HISTORY IS MADE - MAGIC THE GATHERING IMPLODES

[@fsmoura]

_Florida Man Builds Underground Shelter-Reinforces Walls With Luxury Cardboard_

[@marcmarc1967]

A stack of PSA 9.5 Power 9 cards are remarkably radiation proof. It's not a bad repurposing.

[@theodorelecher479]

Yells at sky, naked.

[@ek70]

They're all docksides, jeweled lotuses and mana crypts.

[@yongyea4147]

You are a saint and a scholar

[@yongyea4147]

Foil reflects radiation

[@wartortle1375]

MTG investing 101: buy the cards you like, play them and enjoy Magic with friends or family.

[@youcancallmeal313]

Or if u play just proxy

[@NothingOsaka]

I mean I use this with all facets of life not just Magic. Imagine if more did.

[@cruorsitis]

This is the best take away. Casual groups could ignore the rulings and keep playing how they want but they are also the most likely groups to allow some degree of proxies (or just digital play these days). Competitive players absorb greater losses than before even if they rank high enough to profit. Investors have noticed that the roi on (most)mtg is far lower than other things with similar risk. Maybe reserve list still has a place assuming things don't go to far (ie dramatic changes and loss of confidence). I can't say much about that as I currently follow your approach. It is a pity though. Growing up MTG was a hobby not just as a game but also a source of income, knowledge and experience in price speculation and understanding of value. I know many people who to a greater or lesser degree also experienced this and those skills are transferable so in that regard it is sad for younger players whose experience is closer to gambling than short or long term investing.

[@kxkxkxkx]

How about: don't buy them, and get a better hobby

[@DocBree13]

❤

[@matthewrose8002]

Jeweled Lotus will be a $.50 card and I will purchase a foil one to use as a treasure token.

[@MedicMarc22]

I was thinking of doing the same haha

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Some people are saying wait for it to get low enough and buy a full set and save on them for when they inevitably get unbanned then you will rake in profit

[@jameshogan4679]

Omg thats such a good idea!

[@devonmack982]

I'll buy hundreds once it's under a buck all of them u can still play with them in my pod why do I care about a banlist😂

[@test4O4]

sure lee it will be unbanned

[@marshanmann]

I haven't purchased any magic for the past 2 years, best decision I ever made.

[@adoo765]

Another happy man on the comments

[@kylemckiernan1445]

Same, lol. So much bull shit from wizards and I'm happy with the decks I have

[@czarnick123]

Oldschool and premodern is it from me. From $100s of dollars a month to zero. Fuck w RL and I left.

[@Torkmastaflex]

Ayyeeee it's us boys who didnt treat MTG like an investment!

[@RockyBalboaBCI]

What did you move to? I've abandoned for Grand Archive. I forgot what card quality was until I moved

[@Justin3Santiago]

"Reprinted and cashed in before banning" Me, being a Yugioh player: "I've seen this before. More than 11 times, to be exact"

[@KK-pm7ud]

Rescue Rabbit

[@dcijluther4015]

And wotc was even able to dump collector packs of commander masters and lost caverns in the magic con mystery box packages.

[@Zerostatik]

😂

[@thealancorp.2394]

Yugioh is a mess

[@CGoody564]

Bandai Namco does the same crap. They released a digimon chip for their vital brscelet toy line, and online services end on the 30th, all support ends in October. Yet people continue to buy the crap. Nothing ever changes, befause we don't change. We have temporary fits and then right back in the cycle we go for some godforsaken reason.

[@direrumdirennis5017]

This is what happens when you call the piece of cardboard that can be printed anytime arbitrarily by a single company a "investment".

[@dave3269]

Isn't that what the US dollar is?

[@kalackninja]

i didn't invest in a mana crypt. I bought one to put in my cedh deck, then was told that i cannot do that.

[@brianlewis5088]

@@dave3269

[@AC3handle]

@@dave3269 well technically the dollar is made of fabric.

[@beckmsha]

@@dave3269 and thats why no one is investing in the currency itself, and instead buys securities, commodities and or invest in companies that creates products. Time to go back to school!

[@wdeborde]

"They nuked the value!" No Timmy, you just found out that collectibles only have value when people want them.

[@last9up]

What was that again? The greater fool? It's only worth something if someone else wants it?

[@conorkeane8549]

So does everything in a capitalist society, wise guy

[@jamesespinosa690]

@@conorkeane8549 Reality is "capitalist" dummy. I bet you think the laws of physics are some kind of "capitalist" conspiracy theory too!

[@treelineresearch3387]

@@conorkeane8549 If you have a collection of gold you're probably never going to have any problems finding a buyer at close to market price even if it's just a jar of jeweler scrap. That's the difference.

[@DotDeck]

so does everything in general society smart man

[@gubigubigubigubi]

As a yu gi oh player the only thing I'm shocked about is that they didn't reprint those cards 4-5 more times to get the price down to 5-10 dollars before banning them 😹

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Magic the gathering is bad but nowhere near as bad as Yu-Gi-Oh is 💯

[@japan8o826]

Dude I have been saying this same shit🤣🤣🤣 main reason I dropped ygo in the trickstar era…massa I’m tired

[@SunnyHF-nf4bc]

⁠​⁠@@japan8o826 Facts. I’m not even priced out of the game. However, buying in bulk is exhausting. Ordering cards is exhausting. It doesn’t feel good to pay market price for something that you know will go down in value in 3-6 months. There are so many other things that money would be better spent on.

[@younguzithug]

Dockside extorted so many people

[@robertdascoli949]

RICO is getting enforced.

[@andrewdaniels8496]

As an Urza player I can confirm a shit load

[@younguzithug]

People jumping on mana vault also hilarious as that can be banned easily too

[@batmanwins5701]

Haven't played in years but I have multiple copies of these cards, I guess I should have sold them. 😂

[@Krindig]

Best comment I've read this week 😂

[@Whitebushido]

MTG as an investment vehicle is already a fool's errand.

[@boobox2000]

I think it's less about it being an investment and say, I just bought a Mana Crypt for my Commander deck and look at that, now I'm no allowed to play it, and I can't offload it for anywhere near the cost.

[@Kalenz1234]

With how volatile the market can be there definitely is potential in it as an investment opportunity. Disregarding really old cards there were many opportunities were you could by singles and sell them for dozens or hundreds of times as much just months later. If someone just bought a few hundred alpha, beta and unlimited boosters and sold them 20 years later they'd be set for life but that's never gonna happen again.

[@michaelmuller4754]

@@boobox2000 You can still play with a pod. It only effects you if you're at a sanctioned event. Everyone talks about "It's not about the money." But you care because you can't offload it at cost? Its about the money....

[@Whitebushido]

@boobox2000 again you're seeing it as something that should hold value, very few things in life are appreciating assets outside of real investments and even those are not guaranteed. It sucks but you can still play it in casual play and it's still in your collection.

[@Whitebushido]

@Kalenz1234 That ship sailed decades ago, anything marketed as collectible these days is often way too mass produced to ever even hold value let alone appreciate.

[@ramz3119]

I'm opening a patron account just to close it after this news

[@everythingmetal9400]

Lol

[@smashingintoyou]

Same X 2

[@freezechill]

Haha

[@KrepsyK]

Lol

[@Snamify]

I like your way of thinking

[@ActionMan153]

Oh NOOOO, individuals who have been hoarding massive amounts of worthless cardboard shocked to find it is indeed now worthless!

