good in my opinion in term of not being a "Goofy prosthesis woman beating germans with a cricket bat" and sometimes i wish they made the eastern front dlc because it leaves a huge gap in the game's weaponry. Guess some people enjoy bf2042's new battlepass...

[@GeneralDelta072]

The Last Tiger is 100% the best Battlefield 5 campaign mission, none of the others compare. I like Under No Flag, but it's not The Last Tiger.

[@Hurngh-x7e]

Made me cry at the end

[@ylchr]

The Last Tiger was absolute PEAK episode that even threw me to tears in the end

[@Tundratreader]

The game designers are being disrespectful to the people who were actually there.

[@Better_Clean_Than_Green]

Meanwhile CoD Vanguard😂

[@gamesguy]

Nobody cares

[@Hurngh-x7e]

Nobody cares??? A massive amount of people were enraged with how badly it was portrayed since it basically was “you guys did this but we dont care we are gonna do this instead”

[@gamesguy]

@@Hurngh-x7e The only people "outraged" were the usual easily triggered online gamer mob. The most sensitive group on the internet. No actual WW2 veteran cared or even heard about this game.

[@epgamer1145]

Gotta expect a DEI ran company in the west to be disrespectful to a whole chapter of History further East.

[@Panzerfaustprodutions]

I know of instances in America where criminals were given the choice of prison or military service but I never heard of them special forces groups for instance one of the crewman on in the mood the tank that inspired the movie fury was nicknamed jail bird because he was given the choice of prison or military service so it did happen just not with special forces and only in America

[@samzorn4656]

That's true. In fact, one of the American characters from Call of Duty 3, Leroy Huxley, was arrested and given the choice of either prison or serving in the US Army. He chose the latter and, as shown in the campaign, fought as a Private throughout the Falaise Gap section of the Battle of Normandy from St. Lo to Chambois.

[@MLPIceberg]

Not just the U.S. Remember, Germany (and some of the Axis Powers) employed prisoners too, in their militaries.

[@what4521]

Just to add more, there were also some of these in the soviet army. Mostly volunteers whose crimes were not that dire, and non-political, and there also were penal battalions, with soldiers and officers who screwed up badly or did some kind of crime, so they had to "pay the price with their blood", eing admitted back into regular army after getting wounded, killed, or survived without either injuries or death for 30 days. But I wasn't studying this, so I may be mistaken.

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

In russia you were just forced to do it at gun point get shot at or get shot at make your choice vladislav

[@what4521]

@@TheRealRusDaddy don't be ridiculous, why give anyone a gun and THEN threaten them with another gun? What stops them from just shooting you and taking YOUR gun next?

[@SuiLagadema]

I'll just speak about Tirailleur and The Last Tiger. Saving Private Ryan revolves around a fictional history, a very rich history. Tirailleur does the same; telling the history of french troops from the colonies, the misery they suffered from their own "soldiers" and also, the war itself. It conveys the point of telling the side of people who were relegated to not even a footnote in the postwar narrative. The history is fictional, but I think the writers on that one really wanted to convey they were many histories of heroism which we may never know about because of racial bias. I felt The Last Tiger showed multiple sides. A kid only trained in ideology, another kid who might have joined believing in the tales of how they were gonna win the war, only to be completely broken by the harsh realities of war that only soldiers in battle know about, a commander who is a professional officer, who juggles following orders and trying to keep his crew alive, and the driver, who knows everything is lost, but follows his commander out of loyalty, out of respect earned in combat. It shows us how dangerous propaganda can be, and it also shows us that camaraderie it's the only thing keeping soldiers going forwards. Kertz being shot by the kid just breaks Müller, realizing that ultimately, he wasn't fighting for a specific cause, but just because his friend had put utmost confidence on him and, just like anyone of us, have a breaking point. I like them because they weren't "sanitized" stories, there wasn't a happy ending. Although locations could be wrong, timelines could be wrong, but they tell a powerful story, a story that I can completely believe somebody went through something very similar and, if you're gonna tell a story that's grounded on human experience and emotions, I have no problems in accepting the creative liberties taken to tell such powerful stories. Under No Flag was "meh". There were so many raids made by the Desert Rats, pushback from the conventional armed forces because the SOE was taking their best soldiers. Were there criminals who volunteered to join the army? I'm more than sure, were some of those SOE material? Of course some of them were. The writers try to tell a flashy story by adding stuff when the raids they actually did were legendary. I don't recall the one this one was based, when they just drove in their jeeps in the middle of the night, shooting whatever looked like an aircraft and barrels while driving in the runway itself, putting demo charges and by the time the germans mounted something resembling a defense, they were gone. There! You don't have to write a story because it actually happened! Nordlys... Were civilians aiding the allies? Yes; men, women and children. But what about mentioning something about the british and norwegian commandos who did the actual raid? You could've told stories of how the civilians risked their lives doing acts of sabotage and HUMINT, hell, even assisting the commando raids themselves, which actually happened and guess what, they were also women and kids involved! But no, there had to be a specific "strong independent woman" character because... just because. You could've had the same character but depicted in a semi-accurate historical event. Like I said, I have no problems taking creative liberties to tell a story, but leaving out a whole chunk of the real stories just because you wanted a specific role, which would've coincided with your view whilst being accurate to events? Get the F out. PS: I intended this to be short. Not sorry.

