History vs. Hollywood- Valkyrie part 3

[@jameshoran8]

They gave the "You're as guilty as us" speech to Fromm in front of Remer so Remer knew the whole story. Fromm was executed months later.

[@TheGeezzer]

Von Stauffenberg had the courage of his convictions. A brave man!

[@isaned]

Too bad he didn't go all Radical Islam on Hitler and just strap the bomb to himself and just stand next to Hitler until it went off.

[@TheGeezzer]

@Kätzchen Kaktus I think you've got a lot of understanding. You've contemplated Stauffenberg's position with the military perspective of him being sworn in. I was in the army and remember the Oath Of Allegiance quite well. It wears hard with you, you basically abide by it and to the death if needs be. Stauffenberg was a traitor to Hitler but not to his country, there the 50/50 stands correct as you state. Good call on this whole affair.

[@imperialgamer6969]

@@isaned then who would take command of the reserve army? who would do all the work he had to... who would oversee all the other stuff, after the bomb?

[@MasonboyMasiel]

I’ve always wondered what Von Stauffenberg and his fellow conspirators’ actions would have been had Germany’s military fortunes remained favorable; would there have been a July 20, 1944 assassination attempt on Hitler if Germany had won or was winning the war? It seems that only when Von Stauffenberg and his entourage were convinced Germany was doomed that they fully implemented their plot to kill Hitler, take over the military apparatus, and sue for peace with the allies.

[@piotrmajchrzak3861]

He was not a hero. He was involved in murders in Poland. He flipped because Germany was going to lose. This whole movie is a fake glorification of Germans.

[@MrLemonbaby]

Nina von Stauffenberg and her children survived initially because either she or her husband was related to the most famous female test pilot in the Reich (Hanna Reitsch) who took them under her wing. After some months however the police came and took Nina and the children in a truck to the Nordhof train station for transference to a concentration camp. When they arrived the station was completely bombed out where upon they were returned to their residence where somehow they survived to the end of the war.

[@parkgate-ub1ey]

Glad to hear it. Still the fact they where taken to the station should not have been allowed!!

[@lisasmith767]

I think Hanna visited Hitler shortly before he killed himself, he admired her a great deal.

[@geneius324]

to me, great movie.. the outfits, the authenticity of the props.. the acting.. this movie hooked me into WWII era..now i'm collecting, watching and studying WWII, :)

[@jeffschwartz7780]

There are so many World War 2 films - that if you watched each one - back to back - they would last longer than the war did!!!!!!!

[@Mau_Paladino]

"We have to show the world that not all of us were like him".

[@matiyaskebede8743]

And y’all did thanks to this movie

[@Blacknote1965]

An excellent movie for all the right reasons.

[@tavish4699]

nearly 80 years after that we are still getting called nazis if we are proud of our soldieres who fought for germany years the valkyrie people were seen as traitors just 10 yeares ago we finally acepted them as heroes

[@fen1x0r]

July 20, 1944 That's the date of this fail attempt on Hitler. Month after Allies landing in Normandy, and with Russians in full speed in eastern front. Anyone with braincells left was aware that Germany is going to lose. What those "heroes" as You called them, wanted to achive, was a favorable peace that could have spared Germany unconditional surrender, so they could save some territories they occupied. In that clip is a phrase "we can negotiate a truce with Allies and save Europe from total destruction". That was as I mentioned, 1944, I think we all agree it was way pass "total destruction". Unless You claim this term only applies when land in Germany are included. My point is, they are no heroes, just oportunists, and the fact this movie portray them as some sort of "heroes", doesn't change history facts.

[@drekdrek2988]

Do not worry, I do not see you that way 😊

[@bpdbhp1632]

Its just more of a stereotype as i would call it even though it ist correct but i dont know another word

[@tavish4699]

@@fen1x0r what movie ? Anyways there have been dozenz of attemps to kill or get rid of Hitler! The valkyire Operation was executed at the most ideal time..... If you would have lived under such a Regime you wouldnt have said a beep to the Nazis cause your a pussy Who doesnt even try to understand the german

[@realita3702]

I don't see Germans as Nazis, you guys are kind and warm heart people.

[@gianniw.2765]

Love this movie like hell.

[@TrOllinM4sTEr]

the eyepatch makes him look cool.

[@babakrad4438]

I have seen this part more than 10 times and cried all the time... How human fellows try to get their dignity back and others disregard them... So difficult to watch this amazing movie... One of the few masterpieces with no big lies... My heart cries for all people who died, are dying and will die for being good people... My sincere salute to their soles and their families... Whenever I watch this movie I take a minute of silence to respect the soles we humans lost till now in war... We (Not God) may show ourselves the path of salvation... Amin.