[@fuwa9616]

But that doesn't stop you from putting your entire life savings in massive amounts of worthless paper

[@Sogeking995]

@@fuwa9616 Imagine thinking this is a good point

[@staracer9414]

@@fuwa9616I think the US Dollar has a little bigger backing than MTG cards. Just a thought

[@BAMvideos12]

​@@fuwa9616I can buy a house with paper

[@Corpsemaker-TV]

@@staracer9414 just one problem, the dollar is not printed on any form of paper. it's actually a tightly controlled type of linen aka cloth that's why if you wash some currency forgot in say a pair of pants, it stays intact and comes out fairly clean as opposed to turning into a mashed up paste like substance.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

The thing is, if they want to sell $250+ boxes every few months, the consumer needs to have confidence in the product or else its just throwing money into the wind in the name of being game pieces. Great, then each box should be $50. Ticket to Ride has game pieces. Settlers of Catan has game pieces. You buy those games and you have the whole game, great. Maybe an expansion comes, whatever, but for the most part, you have the whole game. Mtg is a luxury, collectible card game with endless content. If you want me to consume on a constant cycle, i need to believe it’s worth it.

[@monkey39128]

Agreed. You can't suck out all the value and then charge more than any other TCG. Mind you what am I saying? They can and do. People will keep lapping it up...

[@Rychlloyd21]

Preach

[@alexisXcore93]

unless special treatment, no card should ever be more than 3-5$

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

AMEN

[@theodorelecher479]

I'm sick of bi-montly standard sets!

[@MAXIMUMintheHORMONE]

In before Rudy transitions to selling ammo and MRE's

[@nationalsocialism3504]

He just buys those... the video is long deleted but when his channel got "banned" for getting too big too fast which got it machine flagged in thr beginning, he posted that satire video of him being depressed holding an AR15

[@thatdude5322]

25 year shelf life boiiiiii

[@TheRetroArtBlog]

“What can be, unburdened by what has been.”

[@RaccoonCityPark]

lmao got em

[@bringontheworld]

😂

[@eebbaa5560]

what the fuck does that mean, kamala harris?

[@Rowrin]

@@eebbaa5560 It means what it means, without meaning what it doesn't.

[@eebbaa5560]

@@Rowrin we exist in the context.

[@Rigonidas]

Hoarder mad that he can’t cash in on new players. New player here. Love this move by MTG.

[@jornbrodthagen8607]

The bans weren't made by Wizards. The commander rules committee used to be an independent organization.

[@TastySnackies]

I am so very glad to see another example how fragile this industry is. If a third-party organization can nuke millions in value with a clean sweep banning, then I have no interest in doing anything but play with these cards. Value means nothing, only gameplay and entertainment matters.

[@magatsu82]

as it should be

[@StrongButAwkward]

Maybe WotC should take this as a lesson to stop going all in on tying their goal to maximize their profits to constantly meddling in and fucking up said third party organization's independent format by creating ridiculously pushed cards to drive sales without regard for the incredibly negative effects of increasing the number of ubiquitous staple cards in a format that is suppose to be about variance, creativity and unique deck identities; drastically increasing the rate of power creep and optimization in a format that isn't suppose to be about constant arms races and forced obsolesce of long played and loved commanders; plus the downstream effects it has on secondary market affordability. IDK, or WotC could just keep printing more Docksides and Nadus to sell product with zero concern for the long term health of the format they have tied their fate to, or the repeated bad will generated every time the RC decides to ban the next purposely broken designed for EDH card WotC put in precons to make sure they sell. Should be fine right? What are us nerds gonna do, buy less sealed product? Clearly WotC doesn't think literally any decision is asinine enough to make that happen, just look at 30th Anniversary.

[@yugen]

you could argue that the gameplay and entertainment is where the most value is stored

[@eebbaa5560]

seriously like how insane is it that some random people with no real power or say in anything managed to just completely nuke the game overnight? this is an unbelievable situation and i'm actually surprised it took magic this long to experience it.

[@yugen]

@@eebbaa5560 Try googling "speculative trading"

[@garlicxlr]

Gambling addiction be like:

[@NobleOne8]

Rudy called it lol, as was foretold. A Jeweled Lotus did sell for 14$ on tcg player

[@shiftyjedi3417]

Rudydomus strikes again

[@devonmack982]

Lower baby go lower u want to pick mine up for a buck a piece lol including my mana crypts

[@TrueMercury-es2vo]

@@devonmack982 sure

[@MrEvan1932]

@@devonmack982please pm

[@TealGaming-fb8bs]

I bought one for 24 and a dockside for 19

[@kamurashops]

I miss the days when card games were for kids to play with and enjoy rather than an "investment" for rich ****s to exploit and hoard.

[@josepablolunasanchez1283]

Trying to turn garbage into a "collectible" is Midas dream of the financial sect. Good luck with that.

[@fuwa9616]

Oh, so never them? Because even back in 1995, you would be upset at rich people for investing in expensive mox cards that were going over $100 to play OP decks. Or Arabian Nights pack that were $10 when a regular booster pack was $3?

[@jameshill2450]

"The cards I have decided to hoard are losing value. This is the end of Magic as we know it."

[@youngfreshsandwitch]

I think you are correct, I came in as a person knowing knowing and 7 mins into the video he still hasent said whats going on

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@youngfreshsandwitch He's quite the yapper.

[@Jordan-Ramses]

I see why he complains about other people's attention spans. He can't make a single point in 30 minutes.

[@erebusvonmori8050]

@@youngfreshsandwitch It looks like the company that makes the game have engaged in a pump-and-dump of their own product.

[@jameshill2450]

@@erebusvonmori8050 That's weird because the company are not the people who make the Commander ban list. Also the company doesn't make any money from single cards having a high price, so you really don't seem to know how this actually works.

[@LNHOUSE]

Still to come: 1. The One Ring reprint and then it's banning. 2. new cards that are similar to every reserved list card but better

[@mbarker_lng]

Imagine something like "Mox Turd"; 0 to cast, taps for any color mana, and gives you 1 life when played. Hasbro can go "see? Not functionally the same as the reserved list cards. Pay us in large bills." If MTG suddenly 'ran out of gas' and was in a state of collapse, trust me- they will do something like this.

[@jovasmav]

People that are way more investment-savvy than me put loads of money on cardboard, which belongs to a company that can change the rules at any given time for their leasure/profit without any regulation aside from what the company itself stipulates. Idk how they handle this.

[@michaelsparks1571]

lmao at #2. 90% of the reserved list are terrible cards that have already been upstaged by functionally-better versions or were so bad there's no point in ever redoing them. Those cards only have value due to scarcity, not gameplay. "Still to come" lol, bruh we've been there for decades.

[@hsheeld]

Foundations!!!!

[@LNHOUSE]

​@@michaelsparks1571 If 90% of reserved list cards have already been replaced by better ones, that means there's still 10% of them that can be improved. Once in a while a reserved list card still spikes due to a new combination with a new cards, so jokes on you!

[@JTNugget]

If game pieces aren't supposed to have financial value then they shouldn't make their cardboard so fucking expensive.

[@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey]

Nailed it

[@JP-id7zq]

then stop buying these secret lairs and collector boosters. anyone from a constructed format knows that a expensive meta card is either gona get banned or reprinted eventually. they never hold their value because they have no value, and the only people that control that is wezerdzzzz

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

Well said

[@IIGe0II]

WOTC doesn't make expensive cardboard. They charge about $2 a card.

