History of Double Bass Drums: A Metal Injection Mini-Documentary

[@digitaldeathsquid3448]

I feel like there are four very important tracks to mention when it comes to milestones for double-kick being used as a timekeeper before thrash that aren't mentioned here Deep Purple - "Fireball" (Fireball, 1971) Judas Priest - "Dissident Aggressor (Sin After Sin, 1977) Rainbow - "Kill The King" (Long Live Rock & Roll, 1978) Motorhead - "Overkill" (Overkill, 1979)

[@jospehbloseph7172]

I just said basically the same thing, I left out Ian Pace because I thought he was a superb rock drummer, like Bill Ward who didn’t use his double bass like the future metal drummers would. Les Binks and Phil Taylor man. And it wasn’t just dissident aggressor, that whole album is a master class in double bass pedal use.

[@callebergqvist8071]

Yes almost every early thrash drummer says Overkill changed how they saw drumming.

[@johnsoos6907]

​@@jospehbloseph7172"Sin After Sin" has Simon Phillips on drums.

[@deathmetaldouglas69]

"Fireball" is single kick. One bass drum and double pedals did not exist yet.

[@johnsoos6907]

@@deathmetaldouglas69 It's double-bass drums. Check out Deep Purple "Fireball" Copenhagen 1972. His roadies bring out a second bass drum, just for that song. I think he goes into a drum solo, afterwards.

[@bloodofmyenemies]

Carmine should be mentioned earlier. His work in Cactus is great but he basically invented heavy drumming in 1967 with Vanilla Fudge. Double kick drumming and all. Metal drumming starts there.

[@kushking420]

I thought so too, as he let John Bonham play on them a few times, and helped Bonham with a Ludwig endorsement. Bonham was trying out double bass drums during time at the studio, on the first Zep album, and a few first gigs, but the band all agreed and said it was too much bass drum and his single kick was perfect for the album and the band

[@kosycat1]

Major Double kick drumm influencer. As well as Ginger Baker. I commented I'm pretty sure not too many people are familiar with Gun from 1968 but o their second albums they have some double kick shuffle, probably inspired by Carmine

[@TheTillhammer]

How on earth did you miss out on Overkill by Motorhead? Both Metallica and Slayer were inspired by Philthy's drumming

[@Az00069]

Metallica's Lars doesn't use double pedals. Therefore they are not a metal band.

[@Az00069]

Metallica is considered oldies butt rock. If you're not over 40 you're not allowed to actually listen to them and be considered cool.

[@thrashefe3523]

They showed a few seconds from the Overkill clip and yeah It was a revolutionary song for the metal scene but noone used it like Dave Lombardo it became popular after him in the mid 80s

[@rageagainstthemachine7434]

🥁🥁🥁 MICKEY DEE !!!!!!!!

[@CrossJamie]

How on Earth did Tommy Aldridge get left out? Everybody was influenced by him. Even Neil Peart mentions Tommy in his first Modern Drummer interview.

[@flamecolumn]

Exactly. Vinnie Paul loved Tommy also.

[@WalterDiamond]

Isn't that him at 0:47? But yeah he should have been mentioned by name.

[@CrossJamie]

@@WalterDiamond Yes they should have mentioned him by name and talked about him for at least 5 minutes.

[@F3PIZZA]

Where was Kolias?

[@flamecolumn]

@@WalterDiamond great catch. I thought that was him but wasn’t sure.

[@Syklonus]

Raymond Herrera deserves a big mention too. Fear Factory were pioneers, and lets not forget the bass drum trigger which brought clear audibility to the drummers' playing.

[@callebergqvist8071]

The drum trigger is a sin

[@Skiddlez3D]

I too was expecting to hear his name as well. All in all though, good video. I never knew Ludwig created the bass pedal

[@Pyrochazm]

​​@@callebergqvist8071Triggers are pretty much a necessity if you're playing fast enough. Complex patterns can get muddy and lost in the mix without them, especially live. It's like saying guitar pedals are cheating.

[@Jasonmakesvideo]

i remember people using washers as poor man's triggers

[@callebergqvist8071]

@@Pyrochazm No, triggers are not needed. Id rather listen to a slower bpm or muddier sound than triggers, they often sound awful. And they correct the human mistakes, pedals dont correct anything. Triggers are more like autotune.

