History of WWI Primer 017: German Gewehr 1888 "Commission Rifle" Documentary

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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
German Gewehr 1888 "Commission Rifle"
Cartridge: 7.92x57mm
Capacity: 5 rnds
Length: 49"
weight: 8.5 lbs
Here we review Germany's first smokeless rifle, which would serve in a secondary role through WWI in Germany, and perhaps a more active role in the Ottoman Empire.
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[@maxheadspace2975]

Mauser was upset that Germany didn't ask for his help in designing a rifle or, even better, adopting a rifle of his design. In reality he was very fortunate that he was totaly uninvolved. If a rifle of his design had been adopted they would have very likely been made from the same materials. The bursting barrel problem would have destroyed Mauser's reputation world-wide and he would have been nothing more than a minor foot note in history.

[@Candrsenal]

+Max Headspace That is a strong possibility!

[@edanridge3023]

@Saturn oh that’s a interesting opinion what don’t you like about it? Do you feel this way about all the Mauser rifles or just the 98?

[@totensiebush]

@Saturn what military rifle of the same era was superior? Obviously there were advances later, but a short rifle Mauser 98 (or hell, 93) with a rear aperture sight is hard to beat if we're talking bolt action military rifles.

[@edanridge3023]

@Saturn I think something must have happened to it I don’t see any post

[@zagrosgh8641]

@@Candrsenal Please enable Persian subtitles for all your work.

[@jordanwalsh1691]

Mauser specifically bad mouths the 88 Rifle on their website, haha. As if to say "that's what you get when you make the mistake of going to anyone but us". They are pretty harsh too: "Re-arming of Prussian troops with the new "88 Rifle" follows irrespective of costs and quality. Due to the numerous complaints and accidents, continuous improvements have to be implemented."

[@ZGryphon]

I kind of love that their marketing department thinks it still matters. That's the kind of dogged determination you just don't usually see in modern marketroids.

[@mcfontaine]

11 ... that's one more than 10. Nice quote man.

[@u-wot-n8]

Mae always looks so happy to be out shooting :D

[@Candrsenal]

+Nathan Barndt She looks sad when we put her back in the cage.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Nathan Barndt I am! Best job ever

[@maewinchester2030]

+C&Rsenal Watch your back....

[@thedrifter2790]

I’m surprised that once Mae got ahold of that 1891 she did not refuse to hand over her rifle and instead proclaim that the proletariate must be abolished and proceed to revolt.

[@gratefulguy4130]

@@Candrsenal yeah it's always sad to see them unhappy, but it's still necessary. Hopefully you've had time to train her to the point where it's no longer necessary but I understand that sometimes it's just not possible.

[@WebertHest]

You pronounced Gewehr right. Sehr gut :)

[@maewinchester2030]

+WebertHest Danke!

[@pshabino]

"cuz nuts to that guy!" FTW, gonna have to start using nuts as a curse more.... its not just for the ardenne in 44' anymore...

[@Candrsenal]

+MadMed I did a potty word.

[@XLesky]

+C&Rsenal Please feel free to add more period correct cursewords!

[@JonManProductions]

Going back to this episode, it's amazing to me that three of the four main derivatives mentioned at 16:00 have their own episodes now.

[@afwalker1921]

I once owned an 1890 example that had gone to the Turks, but never had the conejos to fire it. Frankly, it scared the fool out of me! Kudos to Mae for getting behind what can be questionable technology and letting rip! She's actually quite impressive!!!

[@afwalker1921]

I have better things to burn 8x57mm in...@@WhattAreYouSaying

[@teharbitur7377]

"As far as the girth went with it, I didn't think it was that hard to handle at all" That's what she said. Sorry, I had to...

[@Candrsenal]

+Teh Arbitur Yes, she did say that.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Teh Arbitur Haha! I wondered if anyone would say anything.

[@nailbomb3006]

Yep there were a ton of double entendres in there, not to be confused with the Triple Entente...

[@lionsunofallah6239]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheDraco877]

I came looking for something like this.

[@BS-in4kb]

Thank you very much for that episode. Not totally butchering the names (Schlegelmilch was quite fine and is really improving), a very informative video aaaaaand funny. As I love sarcasm and irony, that "kinda" sidenote on "that guy who got run over by a car" was well implemented. Hell, this episode was good. And of course: Longer Vid + Part II = Awesome

[@Candrsenal]

+B S Glad to hear we're improving!

