History Teacher Reacts to Washington's Dream 2 | SNL | Nate Bargatze

[@MrTerry]

Check out the first Washington's Dream reaction: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIa9gHuNf9t0qqc

[@benjauron5873]

"Dollar" comes from the German word "Thaler," which was a currency in Central Germany in the late middle ages.

[@asmodon]

And Thaler is short for Joachimsthaler named after the place it was originally minted; the Joachimstal (Joachims Valley) in West Bohemia.

[@Jan_Koopman]

I've been told it comes from the Dutch word "daalder", which was a type of coin in the Gulden era (Fl. 2.50 IIRC)

[@asmodon]

@@Jan_Koopman Daaler was the Dutch way to pronounce Taler.

[@jeremiahgriffin9521]

So, the last one wasn't filmed very long ago. There is talk of a third skit already though. He also just finished a Christmas special. He has a similar bit where he plays the angel explaining Christmas to everyone at the Nativity, and it's hilarious. You need to check that one out!

[@Jan_Koopman]

"Beef" comes from the French "bœuf" for "cow", "pork" comes from the French "porc" for "pig". This was because back when these words were added to English, French was seen as indicative of high status. TL;DR: "Let's call our meat French names to be fancy-shmancy" The hamburger is named after Hamburg and based on a recipe from there, but it wasn't invented there in the sense that we know it today. "Dollar" comes from the Dutch "daalder" (or at least, that's what I've been told), which was a coin in the Gulden era (Fl. 2.50 IIRC)

[@Gildedmuse]

I was taught it comes from when French nobels ruled England and often spoke French among themselves. When the animal was alive and in the field with the workers we used Middle English words to refer to them, but when they were made into food and set out on the table they used the french word because that's when the servants (using French because their masters did) would most interact with it.

[@ratinthecat]

While it's true that the nobility of 12th century England absolutely spoke French (or Anglo-Norman), I'm not sure that beef and pork entering the English vocabulary was due to upwardly-mobile cattlemen and swineherds. It's not as if the pretense of using a few French-sounding words was going to fool anyone worth fooling.

[@Vipre-]

"TL;DR: "Let's call our meat French names to be fancy-shmancy"" Which funnily enough is basically the same reason why the Brits now pronounce the h in herb. We simply kept the original.

[@ratinthecat]

@@Vipre- Except Latin, because the French wasn't good enough.

[@Jan_Koopman]

@@Gildedmuse, yeah, that's basically what I'm getting at

[@hazcatsophia]

From what I understand, the meats were based on who ate it. From French - Beef and Pork. The elite tended to speak French. Chicken and Fish were more low class foods eaten by people who spoke English.

[@Gildedmuse]

That fits with what I learned about why we have words for cow and then beef. Basically, after French nobility was in charge, them and their house servants often spoke French. So the words we use for the animals in the field tend to be derived from Old English, but once they were in the house to be cooked and eaten they would get refered to by their French name.

[@Heretowatchstuff]

3:38 the hamburger thing supposedly came about in Hamburg, New York. During the Erie county Fair, in the 1800s, Italian sausage patties were sold on a bun. They ran out of sausage and used ground beef. It got super popular and was named after the town of Hamburg where the fairgrounds are. Pretty cool if true. That would mean Buffalo wings and hamburgers came from the same area.

[@censorshipsucks9493]

The hamburger was invented in New Haven, CT.

[@RichardX1]

He did a sketch like this for his CBS holiday special where he played the Angel of the Lord at the Nativity.

[@Vipre-]

We also have a score and a gross, a score being 20 and a gross being 12 dozen or 144. The truest irony being almost all of the things everyone calls "weird" are things we just kept from English as spoken by the British before THEY decided to change the way they did things. Chicken is poultry but then so is turkey, duck, goose, and any other bird raised for food so you have to specify. You could also just say fish but most people want to know what type of fish they're eating.

[@denverleatherboy]

Came to say this.

[@EsaLena1]

If you're a native English speaker and have studied other languages, you'll understand how bizarre and random English can be.

[@orlock20]

That's because most English isn't English. English steals so many words that there is a section in most English dictionaries telling where the word was stolen from and often what that word was.

[@BoyNamedSue4]

The different names for food is actually from when the Royal family in England spoke French.

[@robertfanion2815]

Hot dog came from when German immigrants sold sausages on the street, people would degrade it and say they're selling dog meat leading to, i.e. " do you want to go get some of that Hot Dog.."