[@BlazonStone]

No mention of Judas Priest Exciter from 1978? No mention of Motörhead Overkill from 1979? Seems like these milestones was a bit overlooked

[@Flo1984100]

Was about to say the same, Philthy would have deserved a mention at the very least

[@bloodofmyenemies]

Simon Phillips introduced double bass work to Priest in 1977 on Sin After Sin.

[@robertleven4449]

Great call with Exciter. Insane all over that album. I love the opening double basses on the song hell bent for leather.

[@robertleven4449]

@@bloodofmyenemies another great call on Philips on sin after sin

[@mr_ozzio5095]

@4100 He had a friend weld up a prototype double foot pedal in the mid 70s, because he hated all the time and effort setting up two bass drums and the cost. They were only a small band starting out, so didn't have lots of money for van hire and roadies🤘

[@nahtaivel93]

Where is Pete "The Feet" Sandoval in this video?

[@TheEnderBand]

I love the story about how Dave and Trey played Pete some programmed drums that they figured were too insanely fast to really play and told him it was a real drummer to mess with him- and when they came back after a while he had managed to match the speed of the drum machine

[@jason_108]

WAs just thinking theres no mention of death metal bands which of course took thrash's double bass style to the next level.

[@blastpeed9994]

Apparently death metal doesn't exist!

[@lee13whitehead]

@@blastpeed9994 or black metal, with people like Hellhammer hitting the 300bpm mark on watchers

[@Guppusmaximus]

Sean Reinert (Death) Flo Mounier (Cryptopsy) Gene Hoglan (Dark Angel, Death) Bill Andrews (Death) Jens Paulsson (Grave) Steve Asheim (Deicide) Tim Kelly (Atrophy) Mike Van Dyne (Arsis) Matt Vander Ende (Defiance) Tommy McKinnon (Neuraxis) Sandrine Bourguignon (Gorod) David Haley (Psycroptic) I mean, there are way too many important drummers for a 11 minutes and 58 seconds documentary to do justice. The whole legendary Willowtip Records era upped the Technical Death Metal game big time. And, as usual, a site like Metal Injection merely covers the popular ones because they're only pretending to like Metal.

[@Andersonian1995]

FINALLY Louie Bellson gets his well-deserved recognition.

[@DrumEagle]

I remember when my guitarplayer of my ex-band (back in 2013) said to me "Louie Bellson wasnt the first drummer playing doublebass!".

[@thewurm9177]

He was an awesome player. When I was a teenager Bellson used to play regularly at Disneyland in Anaheim. Good times!

[@chrispraz877]

Amen! Glad This gentleman mentioned the originator. Louis Bellson.

[@BmakinFilm]

Louis Bellson did many great things but he did not invent double bass drumming, nor was he the first to use them in a band. The truth (hint: it happened in 1940) is found on my channel @Bmakin Film - ITM watch Who Killed Jazz kzbin.info/www/bejne/jn6mZWdoeb6feZY

[@BmakinFilm]

Louie Bellson was great in many ways and he was one of the first and most influential proponents of the double bass drum kit. But he was not the first. One man beat him by about 6 years.

[@OhChristopher]

much respect to all these amazing musicians from jazz legends to metal gods!

[@coronachaz]

Skipping Tommy Aldridge and late 80’s/early 90’s death metal is insane.

[@goldenboy813]

Aldridge was one of the first to use double bass drums

[@coronachaz]

That’s why I made the comment…

[@abmendez7102]

They totally oversaw power metal lol

[@Eirik36]

I completely read this wrong and saw it as “skipping Tommy Aldridge and his early 90s death metal” and I was so confused lol

[@BillKalligas]

You have forgotten to mention the rock godfather of double bass drums, the one and only Cozy Powell!!!

[@thewatcher8345]

I agree, rock journals hatred him because he done things above anyone's expectations....he pioneered drumming in a way that nobody could comprehend, stargazer by Rainbow showed what this man was capable off, no one done anything like it ever...