[@EDSKaR]

Mae is looking good and sassy. Othais made a Spinal Tap reference and we've got a two parter. Everything is awesome.

[@Candrsenal]

+EDSKaR yay!

[@maewinchester2030]

+EDSKaR I'm the most sass!

[@EDSKaR]

C&Rsenal Mae Guns And a response from both The Sass and The Beard. DAY MADE! Looking forward to part two for the, what will it be, the G98?

[@maewinchester2030]

EDSKaR Hey no spoilers!

[@EDSKaR]

Mae Guns Sorry, I thought you knew?

[@terryyocumiii9645]

I love this episode, because it turned me on to the channel, because around this time I bought a GEW 88, and needed to KZbin some break down vids. I already was aware of the rifle from a gun magazine article, I fell in love. So when I saw a Bavarian one at the gun show at the hampton collesium in VA, I bought the shit out of it. I paid 350 bones. And I do love the thing

[@ernestlaferte3629]

WOW!! This is the best an clearest commentary that I've ever seen. Thanks please keep up the good work.

[@ThePlaceCannel]

I love this channel more and more with each episode and collaboration with the Great War. Keep it up the excellent work

[@Candrsenal]

+ThePlaceChannel K!

[@AntiAnathema]

But can it shoot .32 ACP?

[@exploatores]

+Geo Wu it´s not a pistol :)

[@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055]

+Exploatores Yes it can. I do it all the time. All you have to do is buy a 8mm to .32ACP cartridge adapter. Do a Google search. MCA Sports is one of the makers/sellers. I even shoot .32 ACP in my .300 Win. Mag.

[@exploatores]

Dean Cascio My awnser was More of a yoke as it has been a boat load of pistols in .32 APC.

[@clayronso3932]

Put a pistol grip on it for more authentic .32 feel.

[@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055]

;) 😀

[@stephenwoods4118]

The footage of Mae on the range is most enjoyable, she seems to be having a really good time.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Stephen Woods The 88 wasn't my favorite but I still enjoyed shooting it. It's always fun to try something new!

[@canicheenrage]

+Mae Guns Pictured Mae shooting a Flak 36, with the same smile. Awkward.

[@mattdickson2]

+canicheenrage now imagine Mae with a nice brand new reproduction 8mm lebel chautchaut. or a Vickers. or even better a Springfield '03

[@maewinchester2030]

Matt Dickson Hahaha! That would be awesome! Im going to have a hard time no laughing me ass off while shooting machine guns when we go on our trip.

[@stephenwoods4118]

+Mae Guns Have you ever fired a Krag? It has to be the slickest bolt action rifle ever.

[@clayronso3932]

Was the car Ok?

[@Candrsenal]

+Clay Ronso I hope so.

[@lovelybraintoaster164]

C&Rsenal waste of good petrol tbh

[@jimmyvee2001]

Just found you guys through Indy. Subd immediately. Keep up this fantastic stuff.

[@Candrsenal]

+Jimmy Vee Thanks!

[@fhsreelfilms]

The haircut's looking good, Mae! Thanks for another great video. I had no idea this rifle had such a colorful history.

[@andromidius]

I'm looking forward to potentially seeing videos covering WW2 era weapons, or maybe even Machine Guns. I imagine getting hold of some weapons is very difficult, though! Its also great seeing a whole bunch of 'lesser known' weapons and getting to know the history behind them.

[@banhammer7243]

I don't think there would be as many different types of guns as a lot of things had been standardised. WW1 was just a massive period of creation and innovation. But yeah WW2 weapons videos would be cool.

[@andromidius]

Maybe not quite as many but still quite a few! I mean on the American side there was the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine (which is actually a different gun entirely), BAR (updated from the 1918 version), M2 Browning, M3 Grease Gun, Thompson and various other pistols, machine guns etc. That's quite a lot already just from the Yanks (who didn't innovate/replace their weaponry as much as the Germans or Soviets)!

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@banhammer7243 You'd be surprised, haha

[@andygardner9219]

+C&Rsenal Thanks! Ü I'm enjoying the videos immensely. I'm in the UK so I can't get my hands on stuff like this. I enjoy the back stories to these pieces of engineering. Eleven marks out of ten!

[@Candrsenal]

+Andy Gardner I think we need to start a club in every country or something because we get a lot of UK commenters who should go in sharesies!