[@Hurngh-x7e]

Fair enough

[@TacticalFloridian55]

This is super long and I'm not reading all that

[@DrYu-jf6tb]

everyone agrees that that 'the last tiger' was by far the best mission. it eas also released post launch.

[@gijoemasters]

I also highly recommend The Frosty 1's video on BF5 inaccuracies as well. He goes into excruciating detail about a few things that you mentioned such as weapons, uniforms, camouflage, incorrect dates, and straight up mistreatment of the real history. For me a few minor nitpicks of most modern WW2 games is the reluctance to actually show the Waffen SS, or if they do they use a bastardized version of them with weird Wehrmacht SS hybrid uniforms. Also the use of non-correct German flags and symbols of the time. I get it, the Nazi swastika and eagle are bad but they are a part of the history and needs to be shown.

[@retro_today]

Frosty 1 is a great channel, he makes some fantastic breakdowns

[@kop1522]

I used to watch him, but the constant community feeds of terrible memes related to his BFV historical accuracy video(I think he posted like 15 of them) kinda pushed me away With the flag thing that was due to a German law which was only recently repealed

[@vax3138]

39:51 this part is so good. Best thing to come out of battlefield 5

[@merr3453]

Love how dice likes to open campaigns with a guy with a clipboard talking to the main character in a jail

[@oddish008]

16:36 One of the commandoes that actually participated in Operation Gunnerside, Joachim Rønneberg, would after the war visit schools in the local area and talk about his, and other resistance fighters stories, including the raid on Vemork. My mom told me about when he visited her school. I sadly never got to here his story from him, as he died before I had a chance to do so.

[@tunnelratsrule2770]

Last tiger is my favorite mission by far it always brings a tear to my eye at the end with Mueller holding a dying Kertz while Schroder breaks down in background, begging for approval of his actions. It captured the true horror and desperation of the final year of the war perfectly

[@nerfer200]

Not just that, but the absolute brainwashing that the Hitler Youth went through. Schöder was the reason everyone failed. Hartmann died a deserter because of his recommendation. Kertz died because of his failure to accept facts as they were, Germany lost and it was time to quit. Müller supposedly survived, but it's possible that he died as well, again due to his blind loyalty and brainwashing.

[@spartanrisk]

It is cool to see accurate History portrayed and I think all enthusiasts want to see that but we also have to remember that this is entertainment. The job of this game is to sell and play as a video game. The way games seem to be going now is similar to how movies are today- many sequels and romanticized content. Pirate stories sell well because it isn't that harsh truth that no one wants to see. Whether it's Westerns, Pirates, or War movies the entertainment industry will seek to romanticize elements for the big screen. That would be one thing I will say to critics that hate false stories or romanticized narratives like Nordlys. Sadly, I expect to see more of it from this industry. But regardless of any of that, have fun. The most important aspect of a game is to have fun.

[@stantheheadhumongous9402]

Most people just don't comprehend how much "EDI" committees have control over game developers now. I think the writers were genuinely trying to write good stories but some people sipping their coffee in their cubicles whilst having a power trip just wouldnt let them.

[@qwoi76]

you deserve more people to watch your videos

[@Fin-17y]

the last tiger mision was the best for sure and hit me the most

[@loganmaddocks4703]

I remember playing BF1 and being blown away by the war stories. I got to BFV and was utterly disappointed and totally let down by what they put out until I got to The Last Tiger. It felt like the only one they really put some effort into and it sticks with everyone I think because of that. The voice actor at the end yelling for his friend, capped off by not even getting a word with his friend who made it through the whole war with him only to be killed by his fellow soldier who himself was completely disillusioned with the war in a totally different way really resonates to this day.