[@realita3702]

When I see these unsuccessful attempts to kill Hitler, with this knowledge what I have now, I would just take a submachine gun a shoot him during the parade. No conspiracy with others needed.

[@toddmazzitelli3159]

I am with you. This is an emotional story and movie for me. If only operation Valkyrie had succeeded.

[@dennisj1234]

Mr. Stauffenberg, who gave his life for world peace, is a man I admire

[@nickhydier1201]

teller121 that would be Margarethe von Oven. She and General Henning von Tresckow's wife Erika were the one's who helped write the revised Valkyrie Orders in real life I believe.

[@Ulyssestnt]

A lot of them were hung with piano wire and made into snuff films for hitler. Especially the brother of Stauffenberg who was hung and revived 4-5 times. That is some next level sadism going on right there. Maybe Fromm did him a favour by shooting them fast.

[@josephbritt6890]

Excellent movie

[@slippo99]

Terence Stamp is the man! "I'd like a pistol please." [Beat.] " . . . . For personal reasons."

[@isaned]

Kneel before Zod!

[@irish34csprigg61]

Long live Germany with honor and respect may the soul that try to save Germany rest in peace

[@wstevenson4913]

A.R.S.E.

[@MrHotguy034]

@No named Bastrd what the matta dont teach you to spell in the ghetto brotha?

[@lesliegriffin4866]

100% every Scottish people love German

[@rippspeck]

@@lesliegriffin4866 Why is that? I've always wondered. Is it an "enemy of my enemy" type thing?

[@theoilandgasresourceportal2132]

@@lesliegriffin4866 Well the SNP supported the Nazis so i'm not surprised.

[@bill0804]

Brave men. They tried to save their people and Germany.

[@sdsures]

I love that bit. There's so much of this film I love.

[@Retarmy1]

I was in the army 1988 to 1991, stationed in Erlangen germany 1 armored division, and my German friends told me about Valkyrie. General Tresckow was right about ; the assassination must be done at all costs to prove to the world that the resistance movement dared to take the decisive step; to show that all German people were not evil. I know that Valkyrie was a inspiration to my friends. .

[@shabaanj8413]

Staffunberg a legend. A hero.

[@eashpradhan994]

Yes

[@damianlitwin4114]

Stauffenberg nie lubił Polaków i traktował ich jak zwierzęta

[@bluelou7044]

They did show the world in their time, in ours and in the future for all time that "not all of them were like him". Thank God that these men and countless others who died fighting against this evil...prevailed. Thank you.

[@ekejiubam6002]

I have this feeling that while he faced the firing squad,Col Claus Von Stauffenberg was still convinced that he had killed Hitler.

[@demam41]

why does it say "History vs hollywood" when all your doing is showing scenes...i thought u were gana make corrections or something...i dont understand the point of these videos...u midis well just name the videos "Valkrye scenes" or something

[@LavKarri]

welcome to fine art of clickbait...

[@dergebeater9614]

Imagine modern KZbin had real content.

[@M4levolence]

Witzleben was a boss !!

[@VanlifewithAlan]

That is what I was hoping for too. On the whole Valkyrie is a very historically accurate film. I have film from the real locations for various places on my channel but I have done no criticism of the movie.

[@johnraymond7877]

God bless Stauffenberg, a hero. Also Scholls

[@jaymemangano1154]

That Colonel was loyal too his wife!

[@buminsoyoguz1115]

Stauffenberg is not the hero , but the traitor. Because he attempted a conspiracy against his leader.

[@A_10_PaAng_111]

Bumin Soyoguz Wrong!!! Maybe in your warped world he was a traitor. He was a hero. He tried to remove a tyrant that was killing and persecuting his own citizens without cause. A tyrant that was leading his nation to destruction. Hitler may have been democratically elected but he created a regime where he couldn't be removed no matter what. He couldn't be voted out so they tried to remove him the only way that system allowed.

[@buminsoyoguz1115]

@@A_10_PaAng_111 doesn't mather to whom he betrayed. The question is ; he betrayed to his leader. That's why he is not the hero. By the way ; I am not the Nazi regime supporter. Could you understand me ?

[@jb6574]

@@buminsoyoguz1115 apparently you havent read the Declaration of Independence...based on that stauffenburg did what mny others should have done

[@kenttyler1243]

Tresckow had some balls on him, he went out on his own terms, Rest In Peace General.

[@parkgate-ub1ey]

Go hard or go home

[@rankoorovic7904]

Had he not committed suicide he would be condemned in Nuremberg.