[@Aussie50]

Admittedly I have been a bit slow getting into your vids, but I am loving them so far!, very cool series!, and I especially love a long one since i can play it while I make dinner or get ready for work :D Keep up the good work! -An Aussie shooter and military bolt gun fan.

[@Candrsenal]

+Aussie50 Glad to hear it! We have several Aussies, you guys should start a club...and get added to a watch list.

[@Aussie50]

+C&Rsenal Haha, I got put on the watch list soon as I got my license application approved :p (police have to make sure your safe is securely bolted down, or too heavy to move easily) but there are a load of military rifle collectors clubs around the country, a range local to me does specific theme days, like WWI rifles for example (ever tried "the mad minuet" with a 303 SMLE?) given how many old military bolt actions are available here its definitely a club I will be joining in the near future!

[@Candrsenal]

Aussie50 Woo! Also I have and it is expensive.

[@redram5150]

“Stealing proofed rifles back” is done by unscrupulous suppliers who, in order to continually push inferior quality product past inspectors, just send the same proven good units through over and over. I’m not saying these accusations were reasonable or accurate, but the tactic has been used elsewhere. My first exposure to this was the wire supplier for the suspension cables of Brooklyn Bridge. The manufacturer sent the same approved spool of cable through while Roebling used inferior cable to build the bridge. Apparently it was designed to be 8x stronger than necessary but because of this it’s 4x overbuilt.

[@Dapstart]

I'd actually never heard of that. It does seem like an odd tactic to take though, seeing as it would probably be easier to just bribe the inspector to approve less than quality goods. I suppose that's why not many apparently have heard of it...

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@Dapstart That'd only work if the inspector takes bribes. If they demonstrate good moral character and don't though, I'd imagine one would get creative.

[@mo45327]

Another great one guys, I really like the longer format and this two part thing is also nice.

[@Candrsenal]

+mihajlo olujic This worked out well because they are two models with some differences so we can have 2 animations and 2 shoots.

[@maewinchester2030]

+mihajlo olujic Thank you! We're glad these long ones are going over so well. The next one is looking to be just as long :)

[@mattdickson2]

+C&Rsenal honestly these longer videos are awesome. I use y'all's videos to help me wind down and relax after a long day at university and these long format videos are perfect for that. keep up the exceptional work.

[@BikerJim74]

I've been looking forward to this one.

[@Candrsenal]

+Biker Jim How did it go?

[@kl-nc4gy]

Thank you for doing this, along with your other videos so far. I very much enjoy the Commission 1888 rifle, and this is good information for those who might be interested in picking one up, as there are a lot still out there. The various updates and receiver markings can be confusing for someone new to the 1888 rifle, but you did well to cover most of what is encountered, so great job! When you get to the Austrian firearms, I've got you covered if there is anything you don't have an example of.

[@Candrsenal]

+Ken Lindebrekke Do you have an 1886 in 11mm? We have an 88/90, 90 cavalry, 95 stutzen and long rifle in 8x50mmR. Hand loading is being difficult.

[@kl-nc4gy]

+C&Rsenal I only have the Portuguese contract 1886 steyr kropatschek, which is in 8mm. The 11mm rifle is rather hard to come by, and I would think all but phased out by WWI. I do have some original 8x50R cartridges that I could send you, but no guarantee on functionality, as they are 1935 vintage from Czechoslovakia.

[@Candrsenal]

Ken Lindebrekke We have some of those! We're using them to setup our reloads.

[@princeofmoskova]

Love the show, keep up the great work!

[@Candrsenal]

+princeofmoskova Thanks!

[@maewinchester2030]

+princeofmoskova Thank you! Will do!

[@codyshi4743]

This rifle later lead to the Chinese copy of the Hangyang Type 88.

[@PieterBreda]

brilliant as usual

[@Candrsenal]

+Pieter Batenburg thanks!

[@danieltaylor5542]

Thanks for the video. Love the new haircut Mae.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Daniel Taylor Thanks! It was time for a change.

[@bartekt6690]

very good video as always - gj guys

[@hvymtal8566]

28:15 "When I am ever so sorry to report that he was run over by a car" :):):):):)

[@phatcowboy76]

Love the high speed (slo mo) video at the end. New video camera? Keep up the good work.

[@maewinchester2030]

+phatcowboy76 Yup! Just got it in and couldn't wait to test it.

