Who Were the 'Black and Tans'? | 5 Minute History: Episode 5

[@alfiejob6546]

The interesting thing about the song "Come out ye Black and Tans" is that it's not actually about the B&T or the Irish war of independence. It's actually about a street fight between Anti- and Pro-Treaty republicans. The songwriter used B&T as a derogatory term for Pro-Treaty republicans.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Interesting interpretation sadly very few understood why Collins signed the treaty

[@brandonk.4864]

Aw that’s sad, I completely understand why they signed the treaty

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@brandonk.4864 It might have had to do with occurring losses

[@retrocd7991]

If we had micheal collins past the civil war.......imagine how much better our country would have been

[@alfiejob6546]

@@retrocd7991 It's definitely an interesting what-if scenario, and one that would see radically different Ireland.

[@JT-uw5xi]

fun fact: Michael Griffins niece is still alive and lives down the road from me

[@melvinvanhaperen9555]

Fun fact indeed

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Go give her a kiss

[@emperorhadrian6011]

@@ShubhamMishrabro A tulip*

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@@emperorhadrian6011 😳😎

[@PatriotMapper]

@@emperorhadrian6011 A kiss on the cheek*

[@oliversherman2414]

I'm British and I've got the song "Come Out Ye Blanch And Tans" stuck in my head from constantly getting video recommendations of it on KZbin lol

[@kingjoe3rd]

You are only partially right about the Green hats being seen as black, but the black really came from when they first showed up there and some of them had on a dark tunic with khaki pants sometimes vice versa and the dark green hat, which made them resemble Kerry Beagles, a dog breed that has a similar color scheme that people referred to as "black and tans".

[@eoinfenton3416]

They engaged in a particularly egregious campaign in South Galway, including the shooting dead of a pregnant 24 year old mother who was holding her baby at the door of her house as they drove by. She was fired on from a moving truck and left to bleed out on her front lawn.

[@jimdonovan243]

Sounds like Martin McGuiness lived locally.

[@eoinfenton3416]

@@jimdonovan243 I’m sure this makes sense in your head

[@jokingosprey666]

They did their worst in Clare, especially in the small town that I live in. Google about the burning of ennistymon

[@michaelshanahan4042]

Some thing like that would definitely turn you against the British 😊

[@conmereth]

​@@michaelshanahan4042And similar acts by the IRA turned many against the republican cause. The Troubles were a shit show all around

[@MRAnonomousMAN]

great video. However the use of "conscripted" is used improperly in your video. Conscription is the act of forcing a person into a military force. They willingly joined the RIC. The correct word to use here would be "enlisted" other than that great job!!!

[@loc9588]

good spot

[@dalemoss4684]

In some cases they had got in some sort of trouble in the army and were moved to the RIC to avoid dishonorable discharge which further increased their perception as thugs

[@jovanweismiller7114]

Get your facts straight, Hilbert! The British Union of Fascists wasn't even formed until 1932, so I seriously doubt they were protesting the Tans in 1920. It's true the founder of the BUF, Oswald Mosley protested the Tans, but he was a member of the Tory Party at the time. He left it over the Irish question and sat as an Independent, before becoming a Member of the Labour Party and a Minister in the Labour Government of Ramsay MacDonald.

[@raymondhaskin9449]

Mosley didn’t care about the Irish question. He only used it to attack the tories and make a name for himself. In his book “my life” he actually admits to agreeing with Henry Wilson’s parliamentary speech justifying the Black and Tans. His official policy towards Ireland when leading the BUF was that it must remain in the British empire or be crushed with economic sanctions.

[@toker6664]

Is it more about the perpetual victimhood of weak Irish men? Because its been what a 1000 years and the Irish stayed victims, as a people I'd be embarrassed

[@obi-wankenobi5926]

@@toker6664 What nationality are you?

[@toker6664]

@@obi-wankenobi5926 English and what

[@Deathtrip420]

@@toker6664 figures as much. I’m sure you’d say that for every country you’re murderous government has colonized.

[@kightsun]

The song is ironic considering the two sides' fighting styles.

[@bigbirb340]

Thank you, I was saying that for years.

