History of Magic In The Bible: Spooky Evangelism Episode 1

[@tweezy5804]

Yall were asking at the beginning , how this is helpful, mann, this context is just soo insightful as to why the isrealites continued to worship.the Gods as well as the rest of the world. This helped me understand a lot.

[@LouisaWatt]

Fantastic discussion! I was saved out of witchcraft and I'm thinking about writing a biography of the supernatural experiences I had which led to it and then out of it, but key to understanding paganism is understanding the context of the biblical answer to all this stuff. I'm keen to keep learning...

[@tonypino5415]

CHILD SACRIFICE was also a major issue that absolutely grieved God during that time.

[@jackforester7094]

Very true I was wondering why they didn't mention this

[@veronicatart4641]

This is all being brought out the last couple years showing us it's as big today as back then it never ended just went behind the scenes

[@Chaniechan777]

what are your views on abortion? do u think it new day child sacrifice?

[@inquisitor4635]

Cannibalism was far more common and widespread in human history as well.

[@FaithInExile]

This is so needed! Thank you for this series!

[@nicholesprayberry186]

AMEN AMEN AMEN 🙏 JESUS rescued me out of the 'new age movement' around 4yrs ago and ever since then i've prayed for better discernment to reach others - I feel like i'm very naive and tend to only see good in ppl and THIS in MY LIFE has to be "TIGHTENED UP" bc of the day's we're living in... elijah, the things you've researched/learned/experienced is MUCH NEEDED and something I hold close to my heart bc of the acquaintances i made inside 'the new age movement'... MAY GOD BLESS YOU 🙏🐑🫶🐑🫶🐑🫶 LOVE AND HUGS ALL AROUND 🙏🫶🙏 XXXXX'S

[@Lillaloppan]

Tack för en givande episod👍! Er kanal har blivit en av mina favoriter. Sveriges kyrko kultur är väldigt annorlunda jämfört med USA och att ni ger en "gammal tant" möjlighet att äntligen få lära sig mer om de ämnen ni tar upp är väldigt givande. Och jag måste säga att jag bara älskar er humor och den respekt ni har i era konversationer omkring de ämnen ni tar upp😊.

[@Greg.Lacoste]

Thanks for a rewarding episode 👍Your channel has become one of my favorites. Sweden's church culture is very different compared to the USA and that you give an "old lady" the opportunity to finally learn more about the topics you cover is very rewarding. And I have to say I just love your sense of humor and the respect you have in your conversations around the topics you bring up ☺

[@Lillaloppan]

@@Greg.Lacoste Thank you so very much👍😊!!

[@MapleBoarder78]

Man I could listen to Elijah talk for hours. This episode was way to short! Thanks for having him on. 👍🏼

[@MichelleM33810]

I’m not Eastern Orthodox Christian, but the part around 27:00 about the Nephilim, Rephaim, and magic introduction is a belief in Eastern Orthodox and is discussed at length in a podcast call “Lord of Spirits” in their “Giants” episode. It’s super interesting!

[@aquinadawson962]

I had to be educated on the dynamics of religion and the contents of witchcraft, spells, ceremonial practices, rituals, even Luciferism, I was not aware of. I just bottled it up together until Holy Spirit made me aware how clever this world is tricking my kids. These things aren't really new. It's biblical ancient of days stuff. It's just now it's being categorized and packaged in a vibrant way. Side note didn't emerse myself in the "spooky" books 😆. Simply sought out truth with the Lord's guidance to be aware. Who doesn't want to be aware? Love that this show is dedicated to even reaching those in the darkest of places.

[@Savethem777]

Outstanding discourse. Eagerly looking forward to the rest of "Spooky Evangelism"!

[@jeremyweimer8926]

I thought the latest Doctor Strange was brazen in championing sorcery and necromancy. It was far more than a peripheral medium for good and evil. It is showing up everywhere in our entertainment in different ways than before. And people have a new interest in supernatural things. The church has to be mature and ready.

[@andreso9595]

“Magic Culture” has been and will continue to be apart of our fallen world. It may be Our eyes/ears havent been attuned to it. This series is so important. Many folks today in US practicing these things grew up in church and have been extremely hurt and or folks who’ve experienced severe trauma in general who are trying to regain control power. When we understand this helps us to have empathy and patience.