[@bradrugg8705]

Loving everything you guys are doing. A++++ keep it up guys!

[@Candrsenal]

+Brad Rugg no i luv u

[@bradrugg8705]

:D

[@cadorna380]

Nice work!

[@Candrsenal]

+Crossington I'm in chat. Come see a thing.

[@craftymaggot]

You did a great job. Thank you.

[@Candrsenal]

+mike Thanks! That really helps.

[@herrene05]

Thank you for this vey informative video on this rifle. I had one for over 15 years and stopped using it because couldn't find reliable info on the ammo to use and also because the action was not ejecting the spent shell. I will continue to watch your videos to learn more about in the future.

[@Candrsenal]

+Nelson Herrera Glad we were helpful!

[@williamprince1114]

You continue to set a high standard for scholastic work and watchabilty.

[@Candrsenal]

+William Prince do what now?

[@williamprince1114]

+C&Rsenal Well since you asked......how about a look at .22 rimfire training rifles? Maybe after you complete your current WWI work is done.

[@Candrsenal]

William Prince Absolutely!

[@mrfancypanzer549]

"Archivist Georgy K. Zhukov" whaat!?

[@frankperkin124]

Original clips make all the difference. I managed to find two of them for which I paid a king's ransom.

[@taofledermaus]

aha! I knew you got a HS cam!! Can you say what it is?

[@Candrsenal]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS NEVER. But email me.

[@maewinchester2030]

+C&Rsenal Lol

[@Aussie50]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS good to see you here Jeff :D. between C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons, I never run out of old gun history vids :D

[@111dogon555]

Wish you guys had more subs. love the channel and the history you guys teach. keep it up! ps Mae looks really cute with short hair :)

[@Candrsenal]

+111dogon555 d'aww thanks! You can always tell others about us...

[@maewinchester2030]

+111dogon555 Thanks! It was time for a change.

[@tarstakars]

as for the end footage if that's what I think it is you guys are really fortunate

[@bbainter7880]

Loving the show guys! One thing I noticed....you are not afraid to shoot these old warhorses. Probably a lot of collectors fingering their prayer beads everytime Mae pulls the trigger.....I say to hell with those guys. Show us how they actually shoot. If our ancestors had the balls to pull the trigger, no reason no to now. Keep up the good work. BTW how do I give more money to get secret insider videos?

[@Candrsenal]

+B Bainter There aren't a lot of behind the scenes yet but we're trying to make more. Just check out our Patreon page! www.patreon.com/CandRsenal?ty=h

[@Gunnut357mag]

I agree with the clip issue. I have one original 88 and an 88/05. I have two original clips on 6 repops. The original feed like butter at the edges are much smoother and the catch for the rims in the clips is more rounded and less pronounced than the repops. I have had to heavily sand and modify the repops to get any reliability out of them but they work okay now. Still nothing close to the original though.

[@Candrsenal]

+Gunnut357mag Quick, loan us an original!

[@jhb9526]

+Gunnut357mag Agreed, I have an 1890 Spandau G88 with original roundnose ammo and clip from the 1930's and it feeds like butter. Never shot it though, wall hanger since I don't trust something that old.

[@TreeWizard648]

+John Pimley My brother owns an 1890 Loewe G88 that is S marked and en bloc loading. The repro clip had to be modified in order to work properly (The lips on the front just have the be flattened). The rifle also has a near perfect bore and can shoot 1 - 2 inch groups at 100 yards with handloads.

[@Gunnut357mag]

+C&Rsenal I would be happy yo, I just have to get it back from a gentleman who's affiliated with the great war association. I loaned him the originals so he could devise a better way to make working repro clips. he also has one of my italian 10.4mm vetterli clips he is going to make repro of.

[@tyyoakam7414]

Thanks a bunch, your 88/05 video helped explain a lot I was wondering about a rifle I recently purchased, and this video in fact helped me straighten out a seller on gunbroken who was selling a rifle without the boldface which he claimed was "functional".

[@tyyoakam7414]

*boltface

[@tyyoakam7414]

*gunbroker, auto correct is my personal nemesis.

[@Candrsenal]

woof, that's a century old mistake.

[@poop-for-brains]

I love the depths that antisemites go to in order to create conspiracies. Thanks for sharing that bit of the story!

[@Candrsenal]

+SteamPoweredRudeBoy He was real worried about it.