[@HeinzPeter]

They left him out because he dated a married woman

[@EllenburgJamesk]

​@@HeinzPeter wtf that got to do with drums😂😂😂

[@HeinzPeter]

@@EllenburgJamesk1998 was an issue . Prehistorik ages man

[@EllenburgJamesk]

@@HeinzPeter wtf ever that means Heinz. They call you that cause you all on wieners like ketchup?😂

[@gabdevil3]

No mention of Fireball by Deep Purple ? One of the first if not the first example of sixteenth note double bass drumming.

[@MatthewMezzatesta]

Halfway in the video and was waiting for them to mention that track. Disappointed to find out they didn't!

[@reverendtos4271]

Or Brian Downey and Cozy Powell. The first 2 guys to play double kick straight through the song as they do today with Sha La La in Thin Lizzy and Kill The King in Rainbow. This is a Wikipedia video :/

[@derrickf1533]

This video sucks!!! Rhythmic double bass existed way before Thrash, what the hell!!!

[@robertleven4449]

@reverendtos4271 yup, Downey on Sha LA LA. Cozy on light in the black and stargazer

[@reverendtos4271]

@robertleven4449 I forgot to mention Nazareth Razamanaz, which actually may be the first

[@loveagainstgods5116]

“Red Hot” by Motley Crue is a great double bass song and “Fast as a Shark” by Accept

[@THEUNHINGEDSANITY]

Thanks for flying the flag high for metal. Media outlets nowadays suck, but y’all are doing a great service for future headbangers. Cheers 🍻

[@jospehbloseph7172]

You really omitted an important point in the history of double bass kick. The 70s stuff like Les Binks with Judas Priest who started as early as 1976 and of course Phil Taylor with Motörhead in 1978 on Overkill. Why would you skip over that? I mean aside from a seemingly universal and perhaps accidental effort to relegate Les Binks into obscurity.

[@sriharsha9640]

no mention of phil taylor from motorhead, dave lombardo himself talked about how he discovred while he saw phil taylor playing double bass.

[@blakejohnson7148]

They showed him once. LOL

[@Crowbar11115]

It's odd to skip George Kollias. He really helped popularize the Swivel Technique that is super common in modern metal.

[@MKCasu-dm5gv]

One of my only complaints about this video was his absence. He is revolutionary in terms of speed and technique. Leaving him out was a big oversight

[@kooijbas]

Came here for this, couldn't agree more. Very pleased Haake was included. Nice video though.

[@soklamon]

same point. Otherwise great documentary

[@Standbackforscience]

Nope - Kollias didn't invent the swivel technique, Pete Sandoval did.

[@Pyrochazm]

There's a few guys that really should have been mentioned. Raymond Herrera, Ian Paice, Alex Van Halen. Oh well, can't showcase everyone.

[@righty-o3585]

I agree, how did Tommy Aldridge get left out? He's not just a badass for his age at 73 years old, he's just a badass in general. Even compared to drummers half his age, or younger. He just has the majority of them beat through raw talent and experience. Dude is a legend

[@kristianp.405]

The 80s German metal scene has been pioneers for double bass drumming for me. Anything from Kreator to Helloween. ❤

[@Dennis-ff2pf]

Accept fast as a shark

[@mbt1955]

Big shout out to Tommy Aldridge, the master of the double- kicks! Also, cool picture of The Who at 6:44 mark.

[@justinsvs]

This was really excellent, make more videos like this! And thanks for shouting out Lombardo. Dude is such a legend!

[@DSM9]

First time I heard it here in the UK as a wannabe teenage drummer in the late '70s was on the track Overkill by Motorhead. Later, I heard Fireball by Deep Purple from back in '71/'72. Apparently, The Who were recording in the same studio, and Ian Paice simply borrowed Keith Moon's bass drum for the track.

[@AV57]

There are so many different inspirations for double-bass techniques that this topic almost cannot be done justice without a full-length documentary. Drummers are the true soul of everything heavy in the music world.

[@kjetilkjellevold8054]

First track that featured double bassdrum as centerpiece of the song, is (as long i know) Fireball (Deep Purple).

[@AudioVein]

The entire time I was waiting for Motorhead - "Overkill" and it never happened. The single most important double bass song in metal history.

