History and Future of The Mornington Line

[@anthonywatts2033]

This idea that public transport works don't supply "a return on investment" is a failure of their economics/accounting NOT a failure of the transport network. After all if melbourne didnt have a train network, would we build what exists today? NO! the accounants would say "it would never provide a return on investment!" but can you imagine Melbourne without trains?

[@Jordan-288]

I really do think that Mornington can become the new public transport hub of the Mornington Peninsula if electrified service was resumed. Given the population growth and the fact that it lies next to a few marginal seats both state and federal, I expect both parties to starting throwing large amounts of money (whether the return is there or not) at some point in the not too distant future. I would actually be surprised if service wasn't reinstated by the late 2030's

[@garynewton1263]

Exactly.

[@geoffbarratt2732]

I went on steam train ride to Mornington on the day St. Kilda won the grand final in 66.not many things i remember from that age (5) but that trip sticks in my head. very interesting presentations well done.

[@jdillon8360]

I would love to see passenger services return to Mornington. It was a bad decision to close it down. We spent millions on Penninsula link freeway, why can't the state spend some money on public transport in the area?

[@joelpackett7582]

The Mornington line which I very much believe should be reopened

[@NicholassTrainChannel]

Great video. The Mornington branch is a very nice line I have been to the Heritage railway before it's very nice 100% recommend it. If they do connect the line back to Baxter that will be fantastic.

[@railrover]

Great video enjoyed learning about this line, a more frequent sprinter shuttle from Frankston to Baxter would be a good place to start

[@jamesflannery-serle3489]

They shut down the peninsula from the rest of Melbourne, the qunts! Tyabb road to Moorooduc freeway is bumper to bumper in peak hour Bungower rd in peak is toaat to Moorooduc freeway too

[@garynewton1263]

If anyone wants a train down to Rosebud or beyond why not re-build the line from Bittern following the old Red Hill rail trail then head east to Rye or whatever instead of some birdbrain idea about extending the Mornington line. The Mornington service should exist in its own right anyway!

[@Clove_Parma]

Would be great to see regular Metro service down to Mornington. An express route from Mornington to Frankston, in tandem with the Frankston to Melbourne CBD express would be a great way of reducing road traffic, improving commutes, and promote more growth in the area. Surely this would be FAR more worthwhile than the current Stony Point service, though just imagine a dream scenario of Stony point being electrified, offering service linking up with ferries across to Philip Is. Would be a great way of reducing the ridiculous traffic jams on the South Gippsland hwy that occur when the MotoGP is on down there. Would be very cool to be able to public transport all the way to the island without having to use roads!

[@MetroManMelbourne]

A Mornington to city express would be great. For the mean time you’d probably only go express as far as mordialloc, and stony point would only get electrification as far as Hastings, but there’s no harm in dreaming!

[@MATT-xv4bh]

I am a little behind in comentating on this so late... however, bring it on; let's do it now and not later! Thank you for your input creating these video's. Mat t, Cranny North

[@andrew_mcintosh]

Good video. Very informative, and as someone who lives near the Frankston to Stony Point line, very relevant. It annoys me no end that decent public transport in this area is neglected simply because of costing surveys.

[@tucoramirez6058]

Give the people on the Penisula a choice. A 20 lane freeway through to Pt Nepean or a railway line. That would narrow their focus.

[@pauls8456]

The station “Tanti” was locally pronounced “Tant I” rather than Tanty

[@neilmansfield8329]

Yes we need the train to Mornington

[@Mark-f7o]

Love your work mate. I live on the Frankston line and get the Stony point line to Baxter a lot. I'm a keen cyclist and ride to Stony point and sometimes up to mooraduc along the new Peninsula link trail. I've been on the peninsula preservation train a couple of times and loved it. But yes the way it is it's not really long enough. I needs to go to at least baxter.

[@willara0251]

I like learning about the Mornington line, I’ve walked from pretty much the start of it to the end via the trail once or twice. On the other hand, Great Video!