[@notvalidcharacters]

Words for other numbers: pair, trio, quartet/quintet/sextet/septet and so on, as well as "score".

[@thepolishbear]

don't forget "gross" for 144, which is literally, "a dozen dozen"

[@orlock20]

@@thepolishbear Or grand for 1,000,

[@Merennulli]

Gotta love war promises. "Help us win this war and we'll definitely help you. It definitely won't be like the last hundred times where we just subjugated everyone we promised anything to as soon as the war was over."

[@NathanPKane]

7:40 In regards to your anecdote, if i remember correctly, the slaves that fought for the British (and survived in a position to remain with the British forces) were freed on British soil after their surrender.

[@barbarakey554]

The story goes that when the Norman French invaded and conquered England that Norman Frenchmen got together with Anglo Saxon women and they wanted to communicate. Well, Norman French was too good for the Anglo Saxon (according to powers that be) so they just spoke both languages and whichever word fit better, it was adopted (although the other word kept) so if the word is short it is probably Anglo Saxon Germanic and if it is longer and a bit more fancy then it is Norman French (to meet - Anglo Saxon Germanic, to rendezvous - Norman French) . This is of course tongue in cheek however the two languages did come together and after that, the English language never met a word it didn't like so there you have - it has almost a million and some meanings have several different (a thesaurus is a very handy thing)

[@Srga91]

SNL picked some interesting words for this skit: dozen: a French loanword, which developed as part of the Germanic influence on the French language, because the number 6 used to be the central number in Germanic languages; So it makes sense to have a word for 2x6. Hamburger: Appears to be a clipping of 'Hamburger steak'. Unfortunately, we cannot say for sure whether it was introduced by German settlers from the area of Hamburg, but it's our best guess. Dollar: a clipping of 'Joachimst(h)aler', a silver coin from the 16th century which was made in this place in Western Bohemia. Several other countries adopted the word as well, i.e. Slovenia's former currency was named 'Tolar'. Semantically similar to the 'Dinar', which name was based on a silver coin from the Roman Empire, 'dēnārius'.

[@censorshipsucks9493]

4:04 The frankfurter comes from Frankfurt, Germany. The wiener from Vienna, Austria. Wiener being some weird American bastardization of Vienna. There is a difference. One is traditionally beef, the other traditionally pork, or beef and pork. I forget, and I forget which is which. PBS runs a history of the hot dog documentary every fourth of July, or thereabout. It starts, in Europe, and finishes in Hawaii. Maybe dog because of the dachshund, aka wiener dogs.

[@JohnDoe-xz1mw]

sooo we bravely fight a war to get rid of those slave freeing despots, in exchange we dont have to put up with the nhs........wait.....wait....hans? are we the baddies?

[@darkrebel123]

Haha. my brother's name is Geoffrey, but he unofficially changed it to Jeff.

[@gmen1267]

Buffalo wings are namesld for the city of Buffalo, NY. It's where the sauce was created. Without the sauce, they're called "chicken wings"

[@the_linguist_ll]

They still call them buffalo wings without that specific sauce

[@gmen1267]

@the_linguist_ll the chicken wings are called " 'x' wings" with "x" being whatever sauce they're covered in...example BBQ wings, lemon pepper wings, teriyaki wings, etc

[@mike200017]

And, of course, Buffalo, NY, was named that because it's located at the heart of the great plains that large herds of buffalo used to cover as far as the eye can see... oh wait.

[@gmen1267]

@@the_linguist_ll not in the good old US of A, brotha

[@the_linguist_ll]

@@gmen1267 Yes in the USA bud

[@vincegamer]

The whole thing with two words for animals whether they're alive or dead goes back to the Norman conquest of England. Afterwards the nobility mostly spoke French. Beef comes from the French word for cattle. Because the nobles would only see it when it was cooked. The peasants would see it alive and call it a cow.

[@Gildedmuse]

I feel like the last one featured more terms and ideas that only took hold after America became it's own country. Dozen was in use during the revolutionary war, and the names of animals vs meats was before Modern English! I was taught it comes from when French nobels ruled England and often spoke French among themselves. When the animal was alive and in the field with the workers we used Middle English words to refer to them, but when they were made into food and set out on the table they used the french word because that's when the servants (using French because their masters did) would most interact with it.