[@sbirc254]

The rules committee has no balls. They should have banned Sol Ring no different than mana crypt. The reason they won’t is because all of the precons wizards made would be useable. Like Rudy says it all comes down to Dr. Cocks and Associates can line their pockets with your money.

[@ZnajomiOriginal]

That's exactly why I love this comedy channel - always quick to respond and satirically roast the whole community of 'card game investors,' who are somehow surprised that the priority in making decisions about card game cards is the state of the card game itself lol.

[@Scarbuckks]

Jeweled Lotus on the cover of a recent set? Yep. Multiple "Chase" Mana Crypts in a recent set? Yep. In talks about banning both of those cards while they're actively being printed? YEP.

[@michaelwinans4853]

Dockside Extortionist also on The List in LCI

[@falkranduhm10]

They have more than a year of design process.

[@michaelwinans4853]

@@falkranduhm10 People are so stuck on that. Isn't it curious that the RC was "considering" banning these cards for years, but only did so after Wizards got to cash in on the reprint equity? Why didn't they just get banned last Summer? It couldn't be because Wizards already had chase reprints planned right?

[@Kalenz1234]

@@michaelwinans4853 Wouldn't surprise me if wotc threatens legal action unless the commander committee plays nice.

[@JacktheDoctor]

@@michaelwinans4853 Correct. Only a moron doesn't realize that this was purposely done after the cards were milked as much as possible as chase cards in multiple sets each. The bans make sense overall, mechanically. They do NOT make sense timing wise. This is what hurts, this is why it is such a dangerous precedent, why it shatters consumer confidence.

[@Xandia1994]

What I want to know is: When did the members of the committee dump their copies of these cards?

[@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey]

Big brain thoughts

[@trevorjamieson8892]

I don't remember where I heard, but I think I heard someone say that the committee weren't allowed to sell their copies while the discussion about the banning was going on.

[@timmyd4426]

When did Nancy Pelosi dump her money pirates?

[@josefriecken]

​@@trevorjamieson8892 what's the enforcement mechanism on this?

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

This

[@butteryfriedwizard2219]

Jeweled Lotus can be very absorbant if you put enough of them on the floor.

[@zacharybecker8228]

It absolutely doesn't require a reserve list( if you want to reserve list art thats fine it makes it a collectible without effecting the availability of the card); but if they just had reprinted these cards alot more and they wern't 80-150 bucks and only like 10 bucks people wouldnt care nearly as much. It's a game meant to be played not a stock market

[@JacktheDoctor]

True, but then WotC couldn't sell Commander Masters for $300+. WotC wants the cake and to eat it too.

[@nibernator]

Lmao they sell these boxes for $$$$$$$ Total waste of money Lmao

[@bensheard3969]

You really think people in large businesses like this legitimately know any other way to operate besides worshipping the stock market

[@zacharybecker8228]

@@bensheard3969 no which is why people like him are part of what's wrong with the hobby

[@TheGingertarian]

@zacharybecker8228 Printing cards into the dirt doesn't fix the problem. If your solution is to print and print and print and print, you may as well release product with a guaranteed list of cards included...and that's what a commander precon deck is. However, a lot of that product doesn't push. Stores can sell sealed booster boxes but if a new EDH precon isnt revolutionary and good, it becomes radioactive deadstock. Why would I buy 80% reprints for the 20% of new cards when 90% of those new cards aren't even good? And of that 10% that's good, rarely will they ever be worth more than $10. So genuinely ask yourself, why would I spend $50+ to get less than $10 worth of new, good cards? That is a terrible sales pitch to your customers.

[@nednederlander849]

The real value is not in the cards but in the friends we make along the way 😊

[@jorgenorberto293]

Yeah... Fuck that when I just got nuked for well over 2k € in a heartbeat.

[@NicVicious-y1e]

I'm pretty sure no.... I don't think that's it... Cause all your friends are being replaced by digital zoomers that play arena.. That seems like the opposite of treasure ... .I think the real treasure was the $50 pulls that you sold on time Into the hype.

[@aliensoup1218]

​@@NicVicious-y1e your friendship value seems cheap

[@cookiesandmilk6421]

@@jorgenorberto293 womp womp. Why are you using magic as an investment plan? Bans are to keep the play experience healthy and keep a format fresh. That always has priority over investment buyers. Don't like it? Invest in something else. There's no tabletop game attached to loads of other investment ideas. Do stocks or some shit man

[@TGPDrunknHick]

@@cookiesandmilk6421 frankly the entitlement to keeping card value over game enjoyment some people have is ridiculous.

[@DerekS-kq3zh]

Never forget that these are collectibles. They have no utility, no inherent value, no one has vital need of them. Anyone treating them as an investment should be prepared for this kind of thing to happen

[@snickle1980]

"Small rectangular objects which require a little effort on your part and make no beep-beep-beep-beeps."-

[@tannerlawrence4287]

They do have an inherent value, they’re useful for whatever context they’re in. When a decision like this is made, the problem isn’t the fact that they’re cardboard. It’s that a decision was made knowing that this would affect everyone with absolutely no warning.

[@piscenicprodigy8816]

​@tannerlawrence4287 Wouldn't the warning have the same effect, though? The price of cards is decided by how much people want them. If everyone learns that they won't be desirable next month, then the crash will just happen now instead of in a month.

[@dough4prez]

They're not an investment, they're my cards and I want to play with them.

[@DerekS-kq3zh]

@@tannerlawrence4287 No, they do not have an inherent value. They have a subjective value to some people, but you cannot eat them or use them as fuel. They have no value in and of themselves. That's an important thing to understand

[@tftd6471]

Noooo! My proxies are worthless!

[@jameshogan4679]

Its funny even after seeing this comment 49 times in 24 hours. Lets see if we go make it to 50!!

[@punishedcranky]

Based

[@FreeStylinFritz]

RIP

[@notlisztening9821]

This is just another reason why you should not allow your playgroup to proxy (or if you do, lay down a lot of heavy rules). If you wanna play a hundred dollar card, you have better paid the money for that, because on average the pricier a card, the more pay-to-win it is.

[@jamesl7813]

@@notlisztening9821that has to be the dumbest backwards logic to why people shouldn’t use proxies. You are literally gatekeeping the game behind “being able to afford it”. Let people enjoy the game and play the cards that exist within the game

[@sirslob1]

I buy this game to PLAY it NOT to hoard cardboard and pretend it’s a stock market.

[@thebobbybabbitt7703]

Lol maybe this will be a turning point in trading cards. Where people will stop spending $100+ on single pieces of cardboard. Maybe the secondary market will learn from this and all cards will tank in value. It won't happen, but a boy can dream

[@halcyonacoustic7366]

lol

[@budderk1305]

destroy all formats but pauper, no more shareholders no more masters

[@nekrataali]

JtMS was over $100 when he was in Standard and ate a ban. That was over a decade ago and people still didn't learn lmao

[@BloodsCaress]

lol you should see the cards that have only gone up

[@Pulsefalce]

I mean its also important to have value in the cards because its supporting local game shops with profit generated through the secondary market of singles. Having that 3rd space to play is important.

[@hyboirds1536]

This is why buying ammo will always be smarter then buying pieces of cardboard... buy things that have actual value. Not pretend value. Things that have tangible uses in the real world, not the world of fantasy.

[@acerhoa5]

Of course but if you're not interested in ammo or guns then you wont want to invest in it. It depends on the character.