[@impulserail4910]

During the rail crossing removal, the wooden building on the Cheltenham station platform has been moved to the Moorooduc (Grass Hump). I never understood why the building on the Baxter platform was demolished to leave an ugly sad looking station, it had little to nothing around it, but this is not the case now. I’m not keen on the Stony Point line being electrified even if just to Baxter,but if this means it’s rebuilt and the line remains open and possibly to Moorooduc as well then bring it on 😊

[@cliffleigh7450]

Once they sold off the station land which was right in the middle of the town the future of re-instating the line was doomed. The steamrail summer excursions to Mornington beach in the 1970's were very popular. Although the locals are pushing to electrify to Baxter, they have not tried at all to get the existing Stony Point service improved. If the crossing loop and signals were re-instated at Somerville, another Sprinter could run a 15 minute shuttle to and from there to Frankston in addition to the Stony Point service.

[@MetroManMelbourne]

Certainly selling off the land in the town centre wasn't the brightest idea but even a station at the Nepean Highway wouldn't be that bad. Personally I think that the Frankston to Baxter line should be electrified but also upgrading the Stony Point Line at the same time.

[@Techno-Universal]

In theory all they would need to add to the Stony Point line to double daily services is to add a passing loop at the half way point of the line and to have a second train running on the line so the line could seemingly operate in a similar way to a Funicular railway where there’s two trains acting as counterweights to each other in the cable loop! :)

[@begbieyabass]

If a new line opens with services opened further down the Peninsula opens the flood gates for the Developers to move in.

[@lukebrown6737]

I have some experience with this line and I can tell you the track is in bad condition and is just passable for a heritage line at present for operations and that is the section that is still open, it needs reballasting, and sleeper work badly. The Baxter - Moorooduc section would need a complete rebuild and some major infrastructure restored such as 2 full level crossings as Frankston - Flinders Road and Moorooduc Highway these would be priced at a $700k plus install a piece and add a further $4-6 million for the relay of track and building of a passenger station in Baxter, the preservation group will never be allowed onto the main Stony Point line. The set of points here are condemned and welded closed, and would not even be part of the signalling system on the stony pointe line. The MRPS surly don’t have $5-7 million bucks lying around so this section is in my opinion relegated to the history books.

[@deleted.6743]

I can’t stand the voiceovers of whoever the other guy is. Unwatchable.

[@robvegas9354]

Awesome Video guys!!! from what i recall the old turntable from Mornington is the one at Warrnambool now. On a side note awesome kebabs at main street Mornington and the hamburgers from Kermonds in Warrnambool are stellar!!!

[@jamesflannery-serle3489]

Where are these kebabs?

[@mvnorsel6354]

I learnt about this line as a kid singing the Seekers song, Morning town Ride.

[@darylcheshire1618]

My first ever trip by DERM was to Mornington.

[@andgate2000]

The fact that its almost all houses along this corridor now means it should open.

[@adavies971985]

I went to Hastings primrary school. Not in that era..

[@FromtheWindowSeat]

Nice work 👍

[@user-tm4bi1nl4q]

Business cases mean nothing! Western Sydney Airport has an ROI of less then 10c inthe $1 yet they are spending $6B on that airport and a further $11B on a metro that includes 5 stops in cow paddocks!!! You dont need a degree in economics to realise that politics not $ gets railways built in Australia!

[@MetroManMelbourne]

That’s true sometimes but not always. A business case is incredibly useful when determining whether a project is useful or not. Sometimes it makes sense to build projects with BCRs less than 1 though.

[@Lachtrain]

Yeah Mornington line very interesting line can’t wait

[@electro_sykes]

how about equip minibuses with rail wheels

[@Harris-pp5of]

Wow amazing I hope there’s more to this series!

[@tgy_au7464]

Frankston Portsea when?

[@pauls8456]

My Rover Scout Crew and I were given permission to cut up the sleepers and buffers of the Mornington Rail terminus. It was like cutting concrete but we made some money for the MorningtonSea Scouts. Of particular interest was the HUGE buffer use to stop locomotives dropping of the nearby cliff face into Port Phillip Bay!

[@gojivr369]

In my opinion they should definitely reopen it before it’s completely forbidden/no trace at all.

