History of WWI Primer 084: French Contract Winchester 1907 Documentary

[@Vincent-S]

.32 Winchester SL "becoming influential later" Heheheheh By the way, logcabinlooms has a great video about the repro mags for these rifles that is pretty informative on why they are so iffy, I think.

[@Candrsenal]

Thank you, I was trying to remember where I saw that! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ-toaR-ftCoh6s

[@Vincent-S]

@@Candrsenal No problem, did you also see the vids about getting the recoil spring in and doing the takedown by pushing back a bit on the plunger too? Could be a bit handy the next time a 1907/10 lands in your lap!

[@grenmoyo3968]

I'm assuming as being the design base for the 30 carbine.

[@Frank-bc8gg]

Man, I have been introduced to so many cool youtubers I would never have found otherwise by you guys, makes sleeping so much harder.

[@pecospest]

Yes , the 32 WSL was the ancestor of the 30M1C

[@SolarEmp1re]

"And then it turns out it makes no sense, the ordnance department was just insane." That line is gold, perfectly describes basically every arms procurement during war time emergency.

[@john-paulsilke893]

Solar_Empire there are so many secrets and private “handshakes” that we may never know about that actually make sense. Of course there’s also old guard who know what they know so there’s that.

[@bobbyhood101]

Solar_Empire the U.S. ordanace department was run by a series of head up their asses individuals who from the 1860s on throughout most of the 20th century they turned down the Lewis machine gun for a chauchat,they tanked the 1917 for the 03, kept the BAR in suspended animation no quick change barrel ,crappy bipod,etc ,botched converting mg42 to 30/06. And turned down 280.British for 308.only to issue 223. Five years later A combined group of bureaucratic idiots!

[@nevermoore9780]

@@bobbyhood101 and don't forget every combat rifle we adopt has to be easy to make into a target rifle!

[@jackandersen1262]

“The Americans will always do the right thing… after they’ve exhausted all the alternatives.” Attributed to Winston Churchill.

[@josiahgibson6373]

@@bobbyhood101 Turning down the Lewis Gun for the Chauchat isn't as much as a surprise as you might think. The Chauchat was quite cheap to manufacture, while the Lewis gun was *extremely* expensive. I believe the British paid £165 per Lewis gun. For reference, the Vickers heavy machine gun cost them £100 each. The SMLE rifle was redesigned in 1915, because it was considered to be too expencive, costing less than £4 per rifle. So yeah, the Lewis gun cost more than 40 times as much as a cutting edge high end rifle. It's not suprising the US took a pass on it and tried to get a cheaper gun.

[@Activated_Complex]

Air forces: Adopt the 1907, the FG-42, the M-16 Armies: “What if we want to shoot at something 2,000 yards away?”

[@Treblaine]

Air Force: "if the enemy is ever much more than about 300m away then that's a job for an air strike!"

[@myparceltape1169]

Stop running away.

[@hunterbidensschooldumpster9031]

@@myparceltape1169 exactly! It's just herdsmen and farmers with outdated weaponry anyway!

[@hunterbidensschooldumpster9031]

I didn't realize the air force were the first to adopt the M-16! That's highly interesting! Hmm

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

@@hunterbidensschooldumpster9031 Yeah, Security Patrol on the flight line.

[@xtangero]

To hell with sleep, I'm here for glorious history

[@Theredmengroup]

lol

[@ragnarthefearless9235]

Sleep is for the weak

[@thecoopinater]

I don’t need sleep I need knowledge

[@bencarpenter5711]

Hahaha.yep 2am.in Australia ATM..👍🇭🇲.let's learn 😆

[@mikespangler98]

They came so close to a modern "assault rifle". I had to go look up the energy of the various rounds. 5.56 x45 - 1300 ft-lbs 351 SL. - 1400 7.62 x 39 - 1500 6.8 SPC - 1600 30 - 30 - 1900 6.5 x 50 Arisaka - 1960. Put a slightly lighter spitzer bullet in the 351 and they were there.

[@fleebogazeezig6642]

Ever heard of the ribeyroles automatic carbine and it’s 8x35mm cartridge? That sounds a lot like what you are talking about

[@zacharywranovsky]

@@fleebogazeezig6642 that one never was practical though, so this 1907 came much closer

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thanks for the shout out guys, great episode, love TC Johnson's autoloaders. They're such aesthetically pleasing guns. Looking forward to the next episode! - Matt

[@Rinasoir]

Winchester 1907 additional feature: "The safety plays music when pressed."