[@nadeensuarez2213]

This is great!!! I look forward to ALL these episodes

[@hollynelson7489]

Thank you for covering this topic. I live in the Minneapolis area. It has been dubbed "Paganistan" because there is a large number of Wiccan and Pagans who practice what they believe. We need evangelism here in the metro area.

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

We went up to the Mall of America for a couple days from Iowa and I haven't been to the twin cities in 20+ years. There is definitely an oppressive spiritual darkness (probably my interpretation of sensing the demonic principalities) over that place. I assumed it has to do with all the Somalians bringing Islam there.

[@glorycapture3066]

there really wasn't enough content about why Elijah left Bethel. Especially when bethel's school of Supernatural Ministry is named, by their own people the "Hogwarts School of Supernatural Ministry." The irony cannot be overstated here. Bethel is absolutely saturated with the occult and magic it is extremely concerning that that was not dealt with in this episode more than it was.

[@robbinsnest6163]

I'm not a defender of bethel however I would like it if you could provide the evidence or people who have named the supernatural ministry "hogwarts school of supernatural ministry." Thanks.

[@melindatowle2440]

This is the best episode yet!!thank you

[@theonesantiago]

If you are wondering if this is Spooky or not, Michael R. says "BOO!" at 37:22. So you've been warned...

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

Great episode. Looking forward to the series. 😃👍🏻

[@amandawellsvenegas7024]

Thanks so much for this discussion! Came out of the new age a few years ago and this is really helpful

[@yankeegonesouth4973]

I have read Heiser and have heard a bit about magic beliefs in the Ancient Near East, but this may be the first time I heard about (or remember hearing) Israel's request for a king placed in the context of semi-divine/nephilim kingship. Thank you, Elijah!

[@joshuapearson9950]

I enjoyed this- I do feel like they need to give Elijah more time to talk like they did with Sam Storms. I enjoy listening to the guests really tell the stories they know and get information out there. I know when you get multiple preachers in a room it’s easy to get everyone wanting to preach lol

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

Would love to hear Elijah his view on the Gandalf 'prophetic' act thing they did at Bethel. Does he think this also falls under magic...?

[@amandaecheona1457]

Reminds me of Pinocchio in reference to "pleasure island" and turning into a donkey and becoming a slave to these shady creatures

[@TimelessWisdomDrAnita]

Such an important conversation, thank you! There can be no discernment when we don't understand the differences. That's why teaching the gifts can be dicey - the average Christian has no clue of pagan practices, and therefore cannot discern when a practice (or an outcome of a practice) is from Yahweh or from another source. This conversation should be 'must watch TV' before any gifts training/teaching (and I know I'm dating myself with the "must watch tv" phrase 😁).

[@JamesWilliams-he4lb]

I'm very curious about his experience with Bethel. Some of the books endorsed and written by leaders at Bethel teach the embrace/redemption of New Age practices (Physics of Heaven, When Heaven invades Earth). You guys touched on the urge for some in the church to embrace/redeem New Age. Maybe what I've heard is blown out of proportion, but I'm not convinced that is the case. Keep up the good work, brothers.

[@wandamartinez1561]

Fascinating! I was in a BSF study and it was Children of the promise land, and I was very depressed about all the death, but along the way, the Holy Spirit showed me what that was about and it was still hard to read, i completely understood the situation! And why it was done and the ramifications of not following through.

[@drago987]

“Magic is when we try to manipulate the natural realm in order to manipulate the spiritual realm”. I guess the next thing in this definition that needs be fleshed out is the word “manipulate”. Prayer, fasting, water baptism, communion, child dedication, ect. Could all potentially be categorized as magic when you’re dealing with a human heart that is misaligned from God’s…We see this with Simon in Acts 8. Did Moses perform “magic” with having the people look at a bronze serpent to be healed in numbers?

[@ExNewAgeSlave]

I just came out of the new age First please pray for me It’s a scary place to be because I’ve been so misled already and tricked by spirits how do I know going forward I will say I love your videos I feel they are helping me understand Thank you 😊

[@God_is_in_the_details]

That was really helpful, thank you!

[@BradJNeece]

Much like Paul ~ "I am all things to all people..."