[@23GreyFox]

@@skabbigkossa Oh look, a commie.

[@Legitpenguins99]

@@23GreyFox not everyone that doesn't hate Jews is a communist. You have a extremely simplistic world view

[@23GreyFox]

@@Legitpenguins99 Same to you.

[@larrykenyon2528]

david noone Haters will hate.

[@Loutral]

The "French spies" part around 14:10 is actually funny because i think Daudeteau was developing in parallel its own particular magazine system between 1884 & 1885. System he later incorporated in its Daudeteau Rifle (not the 1895 "Dovitiis" one). I think this rifle never landed any contract (even in France) except one with Republic of El Salvador (up to 10k rifles + 5k carbines sold). I can put the source but it's in French : armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Daudeteau%20cal%208%20mm.html

[@Candrsenal]

He must have had some sort of terrible personality or something to be so frequently ignored in that era

[@chasetower6773]

Thanks again

[@Mercutian506]

I find it amazing that people are still genuinely terrified of others handling firearms on KZbin. I was initially very excited and impressed to see you sitting at the table handling the rifle with the absolute assurance that it was checked and rechecked before the shoot because thats what responsible people do. That you didnt need to implicitly state, THAT FOR MY SAFETY, the firearm was cleared before you pointed it at the unmanned camera. Also its KZbin. Just keep doing what you've been doing and ill remain secure in the knowledge that regardless of whether or not you chamber check your guns in front of me, on KZbin, through a screen, from several weeks in the past, I will NOT be shot and I am enough of a grown up to not have to second guess my manual of arms because someone on KZbin didnt expressly tell me to do it every minute of every day. The most important thing is that you do it the way YOU want to do it. Otherwise your channel will end up like any other myriad of gun channels. Also your channel is fairly new so youre still not in that window where you've come up against the expert-youtube-commenter that will demand you do "slow-mo and dubstep like that other channel I like" and you'll be pressured to do it, too. For the subs and the likes. Excellent video and I am all caught up. Will be looking forward to the future of this excellent channel. Hopefully its not full of explosions. If I had any extra income id definitely Patreon. Also im definitely trying to spread word of your channel to get you legitimate subs. -edit- Doing what you want to do also includes slow-mo, explosions, dubstep and explicitly stating that the gun is clear before handing it off to Mae or spinning it around or whatever. I dont know im in a weird mood tonight. The point im trying to make it just dont do what just anyone and everyone tells you to do just to get the subs. That includes me (im nobody btw). Carnikon gave absolutely zero -expletives- and he produced excellent content, if thats what you liked. Too bad he had to pull the plug.

[@Candrsenal]

+Dylan Cagnard ROFL. The people want what they want. It can be useful to know even if I do not always find it valuable enough to waste screen time every episode. Right now we are mostly fending off requests to shoot all sorts of junk with the T-gewehr. Yes, we will show it penetrate to give a better understanding of its power. But I can set off tannerite with a .22 and not waste precious rounds.

[@samiam619]

I came this far down the comment section just to find this poster. Very well stated, OP. I, too am sick and tired of limp dicked safety Nazis clutching their pearls about empty chamber checking.

[@ArcticTemper]

YES! :D Can you do the '71 next?

[@Candrsenal]

+ArcticTemper Not next... but soon enough

[@kirkmooneyham]

I think this rifle is interesting because it showcased the problems with allowing a commission to design something. There was a certain British aircraft many decades later that never got produced because there were too many people with too many inputs about how the thing should look, features, etc. Better to have a small, dedicated design team of talented people with someone who can "ride herd" on them and keep them focused.

[@blackhawk4750]

i was also looking for the foot -lbs at the barrel.Thank You.

[@611_hornet5]

"The Jews." That is some /pol/ level shit right there.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Francis Borek I was not expecting him to say that, burst out laughing on the first take.

[@611_hornet5]

That and the Spinal Tap reference were gold.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Francis Borek The man is an improv genius.

[@611_hornet5]

His fashion sense is also to be commended.

[@nindger4270]

"Until 1914, when I am EVER SO SORRY to report... " :D glorious, that part really cracked me up.

[@thurin84]

excellent as always!!!!! so are you guys going to do the mp 18 (though i think i know the answer to that one)?

[@Candrsenal]

+milcoll73 As soon as we find one.