[@BushcraftingBogan]

Peter Larkin LOL! I thought the same thing. Wow, it comes with a small record player! :D

[@marcppparis]

Winchester: “We’ve practically built our company on your designs JMB. You want more money... get out” Well played Winchester

[@farmerboy916]

thedudepdx On something they think isn't even going to be that successful, and only a percentage on that. I mean come on

[@wierdalien1]

Thats conservatism for you.

[@marcppparis]

If they were willing to pay lump sum but didn’t want to pay royalties after X number of guns sold, that’s not because they thought the design was too risky (if it was they wouldn’t pay lump sum either). This feels like manager pounding table ego

[@nevermoore9780]

Because greed knows no season.

[@Seth9809]

If the gun doesn't sell that well, then all browning gets is a lump sum. Think about that.

[@McCbobbish]

I like it. It's a semiautomatic that has the aesthetic sensibility of a lever gun.

[@UrsineArms]

This is a aspect of why JMB was the most important firearm designer, he crafted a series of firearms fit for an era coming down off the sensibilities of what cowboys and frontiersmen carried, his ergonomic design highly reminiscent of previous eras perfectly merged for the evolution of the modern firearm

[@johnfrench5279]

Regarding use of the Winchester 1907 in ground combat: I am a naval researcher that regularly accesses British archives and I have come across a 1916 proposal to use the Winchester 1907 for ground combat for a very specific operation that was ultimately never carried out: the seizure of Heligoland. The relevant part of the document is as follows: “The operation appears thoroughly practicable if carried out by special troops thoroughly cognisant of the intended operations, and properly trained and equipped. Owing to the size of the Island, it is not to be expected that fighting will take place at anything but fairly close quarters, and therefore light automatic rifles, of say the 10 shot .351 Winchester type, with light ammunition should be substituted for the ordinary Service rifle, thus affording a considerable saving in weight in both weapons and ammunition. Most of the work of clearing tunnels and casemates, etc., should be done with explosive gas grenades, and the men should be thoroughly trained beforehand in two-handed pistol fighting and grenade throwing.” Heligoland at the time was a pure fortress riddled with underground bunkers and interconnecting tunnels. Most of the initial combat by the first troops ashore would be at knife fighting range so the desire for something like the Winchester 1907 is very understandable. An ability to mount a bayonet would certainly have made the Winchester 1907 even more attractive to the planners.

[@yeedbottomtext7563]

Wow! Is this report digitized? I would love to read more

[@Vulf_Faolan]

"Friendlier-looking but still effective". The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@Dalasoldat]

Petition to re-make the cartridge and call it .32 Winchester Self-Loathing.

[@LukeBunyip]

😂

[@miltonhall7078]

Very good. Actually at the time some wag nicknamed it the 32 "Somewhat Like a Rifle."

[@jasonsexton8869]

Loved the vid! My grandfather had one of these and it was wonderful to see someone do a dive on this thing. Your comment about locking open the bolt with that plunger feeling dangerous is spot on. Thing always left me worried it'd drop closed at the worst possible time and take a fingertip with it. I came to mention the takedown. You can get the thing apart more easily by utilizing that massive recoil spring and the weight of the block. You unscrew the takedown screw, then take the grip in hand, depress the cocking plunger about half to 3/4 of the way and let it go. The bolt falling closed will pull the whole thing off the buttstock and trigger assembly part way and let you take the gun apart without fussing with it so much. Hope this helps, and that this message finds you and Mae well. Regards, -- Jason Sexton EDIT: Figured I'd add when dealing with the trigger group and that anvil masquerading as a hammer, watch your fingers. I lost a fingernail to that thing at one point. All springs on that gun are massively beefy.

[@SnellSr]

When I was a young cop in Atlantic City we had 5 or 6 of those things with no slings but the military type rear sight. Unlike your example, our 10 round magazines were smooth and easy to insert and withdraw. I think that "moderate recoil" is not quite accurate. I remember them kicking like a mule considering their size. When we traded them in I asked the dealer what he planned on doing with them. He said "Eskimos love em… they are great on seals". LOL Great video, thanks.