[@eenpersoon2881]

Same, I had Exciter by Judas Priest in mind (from the 1978 album Stained Class) but they done goofed

[@DonkeyPopsicle]

In Anthrax's 40th Anniversary doc, Charlie Benante mentions Accept's "Fast as a Shark" as being the song that, if you could play it (in the early 80's, of course), proved that you were good at double-bass.

[@Dennis-ff2pf]

And you got the drum job.

[@mal_v_ado]

If you're gonna talk double bass in metal /thrash.... you definitely can't forget to mention philthy animal's double bass in OVERKILL. Glad to see him pop up though, also Nick Mason.

[@BloodoperaBlackvomit]

This is some great stuff. Would love more of these mini docs.

[@js5584]

Vinnie Paul's Becoming is still one of the trickiest double patterns out there. Shocked that it wasn't featured. That was the epitome of 90's metal drumming. Bizarre.

[@markpate9519]

Totally agree.hellbound,primal concrete sledge which they did mention and many other songs they did were fueled by Vinnie's double bass patterns.becoming was the best though

[@HugoStiglitz88]

It absolutely should be mentioned. Imo it's not actually that hard though I actually grew up doing it in a more difficult way by accident. I thought he was playing 16th notes or 5 stroke rolls i guess you could call it, not triplets lol

[@js5584]

​​@@HugoStiglitz88Nah, it isn't singles or triplets. It is actually just singles on the left foot with alternating doubles on the right... R L RR L RR L RR L... I can only play it with my hands 😂. Definitely one of the first metal dudes to play patterns on his feet.

[@KB-th9jm]

Agree mate

[@daved2352]

I think Raymond Herrera and Fear Factory deserve an honorable mention for being the archetype of double bass drum and guitar palm mutes working in unison which has become so commonplace in metal. Other bands did it before them but they took that one idea and expanded it in so many ways it became a hallmark of their sound and every band working an idea in a practice room can communicate an idea by just saying "yeah let's Fear Factory this section"

[@YokRzeznic]

Yes, this was a huge pivot in double kick in metal. Not even a nod to it. Shameful

[@activemessiah]

@@YokRzeznic These guy never mention FF in any situations

[@markmirche7760]

The only double bass drum playing that influenced me was Ian Paice on fireball where he used two bass drums even though he normally didn’t play two bass drums…

[@kylewells6871]

I used to have a 1969 ludwig speedking, it's honestly pretty crazy how fast that pedal really was. Nothing quite like the direct drive.

[@papalegba6796]

Yeah they are great, used one for years. Needed oiling regular tho & didn't fit right on lots of hoops. Closest I've found to that feel is the DW 2000, cheapest pedal DW make but you can set it up to be real close to a Speed King. Sensitive.

[@lmp9726]

A really good historical perspective on double bass drumming. I was a bit surprised that Tommy Aldridge was left out.

[@uncannyvalley444]

Drum legends Carmine Appice and Cozy Powell were using double bass back in the 60s.

[@bigloaded8324]

Plus, Buddy Rich was playing double bass in the 40’s

[@randywissler9923]

As a drummer of 40+ years, I've always felt that when it comes to importance to rock/metal, it goes like this, 1. Ginger Baker for really making it a more prominent tool. 2. Phil Taylor for really defining it. 3 Dave Lombardo for redefining it as the thing it is today!! P.S. gotta throw Charlie Benante in that top 5 along with Vinnie Paul!!!🤘🤘

[@jordanjoestar8839]

Mario Duplaniter dropped a new solo today. You're welcome! You gotta see it its truly incredible.

[@metalheadmnw]

It's basically just a drum cover of a7x paradigm.

[@danplaysguitar6706]

no mention of Phil Taylor?

[@icouldbewrongicouldberight]

He was shown 🐾

[@Flo1984100]

Was about to say the same. Overkill is probably the first track to feature db drumming as we know it today

[@tomconner5067]

Steve Asheim the drummer of Deicide & Order Of Ennead, was the first metal drummer to use a blast beat as a drum line for entire tracks, with breaks, to set the pulsing death metal rhythm and fills.