[@shaunakm8830]

I see this last scene very often

[@irish34csprigg61]

At least they all try to save Germany and the had honor and respect they rest did not have any honor

[@Nemesios777]

@Gazzara5 Exactly. They only opposed him when they were loosing. Not much of a hero if you ask me. Most likely they were feared the total destruction of their lives and also saw an opportunity to get some good position in the new goverment.

[@meowscles3793]

Agreed Germany was always a proud nation.

[@qetoun]

Problem is, in reality the German army was just as bad if not worse than the Nazi party and the SS. Just look at their long long list of war crimes.

[@rafalIL29]

They did have other put your self in their shoes fear can be overwhelming you think you’re the only one Who feels this is wrong but when you speak up you will be executed 100% you also fear for your family and that’s why you go with the flow those men were truly brave and honorable soldiers and human beings

[@qetoun]

@Sam Armstrong Not to the scale, frequency and institutional enthusiasm of the German army. There is nothing remotely comparable to the savagery of the Wehrmacht to the conduct of British, Commonwealth and US forces.

[@NewsHistorian]

The weapons speech at the start sounds like it was lifted from David Niven in The Guns of Navarone.

[@jeffschwartz7780]

I rather enjoyed this film - very much!!!!! And one of the main reasons was that I was not having to translate from so goofy Hollywood German accent by each actor!!!!!!! I think that anyone that doesn't know that everybody that was portrayed in the entire film was German - a German accent was not really necessary!!!!!! And my only criticism of Tom Cruise is that Staffenberg was actually 6'3" tall - about a foot taller than Cruise!!!!!! Can't be helped - GREAT job!!!!!!!!!!

[@ruwailali8542]

Yes. But Stauffenburg and Cruise look really similar. Especially if you look at their profile shots.

[@VanlifewithAlan]

The memorial is quite small but the museum is bigger and very interesting. I have film of it on my channel if you are interested.

[@markmiller3308]

Beck knew if he went to that shame “People’s Court” he would’ve been mocked and sentenced to a horrible death. To me he was murdered and didn’t commit “suicide”.

[@VanlifewithAlan]

I have put subtitles in some films, now that I know how to do it. The biggest problem is with foreign language films as it can take a very long time to do it. In Munich University I was alone, that is why I speaking quietly.

[@abhiramcd]

Hitler : "Fine.. I'll do it myself"

[@sdsures]

I thought the accents were all right, given what I read about them trying out German accents. If the actors would have sounded ridiculous trying to speak with German accents (apart from the actor who played von Quirnheim, who was German), it makes sense to me for everyone to stick with their natural accents, so that the dialogue can be easily understood, and the story conveyed. Think of it this way: when Branagh played Hamlet, he didn't use a Danish accent, because we expect to hear Branagh.

[@jonburrows2684]

You ok now?

[@zabihullahghouri7194]

Can we have a replay from U after 7 years😳😳😳. plzzz😂

[@noah-drakenoe9702]

nice film

[@MovieBuffReal]

Good point but Hollywood is after money and they know by making intelligent movies like Valkyrie they won't make much compare to garbage like Iron Man, John Carter and so on.

[@VanlifewithAlan]

Stephanie, I am too lazy to want to do any studies! I have enough problems doing my work as it is! But thank you for asking!!

[@markm734]

1:31 "We have an inside man at the Wolf's Lair. He occasionally cross-dresses and does stand-up comedy."

[@brotjack]

8:37 It seems like Manfred von Richtofen survived WW1

[@teller121]

does anyone besides me think the secretary in white blouse who helps Stauffenberg is freakin' hot?

[@tofutyrant]

/Really/?

[@teller121]

Marisa Hiyama uh...yes

[@groddofwar7779]

teller121 She has that look about her like she would put in on ya, lol.

[@conundrum62]

+teller121 That presumably is Stuffenburgs secretary Delia Zeigler, who did survive the war.

[@teller121]

+Stuart 64W actually Margarethe von Oven, who also survived the war.

[@iangreen171]

Last survivor of bomb plot died last week at age of 90.

[@rossjones5741]

Do you know who that last survivors name was?

[@rooseveltdarbey9493]

Wow great man RIP

[@TheStockwell]

If films have taught me anything, it's that any time a plan is described in detail, it's going to fail.

[@sdsures]

Yes, please! Could you please send me the link?

[@sdsures]

Forgive my fogginess. I have chronic migraines and often don't remember if I've asked questions more than once. Thanks again! I really enjoyed your video of the White Rose memorial at Munich University - it's just like being there myself! Have you ever considered making subtitles for your tour videos? I noticed you spoke very quietly at the university (out of respect, or also because classes were in session?), and sometimes it was hard to hear what you were saying.