[@fredkaczinski2774]

The .401 is/was the favored gun in Central American Jaguar hunters I love AC

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

For the flying part, what if Mae sits at the top of a doghouse?

[@aussiebloke609]

Curse you, Red Baron!

[@gunnarkvinlaug7226]

Dogging... I mean dodging bullets?

[@BumroyV2]

I actually found all of the talk about ground-use and full-auto claims really interesting. It shows the level of detail you go into and provides a texture to the history.

[@John.VanSwearingen]

A detachable magazine, semi-automatic, intermediate cartridge carbine, which takes down into upper and lower receiver groups, available over 110 years ago? Quick, someone define "common use" for a certain senator from California.

[@johannderjager4146]

He's a Liberal, he's too stupid to understand "in common-use".

[@jballew2239]

You'd need to illustrate it with used condoms, spent "nails" and piles of feces. Otherwise they might not understand.

[@timedraven117]

Ain't that true for all politicians though?

[@FriendlyShinobi]

Blood Raven Unfortunately i think you are correct on that.

[@banhammer7243]

/yawn here we go again. History channel dickhead nothing political here! Keep it that way!

[@TheDragonborn97]

One of my favorite weapons in Battlefield I, is so nice to use it in any field

[@mazkact]

In the AMC TV series "The Son" the 1907 is prominently featured as are many late 19th and early 20th century firearms.

[@USAAmutual45]

34:52 "What would call for a autoloading carbine of intermediate power?...." That also reminds me vaguely of something. But I'm sure that idea was a dead end in firearms design. :-) Great episode.

[@baker90338]

Nathan a dead end with worse hearing damage.

[@RyTrapp0]

NOTHING can replace good old fashioned knock down power - 308 or NOTHING, everyone knows its the future!!!

[@jacobmccandles1767]

RyTrapp0, you sir....are living in the past.

[@hailexiao2770]

@@RyTrapp0 What is 223 that fragments inside someone's chest, if not good old fashioned stopping power?

[@Deterrent-xz5zz]

@@RyTrapp0 300 black out

[@planescaped]

I am simultaneously amazed that there is anyone who actually cares about the super in depth, minute details and information of these old and obscure firearms, and someone who watches and enjoys every C&Rsenal episode. I am so confused. Othias somehow makes this interesting.

[@jkware1713]

The first rifle I ever shot was a model 63. I love the look of these rifles. An elegant weapon from a more civilized age. Thanks for the video. As always, excellent job!

[@eVVigilance]

Glad to see this one finally come up. I hope the ammo I sent was helpful.

[@Candrsenal]

Absolutely! Huge relief.

[@F1083]

Thanks for helping them

[@FriendlyShinobi]

Thank you very much friend!

[@supferfuzz]

Where in the world would you even find 351 ammo?

[@eVVigilance]

@@supferfuzz Jameson, (then Captech, now no longer in business), used to load and produce factory brass and ammo for old guns. I randomly ran across several boxes at a small shop in rural NH, and bought a few because they were cheap, and I figured they were worth having. I regret not buying all of it... Anyway, few years later I sent them on to further the cause. Buffalo Arms is now the only place I know that has brass and ammo for it.

[@raymondgill9796]

I marvel at the academic rigour you bring to this subject while still making it accessible and interesting to general interest viewers. Bravo!

[@logcabinlooms]

Excellent video, I have been waiting a long time for someone to go into the WSL in depth. A couple tips, when breaking the gun down, after backing out the disassembly screw, simply cycle the action a time or two and the mass of the bolt snapping forward will separate the two parts easily. As for recoil spring installing, someplace in my videos I have a step by step video on a simple method that you don't need to be an octopus to manage. The recoil feels peculiar because it's actually double, one from the cartridge firing, followed by the massive bolt hitting the buffer on the end of it's travel. Also keep an eye on the buffer condition, if the buffer washer bottoms out the gun can hammer itself apart, that's what damages stocks. Also the barrel nut is easily removed using the bottle opener on a Swiss Army Knife. I look forward to the next video, but I have to say during the shooting portion my first thought was, good luck finding that brass again. They are notorious for throwing brass far and wide, I don't shoot mine without a deflector to kick the brass down.

[@Tornado1861]

Your video on aftermarket magazine modification is great too.

[@huntercompton9650]

Winchester - "Nobody wants a self-loading shotgun, that's silly." Winchester - The builds 1911SL, worst auto loading shotgun in history.