[@jerrysmith2509]

The power of double bass compels me

[@tsburn]

Motörhead ♠️: “Overkill”

[@theglitch_713]

Thanks for this..... But you missed mentioning Motorhead.

[@PropagandasaurusRex]

Phil Taylor was in there for two seconds.

[@mylesdunder3186]

I also came here to say that I find your lack of Motörhead disturbing

[@williambryant7686]

This was great! I would love to see more similar deep dives into the evolution of critical elements for metal music.

[@AgentHomer]

thanks for making this! really happy about the extensive section on the early history of double bass drumming.

[@tjroy]

I've been experimenting ALOT w/ my double kick in jazz for grooves & solos. Its really fun & great for creativity

[@kauaichefservice995]

Great all inclusive list of the greats, showing Mario duplatier of goijira in the intro got you a like and subscribe! Tommy Aldrich probably deserved a mention as he was one of the first guys I remember using the setup in a metal band

[@waynespering3145]

Deep Purple- “fireball” on the album Fireball, 1971.

[@chrislambert505]

Come on, no mention of Philthy Phil Taylor’s double kick on Overkill? That’s iconic - at least it is to me

[@Dennis-ff2pf]

He is the person in Rock to have to nick names. Filthy Phil the animal Taylor.

[@ChrisSmith-qk2vk]

8.50 on the vid he there, just not named. I can't believe it took 8mins of 12min video to get there either... But 🤷

[@Dennis-ff2pf]

@@ChrisSmith-qk2vk there is filthy Phil the animal Taylor on over kill . Then the drummer for accept on the song fast as a shark . 2 kick drums been around for awhile.

[@tommacmillan8831]

Mitch Mitchell used two kick drums in the very late 60's - possibly in the Isle of Wight gig, need to check out the video

[@MrRezRising]

Fun fact: Ginger and Keith Moon ordered their first double bass at the same time, but they were both in England, and Moon's second bass drum took three weeks to arrive bc he played Ludwig's from America. Ginger played Premier, an English company, and that's why Ginger got his second bass immediately, and is considered the first rock drummer to use dbl bass.

[@jwasikowski1]

John Bonham actually used a double bass kit for a couple of shows and on a demo of communication Breakdown. The band felt they didn't want double bass in their songs. It was the same kit as carmine appice since they were touring together back in 1969.

[@rudowakening3638]

Bonham didn’t care for the setup was what I always understood

[@shredward666]

Not one mention of Pete “The Feet” Sandoval? He’s the Lombardo of Death Metal 💯

[@phishfan]

Bill Ward on Into The Void from Master Of Reality, 1971 is the earliest I've heard in rock drumming. I've seen a few discussions of double-kick online, and nobody has ever mentioned this. Ian Paice did not use double-kick.

[@adamchastain7089]

Philthy animal Taylor should've been given more credit in this video

[@dathorndike4908]

Great video. This is a fascinating subject that I have never seen covered like this before.

[@drorshappir2950]

Fun fact: John Bonham actually tried to play double bass with led zeppelin after seeing Carmine Appice playing when they were touring together. Jimmy Page told Bonham that he doesn’t want double bass so he dropped the idea

[@winstonsyme5899]

Bonham’s one foot was more than good enough.

[@TomN4ling]

i cant believe that You guys forgot to put the whole death and black metal wave of the 90s in the video. BUUUT exactly this wave of metal was so essential for double bass

[@LordOfNihil]

im more offended by the lack of motorhead's overkill.

[@brianhedley5139]

No mention of Cozy Powell a major influence of the double bass kit use in rock

[@LENKRAD]

Amazing video! This was awesome.

[@326vince]

Tommy Aldridge was a great on double bass back in 1972 with Black Oak. But Barrimore Barlow of Jethro Tull simply killed it. He started with Tull in 71 as drummer Clive Bunker had left the band on the Aqualung tour. To me Barlow was killing it from the beginning. On the song Minstrel in the Gallery the drums are incredible. I hear Tom Sayer. It’s basically a few fills in that. Barlow strings together are just way more explosive. It’s all great drumming. I just feel Barlow,supposedly Bonhams favorite drummer should get more recognition

[@papalegba6796]

Yeah Barlow was way ahead on double bass drums for a while. Used them a lot more than people realise, in very musical ways.