[@Tony61401]

Nice.

[@matans131]

we wont forget and we wont forgive

[@galadrielnerwen]

10:15 my favourite scene

[@headydaze]

They were not kidding

[@sdsures]

I think the film works better with the actors' natural accents. It makes it more real.

[@dreamali]

The real heroes

[@coldcuts1631]

HoLLywood,...give a condemned man a pisToL

[@isaned]

hehe, I just noticed the super collection of villans in this movie: Terrance Stamp (Beck)= General Zod from Superman II Bill Knighly (Ulbricht) = Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean 2&3 Kenneth Branagh (Tresckow) = Dr. Loveless from Wild Wild West Tom Wilkenson (Fromm) = Cornwallis from The Patriot Tom Cruise (Von Stauffenberg) = Lestat from Interview with a Vampire

[@jameshoran8]

Stamp - Sir Larry Wildman from Wall Street

[@Samperor]

Japanese Emperor had over 100 attempts.

[@faridlotfi5283]

General of reserve army Fromm tried to escape death but was executed rather him also on Mars 1945.

[@Drone_PilotSG]

How did so many soldiers and officers become involved without a single betrayal

[@chadluke5454]

Hitler did not commit suicide. He escaped to Argentina and lived there until he died in 1962.

[@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0]

How do you know

[@handsomeman-pm9vy]

And the Great Pumpkin arrives every Halloween to renew our spirits.

[@specialized29er86]

What a pity they moved the location of the meeting.

[@sathyaramana7417]

Well, Its all about Calais Comfort mate.. wink wink:)

[@sdsures]

I would very much like to see the German Resistance Memorial in Bendlerblock someday.

[@paulitoanajao9829]

All name of high ranking nazi German officer involved in operation Valkyrie in 1944 are national Hero today in Germany.

[@Dan-zz8mz]

They should have added Fromm's execution

[@sdsures]

Doesn't seem that way with the care you take doing these videos.:) What attracted me to Portsmouth, besides the programme itself, was the option for distance ed.

[@rsattahip]

I wish Hollywood would make more intelligent movies like this, most are garbage.

[@tanyadev1782]

Tom Cruise 😘😘😘😘

[@absoleet]

Why was Friedrich Fromm executed? He wasn't in on the plot was he?

[@Truthseeker1515]

The horror of the state in all its glory.

[@VanlifewithAlan]

Stephanie, if you go to my channel and put Valkyrie or Rastenburg into the search engine.

[@Bradgilliswhammyman]

We're gonna need a bigger bomb. They should have made one large bomb 2 or 3x as powerful.

[@sdsures]

Before I became sriously ill, I was working on qualifications to apply to a Master's in Translation programme, with an interest in subtitling. Although my focus is Russian rather than German, maybe there's someone at Portsmouth University who might be able to help you there. They do offer German as a language speciality. If you'd like the URL, I can PM it to you.

[@jonburrows2684]

You ok now? Still with us?

[@jhonytio2348]

✊

[@Sup_Mate]

I think it'd be silly for them to have German accents, might as well just have them speaking German then. They sound a little British but thats just because they're supposed to sound like proper gentlemen.

[@Filippoplgd]

"Anti-Nazi" "resistance" "hero" von Stauffenberg (from 1939 letter to wife): "Locals are unbelievable rabble, so many Jews and cross-breeds. One can smell extraordinary misery around. It's a nation, which needs a lash to feel comfortable, visibly it needs a lash. Thousands of prisoners will help to develop our agriculture. Germans might benefit, because they [Poles and Jews] are attentive, hard-working and undemanding."

[@miroslavtomic2681]

Most actors who play consipirators in this movie, have almost unbelievable facial similarities to people they play. Virtually, the sole exception is Kenneth Branagh, who bares no reseblance whatsoever to real Henning Von Treskow, who was small and bolding man. Plus, at 42 years of age, Tresckow was almost 20 years younger then Branagh.

[@jhonytio2348]

FINISH THE RED TABLEL

[@sdsures]

Very sad. :(

[@iggyarctic5711]

SAD? It is "sad" that A H.,etc. weren't killed long before .Inept officers that ,repeatedly,could conquer Europe and most of the USSR,but were not able to kill 1 evil man.

[@persi9380]

If you are going to go back on your oath, "to the death" then have the balls and finish the job, regardless whether you live or not. These idiots ordered thousands to their deaths yet not one of them wanted to die for a just cause, one of which was their country.