[@Osteichthyes]

If memory serves, the terms of eaten meats like (Beef, Pork, Vension, Mutton etc.) are different from the animals (Cows, Pigs, Deer, Sheep) is because of the Norman Invasion of England by William the Conqueror. As meats were more of a delicacy, they were given the refined Norman names, while the animal were raised by poor peasants, so it stayed as Old English. Basically, the Normans were just being massive pricks.

[@VanDiemensLander]

Yeah most of things he's talking about predate American English

[@Gildedmuse]

Well, it was less that they were pricks (they were, it's just semi unrelated) and more about who dealt with the meat and when. Poor farms and then workers would raise the cattle and this refered to the animals using words derived from Old English. However, nobility still mostly spoke French and so high ranking house servants would be expected to speak French. They would be the ones in charge of taking the butchered meat and cooking and serving it, thus they would have used the French terms in order to communicate with their masters. I do think its a bit of a jelrish move not to learn the language of the local population you're ruling over, but I don't know if I'd attribute the difference in terms SOLELY to them being jerks. It's more because they were native French speakers.

[@petekaiser8856]

My guess is that when the guy who came up with it sold it to his boss, after showing him the ingredients and how its made, the boss was VERY hesitant to try it, but then after taking a bite he said "Hot Dog that is actually good!" and the name stuck. (THERE IS ZERO PROOF OF THIS, ITS MY GUESS)

[@SylviusTheMad]

Don't forget the Brythonic sentence structure. If you ever try to learn Welsh, you'll find the word order quite similar to English (something neither French nor German does).

[@thepolishbear]

Here is what Google AI says about the hot dog: The term "hot dog" likely originated as a joke about the shape of the sausage, which resembles a dachshund dog. The name may have been coined by a cartoonist in the early 20th century. Explanation The cartoon In 1906, Tad Dorgan, a cartoonist for the New York Journal, drew a cartoon of a vendor selling "hot dachshund sausages" at a baseball game. Dorgan couldn't spell "dachshund" so he shortened it to "hot dog". The cartoon was said to be a sensation, but historians have been unable to find it. The joke The name may have originated as a joke about the Germans' small, long, thin dogs. The term was current at Yale in the fall of 1894, when "dog wagons" sold hot dogs at the dorms. The association with dachshunds Germans called the frankfurter a "little-dog" or "dachshund" sausage. Dachshunds are sometimes called “wiener dogs” because their long bodies resemble hot dogs. Other names for hot dogs include: frankfurter, frank, wiener, weenie, coney, and red hot. The 1906 cartoon is the story I always heard. Whatever way, the hot dog is associated with the the dachshund breed. That's all I know.

[@frizzman1991]

Hot dogs are most likely called that because they're hot sandwiches that resemble dachshunds. There's no certainty on the origin, but it seems to have sprouted up as a term in the late 1800s or early 1900s. There were for instance some cartoon panels in the early 1900s referencing the food, but the origin itself has yet to be pinpointed. Source - me farting around google for about 10 minutes.

[@adrock1011]

Louis lunch in new haven ct claims the first hamburger… established 1895… still served the same as they were in 1895… on white toast… toppings limited to cheese, onion, & tomato… no ketchup/mustard/pickles… nothing else

[@mike5d1]

The Roman's had an food item that was basically a hamburger.

[@TheRedStateBlue]

English's sentence structure is Germanic. Most of our root words are Latin, from when the Romans controlled England.

[@WanderingWriter]

Poultry refers to all bird meat, chicken, turkey, duck, quail, etc

[@Andrew_Thannen]

I could be wrong, but if you wanna talk about "indigenous languages," I'd say Icelandic fits that bill. I've heard that because of Iceland's geographical isolation, the language has evolved very little, and supposedly you could show the average Icelandic speaker a text written 10,000 years ago and they would (more or less) be able to understand it.

[@jarsenaultj]

Having English as my first (and only) language scared me off of learning other languages. It's a mess. The one good thing I can say about it is the lack of accents (ex: ç è ö).

[@haydenbsiegel]

Hamburger is derived from a specific method of processing the meat into a sausage specifically Hambughr sausage. The first source I could find on Google that wasn't referring to steak tartar comes from a cook book published in 1736 by the Christian dating system in London, England. However; I did not search in German or any other language to see if there were earlier cook books published in another language that Google did not index for English search queries.

[@censorshipsucks9493]

3:34 New Haven, CT.

[@RIPJimmyA7X]

Nate Bargatzes delivery honestly does save this skit, its almost completely carried by his comedic style and timing. Completely agree on his deadpan style vs a more over the top boisterous style

[@sky-magnet]

I knew a Geoff. We also live in Georgia, so the soft G is just a way of life.