[@Stormcloakvictory]

That's cause it's meant to be implemented differently. They didn't mean real black and tans, it meant black and tans as in Irishmen who favoured the treaty and were seen as traitors hiding amongst the Irish. Come out ye black and tans! (Come out you Irish traitors) Whilst on the other hand, it makes perfect sense for them to not come out because you'd get ostracized and beaten by a mob for merely a political opinion.

[@kightsun]

@@Stormcloakvictory I get that. I've also only ever seen the song used in reference to the real black and tans personally.

[@thomasmcguinness365]

Here there's nothing wrong with ambushes.

[@kightsun]

@@thomasmcguinness365 the irony seems lost on you.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Come out ye black and tans, come out and fight me like a man! Show your wife how you won medals down in FLAAAANDERS! Tell her how the IRA made you run like hell away From the green and lovely lanes of Killashandra Whether you support the movement or not, you have to admit this song's a banger

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

Ah yes, I too love making fun of war veterans.

[@rexblade504]

@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 Well when you're fighting against them, you don't really care about them having already fought for your enemy

[@darkduck-qg2so]

BRING BACK BRING BACK, BRING BACK THE BLACK AND TANS, is a hilarious one from the other side, with an absolutely Balkan vibe

[@comradekenobi6908]

Don't forget the *GO ON HOME BRITISH SOLDIER GO ON HOME* *HAVE YOU NOT FVCKING HOMES OF YOUR OWN* *FOR 800 YEARS WE FOUGHT YOU WITHOUT FEARS* *AND WE'LL FIGHT YOU FOR 800 MORE*

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

@@rexblade504 They fought for Ireland and then they tried to fight for the existence of Protestantism in Ireland. There's a reason why you'll find both Catholics and protestants in the north, but bare to none protestants in the republic.

[@micahistory]

congratulations on finally reaching 300,000 subscribers!

[@micahistory]

These guys basically undermined the entire British cause there

[@micahistory]

@@toker6664 im not pro Irish lol

[@raymondhaskin9449]

No they didn’t. They would crushed the terrorists and saved the British cause if parliament hadn’t backstabbed them.

[@NEWBkiller646]

@@raymondhaskin9449 Cry more, United Irish Republic in our life time, the union is dying.

[@gojimovedchannel1478]

@@NEWBkiller646 it isn't though. See you in 10 years

[@NEWBkiller646]

@@gojimovedchannel1478 Imagine saying that without a shred of irony while the loyalism implodes over the NIP and while the Tories promise Unionists the world, only to sell them down the river at soonest opportunity.

[@The_Republic_of_Ireland]

A woman in the village over from me was shot by the Tans after she was bringing home a basket of spuds and they thought she had guns in it instead. The next day her husband joined the IRA

[@MJ-cv5ye]

Don't you mean the volunteers?

[@The_Republic_of_Ireland]

@@MJ-cv5ye the IRA volunteers then if we're being literal

[@MJ-cv5ye]

@@The_Republic_of_Ireland am....what?, that literally makes no sense. The Irish Volunteers. They were a seperate organisation to the IRA. Most people mistake the IRA for the volunteers. The IRA were a covert group. The Irish Volunteers were the official army of the Dail which conducted the majority of revolutionary activities. The IRA however had been infiltrating the volunteers since before 1916 so there was overlap, about 1/2 the leadership of the Volunteers & SF were also IRA members but they were not the same organisation. If your relation was carrying out assasinations or engaging in spy operations against British forces, they were probably in the IRA or acting on its behalf. If they joined the rank & file flyiny columns & carried out ambushes or raids, then they were almost certainly in the volunteers. The Irish Volunteers were the official army of the 1st Dail & known as (Oghlaigh na hEireann), the IRA were a seperate partially overlapping paramilitary force with converging goals with the 1st democratically elected Dail but where not strictly the same thing. Thats why when nationalism split over the treaty, the anti treaty IRA rebels got their arses kicked in the civil war. It was because Oghlaigh na hEireann stayed loyal to the Irish national government. It was 69,000 vs 15,000 with 2/3 of the IRA being anti treaty. The IRA got a lot of their members into the upper echelons of the Irish Volunteers like Collins, Mulchey & O Duffy & that is why Oghlaigh na hEireann often gets confused or muddled with the IRA but of the 1/3 of IRA members who sided with the pro treaty side & thus with the elected Dail, it included basically all the upper command staff of the IRA which overlapped 1/2 the IVs command staff. Tom Barry was the most senior IRA commander to side with the anti treaty IRA & he was basically a regional battalion commander. But i digress, your relation was probably just a Volunteer. Not to be confused with the modern Provisional IRA who also call their recruits "volunteers" in a deliberate attempt to obsure history as part of their long running campaign to retrospectively manufacture historical legitimacy.