[@MenelaosSeagulled]

Looking forward to the next part, do you guys plan on mentioning the Type 88 as part of this or separately?

[@Candrsenal]

+Menelaos The Hanyang will get its own show eventually, after WWI.

[@stephanblasner4728]

Regarding the feeding problems, I wonder wether the cartridge might be responsible. Othias always talks about the "8mm Mauser" But this cartridge saw quite a few changes especially with the introduction of the spitzer bullet, which was slightly wider. So if you use todays 8x57 cartridges, with a 88 lead bullet of the proper diameter, but without a complete recalibration, vou might be able to feed them,, but this will not be as smooth as with the proper brass.

[@SkylerRuble]

You should make a video on the Prussian 1871/84 Mauser! There is not much information online about it.

[@devilforrest8745]

Awsome episode as always but you forgot to mention that part of the reason that the barrels popped on the Danzigs was because they were Misfits ;)

[@Candrsenal]

+devilforrest87 stahp

[@TreeWizard648]

+devilforrest87 LOL

[@cyclecamp1]

I know this is an old episode, but I recently acquired an 88/14 and so was doing some background watching. The captioning errors on this video are hilarious.

[@m2kr980]

Another great video, I'm so glad a found you guys. And Mae is a fox :-)

[@Candrsenal]

+M2K R wooop!

[@maewinchester2030]

+M2K R Thanks! I try. :)

[@Bayan1905]

I recently ran across an 1888 Commission Mauser that was taken aside by Eduard Kettner and turned into a custom stalking rifle, with a new barrel, but still has it in .318", and not .323" and I like the gun, but not sure how much I would trust it, knowing some of the issues. Of course, the Kettner guns are not simply sporterized, they were taken apart and completely redone, new barrel, double set triggers, better sights, but the bolt and the feeding system are exactly how it left whatever factory it came from since the stipling all over the top of the gun took over all the markings, the only thing left are the proofmarks on the left side of the chamber.

[@madirishman9461]

I know I'm late, and I know I'm nitpicking, but just at a cursory glance at Wikipedia.... shouldn't the cartridge be noted as Patrone 88/ M/88? or is there a detail i'm missing and you can load the pointed 7.92x57mm into the commission rifle?

[@demonbright7292]

So question. If my gewehr 88 has all the aforementioned improvements (including the one mentioned in the next video) will it actually be safe to use standard 8x57 mauser? Or should I stick with the older stuff?

[@arthurmilmore7685]

i bought mine in 1974 and have shot over 700 rounds through it. when it heats up the bullet drops about 1 inch at 250 yards. mine uses the newer ejectable stripper clips and the action is as smooth as butter all through firing. mine is danzig 1890. it only has an s at the top of the receiver and a beautiful walnut stock.. it has german ww1and ww2 unit markings as well as turkish markings. was bought through interarms,and still in beautiful condition art milmore

[@Candrsenal]

+Arthur Milmore Nice!

[@tomg2000]

I know this video is about 2 years old, but did you ever try this gun out with an original clip? Do you know what the bore on this one slugged out at? I have 1 of these with the .318 bore and scrubbed of all marks except having a stamp of J. Kowar in the wood under the buttplate.

[@WitrD]

Excellent and very informative. Thank you. Question about the weapons (especially ones in the backgorund) though, is that someone's personal collection or do you have access to it through work or..?

[@Candrsenal]

+WitrD It is an amalgam of several personal collections and some museum loans!

[@WitrD]

+C&Rsenal quick reply, daym. But that sounds very awesome. Ever spend a holiday day/night just fiddling with various rifles in there?

[@Candrsenal]

WitrD No, just working :( I'm always behind and in a blind panic.

[@Roulandus-le-Fartere]

An interesting weapon development program, showing what one of the (mis)steps in the late 19th century arms race looked like. Also, Archivist is Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov? I'm sure there's no talking or running in his library. Hard as bloody nails!

[@simonp347]

No mention about Chinese adopted the same model, and kept producing them up to the 1940s?

[@anthonyhayes1267]

I've been trying to find out if they updated them to spitzer. Would you happen to know?

[@sirboomsalot4902]

Those were after WW1

[@corditechewer]

@@sirboomsalot4902 the Hanyang 88 was first produced in 1895

[@podemosurss8316]

Interestingly, the Chinese licensed version of this rifle (Type 88 Hanyang) was used until WW2.