[@michaelvarney4723]

I appreciate that you did your homework on the history. Thank you for making the minimentary 🎶

[@Vegasayshi]

Stunning! The origins were really fun! Thanks!

[@christophermerlot3366]

Glad you went back to pre-rock for this. Louis Belson was a beast on drums.

[@Centerpieceofmind]

Well , that was condensed, quick overview that left a couple of things out, but its nice to see us metal drummers get the spotlight for a change.

[@EthanScottBalmer]

I prefer single kick monsters myself but to each their own. Keep pushing my brother's.

[@neroignatiusrosewater]

Terrific summary. It's always cool to see the connections between metal and earlier music, whether Paganini or Louie Bellson.

[@patrickgelder-ph5yd]

It was 1983, i was a lad of 11 years old. I heard Mike Oldfields album Crises, ..... the last song blew me away. The double bass became an intimate friend of mine. 08:30 Gene effing Hoglan !!!!!!

[@JoeyP322]

I believe Neal Smith from Alice Cooper and Keith Moon had a personal contest with each other about who would have the biggest drum kit. They would each buy more drums than the other one. Smith played double bass from the first Alice Cooper album on. Very underrated drummer.

[@moisesmartin3180]

Where is Barrimore Barlow? He was a pioneer with the double bass drums, and a great influence for a lot of metal drummers, in my opinion...

[@papalegba6796]

Every drummer in the UK in the 70s was waiting for the next tull album to hear what Barlow did next, he was an incredible technician & a huge influence.

[@paulmason6470]

Obviously there were puzzling omissions but those, perhaps, were for reasons of time constraint; Dave Black, Rufus Jones, Michael Giles, Clive Bunker, Ian Paice ( if initially for just one superb track ), Jon Hiseman, Tommy Aldridge ( although there is a brief clip of him at the outset ), Deen Castronovo and many other originators also come to mind. Still, though, a decent overview as far as it goes.

[@soklamon]

Great documentary!

[@joeprunera919]

I get that this was a short video on the history of double bass drumming, but it would have been nice to see Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull), Artemis Pyle (Lynyrd Skynyrd) and Ronnie Tutt (Elvis) in there. All of these guys were doing some great double bass work back in the 70's and most people have either forgotten them or have no idea.

[@ericcindycrowder7482]

I like two bass drums instead of two (or more) pedals on one drum. Two drums allows for the possibility of a stereo mix on the bass drums too

[@flowerlandofjohn]

Personally I think that three of the greatest landmarks for popularizing double kicks were left out (yes I said popularizing since they did not necessarily invent the beat): 1. Hot for teacher - Van Halen 2. One - Metallica 3. Painkiller - Judas Priest Nevertheless I think that 2 & 3 are the bases for pretty much all modern metal-drumming 👊🏻😎

[@Morganstudios]

People are naming much older stuff, but even Metallica had older. For me Fight Fire with Fire was the first one that blew my mind from Ride the Lightening.

[@Morganstudios]

But One is indeed what got many people into Metallica in the first place (myself included)

[@flowerlandofjohn]

@@Morganstudios Yes, there’s absolutely older stuff that done the same (and are the true pioneers). That’s why I went with “popularizing”. I mean Hot for teacher is predated by Billy Cobhams “Qudrant 4” by more than a decade. And Ginger Bakers ending solo on “Do what you like” by Blind Faith from 1969 is like an early “One”. But most people don’t have a clue about those tracks unfortunately 😅

[@leavingweakness9927]

I’m not a drummer. I’m a lead guitarist. However, it’s nearly criminal that certain drummers were not mentioned here… Tommy Aldridge, Pete “the feet” Sandoval, Raymond Herrera, cozy Powell ….. these are staple names that quite literally influenced thousands of percussionist because they truly redefined what was humanly possible to achieve with their feet and a kick drum. Man, they didn’t even mention the work on Painkiller. I’m guessing someone who isn’t a drummer made this mini-doc.

[@maxmatson1578]

At 8:13 can someone tell me what live performance is that of Axcept doing fast as a shark?