[@nevermoore9780]

And don't forget they let Marlin get a foothold in the market place because they couldn't come up with a lever gun in 45-70 and went with crazy stuff like the 45-60, 45-75, etc.

[@dougrohn8802]

I own one of these. I used it for deer hunting for years. It was a great brush carbine. I wouldn't use it for long range shooting. It is expensive to shoot, as cartridges are not available anymore. It is fun to shoot. It will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. I absolutely love this firearm.

[@hobartw9770]

Appreciate no commercials flows much better.

[@jackandersen1262]

The pictures of the 15 and 20 round mags available on the internet are always shown on post war police carbines, so those were most likely developed with the intention of police use, instead of being a WW1 request.

[@chrisbell52310]

You not only hit it out of the park, you knocked the cover off AИD unwound the innards of it into the next neighborhood. Thank you for your tireless research and awesome presentation style!

[@DanielESmith-iz7lx]

I really appreciate your detail, delivery, care and concern of your program. Thank you.

[@MilsurpMikeChannel]

Although you showed it in use with Mae shooting, you didn't talk about one built in feature... The safety switch activating the built-in MP3 player. It really was advanced for its time! Edit: Just finished and again, very informative and great job.

[@Player_Review]

competition is a great thing and glad we had so many great designers at the time. also, i can appreciate them not picking Browning's idea for the sporting market demographic they had at the time. In Utah (Browning's home), we still don't use autoloading rifles in general for sportsmanship reasons. You can take anything, but most of us take bolt action for sporting reasons as it emphasizes a good killshot on the first shot.

[@Tuning3434]

Needs the bajonet and a rail to attach my spare ZIP 22!

[@ADyingBreed0311]

Late night gun work while listening to gun history. Pretty awesome.

[@TylerHulan]

Hell I'd much prefer a Winchester 1907 than a 1903 with a Pederson Device. Be kinda cool if they saw more extensive ground use.

[@john-paulsilke893]

Tyler Hulan to own or to shoot?

[@Ralph-yn3gr]

As a combat weapon I agree wholeheartedly. As a civilian with an interest in firearms, however...

[@TylerHulan]

yeah I'm talking from perspective of a solider in WW1. My local shop has a winchester 1907 for like $450. Ive never even seen a Pederson device in person. From a collector standpoint, I'd kill for a Pederson Device.

[@jballew2239]

For a murder weapon, the Pedersen is tough to beat. I've messed with a 07 Winny, and even with larger mags it is not "handy". That 40 round capacity, and marginal but still decent performance of the .30 Pedersen is tough to damn in the early 20'th century. Unless you have an OVP or Mp 18 there are few better til the 1919 TSMG.

[@TylerHulan]

@@jballew2239 I'd have to disagree. The 1907 is far handier than a 1903 with a long magazine coming out of the side. Plus, as cool as the whole Pederson Device was, it just seems a bit flimsy to me.

[@monkeyship74401]

How about Mae on Othias's shoulders chicken fight style? That might simulate use in flight... :)

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Or even better yet, put her on Hickok45's shoulders.

[@351WINCHESTER]

Excellent video. FYI only the 10 round mags. had to be fitted at the factory, per Winchester's own advertisement. Now I have a question for you that has gone unanswered for decades. Look at the back of the mag. on top & you will probably see 3 dimples. Some have only one dimple, but most that I have seen have 3. What is the purpose of those dimples? To take apart just unscrew the take down screw cock the action & let it fly forward. For a very short time Winchester made a stainless steel barrel for these, just like their .220 swift. That invoice is most impressive. It clearly states Auto, not semi-Auto, meaning full auto which was done by Winchester. The 1907/07 Winchesters were the most expensive production rifles Winchester made at the time & I think they were more than the model 70 too. The metal butt plate was actually quite a bit thicker spreading the recoil out more. The triggers had to be heavy, otherwise they would double or sometimes go full auto. Brassfetcher tested one of my 07's with Remington sp factory ammo shooting into ballistic gel. Check it out. The recoil on these rifles is nothing like I have ever shot before. It's hard to explain, but it's almost like a Browning A-5 insomuch as you feel like it's two recoils. Again thanks for this most excellent video. You probably need to change out the recoil buffer available from Gun Parts, West Hurley. I need to do mine, but I don't have enough hands. These are the best made mags. that I have ever seen. If you will look at the front of the follower you will see that Winchester added a roller bearing. Thanks again.