[@hyboirds1536]

@acerhoa5 kinda. I know a few people who don't shoot and have big stashes of ammo as part of their portfolio. My parents have been doing it since the 80s and they don't shoot. Seen plenty of other people online talk about it even if they don't shoot. People who do shoot sometimes stock up on rare and hard to get ammo they don't even have guns for because it grows in value. I'm not interested in gold but I still own some. It's basically the same thing. It's a currency.

[@duesexistat5016]

Don’t know why I’m here. Quit the game last year and honestly couldn’t be happier. So sick of all the constant fomo, newer better cards that you had to run or get run over, the constant arms race, 4/5 games just watching your opponents go off, then the one good game you have you’re targeted (rightfully). The list goes on. Bought myself an $80 jeweled lotus back in the day, never drew it once 😂 before selling it with everything else. If you’re on the fence about quitting a tcg, let me tell you it’s worth it! There is life and joy on the other side. Dueces.

[@endlessorbaggins8223]

Same. I quitted two years ago. I now look back like if I was indoctrinated in a cult. In the end it is just a game. I agree with all you said.

[@embracedpaiin5429]

This is a form of insider trading . I guarantee that each member of the rules committee sold their cards “dockside jeweled lotus mana crypt and nardu” before the ban happened . I am willing to bet my entire collection

[@JabeRaddle]

As a player and not really an investor I'm just going to proxy everything from now on. I own all the cards that were banned and to have my collection drop several hundred dollars out of nowhere and the cards to not even be playable anymore is a huge wakeup call. Not spending my hard earned money on this BS anymore.

[@BizkVizc]

whaat?? wasting money on cardboard is bad??? but its high quality cardboard. yeah youre dumb

[@nickparry4997]

Not playable is still kind of a silly take. I get proxying, I do it a lot too because the cards are expensive, but are you playing in sanctioned Commander tournaments that uphold the ban list or something? If your group was okay with Mana Crypts before, I bet they're okay with Mana Crypts now. I feel like what you're really complaining about is the financial value of your cards, where I agree with Rudy. They shouldn't be looked at this way. When you pay $250 for a Crypt, you should consider than money gone, in the same way it is when you spend $250 on a really fancy meal. You get your experience.

[@Zalviongames]

People act as if this has never happened in mtg before. Powerful cards are expensive. Powerful cards get banned. Its part of the game.

[@CaptureXI]

@@nickparry4997 my group follows the ban list even though its casual

[@devonmack982]

Shouldn't have payed hundred for a single card not from alpha or beta your own fault

[@davidsantiago7808]

as someone who proxies for commander, i was watching the drama with Schadenfreude. People really be wasting thousands on not just cardboard but SINGLE COPIES OF A CARD and its hilarious

[@DrHakennase]

I mean sure some rarer cards could be like 30-50 euro/dollar but spending hundreds or thousand and investing in MTG cards istn really the way to go^^ Its just a table top game maybe invest in something more stable. And this hits only those who treat mtg as a market. Well whoopsie these bans doesnt effect me in the slightest^^

[@Suplexus]

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

[@mrwiddim]

You can't get fooled again

[@hijikata530]

“There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.” ― George W. Bush

[@barfyman-dm6zx]

Those boxes of cards not being on pallets is a prime example of that!

[@finmat95]

Nope, it's "Fool me once shame on Rudy, fool me twice shame on WotC"

[@chronomill1137]

If you don't buy expensive cardboard, you won't lose any money when they inevitably tank in price.

[@Jack-cc3qm]

I was smart. I always invest in crunchy tacos. Because if I'm forced into a hold position, I get soft tacos and still profit!

[@davidweisgerber1197]

The worst part about this whole video is having to wait another day for sorcery spoilers.

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

Agreed

[@alternativereality-e6i]

Yea 😂

[@darthkoo5000]

You wanted to see another pump and dump video, aka Metazoo 2.0?

[@floorsweepings666]

indeed

[@fargoretro]

Collecting is not a free market activity. It is a monopoly that Wizards/Nintendo/Funko have over you. Stop supporting monopolies

[@RockyBalboaBCI]

I moved to Grand Archive and I'm glad I did

[@beatboxingblueberry5515]

"...laying the groundwork for something soon" They may have alienated a large enough group of players that the 'something new' won't be bought up like before. This could backfire insanely hard on them in that instance.

[@altrivotzck6565]

Yeah. There's no way they would ever decide to ban Mana Crypt or Jeweled Lotus "for the money" Anyone with half a brain can see that this would tank their future sales. Not even WoTC is that stupid.

[@cardboardcastle4427]

With the success of the ONE RING and a Marvel set on the horizon , the chances of an infinity gauntlet/ gems that cost a pretty penny and are OP is extremely high, in my opinion.

[@gene8447]

Its so fun watching people who dont play in tournaments actually pay for expensive cards. Keep your tears off my proxies.

[@Thumpdizzle]

See, I was thinking you weren't going to directly address this topic. Well played by taking this one head on.

[@themkt9438]

It directly affects his holdings

[@krysto2012]

My thoughts on the matter (you used in the general sense) : 1) if you're quitting mtg because these 4 cards got banned, that says a lot about you as a player and your priorities. If slamming Jeweled Lotus was critical to your ability to enjoy EDH, goooood riddance. 2) CEDH is highly likely to splinter off eventually and might unban these cards plus many others, those are the types of players most likely to pay big bucks for these cards in the first place, not kitchen table players. 3) don't invest money you aren't willing to lose, especially if the value of that investment runs contrary to the interests of the company that produces them.

[@maximillianhallett3055]

cEDH doesn’t have a wide enough player base to split off. The issue is casuals weren’t policing themselves.

[@ModelsWorkshop]

One of the RC already said they coordinated with WOTC over the last year to make sure there wasn't any drops that had the cards they banned in it. Makes me wonder about Ancient Tomb, and Mana Vault.

[@Heavenknight_Infinite]

they are next target. they want to removed anything relate to power expensive card. so stupid. lol

[@tommieboi707]

Ok so they make expensive cards a chase card for a set and then ban them 6 months later. That is going to ruffle some feathers. Consumer confidence out the door!

[@richardalan5064]

Also makes you realize that the Commander Masters boosters thrown in the Vegas box were just offloaded fluff.

[@Heavenknight_Infinite]

@@richardalan5064 pure bait and trolling. wow...

[@richardalan5064]

@@Heavenknight_Infinite how so? Someone else mentioned that selling a product while knowing ahead of time that its chase contents will soon be banned and not hold value would be considered fraud. Just connecting those dots, not trolling or baiting at all. But go ahead and assume if you want to.

[@austink.9223]

Watch wizards starts releasing $1000 cEDH packs with chase cards from the reserve list while at the same time announcing a new cEDH committee

[@misterwile]

cEDH is for thugs. let them cry.

[@mikeutube011]

On the upside I just bought a special guest mana crypt for £60. There’s no rules committee at my kitchen table

[@DevStarkiller]

This is the way.

[@AlexM-nl6nx]

@@DevStarkillerthis is the way

[@AlexM-nl6nx]

Exactly, and when I go to a lgs, I will say I play it and laugh when someone cries banned

[@GoldenSunAlex]

@@AlexM-nl6nx And then everyone will ignore you and move on. Already seen someone try that - he got told he could count it as a basic land. Another guy asked if he could rule 0 it before the game, and someone else said sure, so long as he could run Shaharazed.

[@RicardoOtero]

I kid you not. I decided to quit MTG and sold Mana Crypt, Jeweled Lotu, and Dockside this past Saturday. I still can't believe it.