[@BanhChui1968swe]

For being such a short campaign. The emotions it delivered were immense and hardly forgotten for anyone who has played through it.

[@sDetective-zt8ei]

The line from Tirailleur, “you won’t find this in the history books” is spoken from the main character when he’s older which could be around the 70s or 80s. I think it’s fair to say it wasn’t in the history books taught in schools or anything like that for sure. And even now it’s not common knowledge!

[@sDetective-zt8ei]

You did a great analysis of it though, while not perfect by any means a lot of “historians” on KZbin who react to it try their hardest to tear the mission to shred. I’m glad you could appreciate it for what it was, as a black person it’s my favorite mission, for lots of reasons but simply seeing soldiers who look like myself is nice.

[@keziahisrael5337]

Battlefield1 please

[@ebbindodds3826]

Yes!!

[@mathbonaparteisback]

It would be great but it’s sad that only British side was seen and not the Germans, Russians or even THE FRENCH!!!!

[@julianklaus2789]

Great video dude, keep going

[@VincentNajger1]

its almost like Sweet Baby Inc, or an early version of it, took a hatchet to it and the modern political narrative is more important than reality. 2018 was the middle of the 'fiery but peaceful' woke madness in the USA. It's almost like a huge slab of people missed the memo .....refuse to learn from History and are literally repeating mistakes that led to horror like WW2 and the war on humanity. I'm glad that the tide seems to be finally turning on the current bout of PC and average people of all walks of life, which are the bulk of society, have had enough and want a return to normalcy. Its interesting context to see how pop culture from one era portrays tumultuous events of another era. You cannot Judge another Era from the lofty moral heights of your own. Unless you've lived through an era, especially a deeply horrific one, you can't truly understand it.

[@henrikfitch4017]

BF1 was in every way more inaccurate, more "woke" (to use that nonsense word) and more disrespectful to the war. I can elaborate on all of these if you want, but I'd also like to hear about why you think BFV is "woke".

[@CoolBluBoi]

After reading Rogue Heroes by Ben Macintyre, I only now realized how similar the SBS mission is to how the SAS operated throughout North Africa. The epilogue of the mission imo sounds more similar to the origins of the SAS instead of the SBS

[@andrewtibbetts2695]

Another note on the Nordlys mission. The first wave of Norwegian commandos actually lost one of their supply crates (or drums) that had a lot of food in it, and almost starved while waiting for the next wave of commandos. They had to survive off of attempting to hunt down caribou ( I think, or an animal similar to it), and even started to debate which parts of the deer they thought tasted best. (Attack on Norway is the book on this raid, highly recommend it)

[@summer8746]

The aircraft that was strafing on the Tiger might have been the famous De havilland Mosquito instead of the Hawker Typhoon. From the aircraft pov, the twin engine can be seen clearly and the rocket (assumed to be RP-3) which the Mosquito can also carries. Good work on the video, cheerios🎉

[@Vyury]

Hey, at 6:02 you can see that the Ju 87 on the right is of the G series, with its massive 3,7 cm Bordkanone. But two problems: 1. like the De Lisle carbine, it's a year early (first flight in January 43); 2. it was an Eastern Front exclusive, that due to bad performance, got quickly discontinued, so it shouldn't be in North Africa. Also, at 7:40 you swap FG 42, which also shouldn't be there, as first guns went into field testing in 43, again.

[@Juno-161]

I really would like to see a video about Battlefield 1

[@IQsveen]

I like this, you're very good and reflective! 👍 How about some from the Brothers in Arms series?

[@Zaciriya]

Last tiger has got to be, by far, the best story in any of the war stories from battlefield. Because like everyone else says, it shows something no one ever talks about, the sad truth is that there were plenty of nazis who did not believe or want to to fight but were either threatened, forced, or had to due to financial dependence. But no one ever tells you about that part do they? "The enemy must in some way be dehumanized, degraded to less than full human status"-Jonathan Shay

[@Rybo-Senpai]

a big thing for me with Under No Flag, the SBS Section, is the Royal Navy Ships. by 1942 the RN wasn't operating any 5 Turreted Battleships or Battlecruisers in a front line role, and supposedly, according to EA, they had 3 of them. its a simple re-use of assets from the Anzac portion of Battlefield One, but in reality, HMS Iron Duke, the only 5 turreted BB in the fleet, was being used as a floating Anti-Aircraft battery/Harbour ship in Scapa Flow. the ship Bridger does stupidly radio is HMS Sussex, a London sub-class of the County Class Heavy Cruisers, sporting 8 8 inch (203 mm) gun, not 10 13.5 Inch guns.