[@mcdoctorglock]

How could nobody else upvote this? Prime information! Thank you, sir.

[@jackandersen1262]

351WINCHESTER by assuming that the word “auto” means that the 1907 rifle had full auto versions made would also mean that the Browning Auto 5 was also made in full auto versions (do you see any mention of full auto Auto 5’s).

[@hunterbidensschooldumpster9031]

Automatic back then refered to semi auto when it came to anything other than machine guns. Automatic firearms are divided into two categories, fully automatic, and semi automatic. Automatic has today become a colloquialism for fully automatic, but back then it's was not. So you are wholly incorrect about that.

[@silverfingerthesilverstack5062]

Its like an early M1 Carbine, excellent vid as usual

[@cdeichhorn]

You should read Leonard Speckin’s book on the .351. He shows the tools on disassembling. His research at the Cody Museum took him to develop a reproduction of the factory tool.

[@nramade]

I got a 1905 35 caliber and it works so fine until today... There is a jerry rig to adapt shells to shoot but works very very fine... Love it.

[@rhettj81]

I gotta say...y'all did your homework for sure. So detailed. Enjoyed it a lot

[@mcfontaine]

Yet again, brilliant research. Thanks man.

[@AustinParker-p5y]

I got one from my grandfather and it’s super cool. Kind of has a shape of a Winchester 1894 but it’s automatic with a detachable box magazine.

[@XaviarCraig]

As someone who got to fire one of these extensively and jokingly in an amateur 3-gun comp I would say the recoil is comparable to an M1 Garand. The Stiffness in the mag changes and charging pump are a pain but with a lot of practice you dont find them as problematic. The main issue nowadays with the M1907 is finding ammo!

[@paulhinds4840]

This was a very interesting episode with lots of information about the .351 Winchester in WWI. I recall that gun authors in the 1960 made the point that this was the time that Winchester "screwed the pooch" in their dealings with Browning. The hodge-pouge nature of its design was very interesting.

[@shawnbane585]

There is a picture I have seen at my grandmas house with my Great Grand father, Grand fathers dad and WWI veteran holding a 1903 in his US steel Security guard uniform. It was taken about 1922. I went looking for it again I could not find it. My uncle got most of the photos I called him he had no look as well. He did remember the photo as well. A neat family story to tell about the gun pictured here.

[@connorbarabe5772]

Awesome video, love the in depth research.

[@michaelathens953]

I absolutely love this show. Once I'm in a slightly less destitute position I will definitely pledge support on patreon.

[@DebatingWombat]

Bayonets in police service, or more accurately riot control, may not be as outlandish as it seems today. Before teargas and rubber bullets, bayonets and sabres (the latter for mounted forces) were standard tools for dispersing crowds in the early 20th century, as the intermediate step between truncheons and bullets. So, apart from cleaning out old stock, a police bayonet in the Depression might be a bit old fashioned, but not completely off kilter.

[@borjesvensson8661]

Well Swedish police was issued with sabres (dull) for crowd control into the sixties and the un peacekeeping forces in kongo requested bayonets on the swedish K for crowd control.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

It's good for the.... implication... but the moment an angry crowd impales themselves on your bayonets then all hell will break loose and it'll be a big PR disaster.

[@jackandersen1262]

I’ve seen some riot police formation videos from like the 50-60’s and they did indeed have bayonets fixed.

[@alexandruianu8432]

21:00 - Aftermarket magazines don't work that well because the magazine catch cutouts are the wrong shape. The magazine catch also serves to drag on the case below it to equalize the pressure of the stack on the bolt. If the mag doesn't allow that to happen, and there is too much friction (grit, long term storage), it will short stroke. Technically longer magazines should work better in general because the pressure on the last few rounds is weaker and less variable than in the case of 5-10 rounders.

[@Targetpopper]

Love my M1907SL. Super fun gun to shoot and load for. I like my Model 8's more but the 07 is a classic.

[@jzargo7443]

Just bought 1 two weeks ago, thanks for teaching me about it.