[@colonelsanders104]

Thanks a lot. :)

[@juanstebanpalominourrea6588]

I have a ecuadorian gew 88 and its a steyr 1894 very Nice and rare have the original .318 bore

[@joshuathiel243]

Could we see in the future a Q&D Guide to the Gewehr 88 and its derivatives?

[@Candrsenal]

Sadly a bit of a time consumer at this point. The show has consumed 70-90 hours a week.

[@lionsunofallah6239]

Girth hmm anyways thanks for the share besides fallice references this was very informative

[@browngreen933]

The 7.9mm rimless cartridge deserves its own episode as the first modern rifle cartridge case. 😮

[@PAGGIE9111]

At 10:34, what is that rifle part that sits under the barrel jacket? It looks like a small metal plug housing the cleaning rod, but I cannot, for the life of me figure out what it's called. My '88 does not have this part, but I would like to see if there is one for sale. If anyone can please help out with this, I would appreciate it!

[@3ducs]

Very good site you have here! I'm picking one up this morning. I don't know manufacturer, or if it has had the improvements. I do know that it is serial number 5000 and that it is in very good condition.

[@Candrsenal]

+3ducs Sweet, good luck!

[@3ducs]

Thanks. Turns out it had a pitted and worn bore, I didn't buy it even though the price was dropped from $500 to $400. All matching, very nice wood though it was probably sanded. Nice curly figure.

[@sommer98]

is it worth having a gunsmith convert a parts gun to the 1914 standard. if u have the needed parts ie the lower magazine/trigger guard and the lip to hold the rounds in place?

[@joshuathiel243]

Okey Dokey, Thanks!

[@nahashsan]

I recently acquired a gew 88 build at Spandau in 1894 only problem is it is missing the bolt face. i have searched extensively online but can't seem to find one. Does anyone know a source for Gew 88 bolt components?

[@shellshock98]

Where did you get the repro clip? I've been looking for a clip for my gew 88 and can't find them anywhere.

[@Candrsenal]

+shellshock98 I dunno eBay years back... never tried it until this mess.

[@jbc98k]

I'll get some original clips for testing, it is a smooth rifle if used with good clips. I've never tried the repros but I know from friends with matching rifles and original clips they work well.

[@Candrsenal]

+dietchode do it

[@VintageLJ]

I'm so Jealous. Here in the UK, it's pretty much impossible to get your hands on a weapon, though luckily I think anything made at least 100 years ago counts as an antique, so I may be able to get an antique licence.

[@Candrsenal]

+VintageLJ These are ALL antiques!

[@mattbartholomew5707]

+VintageLJ There is an obsolete calibre list that any gun chambered for those rounds will not require a license and would be treated as a deactivated firearm even if it's fully operational. There is no such thing as an antique firearms license if the calibre it's chambered for is not considered obsolete by the government it would require a license.

[@austinm.9832]

@@mattbartholomew5707 yeah, they won't let you own a vickers gun.

[@vitkriklan2633]

It sure feels good when only the state controled army and police bear arms. "For your protection", you know.

[@mm06360]

Sweet, two parter. Cannot wait for the next rifle, and love the touch of that guy looking up from the desk at his paranoia. Makes it always fun to watch. Also I hope down the road we can get like a list of top 5 guns you guys and girl enjoyed taking out to the range and firing during all of this.

[@Candrsenal]

+mm06360 Hmm..I think I am allergic to top X lists but a roost WWI review looking back at the best, worst and most memorable would be nice

[@mauzim]

Good video, as same. Like your both comments, Otis and Mae. But let me inclinate to Mae. ;-)

[@maewinchester2030]

+mauzim D'aw thanks!

[@marvindamonster7554]

what did you guys do to make your clip work for this gun?

[@sfwh4543]

Given that you said that Mauser was not consulted on the production of this rifle was the round known as the 7.92x57mm Mauser? Or was it not until the Spitzer came along that it got that name?

[@Candrsenal]

+mrsamhood 7.92 became known as "Mauser" through associations in the surplus collecting world more than from the military. From official perspectives the cartridge was whatever model year for that load data or if it had any special characteristics like SmK ammo

[@woowoo997]

I have a question in regards of the clip and magazine. My father has a Gewehr 1888 commission rifle, but it uses stripper clips and does not have a hole in the bottom of the magazine. It is dated 1890, if I remember correctly. Will you be covering differences in models by year? The stripper clip would solve the feeding problem entirely and there would be less chance of mud/dirt getting into the magazine.