[@Aureus_]

It's worth noting that you somehow have a Steyr M95 WW1 Era Austro-Hungarian Rifle with a short WW2 German Optic, and a WW1 Dreadnought is the one what provides battery, very odd indeed (said model is ripped from BF1)

[@mikehawk486]

would´ve loved to see a campaign as a german soldier in the early stages of the war with the campaign ending unceremoniously with him dying after being sent to the eastern front. not stalingrad though, just a regular battle. it would be interesting to see the change in mood from fighting in poland and france to being sent off to the east without proper equipment for the winter.

[@jacobrodriguez2838]

I’m 90% sure that the last tiger is based of off king tiger 314, a tiger that survived the last days of Berlin until the track was busted but in its rampage destroyed over 40 tanks

[@bluntbbm1085]

27:35 they chose those flags cause you gotta have the Swastika censored for Games that release in Germany, so the most of the EU versions are censored when it comes to the Swastika. The US version of the game (if there is a specific one) will most likely have no censoring

[@theungreatfulmisfit8019]

American here, they didn't change it. Dice said they did it because "they don't want to offend anyone"

[@bruhmoment3741]

I liked the battlefield V campaigns. They werent historically accurate of course, and were quite fabricated as you pointed out, but you can clearly see that the devs were trying to portray a real story, and sadly they failed miserably.

[@HexDrone9637]

On One.

[@RealMooseTrust]

the audacity to make a girl power mission out of the Norwegian mission and destroy and historical accuracy and then claim to recognize those who gave their lives is insane

[@DeMoNiikSlaYer]

God, I don't know what the reason Is because I neither have a military past to connect with or any sort of trauma to correlate to the story but every time I play "The last Tiger" it brings me to tears actually breaking down I pretty much did watching this video once again. I even did with the doge meme The last Tiger video on KZbin it's just so good.

[@xherdos400]

Kertz war kein verräter, er war ein kämpfer und wusste wann es zu ende War. Möge er in Frieden ruhen.

[@ichmartin2895]

this is high Quality Content for such an small yt channel kepp up the work

[@Kaboose93]

Just finished this video and your Vanguard video. Could you please do one for Battlefield 1?!

[@Geshiko-GuP]

Me playing any other campaign: Ah, alright, pew pew! Me playing Nordlys: What the hell.. Me playing the Last Tiger: KERTZ! KEEEEERTZ!

[@Elixir_Sullivan]

At 19:18 the ferry was found laying on the seabed in lake tim. Barrels of heavy water were discovered intact and brought up.

[@DusktheDragon]

Please do a video on Battlefield 1's War Stories. Through Mud and Blood is one of my favorite stories (Mostly cause I fucking love the Mark V "Landship") and Storm of Steel being another highlight, thanks to it's narration and opening/ending cutscenes involving the Harlem Hellfighters.

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

25:22 The camo is called "Summer Parkia" in Hidden & Dangerous 2.

[@Sentientcap]

Tirailleur. The Tigar tank moment. That whole moment I'm looking at the machinegun mount on the front that most likely woulda just been used as the tank pulled up.

[@bengarni8611]

The camo during Tirailleur looks like the designers combined the colors of the Spring and Autumn varriants of the Palmenmunster camo and made it in a Splittertarnmunster camo pattern.