[@dunxy]

Im having a bad day (or is that month!) and this was just the ticket to helping cheer me up! Now , just need some time to go for a shot,haven't had my monthly dose yet :(

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Any fans of the depression gangster era, or fans of the movie Public Enemies, will be the few asides from general Winchester or early autoloader aficionados who knew about the M1907 before the release of Battlefield 1. I'm kinda a mix of the first two, but I will say I'm always glad when an obscure but cool gun, gets some new exposure. Not gonna hate on those who found out about this gun from a video games, gaming is what largely got me in to the the world of shooting sports and gun nerdery. Fantastic episode as usual, thanks and keep up the outstanding work.

[@awetisimgaming7473]

I don't know what kind of motorcycle skills you have Mae, but id be impressed/excited to see you shoot a moderately recoiling rifle either no handed on the bike or one hand on both, not to mention being in a bumpy field.

[@이동연-c6d]

Finally! I’ve been waiting for this self-loading rifle!!! 😄😁😆😎🤩🤑

[@vincentbaelde-millar670]

Same AF, this has to be one of the most interesting firearms used in WW1.

[@borkwoof696]

Vincent Baelde-Millar I think so with every new episode

[@SuperMarshall2009]

the for-ends do break easy, but a new buffer can help prevent as well as being careful to not over tighten barrel which is easy to tighten too much. They were used in the US and Canada for game from aircraft into the 1960s - Have heard that there were some sights for reverse lead on sighting game from air.

[@waynehindes3396]

Thank You, Ive been looking forward to this one for some time.

[@weezypacman4449]

I really appreciate the content you work so hard to produce.

[@williamprince1114]

In regards to the Krag bayonet ...... I wonder if the Krags were being used by prison guards (or rail way guards or plant security) and some Winchester self loaders were acquired to supplement those Krags. Adding a lug that fit both would make sense. And it might be the sort of thing that was done by a sub contractor. Just a thought. I could be very wrong.

[@eVVigilance]

I can't speak to what fits the 1907's bayonet lug. What I CAN tell you is that my Russian Winchester bayonet came in to my local shop, fitting and locking just fine (if slightly loose in muzzlering diameter) on a 1903 Springfield. Which, of course, also fits a Krag bayonet just fine. Point is, the dimensions are very close.

[@Dja05]

Aaaaaw yes! Been waiting for this for so long! My body is ready!

[@Kalasznikow47]

That would be nice gun for InRangeTV mud test if magazine wouldn't have these witness holes. Seems pretty well sealed overall.

[@Boreas74]

I've been waiting for this one. All hail Othias.

[@monkeyship74401]

All Hail MAE!

[@galbas78]

been waiting for this episode for a good long time now. thanks C&Rsenal.

[@GiggleBlizzard]

Seeing Othais crack up is like watching a grizzly beer cub fall over, absolutely adorable!

[@carldean7347]

To get the spring back in use a string, Logcabinlooms will show you and anvil how it's done. I have one of these 1907 351slr rifles and he makes it easy.

[@jacktheaviator4938]

The French magazines were kinda common at gun shows in the 60s. But back then the rifles were just another old gun, no collector interest. My dad was a big fan of the 1907s and 1910s and had several. He bought up every magazine he ran across, and I still have a big box stashed away.

[@TerryDowne]

I can't tell you what fun it is to hear Othais use the word "bupkis."

[@n8fancy]

I've only seen it in reference books. you guys are great, I wish I could afford to support you

[@SCHNEKM483BK]

Shooting under "stress" creates the "need " for a "heavier" trigger. It's amazing how much "strength" you gain when under stress.

[@jacksonmacpherson6101]

RSC 1917 soon i hope

[@devil5cry]

ian may show up to help [?!]

[@askingstuff]

It was never used.

[@McCbobbish]

@@askingstuff It was, actually.

[@SpruceReduce8854]

@@askingstuff Then why did they produce like 200,000 of them (close to the same number of chauchats produced)

[@RyTrapp0]

How anyone could make a statement alluding to a limited use of a certain firearm in WWI, inferring that this may influence that weapon not showing up on an episode on this channel OBVIOUSLY hasn't paid attention to all of the obscure, barely used, a few even only theoretically so, firearms that have had full length episodes devoted to them here on C&Rsenal. I mean, the aforementioned air service rifle much? That thing is going to get an episode - but the 1917 RSC isn't??? GTFO of here with that ridiculous logic... Not to mention the fact that, as others have pointed out, it most certainly was used...