[@woowoo997]

+C&Rsenal Thanks! I was getting a little confused. You all do excellent job with your videos. I was also happy to hear that you all are based out of Columbia, I live in Mecklenburg county NC, just a few hours north. Glad to have some relatively local channels.

[@Candrsenal]

***** Our museum partner is in Columbia, we're a bit further in Charleston!

[@woowoo997]

+C&Rsenal Cool. Well, I shall look forward to part two!

[@app4902]

I have one made in 1889 by Amberg. It’s number like 2500. I think it’s super cool

[@isaiahjgomez1501]

What’s that stock music at the end of the video? (Of may shooting the po8)

[@molarmantis5414]

have you heard of steer making these rifles and then shipping some to Ecuador the rifle i want to get has that description. thank you

[@ExSkitzophrenic]

Awesome as usual, guys. So is the plan to move onto WW2 weapons after the first? Or will you guys, after you've finished with the first, just change your names and live as goat herders in the northern Argentinian mountains for the rest of your days? (the former is preferable)

[@Candrsenal]

+The Cheshire Cat After WWI we will just sorta scatter the topics into whatever

[@amandahammond2691]

Hey you guys, I have an original 1888 Commission rifle with no marks for the new barrel profile, new steel, and I have no idea what the depth of the rifling is. I've been re-building it with the intent of firing it, but now I'm questioning whether that's possible. It's an 1891 Steyr. Any chance you guys might have some help?

[@Candrsenal]

+Mandy Hammond Well we listed off the relevant markings in this video but the best way to be sure is to slug the barrel. If you look it up online you basically force soft lead through and measure it out. Pop us an email if you can't find the bore measurements to compare against afterwards.

[@amandahammond2691]

Alright, awesome. I've been pretty proud of it because it lacks markings for most of the places that Germany sent rifles to, and just says "1891 Steyr" on the chamber hood. Seemed pretty unique to me.

[@twforster15]

You guys should try out the carcano, I want to see you clear up the crap around it.

[@Candrsenal]

+Thomas Forster Don't worry, it's on the way.

[@grenmoyo3968]

I think we need to see a C&Rsenal twist on the Mosin-Nagant

[@Candrsenal]

+Gren Moyo Soon enough!

[@WhattAreYouSaying]

Very informative video with a nice rifle. I just bought a Gewehr 88/05. Mine has been in Turkey, it was sent there by Germany as war aid during WW1. Luckaly my rifle is still in it's German configuration, it's not re-built into a new model as many "Turkish" Gewehr 88's are. It's mostly matching also, except for the stock and the Czech replacement bolt. The only thing the Turks did to it was bluing the receiver and sanding the stock. So the German markings on the stock are unfortunately gone. But all the German markings are present on the rifle itself.

[@christophercripps7639]

Up to 73,000 psi!!! No matters how (SAAMI or CIP methods) one measures pressure this is probably at the proof pressure of the .30-06 (CIP max operating pressure of 4050 bar [58,000 psi piezo] v CIP standard of 3800 bar for the 8x57J). Hell of a way to proof test - random pressure levels in issued rifles.

[@StephenPowers1]

I suffered C&Rsenal withdrawal this past week..this fix does me good for a while..maybe for another day..

[@Candrsenal]

+Stephen Powers I mean, it is every OTHER week. I'm sorry but I can't go any faster...

[@maewinchester2030]

+Stephen Powers I'm glad we can keep enabling you :)

[@StephenPowers1]

+C&Rsenal No complaints from me , just being silly. I know and understand how difficult it is to put content together, and the time involved. The research alone must take days. As usual, great video, and the excellent quality as always, reflects the time and effort put into it. No complaints at all! Keep it up!

[@StephenPowers1]

+Mae Guns it's not a problem unless I go to some meetings right? Oh , and the money I've spent on these guns.. Because as we all know, if yall feature it, I must have it. I need it. So far a C96, another Gewher 98 and searching for a Lebel and a Savage 1907..this will be expensive.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Stephen Powers I'm always telling Jay that his hobby isn't hording it's just collecting.

[@rory4.63]

where can i find the m88 ammo for these. my commission rifle was made in 1890 but never underwent the conversion.

[@greydonstautzenberger3901]

Keep it up