[@andreso9595]

Minute 38: Yup . Syncretism is huge particularly in Latino Catholic context many of the Virgins (Virgin de Guadelupe Virgin de Altagracia ) and the Saints both represented the Catholic figure but via occult hidden unspoken practice doubled as the gods of the native/enslaved peoples. Santeria Voodoo and it’s overwhelming derivatives are alive and well and growing in popularity. There’s witch shops called botanicas not only in Latin America but right here in the USA

[@juliafleshman1735]

You are absolutely right. I know this by experience I was raised Catholic and yet many of the Catholic I knew practice Santeria, and other false religions, and also consider themselves Catholics at the same time. Very sad

[@juliafleshman1735]

Mexico’s drug cartels are big on mixing Catholicism and witchcraft. El día de los muertos is a national “holiday” in Mexico. Brazil, Cuba, Colombia and many other Latin American countries celebrate this kind of mix.

[@andreso9595]

@@juliafleshman1735 yes very sad hence why this type of education is so necessary. We need to communicate with them and intercede for them through the empowering of the Lord Holy Spirit why this lust for power and spiritual manipulation is counterproductive and actually leaves them less in control and more in bondage to darkness.

[@Greg.Lacoste]

This was great,

[@humejephcott4543]

Your guest in his introductory statements identifies 'alternative' medicine as one area where magic and spiritism are being practiced. Why did he need to add the word 'alternative'? Does this mean he is affirming conventional medicine as being free of magic and spiritism? If so, what is his biblical basis for issuing warnings concerning 'alternative' medicine but not 'conventional' medicine?

[@GreenandGrain]

I understand what you’re saying and you make a good point. Just want to clarify that “Alternative medicine” is the actual name used for anything not conventional (not a label he is making up). He may be also referring to the idea that homeopathy is based on occult practices (something I’m new to learning about, and have no real knowledge of or opinion about). Pasting this from “Christian Answers for the New Age”: “Homeopathy is based on occult and illogical beliefs about the memory of water, that diluting something makes it more potent (that's because some of the original substances used were dangerous and had to be diluted, so they changed the formula), shaking something in water passes the "energy" into the water (which "remembers" it), and other nonsense.” ~ Marcia Montenegro.

[@GreenandGrain]

(Continued.. the zeros didn’t copy correctly so there is probably more.) Oscillococcinum a common homeopathic flu remedy sold at CVS for $25.99 for 12tablets. Its "active" ingredient is Anas Barbarae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum (extract of Muscovy Duck liver and heart). The inactive ingredient Is sugar. As with all homeopathic remedies, it is diluted, which is claimed to make it stronger. This particular remedy is diluted to what is called a 200C dilution, What that means is that the original ingredient is first diluted 1:100 (C* meaning 100). Then that 1:100 dilution is again diluted 1:100. This is repeated 200 times until the resulting dilution is 1*10-400 To help you wrap your head around this number, consider this. The human body naturally contains 0.000007% arsenic, and 0.00000000000003% radium - very toxic substances in higher amounts, but no effect at these levels. In contrast, the amount of Muscovy Duck liver and heart extract in this remedy is: 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% In other words, there is not a single molecule of the active ingredient in this product. Yet this product, and hundreds of others like it are sold side by side with effective over-the-counter medicines at your local pharmacies, with no indication (other than the "200C* on the label) that the ingredients on the label do not actually exist in the product.

[@inquisitor4635]

Except there are some modern experiments that indicate the presently labeled "occult" theory behind homeopathy may very have a non-understood scientific mechanism. And should it end up eventually being proven conclusively in a scientific manner, then yesterday's magic becomes today's science. And there are many historical examples of this with things we enjoy in our modernity.

[@republiccooper]

Magic is the use of any spiritual power outside of the Holy Spirit.

[@joshuamitchell5481]

Well said

[@AllThingsArePossible]

You are such an amazing teacher Elijah thank you for doing this

[@kellyosullivan691]

Excellent interview and content. If I may push back on one thing, I think the "Christianization of Pagan Holidays" is overplayed and not accurate to history, especially if one looks at primary sources. It's often part of atheist, pagan and fundamentalist rhetoric, rather than accurate to history: it's "fakelore." The dating of All Saints on November 1st, and Christmas on December 25th has nothing to do with pagan holidays. Christians in continental Europe were commemorating the faithful departed on November 1st circa 741 AD (when a chapel was dedicated to "St. Peter and All Saints"), while in 9th Century Ireland of all places they were still commemorating All Saints on April 20th. Trick or Treating (originally "souling") and costumes (guising) also had medieval Catholic origins, not ancient pagan. If there are pagan influences on these holidays it's their modern paganization thanks to Hollywood and the current zeitgeist. And I don't want to downplay these modern dangers.