[@macsenhayes]

Everybody cashed out someday, you can't take it with you. I sold my collection for nothing right before Modern came out, but in the long run I probably saved myself tens of thousands by crushing my dreams early on.

[@lobes117]

I quit playing years ago, and internally struggled to sell those cards for the longest time I finally got my answer-wayyyyy too late lol

[@finmat95]

Good choice TImmy, have a nice day and a nice life outside MTG.

[@mikeweaver5894]

My buddy just got his secret lair festival in a box 3 days ago. He pulled a non foil frame break jeweled lotus in the commander masters collector pack. He doesn't have a ton of high end cards and was quite happy to pull it. Didn't even get to play it once before it got banned.

[@konnorspencer902]

Did he cry or are you crying for him lol

[@ginopepinoo]

Rip

[@tylerrusnak7736]

They can still play it. Nadu was the only problem here. Lotus is only good in mono one collor commander based decks, dockside isn't a problem, and mana crypt is just sol ring that hurts you.

[@FrozenMopars]

Play the stupid card. Ignore the ban.

[@wadewilson5712]

the bans only matter for tourneys playing home just means rule 0 same as if some wanted to put a few proxcys in their deck. my rule for procy cards is 3 not counting most lands.

[@redheadmedia7901]

See, stuff like this is why i don't believe game pieces should be as expensive as something like Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt and Dockside. These cards should've been reprinted in commander pre-cons. Now, don't get me wrong, i do think there should be a reserved list for more modern cards but only when it comes to special art treatments. I want Wizards to come out and say that they'll never reprint art from Secret Lairs, Alt Arts from different sets, etc. This way, game pieces are affordable but there's variants that we know will hold at least some value because that particular art won't ever be reprinted again.

[@theoneandonlystanima7018]

Right, like the art investment world. Game pieces should be cheap. Art collectors pieces and numbered cards. Let the whales whale.

[@mr.nakamura9088]

The benefits of proxy everything makes more sense with each passing year. I didn't own any of the cards banned but they were headliner chase cards in every set they saw appearances in. The bigger F you here is that the other fast mana pieces weren't banned (Grim monolith, Mana Vault, Mox Diamond) when it would have had the same argument. This is really cruel to anyone who paid anything close to retail highs for those cards.

[@Heavenknight_Infinite]

yeah, proxies has to be safe to play i dont care or give a crap Wotc of any local store say oh you need to buy them in order to play them to win in tournment. 99% of players won't do it. they will be doing borrowing and lending instead having real cards. wanna know why? THEY WILL SCAMMED YOU after banned these stupid card. play safe. print well and ENJOY the game!

[@redredbluemustard]

I’d offload my real cards to make more proxies. Premodern will live forever.

[@OwnedByTheState]

And now mana vault is spiking through the roof. I can only imagine the insider trading shenanigans that happen in these circles. You just KNOW that people are colluding to dump cards ahead of bans and taking positions in similar cards that they know are going to spike as a result.

[@Lightn0x]

Game balance should always ALWAYS have priority over financials. This was the correct move, and speculators can suck the big one. You invest in an overpowered card, you should be fully aware that there is a risk it will become banned at some point in the future.

[@darthdoody5373]

100% this

[@srekcapyabneerg7810]

Strongly disagree, the odds of drawing 1 out of 99 cards in commander is low enough to not ban any card for being to powerfull. Myself and many people I know have saved and bought these cards because we like being competitive and we aren't sore losers. You shouldn't be able to buy a precon and compete with somone who has been playing and collecting 20 plus years and if you want to then you should have to invest in the same way or like everyone was already doing have a conversation about power level before you play.

[@danabufis8850]

I agree it should be banned but they set the precedent these cards are okay for over 5 years. In the case of mana crypt much longer. It is a betrayal of the long term consumer. This completely ignores the expectations of the player and destroys the status quo. Not saying it’s bad to remove the issue, but when you say these pieces are okay for so long, don’t be surprised when people are upset

[@nothingbutstatic]

If it's not in one of the first 6 sets or on the reserved list, it's not a collector's item, and really shouldn't cost more than $30 bucks or so on the secondary market. If you're paying more than that, your paying for the playability, and should expect the cards to lose value. If certain cards are too overpowered and demand causes the price to go sky high, Wizards has 2 options: reprint to increase supply and level the playing field (usually the preferred option) or if that doesn't work and the card is really overused and wins the game too often, then ban it to improve gameplay.

[@lesjonpool]

You are obtuse. Some of us purchased sealed product and pulled the cards during draft or sealed. Those cards were some of my most prized pulls and I enjoyed playing the game. Why not have enjoyment in more that one way?

[@threeleggedcatX]

The question should be, "In the event of an emergency situtation, will I be able to sell my collectables in an expedient manner, or can I trade them for necessities such as fuel, food, or medical supplies?" If you say "no" to this question you may have invested in the wrong thing.

[@axeljohannes3464]

Gotcha! I'm headed straight out to sell my stocks and instead fill up my apartment with Spam and canned beans

[@threeleggedcatX]

@@axeljohannes3464 There's always one in the bunch. "What's for dinner?" "Magic and Pokemon cards!" "Aww man. I'm tired of the taste of Gengar."

[@sniperfrog6735]

​@axeljohannes3464 Why would anyone have stocks or bonds😂 Because your exactly in the same situation as a Magic collector. 😂 Precious medals is the only way to go. Poor guy... you have fell for it hook line and sinker...

[@nobodyshome6792]

Cardboard is fuel for fire.....

[@nobodyshome6792]

​@@sniperfrog6735bonds are an investment into Government with a guarantee of higher return than initial expenditure. They are not speculative like stocks or collectables are.

[@hersheys4199]

Bro's only valid statement was how this was going to hurt stores that try to stock singles. Otherwise he defended how this would be a hit to actual players between the ages of 16-36 and how these hard working individuals don't deserve to have their hard earned money be disparaged. Then 10 minutes later he made fun of the very same hard working individuals who play the game for fun and as a hobby for not being able to afford these very expensive cards. Guilt tripping Wotc followed by a 180 degree to make fun of those who are less fortunate. Insane.

[@milii113]

I'm sympathetic to the idea that it's gonna hurt stores, that's completely valid. But to say that 16-17 year olds are commonly playing $500+ decks and are hurt by this is ludicrous. If you treat card games like an investment then don't be surprised when it crashes. Maybe if enough of these speculators leave the scene wotc might actually print sets to the people who play and not have to tip toe around the secondary market.

[@fuwa9616]

@@milii113 Investors keep the game alive for the same reason why they kept magic alive in the mid 90s. The only reason why the TCG model works is if the collectible has value, or else why would any LSG and hardcore player invest tons of money and time into the game that allows it to thrive. Casual players who treat the game like monopoly do not.. No wotc will not print sets to people who play, because the game will start declining for the same reason casual players weren't enough to save hundreds of other TCG.

[@fuwa9616]

@@milii113 I do not understand why you don't play games where all the game pieces are available to you, instead of a collectible card game which by definition, cannot be cheap game pieces.

[@fuwa9616]

You are a pretty bitter timmy, having to invent things to slander rudy instead of accepting that you chose to play a luxury card game, and if you didn't want too, maybe you should consider chess. You won't have to worry about an expensive game piece there.

[@hersheys4199]

@fuwa9616 brother I'm happy about the bans. Rudy is bitter and ranted for 30 minutes without providing any complex insight. Womp womp.

[@SD_Koy]

Been waiting to hear Rudy's take.