[@sct8326]

This was really well done, keep at it Retro

[@TheGoobler_]

The camo in Tirailleur looks like Eichenlaubmuster Autumn SS dotted camo the SS used it mainly in the south of France along with along Austria during the autumn months

[@EPIC_Duck_Has_Luck]

The subtitles switched things up when Kertz the subtitles "Everything we believed", he said "Look around you" In German. When the subtitles said "Look around you", he said "Everything we believed in". Kinda weird

[@S.M.S-Dresden]

I personaly would like a game like battlefield to have a campaigne showing the side of the axis forces. For example one from the german perspective were we get the war shown to us from the perspective of a regular German Soldier or even a friends group (someone like the Tiger Crew and Peter Mülller) starting at the beginning of the war and going througth it until the end on 8. Mai 1945. That could be a good way to show another picture of the war without the normal white and black view (not that there is any debate in terms of the evil comitted in the name of Adolf). It could show how the party could rise by showing the problems of the Weimarer Republik and how the Party seemingly was able to overcome them (they actually didnt do it, but for the normal citisent it would seem like that), how the young men were indoctrinated and how they start of as proud confident soldiers and slowly lose themself in the war. How some comite unforgiveabell crimes while outhers ignore them. How with the war going on more and more of there friends are lost and how the war that started so promising was now only a losing battle. Showing the effects of propaganda but also crimes comited by allied soldiers (not only russians) and how that effects people. In generell it would just be cool and something new to show the war from another perspective and put a focos on the people, there views and WHY they belive in them. Showing the human side while not saing all is ok or forgiven. To show that only because one side follows a evil doctrin, that there are still human beeings and that the good guys can also do bad. That every men you kill leaves behind a Family, Children that will never see there Fathers again or even meet them, Mothers that will never be able to move on from the lose, siblings that have to live with there families broken and be there to pick up the rest. I dont want to say germany wasnt the bad guy in the war but that people shouldnt forget that the soldiers that fougth in the war were still people, that from the millions of Germans and German Soldiers not everyone was a Warcriminal like not every allied soldier was a hero. I think its important because if we look at history with only the view of good and bad guys than we will be blinde to see the mistakes we our others comite because we see the cause as something good and therefore we are good and the outhers are all bad. I hope you could understand what I wanted to say in this commet, I know its not my best pice of writting, but I hope the Idee and message got through 😅

[@j.LuciusLark]

Interesing/great story 😮 But the main problem is that snowflakes or people in general are so sensitive they wouldn't ever let to be played as germany during WW2 😅 As sad we see it shows in fact that all svastikas that should be on buildings or vehicles are removed 😂 So if a small texture is already able to make freaks mad then there's no hope for your story to be in game 😢 Which is shame since it is very interesting pov of some germans 😉

[@BrabyTheCool177]

21:42 i just love this part because dice didnt care about using literally the same character model in the same picture

[@rockettechhd9517]

27:01 He probably hit a Shell of ammunition, maybe in the loaders hands, maybe in stock, which exploded and hited the rest of the ammunition.

[@arifcso6633]

37:48 I think I read somewhere about this footage is that the soldiers mistaken this car for German soldiers scout car when in reality they shot a civilian.

[@krydas9050]

I had a feeling you would like the last tiger. Every time the algorythm guides me back to it, i can't help but indulge. There is so much about that war story, about what it represents, that brings tears to my eyes every time. Beeing a German, histpory buff and ex acting student makes me a bit biased obviously, but i can't help it. The fact that it was all acted in German, giving the Spotlight to the highly talented German Voiceacting scene is a treat. The soundtrack, as it is with every Battlefield game, was phenomenal, and even getting a Story form the German side in a Mainstream shooter set in WW2 is a win. There is so much unexplored potential in those storys, and the one explored in this particular one is only the tip of the Iceberg. Hat's off to you for making it through Nordlys. I bid thee farewell. Lest we forget, War is hell.

[@dytile1603]

34:36 funny editing error haha caught me off guard but good video

[@jakobjansen9541]

For my inner piece my headcanon is that they dragged schröder out of the tank and made him swallow his teeth

[@M_P-x6z]

The random senegalese soldier running in place? That's billy. He's chill 😎

[@captin-crane3324]

The fear, the dread when Muller called Kertz out was just powerful

[@Apokrovic]

Yeah I remember playing the Nordlys and in the post bridge part I got confused as to how she was not dead since she fell off a bridge and laid face first in the snow for who knows how long and in a snowstorm. This is the Norwegian mountains during a winter night with about -10 going down, and with the storm and wind it can add up to like -23 to -24 not even mentioning her clothes are definitely wet so she's already freezing and her clothes are not keeping her as warm as they should if at all (not exactly an expert in 40s winter gear) When was the last time she ate and drank? How long has she been awake by now? She's experiencing -26 easy maybe even lower plus she has to fight armed Germans. All Ima say is she's damn lucky she's the main character in this story because there is no chance even a grizzled mountain man that lives in a cave could survive all of that. May be overexaggerating just a lil bit..... just a tiny bit... but ye Rant complete: +40 xp

[@SirSniffa]

I liked Nordlys not because it was even remotely good but because the skiing was fun

[@derkonigk4011]

27:20 explanation: if a game is published in germany, you can't have the swastika banners in it for legal reasons. Apparently they decided not to make a different version for countries which allow showing them.