[@DeborahJoshua24]

Sounds like the book Jonathan Cahn just published. Return Of The Gods

[@FaithInExile]

Great book. So much light shed on our culture! The guys should totally interview Jonathan Cahn about his book!

[@sergioguzman6764]

Quick question guys, if I vaguely remember roundtree stated in the Halloween episode you guys did a while back. He stated yea I take my kids trick or treating etc.. My question is this .. What do you guys think about Elijah basically stating that Halloween saints day etc was pagan and it's beginnings were to talk with the dead .. roundtree kind of spoke up in this interview and stated he pushed back on that in a bit but didn't explain to Elijah he celebrates Halloween and sees no wrong in it .. My other question is this why do church's celebrate Halloween ( trunk or treat) etc.. I'm having difficulty explaining to my son why we don't celebrate Halloween but all the month of October my son sees these videos of upcoming events at our church celebrating it ?

[@juliafleshman1735]

Watch Chuck Missler, on this specific subject. He gives a historical view of this pagans festivities, and why not to celebrate it.

[@sergioguzman6764]

@@juliafleshman1735 why do they celebrate / not see anything wrong with the holiday at remnant radio? .. is it because the church were they pastor at celebrate it ? . Because I love remnant radio and love how they deep dive the theological subjects of GOD and Christianity etc . I guess I don't seem to understand why on hay Halloween episode in the past they all kind of agreed it's not bad to celebrate it ?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Catholics and Protestants celebrate festivals like Halloween, Christmas, Lent, and Easter because their religions are based on mixing paganism with biblical Christianity. For anyone looking for an explanation, Deut. 12:29-31 shows God outlawing the observation of occult festivals in all of their forms, especially the "Christianized" ones.

[@thecrossfiles]

Great discussion!!!😊

[@tammygrady3530]

It can be confused… I showed my granddaughter Chris Reed had a IHOP service while he was speaking and giving words, and she says “ oh he’s a psychic.”

[@ronaldngure]

Thank you for this series. Now that you guys are touching on church history. Would you have any recommendations on good sources of learning church history?

[@valairsoft]

21:03 “that’s right” 😂

[@bella-bee]

Egyptian plagues, re the last one being the death of the first born referring to Pharaoh. He wasn’t a first born or he’d have died, so does that help us identify a Pharaoh who came to the throne because his elder brother had died? I didn’t just notice that all by myself. But I’d like to know the answer. Egyptologist’s must have thought of that

[@Disciple-ofChrist]

The higher-ups in Satanism, KNOW Satan IS Real!

[@KingdomUploader]

Elijah? Elijah what? I do not see his name in the description. I couldn't catch the name of his documentary. i want to see it.

[@marymaryquitethecontrarian]

Fear of the gifts due to exposure to magic is a real issue for me.

[@amytomlinson6557]

This is a great teaching!

[@regularstan6212]

Dr michael heiser put "magic" culture into perspective

[@daviddorf]

Do you have a link to this? Thanks!

[@vincelovetro5558]

😂😂 what a title, wish I could watch this live

[@AurelioB3rd]

He brought up the Egyptian religion briefly. Vocab Malone engages with the Kemet community. He brings up (as an internal critique) some of the creation myths. He is right they are vulgar and what not.

[@carahindes4341]

I think the point about being known more for what you're against than what you're for, is that it can create an image that seems overly hostile to those on the outside of the movement thereby serving to drive folks away rather than attracting their interest. Like imagine how effective advertising would be if it only pointed out the many reasons you need the product/service... It's only a certain kind of personality that is attracted by combativeness, many people are conflict averse and in looking at the overall aesthetic of the New Age for instance, as opposed to that of the conservative Christian church...New Agers are all about reaching out, showing 'love', inclusiveness and 'tolerance', by contrast it seems you only hear from the Christians when they have something to criticize, and even then the criticism is often not consistent and frequently leads to more 'infighting' than actually impacting the secular world. I use parentheses '' alot because I'm talking about impressions and appearances, not the way things truly are - but I'd say most people won't dig further to find the truth of anything without a good reason to do so, which is why a good impression is important if you really want to reach people. Just thought I'd add 2c seeing as this question wasn't really addressed as far as I understood. Great discussion! Super useful information, thanks guys.