[@joshrouch]

first

[@josephmaganja650]

✊️✊️✊️

[@Alexander_Dunn]

I wonder how you guys recorded this?

[@MetroManMelbourne]

did separate recordings and then put them together in editing

[@kingey71]

Ah yes, the Lonie report. Let’s put more things on road. Great idea, not!

[@stephenhunter70]

The "missing link" is still there but it does need some TLC and then this needs to be ASAP!

[@Brian_rock_railfan]

great yet sad video 🚅🚃😢

[@Lachtrain]

Missed premiere but yeah video of Mornington

[@itechcircle9410]

the new series has been revealed

[@MetroManMelbourne]

The name is a bit misleading, we aren’t exactly gonna be talking about random branch to woop woop with a daily DERM service and why it should have been kept open but more about some important ones and some what could have beens

[@itechcircle9410]

@@MetroManMelbourne cool

[@davidnorton7464]

Electric Red rattler trains would be hooked up to steam engines to take them to Stony Point and Mornington. My grandmother took me to see Every Which Way But Loose - Clint Eastwood in Mornington via a DERM from Frankston. A line following the old route to the Racecourse then aligning with Racecourse rd and the new estates down to Mount Martha would work..

[@allangibson2408]

The “red rattlers” were originally steam hauled on the city network.

[@PJRayment]

@@allangibson2408 The Tait trains ("red rattlers") were built for electrification, but were steam-hauled until the electrification was ready. Of course many of them were built after that, and started life as electric trains.

[@PJRayment]

These were known as 'E trains', and also operated to Healesville and Warburton. They were electric to Lilydale and Frankston, where a loco took over to take them the rest of the way. I believe it also happened a bit with the Harris trains.

[@AH137productions]

Ok let’s see how much info on the history is correct

[@FiveTangent4882]

👍

[@thevictoriantrainspotter6636]

6:46 There is one lol

[@MetroManMelbourne]

don't think the 788 runs every 15 or 20 minutes but ok

[@thevictoriantrainspotter6636]

shuttle bus

[@thevictoriantrainspotter6636]

goes to point nepean

[@thevictoriantrainspotter6636]

@@MetroManMelbourne or do you mean a PTV service?

[@lalanthiperera7141]

Good

[@multiranger748]

Saw on a Hitachi train featured on a KZbin video it had Baxter station as a location

[@railtrolley]

The destination rolls on the Hitachis featured many places that it could go to, as they were not electrified at the time. And still aren't, or the line has since closed. Stony Point, Werribee, Coldsteam are a few I can think of.

[@multiranger748]

@@railtrolley Ah yep i can recall one time i saw a Hitatchi with the destination Coldstream going past on a belgrave/lilydale service

[@garynewton1263]

Yes.......I've seen electric trains in the 80s which had Coldstream on them too.

[@Lachtrain]

Is this Series gonna continue????

[@MetroManMelbourne]

it has been cancelled.

[@ivanhajncl8833]

Both boys are recalibrating their understanding of vowel sounds so they may better approximate the English language

[@Alexander_Dunn]

7:08 who

[@MetroManMelbourne]

the actual moo

[@joshrouch]

@@MetroManMelbourne yes me

[@Alexander_Dunn]

@@MetroManMelbourne oh him (cant say this name bc ye)

[@garynewton1263]

I'll bet my whole CD collection that there'll be an electrified suburban train service to Mornington by 2027.

[@deltamx]

You are optimistic.....mornington station would have to be on west side of highway I think

[@garynewton1263]

@@deltamx Which highway? You could build a tunnel on the east side of the main road and have the station underneath the shopping centre? Or just locate it on the east side of the main road. Either way it has to happen!

[@jonathanwishart9104]

@@garynewton1263 There's a carpark under the shopping centre.

[@garynewton1263]

@@jonathanwishart9104 So? Are you trying everything to stop a train service? I don't care what's where, the fuckin train service to Mornington must fuckin happen, end of story. Same with Healesville, Whittlesea & Koo Wee Rup.

[@peterbarber7613]

it will never happen

[@garynewton1263]

You're obviously not Victorian!

[@smithies_jocks]

Your audio levels are all over the place, some parts too soft others too loud.