[@andresluna1004]

Staying a life dvd 1985 live in japan

[@Adam_Baum]

How many caught the clip of Buddy Rich using matched grip? (he always said in interviews he only used traditional and matched grip was senseless)

[@danlc95]

When I was a kid, Dave Lombardo and Charlie Benante were my heroes. When I was 17, my haaist gave me Death - Individual Thought Pattern, and it was over... Gene Hoglan changed my life. Mike Mangini also has some great foot work, especially on the James Labrie Mullmuzzler 2 album.

[@tofusniper]

Pete Sandoval

[@ffsf739]

Great video! Very informative!

[@Transcendental1112]

Lombardo learned double bass from Gene Hoglan though 🤔

[@danplaysguitar6706]

this is true, also surprised to not see any mention of motörhead

[@MKCasu-dm5gv]

Adds to genes rightful legend status

[@stevenbrown7873]

It's scary how much of metal came from jazz. It's scary how much of metal is also a parallel evolution from jazz. And it's even scarier how many of the foundational rock and metal drummers (Baker and Ward, to name two that were mentioned here) are heavily jazz influenced. And that doesn't even scratch the surface of drummers not mentioned, like Bill Bruford of Yes & King Crimson. But at least Cobham was namechecked. His work with early Mahavishnu Orchestra is a must listen for metal drummers.

[@borrago]

​@@stevenbrown7873it's not scary in the slightest. It's quite natural.

[@KB-th9jm]

Darkness Descends 2nd only to Reign In Blood as the best thrash metal album ever as far as I’m concerned. Just absolutely brutal for its time. Genes drumming on that for a 19 year old was just incredible.

[@vierdo]

Well im not Dr know to much or anything like that.. But you missed 1 vital point here.. Judas Priest song Exciter from 1978 Wich is their Prototype version of Painkiller. But other than that. A very good guidince into where it all started. Thank you

[@kosycat1]

One of the earliest examples of double kick that reminiscencent of modern metal comes from a band called "Gun" from 1969. Song is called "Dreams and Screems"- Gun on the album Gunsight. Almost has a Thrash vibe to it Nice fuzz and trippy vocals too

[@classicmetaldude]

THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME...THANK YOU 🔥🔥🔥

[@infernalcapricorn]

FUCKIN SLAYERRRRR!!!!!!!!!

[@fernandoramoa7079]

It was with Lars Ulrich's double bass sound on Metallica's justice album that I became a drummer. I knew a lot of metal but it was that dry, hammering punching what did it for me. Everybody started to play that double bass sound around the same time when Justice came out; Sodom, kreator, Obituary, Sepultura, Pantera stayed with that sound. The lack thereof that clear double beat sound is what kept me from liking iron maiden or even master of puppets

[@eldiablo3794]

Jazz drummers are some of the most influential drummers of all time. It also seems like everything at some point originated from or was inspired by Jazz. Mitch Mitchell is another guy from the same time period who had a very similar style to Ginger Baker and was heavily influenced by jazz who also played double bass. Pertaining to fast double bass drumming like we know today, I always felt like Phil The Animal Taylor from Motorhead is the drummer who showed what is possible with double bass drums in fast, heavy music. His double bass groove on their 1979 song and album Overkill is credited as one of the songs that inspired all the thrash drummers who took double bass drumming to the next level throughout the 1980s.

[@CitizenKang]

Even Nirvana used double bass drums on "Bleach" in 1989. Lots of great double bass drum riffs on that album.

[@drums4lyfe0987]

not much of this I didn't already know, but this was awesome.

[@TheSpineSplitter1990]

There's a lot of Extreme Metal drummers missing from the list but Mike Smith of Suffocation should be up there..

[@MichaelDouglasSkewes]

Elvis Presleys drummer Ronnie Tutt was playing double bass in his band since the 60s! Check out live version of Polk salad Annie! Just for starters! Not saying he came up with or anything, just a little known fact!

[@RandyDubin]

Raymond Herrera of Fear Factory needs to be mentioned here. He was fundamental not only to the band's sound, especially on their early albums, but to modern mainstream metal as well.

[@haywardjeblomey6505]

I like metal but am not informed on the lore, so thank you. This was a nice video.