[@1945joshuaruiz]

Pe rsi they needed to be alive

[@walshy1234]

Beck doesn't even kill himself

[@soxified]

He shoots himself in the film, and we don't see any more of him. Of course, Beck's suicide failed and he was then executed (but we don't see that in the film).

[@robpegler6545]

Chris lel Beck wounded and blinded himself, then a sergeant in the room was ordered to finish him off with a shot to the back of the neck. He wasn't nursed back to health and then executed, although that may have happened to others involved in the plot (there were at least one or two other officers who tried to shoot themselves when the SS showed up at the door, but botched it and were arrested anyway). In any case, Fromm went against orders and executed the top conspirators as quickly as possible to cover up his own connection with the plot, so he wouldn't have wanted to keep Beck alive any longer than he had to. For all the good it did him.

[@fendypradanasaputra8068]

3:05

[@anitabaker-velez60]

The actors should sound German instead of British. Since its based on actual German events.

[@easfgman4687]

Anita Baker-Velez i also thought it was strange that some have german accents, most have british, and one of them is from california! (cruise joke)

[@brunostiglitz7535]

Yeh at least they do the German accents ...

[@celularifood2036]

Somente eu uso esse aparelho

[@rooseveltdarbey9493]

Helldorf was chief of police he should have kept fighting. Infact all of them should have kept fighting to the death.

[@celularifood2036]

✒ Luciana Salles

[@abigailsockeye1586]

If this wasn't a true story Tom Cruise wouldn't die at the end.

[@bosskanova685]

It’s not so much that they were anti nazis. They were anti Hitler nazis who wanted to not only make peace with the allies but join forces with the allies to push the soviets back. The belief was that if Germany could concentrate her resources on the eastern front they could beat the Russians. While the German military resistance was partially inspired out of disgust of the final solution, it was mostly out of strategic necessity.

[@KellyPedro]

I suppose some were cinics, some were noble, and most of them had both within. All were very brave, though.

[@bosskanova685]

@@KellyPedro it was truly the "grand adventure" of their time I suppose

[@jhonytio2348]

Jangan di sambungkan..

[@mischuschubhan3618]

Technically speaking they were all traitors.

[@CollapseTalkPod]

Y dont they have german accents?

[@celularifood2036]

Alteraram o usuario para 2036

[@tomjones2202]

They were so close,, so very close,, God bless em and all the nearly 5,000 who were executed. Some who had nothing to do with it.

[@jeromecristobal5479]

may kulang sa plano nila, ang isipin kung ano ang ggwin kung pumalpak ang plano. they should arm themselves heavily and fought back instead of accepting executions if the plan failed, i die fighting

[@TpDgreat]

tama ka pero,anong masasabi mo sa mga naunang attempt na assasination? siguro meron silang plan b pero alam naman natin lahat sila pumalpak,ang point ko lang is di ganun kadali gawin yung mga ganito ,para sakin tong valkyrie parang baril na isa lang ang bala, dapat perfect pag execute ,,no plan b at alam nila yun,

[@pettyofficer30]

I really wonder if this could happen in the U.S.

[@jonburrows2684]

Yes if they keep voting for Nazi democrats

[@davidwatson3456]

It almost did remember the coup at the capital

[@kevinbautsch]

ACHTUNG!!!! Bringin Mein horsenblanketenshaften!!!!!!! Wonder if anyone will get the joke?

[@KristerAndersson-nc8zo]

I have not seen this but it is Another try of Hollywood to rewrite history?

[@crscot1322]

Krister Andersson no its not

[@KristerAndersson-nc8zo]

scotland the best Well I suppose I have to Watch it then and see if I can spot any flaws then.

[@crscot1322]

Krister Andersson well I didnt really spot any major flaws. There is a few flaws. But every film has its flaws

[@ennio997]

+Krister Andersson Not really; it's true there was an anti-hitler sentiment within the Wehrmacht , starting from Field Marshal Rommel down to Von Tresckow; not everyone was a staunch nazi, moaning about fuhrer-prinzip wasn't exactly recommended. Rommel for instance wanted Hitler to be arrested and brought on trial. Von Stauffenberg nevertheless was a conservative yet couldn't stomach Hitler, sure thing he wasn't a communist :)

[@jimmychannel1803]

+Krister Andersson its not

[@jhonytio2348]

Putuskan tembaga acdc

[@abifabianaartunduaga6755]

Mas o menos el video

[@abullohambus3445]

เยอรมนี

[@chetashatacheta2131]

Fromm is trator

[@pacajalbert9018]

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