[@rodrigocostamoura]

Guys you talk too much, let the guest speak please

[@republiccooper]

🤣😅

[@stephjanejohnson]

It’s not Revelation 2:4 that talks about not knowing the deep things of Satan, what’s the correct chapter and verse?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Rev. 2:24.

[@TLTSofit]

Yes!! It is so necessary, but beyond that the church needs to address the gifts some of us have but have no guiding. I'm what the world would call a Clairecognizant Empath. The church would call it the Gift of Knowledge and Gift of Discernment. I also have experienced things as a believer with no occultic background, always loved church, that are hard to interpret without godly counsel but it's hard to find sound doctrine so I never sought to grow in the gifts.

[@tonypino5415]

I like this dude!

[@H.Nenningger]

I think the answer is yes.... Encompassing the Michael Heiser theory and the theory here about the religions of Canaan and even magic.

[@Sigridkrakenes]

This is great and very interesting! Thanks for this podcast. I am wondering if you could talk about this: I have a problem with the word gods. He talks about in the end of energies, demons, gods, spirits. What and who are those gods? Are they demons, or at least are they on "the dark side", because I do not see a neutral side in this, and only God is good. I also wonder if these false gods are ghost, people who are dead. 1. Samuel 28, Saul brings Samuel from the dead with the help from a magic lady. It this that energi/power?

[@DustyMayT]

Rowntree's definition kind of sounds like a Christian can't practice magic - but they can. I know a lot of folks who got lured into occult practices as believers, and their argument was it was ok for them because of their covenant with Christ, who gave them the keys, so to speak. Elijah's definition feels inadequate because some forms of occult practice bypass nature and go straight to the spiritual, in order to manipulate the natural. I think it's a revolving door in that sense. If Elijah's definition was expanded by adding, "or vice versa," I'd be content with it. An older pastor friend of mine, who has been in ministry for over 50 years, recently asked me if I'm positive delegated authority is a real thing. That's an interesting question! He is charismatic, but wonders if people are going off the rails because they keep being told they've "been given the keys to the car" when it comes to performing miracles. It is a sobering question!

[@paulmelonas7263]

Wheres the play list?

[@micu1544]

I have Augustine's "City of God" just sitting on the book shelf. I have had a glance at it and it is a very good primary source from the end of the Roman Empire. The idea that the Roman world went completely Christian after Constantine is just not true. He has an interesting part on horoscopes where he debunks them. There really is nothing new under the sun.

[@mccancefamily8775]

I’m not totally sure the view of the evolution of religion was presented correctly. A good summary of it is found in the book “Neighboring Faiths”. From what I understand, perhaps the evolution of religion is still found in secular culture, but not in academia. In reality what was first seen was monotheism and then polytheism developed. Again- check out the book, it’s fascinating.

[@matthewbryant3700]

Wow. Very mature.. My post being removed. And yet you all claim to allow those who disagree with you?

[@bella-bee]

Jesus or power? That’s what Simon the magician had trouble with.

[@republiccooper]

I prefer Rowntree's definition. Good job!

[@DustyMayT]

Neither definition seems quite right to me. Ish, but not quite

[@republiccooper]

@@DustyMayT what about mine? Witchcraft or magic is the use of any spiritual power outside of the Holy Spirit.

[@littleboots9800]

@@republiccooper what if they think they're using the spiritual power of the Holy Spirit but attempt it with the use of crystals, divination tools etc?

[@matthewbryant3700]

Sickening that on a topic like this you mock it by having ghosts and Jack o lanterns( both having occultic roots)..

[@heidialaniz]

Be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

[@wandamartinez1561]

Tennessee 😮

[@GrammyGottaGo]

👀 spooky

[@chucklemethis3329]

Genocide was mandatory before Christ. That wasnt a hyperboles. The worse part of evil the world has yet to see would have occurred before Christ. The point of the Old Testimont and New is to show Gods heart, design, character, reasoning so the end of ages there is no doubt even in heaven He did absolutely everything perfectly. Hes seeing the big picture - the end from the beginning. Otherwise Christ would have been revealed directly after adam sinned. We had to see what sin does, how were sifted, how satan is held back or released. All of this was mandatory for a whole end outcome.

[@scubaoctopus]

Will not listen to anyone from Bethel!

[@denalinefertari942]

Care to elaborate?

[@MGWashington]

Bayyul 🤣

[@gregcarcaterro9633]

Jesus is not God he itself son of God not God the son