[@iExploder]

Same here.

[@dendostar5436]

Aye sir.

[@FreeStylinFritz]

Ditto

[@mateastman1765]

Same

[@nbrisendine457]

Why??????

[@RayneOfSalt]

I was wondering who was gonna be first to be insanely hyperbolic and nonsensical about the latest ban list update. I shouldn't be surprised that it's Rudy. (For those who missed it, none of the 4 cards banned were "staples" in edh because they were stupidly expensive). I've seen 1 Jewelled Lotus at a table in the last year of gaming, a handful of Docksides and 0 nadus or mana crypts (and you won't see crypt outside of cedh or ultra-high power games).

[@Anibem]

Remember the term "game piece" you love to mock so much? Well, a game rule just f'ed up your entire community of basement investors. Not a rule made by "random people", as you claim, but by people who actually knows how to play the damn GAME.

[@fuwa9616]

Yes, and this is proof why cards shouldn't be game pieces because this move just fractured your player base and hosed a bunch of stores that bother to invest with Magic. So why do you think its a win when Rudy doesn't bother with modern single cards because he knows the risk?

[@fuwa9616]

Seriously, if you want cheap game pieces, maybe consider a game like Chess or monoploy, and not a collectible card game. A card game with cheap game pieces is a card game that won't last long.

[@zarozinia1168]

"cards shouldn't be game pieces" so you're just really stupid then ok

[@foxhoundms9051]

Old school Pokemon and Magic cards are the GOAT

[@everythingmetal9400]

Hell yeah just got into vintage Pokemon not to invest but to collect. Currently working on getting all the gym challenges cards and the light and dark versions of the Pokemon.

[@foxhoundms9051]

@@everythingmetal9400 Nice bro, I'm 11 holo rare cards away from all 151. Complete Base Set. I'm not investing either, just love the way they look 😅

[@monkey39128]

So many good deals on vintage Pokemon singles right now!

[@everythingmetal9400]

@@monkey39128 nice

[@everythingmetal9400]

@@foxhoundms9051 nice I'm working on getting light Arcanine and light Espeon

[@isaiahsmith8379]

Remember, EDH is a community made game. The rules are what we make them.

[@ArenaRat-xd8fu]

Lol cant that be said for all mtg games

[@Crovax]

@@ArenaRat-xd8fu absolutely

[@pj3346]

That's what I'm saying. If it's a community created format, why does anyone in particular have a say rather than the people playing?

[@Leroyantithesis]

I do t really follow commander… I always played the original game… I don’t follow this logic. This is a technicality… a distinction without a difference at this point that holds no water. MTG is an IP that allows this group to operate and allows for them to do what they do. Wizards publishes the game and they can’t do anything without wizards okay… because they license and print the product, box editions and send it out. So…. I’m not really understanding why the genesis of the game, that it was fan made at its inception, has any bearing or meaning to what is occurring today.

[@madjoe8622]

You can live in a fairy tale, but you can't escape reality.

[@jimmyvieraart]

Good. I hope every card goes to a penny. It’s a game not an investment

[@stayhomewarrior9854]

Honestly, i hope people start taking my new approach of not buying mtg product and only buy proxys of cards i want.

[@snickle1980]

I have enough cards that i could go without ever buying again.

[@billybones6463]

I used to play legacy and had a playset of chalice of the void, chrome mox, mox diamond, grim monolith, force of will, underground sea, cavern of souls. I sold them all back in like 2018 and if I ever play again, i'm just proxying everything bc theyre so good nowadays, 90% of the players will never notice

[@OwnedByTheState]

​@@billybones6463 and also at least in my area nobody cares if you use proxies. They just want to play.

[@patrickbateman69420]

This kind of shit is why I stopped buying Magic altogether ages ago. WOTC and Hasbro have steadily brought my faith in the entire brand down to absolute zero.

[@bewbunyon1]

It's hard walking away from something that's been a part of your life for so long. But the mismanagement and betrayals/deceptions are getting harder and harder to ignore.

[@drk6067]

This is me too...spot on. Up until I got FUCKED hard by some MTG sponsored store out of Florida by paying for 4 boxes of collector Fallout 3 months early....and then only receiving a $50 dollar pre-made deck because they sent me the wrong product mistake, I have not and will not EVER spend another penny on this garbage. I used to spend anywhere from 8 to 12 k a year buying MTG. Have since 3rd edition. Now that's done. Fuck WOTC!!!

[@alexparrish6604]

You were right Rudy, Jeweled Lotus is only worth $20.

[@DrewskiTheLegend]

It’s not worth anything. It has the same legality as a Taco Bell coupon with “jeweled lotus” written on it, because it’s only playable in a joke format.

[@imajorday]

​@DrewskiTheLegend funny that this "joke" format is basically keeping the game alive. After Covid more high end formats died in alot of the world.

[@warrenbuitendag5286]

Stopped playing and buying MTG 4 years ago. Best decision of my life.

[@mrivera6975]

Oh this gonna be good

[@PathisArcana]

My bold prediction: Temple of the Ancients will be a Ancient Tomb reprint in Final Fantasy.

[@danielbretado7660]

Final Fantasy will be modern legal. You want ancient tomb in modern?

[@brandonberger9952]

And then banned 6 months later after they’ve sold enough boxes.

[@jtmoney606]

@@danielbretado7660 no way the 20 life you just lose too much, its definitely way more powerful in commander and I hope it don't get banned, plus there's no decks really playing a lot 2 cost colorless stuff besides maybe ruby, it been insane getting out a medallion turn 1 lol

[@PathisArcana]

@@danielbretado7660 Ancient Tomb was also reprinted in Lord of the Rings.

[@theoreowhisperer2560]

I can remember a few years back when this whole EDH rules committee came into question, back when everyone was loosing their shit over Walking Dead Secret Lair. All of these people and all of these channels were demanding they ban those cards from EDH legality. When they didn’t, everyone heaped a bunch of crap on them. Eventually everyone excepted the reality that if the committee would have stood by their laurels, WoTc would have removed them and replace it with something else that fit their narrative.

[@southsteff]

I sold my collection for 80k $ in 2013 and never looked back... My collection would be worth less today then it was in 2013 because of Modern masters. I fucken love hearing about this stuff because FUCK Wizards Of The COAST!

[@grantholomeu3725]

I think the biggest thing that possibly makes this time different is the fact that we already have standard as a rotating set. People see that and say, "Well I don't want to buy cards only for them to lose value later, so I think I'll play Commander instead." Or maybe modern or something else, but more often than not, Commander because it's the easiest and cheapest to get into with the largest player base. Back in the day when it was called EDH, it had no oversight by Wizards and the new best card in your deck could be 25 cents. But now the atmosphere has shifted, because we're now at a point where Wizards has said, "We're going to oversee what is printed with EDH in mind so nothing is too overpowered," then print overpowered and overpriced cards just to sabotage the core of their player base, young adults who want to spend some kind of money on cool cardboard, but not too much. And the fact that they've touched the sacred format where bans like that have never happened before is something. There have been EDH bans before, but that's mostly from old cards which were designed without EDH in mind and were broken due to the format's specific rules. Never before has something been made for Commander, hyped up for Commander, sold for a huge price tag, and then been culled just a year or two later.

[@MistaHoward]

The fault lies with WOTC for printing overpowered cards on purpose and turning Commander into a rotating format like they've done with modern and to a lesser extent legacy and vintage. The only thing the rules committee has done wrong is not banning these blatantly broken cards within a month of their printing and waiting years to appease WOTC.