[@sergiocarlos5395]

Pedro Sandoval and George Kolias too. Mucho respeto. 🤘😌

[@quitsin04]

Bleed 🔥 still on top!

[@mazdaksadeghi5149]

Pete Sandoval, Jan Axel Blomberg & Sean Reinert

[@johnknight9150]

I always wanted to make something like the heel-pedal at 2:45, thinking I'd invented something, but looks like it already existed!

[@andrerizan9453]

How did Raymond Herrera and fear factory get left out. Everyone thought he was a drum machine for crying out loud.

[@miparedro76]

No mention of Barriemore Barlow ?

[@mtucksterkiterc]

It's cool to know how much extreme metal is influenced by Jazz. Not only do we have Jazz to thank for double bass but also blast beats as well

[@AAAA-lt9hq]

Great piece Metal Injection. I hope this documentary series continues but more in depth, as I hoped for something more technical and geared toward musicians instead of more casual music fans (future topics: technique, gear, common rhythmic motifs, mixing triggered samples with dry kick, etc.). Basically "everything you wanted to know about double bass drumming as a guitarist but were afraid to ask your drummer." All given in short videos, of course. It's called Metal Injection--not Metal Impression--after all. :) A casual fan might ask why this additional elitist detail is important. An explanation: One reason is many metal fans are also musicians, so we tend to skip over casual content providers if we can find content that gives not only music news but also information more relevant to musicians. Back in the print days this would have meant skipping over reading "Kerrang!," "RIP," "Metal Edge," or "Circus" for the sake of "Guitar World," "Young Guitar," or "Sound on Sound." Chances are in the musician oriented magazines your favorite artists would also give news about themselves and their upcoming album/tour cycle while sharing more technical musician oriented information, which made the casual fan oriented zines somewhat unnecessary unless you liked the posters. The second reason is since most metal bands' songwriters are the guitarists and more recording/production work is being done at home, guitarists are increasingly writing drum parts even if they are not drummers. They are able to do this because for many bands starting out you're likely not hearing a real drummer on the recording but software like Superior Drummer that has been painstakingly tweaked over many hours to produce a lifelike performance that a human drummer then plays live. (Double bass tip to make this relevant to the video: on recordings detune your kicks by 1/2 step from each other so double bass samples sound more realistic and less stiff at fast tempos.) This "fake is the new real" is the same for guitars as well. You are hearing fewer and fewer real tube amplifiers mic'ed in rooms and are instead hearing software plugins like Neural DSP run through impulse responses (simulated guitar cabinet/microphone combinations). The result sounds like a real guitar rig but recorded at bedroom volume. We could have only dreamt of this as recently as back in the 90s-early 00s, when such software simulations were generally quite bad compared to today. Now you can record a part and play it back through endless combinations of software emulated gear non-destructively and, after experimenting, pick a guitar tone you are happy with. All of this powerful new technology means a more professional sounding recording on a fraction of the budgets used from the 50s-00s. But it takes a lot of technical knowledge to turn bedroom musicians into producers. Why should any of this be sites/blogs like Metal Injection's responsibility? Experienced writers. Great production value. Connections in the industry. MI taking on more musician oriented content would fill a knowledge gap among the fanbase that is covered by many influencer content creators but relatively few with any real authority unless they are established and trying to sell you something indirectly (metal producer-created tutorial videos and music gear retailers are quite bad about this--someone like Metal Injection could be much more objective since they sell whatever ads are run, not just sponsored content tied to the video's subject). Including all this musician-oriented content might mean broadening a content provider's emphasis. But this improves content quality. Broader content also means less content recycling and less dirt digging for clickbait. For far too long music journalism has felt like blogs simply (re)publishing musicians trashing talking each other--all for the sake of CPI ad revenue. Or presenting lifestyle puff pieces tied to trending hashtags and search engine topics. Or divisive critic reviews that many fans think are irrelevant yet argue about endlessly in the comments section. Or journalists simply publish news about upcoming albums and tours--news we could find by visiting our favorite bands' websites instead. There is less time and reason to mudsling and write puff pieces if content creators write in depth about how musicians make music. Hopefully, doing this would not only help fans and musicians but also a music journalism industry that many feel has long been in decline. Thanks for reading.