[@sumvs5992]

If I had a one way time machine, I'd try to become an apprentice of John Moses Browning. I just want to see his whole life.

[@TheUnhappyTroll]

37:39 - Ian had actually talked on similar subject. and by his words, France was notorious in remaking everything they had - if they had seen it as useful gun - to their new standards, as them happens along, or just simply destroying those guns, if not. so, it may be that some of this guns was unmarked (but French bureaucracy!) or they was just simply destroyed en masse after the war.

[@trekaddict]

I know this is a WW1 show at present. It is why I started watching. Yet, I cannot help but feel anticipation for the M1 Garrand episode. And the G43. And the SVT40. I have an odd fondness for that era of autoloaders. Also, Saint John biography episode when?

[@YerluvinunclePete]

Sidecar motorcycle shooting!

[@rebecamugwort862]

Pete has to be a period correct bike and goggles.

[@YerluvinunclePete]

Or an aviator hat!

[@tybushnell9819]

Oh boy something to pass the time tomorrow during lunch sand passing period. Only wish I could watch it right now.

[@Troy_nov1965]

I worked with a lady back in the early -to mid 1990's who had a 351. She actually bought it to work and let me check it out . They are quite heavy and i was surprised by it. Back then she told me that ammo was hard to get for it and she was paying 50-60 dollars a box. So she said she rarely shot it anymore and mainly kept it because it was a oddity. I have been around guns most of my entire life but hers was the only one I have ever ran across and actually held in my own hands.

[@FeatheredDino]

Admittedly I'm a fan of this rifle. Usually Pre-war to WWI era guns really don't catch my eye, but this gun looks good. I wouldn't mind owning one.

[@johnfisk811]

I may have siad this before but, looking at the wall behind Othias, oooh! Comblain!

[@alexc3504]

C&Rsenal is the reason I have no semblance of a sleep schedule. Thank you.

[@popuptarget7386]

I love the 1907. I am working on setting up to load 351 from .350 legend brass

[@bosstube9046]

Yes I've been waiting for this I even guessed it in the last upload

[@bosstube9046]

And I have a Winchester self loader 1910 in 401 wsl it's fun

[@haboob308]

Eli McCullough approves of the Winchester 1907.

[@johnwanderin2524]

I knew about these from some police photos and stories and was stoked when they, and the Model 8, were included in Battlefield 1. As far a ground usage in Russia, do you think it could have been used in the Revolution?

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

If they had any left by then, absolutely. Anything was used.

[@DefunctYompelvert]

Yesss!!! been waiting over a year for this one

[@4traxx]

I am gonna buy a winchester self loader Ine of these days. Along with the model 81 Remington

[@Simon_Nonymous]

Another stunner,. thank you.

[@Nattleby]

My great grandfather was in the Air Service Mechanics, and he worked on tanks..... I looked through his photo albums, but the only firearm photographed is a 1911.

[@johnqpublic2718]

Best Intro/outro music on the tube!

[@stevenhoman2253]

excellent story mate. enjoyed as always..carbines are a favourite of mine. semi or auto.

[@RealMrBen]

I just got my hands on one of these got some upgrades on it. Going take that spring apart.

[@Swngflwr]

I own one of these and use 357 rem to make ammo for it. Great saddle carbine in my opinion, it’s a handy package.

[@ГеоргичКоржев]

В 70-ых годах,у меня был Винчестер мод.1910 года,калибр .401 (10,18мм.),успешно охотился с ним (на лося).

[@pecospest]

The 351 was not that bad a cartridge , after all it compares very well with a .357 Magnum ,and at short distance with a 30-30 ( roughly same bullet weight and muzzle velocity ) ---- And the 401 is very similar to a 44 Magnum out of a rifle .

[@adaw2d3222]

"There's a couple features. May I?" That made me chuckle.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

1:10:52 Charging weapon when barrel is hot... I bet that's comfortable.

[@JoshNeilTHE]

The level of tongue-in-cheek is strong with this one.

[@woodsmanforlife1677]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

[@TheRealColBosch]

This is a gun I know nothing about, aside from that it existed.

[@Dja05]

Well, to be honest, most people nowadays probably know this from Battlefield 1... That's how I got interested in it anyhow.

[@TheRealColBosch]

Not me, since I haven't bought an EA game since Crysis 3.