[@MrTerry]

What else is absurd about the English language?

[@Osteichthyes]

Baker's Dozen. It's not 12, it's not useful, it's not understood. Also, "Beef" is actually context dependant now. "Have Beef with" can be communal eating, "Having A Beef with" is a disagreement, "Beef up" is to make bigger, "Beef Cake" is an attractive person. English is a nightmare language.

[@stapuft]

Ending words with "le"BUT SOMEHOW pronouncing them as if it were written "el".

[@benjauron5873]

"Fish" could also be spelled "ghoti."

[@stapuft]

No

[@denverleatherboy]

"Gross" means a Dozen dozen. 144.

[@snyderman1501]

Nate did a new one about Christmas and the Jews were the difficult, uncomfortable situation for him to talk about.😅

[@jeffredfern3744]

Hamburger is the sandwich version of a hamburg steak - something German immigrants brought to America. Hot dogs, called dachshund in Germany due to their relative smaller size to other sausages, was probably called hot dogs since Americans didn't know what dachshunds were.

[@jhdix6731]

"Dachshund" (or more common "Dackel") only refers to the dog race called "Wiener dogs" by many Americans. I have never heard of that name used for the the food. The sausage is called "Wiener Würstchen" or "Frankfurter Würstchen" here in Germany , and I wouldn't know any specific name for that sausage in a bun.

[@Gildedmuse]

​@@jhdix6731 Ahh, I was actually so excited to think the Germans had just began using the word for dachshunds as a nickname for hot dogs.

[@XhodanXeus]

I dont know, I was born in germany (took french classes) moved to america when i was 12 and moved back to Germany when i was 20. English is such an easy language to learn, iv had no problems. (i guess it depends what prior experience in languages you have had, but from all the people iv talked to they say English is easy compared to other languages.

[@camillenicole211]

Chicken is poultry.

[@lobsters12111]

That's a general term for several birds

[@spinalobifida]

At 5:00 what did Keanon say to set up the other's joke?

[@ben-san9677]

"And what shall be on the back, sir?"

[@piercepcp]

The black loyalists, many moved to Nova Scotia. Samuel ball probably the most notable

[@the_linguist_ll]

Mr Terry, English descends from Proto-Germanic, so it’s a Germanic language, not just influenced by it. The Latin words are loans

[@C.CurrySims]

Normal dogs are everything but the face and beak. Kosher dogs are certain beef parts. Also you don't want to see how they're made, kosher or not.

[@reneadinaro8183]

Isn't chicken poultry?

[@60marguerite]

Mikey Day makes these skits work.

[@orlock20]

Dog was U.S. slang for sausage in the late 1800s. Why dog? Well that's what happens when people aren't told what it is made of and they just guess. Buffalo is the name of the city in which the sauce was created. Buffalo wings are chicken wings dipped in Buffalo sauce. The U.S. Civil War didn't end slavery in the U.S. The Global Slavery Index claims the U.S. has 58,000 slaves.

[@JohnDoe-xz1mw]

i assume chicken would be poulet, since foods are french and animals german for some reason, but dont the english do the exact same thing? then what is all this waring about? please help me mr terry im so confused.

[@the_linguist_ll]

Yeah some of the skit is a bit weird, and aren’t actually differences between Received Pronunciation and General American English. Could have come up with better examples, and used the other ones in a different skit. Yeah and poultry ended up taking on different connotations beyond being a casual word for the food, so they stopped using it for that. Plus it ended up being used for Turkeys too that they didn’t have, and it needed to be specified. Guess it could have ended up as ‘poul’ in another timeline though Also the animal names aren’t borrowed from German, but descended from Proto-Germanic through since English is a Germanic language. Not from German, but a sibling to it. The Norman-French words for the foods came about during the Norman Invasion, and Norman-French gained status as a prestige language, and we borrowed a lot of their words. If you wanted to be fancy you’d use the Norman-French terms for your meal.

[@zap117]

he also has something similar on the birth of jesus

[@davidely7032]

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[@camillenicole211]

Hamburgers are from Hamburg, Germany.

[@PaulJohnson-ow1mq]

144 is a gross

[@Ninang363]

Hamburger is an American thing. In Hell's Kitchen NY a German deli owner was pressing down the meat and putting it on buns for construction workers in the 1930's because a meatball was too long to cook

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[@the_linguist_ll]

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