[@user-dg9tx3md2h]

I believe the camouflage in Tirailleur is the reverse side (Autumn/Fall) of the Splittertarnmuster 41 Smock, However no Fall Palate pants were made in Splittertarn.

[@christianalsakerhenriksen1489]

I remember being first extremely hyped, then very pissed when I played nordlys. We norwegians, as well as the british (from what I've heard) are really proud of operation gunnerside, and I can't seem to understand why they had to make a whole new story up. The actual thing is both more interesting and more dramatic than what we got. Not to mention that there were actual people who risked their lives for this operation and I thing we should honor them in a more direct manner. I'm for inclusion and diversity in every media, but to rewrite history like this is very ironic and serves no purpose.

[@christianalsakerhenriksen1489]

Before this even it was made a series of the actual event and it almost got an Oscar. That makes it even less clear for me as to why they rewrote it.

[@dannymcbas6130]

I completely forgot the other campaings but the Last Tiger was forever engraved in my mind

[@not_hAck3r]

37:34 it's so weird seeing such old footage right at the place where I have been at.

[@MKIIICHURCHILL]

My grandfather was a german tank gunner during ww2 and got Exploded by a antitank grenade he told me the Stories of the hell they were through

[@Thegamer-6720]

The Last Tiger quote "Men stay in honor some are Scared some are also with their Realism but in some time or a day the Honor will break"

[@erikgullhaug4344]

18.40 in the video. Super good information and detail.

[@IntroDJ101]

War Daddys loader in his tank In The Mood was nickname Jailbird because it was jail or join the military

[@randomguy-kp1cm]

Hi, might be a little late to the party but in regards to 25:18, I believe the camo to be the German army issued splinter pattern, which has obviously been recoloured to almost resemble post war Swiss alpenflage. Something that made me scratch my head as someone who does ww2 reenacting for a hobby

[@R3TR0J4N]

The heavy water campaigns was damn.

[@yolsil775]

Hearing "Kertz! Kertz!!" Will always haunt me. It's so painful. God its so good haha

[@Gubblll]

Hi German here, yes it is true that the image of the old flag is banned in Germany. But there are exceptions, such as in films etc. if you remain historically correct and the whole thing serves to educate. Since Battlefield 5 isn't exactly known for historical accuracy, things get difficult. The core idea is that under no circumstances should the past be watered down, changed or trivialized.

[@Acaerwen]

It's sad, because I liked the multiplayer of BFV. I have heard many times that The Last Tiger was very good, but as a Norwegian I lost all respect for DICEs storytelling after playing Nordlys. It was blatant disrespect to the fighters who even after the act of sabotage had to fight bitterly for survival being hunted by the Nazis. The actual story is an amazing, movie-like act of sabotage where the many members remained unseen and didn't fire even a single bullet. It is considered one of the most, if not the actual most, perfect act of sabotage executed in occupied territory during the entire war. After the sabotage, 5 of the men went on a 14-day long journey to Sweden, remaining unseen the entire journey. Others survived the harsh winter remotely in the wild, while some hid in the populace. Some were captured, but later escaped from the Gestapo. It's sad that the story of these men would be pushed aside for some diversity agenda. As you said, they could have just picked different heroes of the rebellion.

[@jbstandsforjasonborne3847]

My favorite part is that one character keeps showing up in the background as both a terrible person and a victim.

[@CheemsReads]

14:35 this is a reference to women running up my heating bill

[@asap-one2961]

I read about the pershing taking out a panther tank in a ww2 book called Spear Head by Adam Makos

[@Gupiter_IDK]

38:00 you can see one of the crew bailing from the tank before it explodes

[@kalebhowatt6380]

The tiger campaign could’ve easily been its own Battlefield campaign if they fleshed it out more

[@YTR-Mrc6753]

fun fact! in Tirailleur the flags on the building is a local thing, in other countries the original swastika flags are still shown for historical purposes

[@masonicnote3017]

I wont lie, i would like to see a video for the Battlefield 1 campaign, which is one if the best for the War Story style of campaigns for the Battlefield games