[@MrTomemac]

Like all things, Hasbro went for the path of least resistance. They know ppl would fork the cash over for the POWAHHHHHH!!!!. They let go of a ton of people so you know there is no play balance going on to a meaningful degree. There is no careful curation of either standard and most certainly not commander. Commander was just the happy accident of the global health crisis. So they just rolled with it. Now here we are. But this was long in coming, I mean, if you want to see how awful it is play Arena and behold how unfun Magic has become thanks to the POWAAAHHHHHHHH!. Now transplant those feels to Commander, the biggest format right now and you have a recipe for all the parts of the system suddenly start to crack and buckle under the weight of its own stupidity.

[@lapsehc]

One of main reasons people were willing to invest loads of money into commander cards was because it is ("was"???) the ultimate eternal format and there was a perceived zero risk, outside of reprints, that the cards would always maintain their value. Many people believed and rightfully so that the RC would eventually just un-ban most things on the ban list because of the power creep that was occurring in the format. The damage this decision will cause is going to be huge and I think it will have a much greater impact than magic 30 did. Everyone I have talked to and played some games with since the bans are not going to be buying cards anymore. Everyone is just going to proxy for commander now which was already a trend that was picking up... They needed to split commander into casual and cedh with this announcement and form a separate RC for both. Hopefully something happens soon on this front because cedh is basically dead with these bans... We never truly had a cedh format until jeweled lotus was printed and mana crypt game down in price because of reprints. If you are playing cedh post bans it basically comes down to the die roll at this point. These cards allowed for a much more even playing field when playing competitively. Very few people would play these cards in their casual pods so it truly makes no sense why they did this. Its so shady and they have destroy our confidence in their decision making and the cardboard they are printing. Unbelievable...

[@jarnopiispanen3483]

Everybody plays proxied CEDH decks in casual commander night, so forcing that format to take over the whole magic is definitely our problem. Don't know If you have personally done this, but your toxic format partners are the reason behind this banning. Instead should've kept your "must win on turn one" toxic bs in it's own events and stuff.

[@slantize]

Can’t wait to play against only thoracle decks in cedh

[@lapsehc]

@@slantize many many more games will be determined by turn order now from what i can tell. like i have said, these cards not only would allow for god draws but more often they act as a way for people to make epic comebacks. so many decks were killed too.. get ready for rog/si and blue farm winter.

[@George-mm8cr]

Rip to dockside, jeweled lotus, mana crypt, the 4th seat at a cEDH table, and any non blue cEDH decks

[@12jacobmar]

Rudy! You gotta get those boxes off the floor, you don't want a potential flood taking those out. 😢

[@marksabin7094]

It's almost as if investing tons of money into cardboard for a children's card game isn't a wise choice. Also those cards were long overdue for a ban. commander isn't supposed to be a turbo format.

[@LuisDiegoRamirezE]

Its a non official format, which means it doesnt really follows any ban list,.... and people are able to play turbo or as slow as they want, as long as you talk to each other, balance 50000 or more cards its imposible, so commander is more like a joke format.

[@phillipfry8141]

it's not a children's card game, it's not schutes and ladders. Magic is more complicated than chess, explain the Thassa's oracle combo to a 6 year old and prove me wrong I guess.

[@nekrataali]

@@phillipfry8141 I started playing Magic when I was 9, which is around the time I also started playing chess. I played with my friends at daycare who were my age or younger. We all understood how Black Lotus -> Channel -> Fireball worked lmao You want to be a big boy then make big boy decisions. Don't spend money you can't lose on collectables. This isn't even the first time MtG has banned a $100 card from a widely played format.

[@GoodguyGastly]

😂😂😂​@@phillipfry8141

[@karlbastos2800]

​@phillipfry8141 it children's card game just chill just cause you made it your personality doesn't change it

[@CalledTurnAGundam]

Who hedges their bets on a commander card?

[@Firevine]

The idiots who act like that garbage format is the greatest thing since Jesus sliced bread.

[@spotfinder11]

100% out of Magic. Never felt so liberated. Everyone should give it a try.

[@mariuspuiu9555]

now time to find your next "fix"

[@andrzejsokola]

Now it's time for FaB. Such a good game with caring staff, that puts good player experience at first place

[@axelbrackeniers5488]

Most people are casual players and play with 40 dollar decks. If you never get super invested and spend thousands, you can never feel “stuck”. If you never take it super seriously, you’ll always be liberated

[@Shittlebees]

Same, dude. Sold out years ago because I felt this coming. Been playing since Mirage and I've been disappointed in the last 10 years of shennanigans

[@jovasmav]

I know that feeling, when I sold all my modern decks

[@renegadebaker5695]

Be aware the commander advisory group and the rules committee are 2 separate entities

[@DickCheneyXX]

Both need to go.

[@thechikage1091]

Loving how many people are finally realizing that a game played with card stock with fantasy characters painted on them is a remarkably stupid investment vehicle lmao, everyone who is mad they lost money deserves it. This is a lesson in financial literacy.

[@kalackninja]

dog, its not a bad investment. Its theft. When you ban cards for no reason and then the value tanks it wasn't because the investment soured. It was because we were stolen from.

[@thechikage1091]

@@kalackninja You're the one who paid $100 for cardboard buddy, stay mad at your terrible financial literacy

[@kalackninja]

@@thechikage1091 finical literacy? dog your a communist who can't even understand inflation what makes you think you're not tarded for making this point. you are arguing that someone selling you a car with a bad engine in it without telling you is some how ok because you think its silly to own a car. FOF

[@gwills9337]

Agreed but Nerd’s larping is what nerds do.

[@fuwa9616]

@@thechikage1091 While true, you have to remember that Magic thrives on players with even worse financial literacy, since many spent $100 on cardboard just to play the game, with an EV of 0 to them since they weren't even considering it an investment.

[@user-bn6rl1vt9z]

Official cedh format launch. Backlash artificially created to launch official format

[@Kalenz1234]

Why would the commander committee go along with a plan that makes them obsolete?

[@user-bn6rl1vt9z]

@@Kalenz1234 perhaps wotc will just use this move to do so.

[@JaxonRabbit]

black lotus for your commander; ah yes, the old adage remains true, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is

[@G.Snackwell]

This will shift focus to vintage. Mana vault already spiking hard.

[@richardalan5064]

@@G.Snackwell that's from the finance bros speccing on it being a big replacement in cEDH

[@revenantentertainment]

It's also been reprinted to oblivion

[@Jigsawtwig]

Mana vault is more of a combo piece than fast mana. If you just use it once it's like a colorless ritual which is kind of shitty.

[@ravioli9154]

Boohoo, I invest my money in cardboard and they banned an expensive one I bought loads of. Genuinely think it's fucking hilarious how people are losing their shit over a dumbass investment.

[@JazzOfTheStinson]

I fully believe that the rules committee inside traded their cards before the ban

[@oafkad]

Also random aside. They did this same thing with primetime. They put him into a SL then banned him from one of the formats he was being played in before it even released. Really weird to me that people forgot that. I don't think they are quite that organized.

[@mathieupaquette3908]

Biggest issue here is the trust with the product (MTG) as a whole. When you are buying products and quite expensive ones, you expect to be able to play with it. When they are wiping cards and ultimately crushing the boxes that might included them, it’s the same as a Ponzi scheme. You let people buying your products only to discover that it was thin air. Backlash will be bigger than intended. Dumb decision from a business perspective.

[@Kalenz1234]

What backlash? How many people will actually stop buying MTG because of this? And of the few who do who will go to another card game that does the same thing? Konami is 1000x worse than wotc.

[@finmat95]

@@Kalenz1234 We shall see my friend, we shall see.

[@JathraDH]

Well I mean it's not a Ponzi Scheme because a Ponzi Scheme is a very specific type of scam where you take new investments to pay out old investments. It may be a scam but when you say Ponzi Scheme it means one specific thing.

[@michaelsmith7561]

For all the people that bought the singles, remember this: WOTC could give a fuck about you. Let it go. get a printer. It was never worth it.

[@christopherharper5495]

I logged into MTGO and all my decks were invalid, went straight to the RC announcement and just stared at the screen. First thing I did was check book promo mana crypt prices, then I said to myself Rudy is gonna be right about jeweled lotus in the long run, I tip my hat to you sir

[@vangelisgru7271]

😂😂😂😂 i firgot people use mtgo

[@paulowen3271]

i can imagine there are a lot of people that were holding crypts and lotuses thinking of them as an investment and holding sealed boxes because those chase cards were in them. uh oh!

[@brandondayon6400]

rip my foil borderless jeweled lotus

[@TheKrangled]

There's a shitload of sealed boxes that have had their values shoot up and down over the decades. This is nothing new and it's weird people are acting like it is.

[@hannespaulsen]

@@brandondayon6400 Bought 2 a month ago, played one once......

[@devonmack982]

Well that's there fault. They should have sold them instead of being gready or used them.

[@Invictus-Solaris]

Meanwhile people like me are laughing in proxies. 😆

[@JB-sc3fr]

This allows them to make new chase cards, already in plan, to take their place...

[@mannyferrao1013]

It's a game for Pete's sake, don't know why these cardboard cards are worth so much. I won't spend any money on collecting cards. If people were fools to spend that money on a game card then it's their fault that they made these cards so expensive. What's wrong with people today?

[@mannyferrao1013]

These games are not only for the deep pocketed players or "investors". It's for all to enjoy. I'm glad this happens because it becomes unfair to the regular Joe.

[@guyyoung4388]

I want to see sells records for the people who decide to ban cards

[@alvarodepando6118]

...and friends

[@isaacyim8566]

You don't have to, they sold all of theirs at the peak price, and their loved ones also did the same.

[@Ein0r10]

Nah, it's no big deal. Wotc doesnt care about the secondary market anyway. But the folks of the committee, and others in the know, probably made good bank before the bans.

[@devonmack982]

How? They sold some they had? I doubt they had a huge stockpile. And most of them play commander I doubt they had hundred of them laying around.

[@Ein0r10]

@@devonmack982 pretty much that, yes. They didnt need a huge stock, just 3-10 each per person would be enough for a decent profit. Plus other people, friends, wotc employees, etc. who each had maybe 2-5 pf those cards lying around. At best a few couple hundred dollars, maybe thousand or two in profit. And at worst at least no losses after the cards lose value. Just some casual cardboard insider market manipulation. And sure, call it tinfoily, but I doubt that wotc was not informed about this decision prior.

[@bulletproofchunkdion]

@@devonmack982 doesn’t matter if they had a billion or one, they still got to sell full price before themselves tanking the price the next day.

[@billable1861]

Bullshit secondary market is basically what created commander. They are so hungry they are taking blood back from the tick.

[@Rundvelt]

I hope it didn't escape everyone that the Las Vegas Mystery Booster box 2 had it's bundle "sweetened" by adding packs of Ixilan and Commander Masters. Gee, wonder why? Who isn't going to do proxies going forward, serious question.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

And wilds of eldraine. Was rhystic study on the chopping block and they pulled it for some reason?

[@vivianvicious]

@@Hapkins-le6xf the fact that you mention rhystic study when it wasnt mentioned shows that you are aware that rhystic is a problematic card and that you wouldnt be shocked if it was decided for banning. Thats what these cards were. cards people found to be worth banning and the commander players have been asking for them to be banned for 4 years or more. the crime was not banning it sooner and allowing the cards to become seen as safe and gain massive price tags. But we all knew and many wanted these cards to be banned. it was a matter of time.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

@vivianvicious I mentioned rhystic study because it's a chase from wilde of eldraine which is the third collector booster included. I'm aware it's a salty card, but it's not a problem. People just hate blue. No one cares about trouble in pairs. Rhystic gives you the option to deny me a card. It's clearly weaker. No one cares about gaea's cradle. But tolarian academy is banned. Because it's blue.

[@tropingreenhorn]

I pulled a blue ink mana crypt and then a day later it got banned I was like Looooool. I was going to buy a mana crypt and a jeweled lotus then the announcement hit, i saved myself a few hundred bucks

[@Jose_P936]

"Who isn't going to do proxies going forward, serious question." Anyone that plays at official events? No one that plays casual magic was buying these cards, they were using proxies. People that paid $80 for a single card did so because they played in games that required real cards. I stumbled onto this video because of the youtube algorithm, but it is very clear that most of the people in this comment section are collectors and not players. Jeweled Lotus was a problem. Mana Crypt was a problem. These bans were well deserved and a long time coming.

[@tristanspencer3418]

I think this is actually a fairly obvious and resonable ban to see coming. I was just looking at getting back into the commander format the other day. Which seems to be all anyone plays these days. And I'm already looking at 400$ for like two cards, just so I don't get insta-rocked by every other semi-competitive player. So maybe after this the idea of this ban occured to me maybe two or three days before the announcement. Dockside extortionist is like 97% percent of red EDH decks lmaoooo. No new players in their right mind are going to spend 2000$ trying to get into like reasonable commander power levels. Wizards is making both a good business decision and something that is beneficial to the long term health of the format. They want to aggressively market commander to casual player and acquire new players. So having a 300$ game piece that is just better than anything else you could possibly be doing is not a good look for wizards. Idk, just an opinion. Of course you are being financially exploited by hasbro.

[@razpenguin]

"Investment" in CCG cards is a meme. Collect something with real value instead then you won't get burned.

[@refundreplay]

Like what? Paintings that turn out to be fake? Gold coins with tungsten cores? What do you suggest, oh great and wise one of infinite wisdom?

[@pajakus1243]

@@refundreplay propably bitcoin lol

[@ctg4818]

Only things with real value are food and weapons tho

[@GotRosed]

I'm just glad I don't have to play against dockside anymore

[@lanmarknetworking3034]

If you have ANY collectable that you DEPEND on the equity for your personal finance... you should sell your assets and reassess your entire worldview on finance, life, and hobbies. The RC and WotC coordinated these bans for OVER A YEAR!! The only difference between the RC and the wotc employees that handle these formats is the RC works for free. To act like the RC is somehow independent or can make any move without the ok of Wizarss is ludicrous.

[@monkey39128]

This is such an important point. Too many people nowadays have 5-6 figure collections with no savings or other assets. It's nuts. Collectibles can be very lucrative but you need the financial foundation first.

[@lanmarknetworking3034]

@@monkey39128 its true... how many people who already had a lotus and crypt bout more and more for each deck they made when they could have put that money in some other investment class...

[@DuskSkullin]

@@monkey39128exactly. People shouldn’t overly invest in any card game. Way too many variables for your investment to fail.

[@Serjohn]

a game store was going under, players would come to play and they would open rudy boxes inside the store, the game store closed, then the players said : we dont have a place to play. Thoughts ?

[@zeddik99]

Play at Rudy's store