[@MJ-cv5ye]

@Martin Cregan while most of that is correct. Your assertion the "IRA was in vogue" seems like a non sequitor. First off, so what, it did not change the fact it was a covert org. & not the official or open army of the Irish Republic. It had overlap & members in high positions in the volunteers but that didnt make it the same organisation. It was as you admit. An infiltration. Also Eoin McNeill was hardly a figurehead when almost none of the Irish volunteers turned out. They followed his & Bulmer Hobsons legitimate orders not the rogue fringe orders of Pearse. Additionally while its called a countermanding, thats a misleading term as Pearse never had the authority to call out the volunteers. Additionally its also misleading to think Pearse had all of the IRA on board. Many in dublin went out because they thought the orders were legitimate & didnt find out till after the fighting was done. 1916 was a rag tag operation of hardnuts & extremists in the IRA, some groomed child soldiers Pearse failed in his duty of care of, the ICA(Irish Citizen Army) lead by Connolly & Pat Lahey(the disillusioned co founder of Sinn Fein, before Griffith merged it with his Irish council & turned it into a royalist party). Add to that some duped Irish volunteers from Dublin. 3-4,250 IRA, Irish volunteers & ICA etc. took part in the fighting. The fighting went on for 6 days. The rest could have joined in if it was popular or McNeill was just a figure head. They didnt. For context, the rising happened post National volunteers split & so while the Irish volunteers were much reduced by the fact most of the 200,000 Irish volunteers felt that fighting for Britain 1 last time in the fashion promised to India for WW2 was the best route. 13,500 IV were still in Ireland in 1916. A max of 3000 supported the rebellion. Thus even at its most reduced, the number supporting Pearse at that point in time was only 1 in 5 active members. I can do little for your misaprehension of historical fact. The IRA was not the majority of Irish rebels. Its a label which has been retrospectively & retroactively conflated & inflated to serve certain modern political agendas. The IRA did not rule the IV, the overwhelming majority of serving Irish rebels & nationalists were in the Irish volunteers. Post 1916, the national volunteers didnt flood back into the IRA, they flooded back into the IV. while leading IRA members were in powerful positions within the IV & Sinn Fein, they were not the majority of the rank & file & while influincing policy, actions & later ideology of the Irish state. They were not overtly, directly or solely in charge of the Irish cause. That could not have been pointed out more clearly by the civil war were the IRA rebelled & did so without basically any of their senior leadership. They didn't have the majority of the Dail or even Sinn Fein with them. In fact, they got no Labour or Farmer party votes & 7 more SF deputies sided with the treaty. It wasnt even a close vote. The Irish volunteers basically to a man sided with the Dail. Thus when the civil war broke out the rebels could muster 15,000 vs 70,000 on the pro treaty side. If the IV was some how the IRA by 1921 as your muddled response about things being in vogue seems to imply. The rank & file IRA siding with the anti treaty side should have meant it was easily lost by the pro treaty side.

[@IskBrul]

Shows how paranoid they’d become

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

"Beware the horns of a bull, the heels of the horse, and the smile of an Englishman" - James Joyce

[@Paul__Allen]

Black and tans: Brutally repress the Irish The irish: fight back. Black and tans: "Shocked" 😲

[@incursus1401]

>come out you black and tans >lose every open battle and have to resort to hidden ambushes

[@Paul__Allen]

@@incursus1401.... Of course. They didn't have weapons capable of going against the mightiest empire the world had ever seen so they had to resort to hit and run tactics.

[@GrainneMhaol]

@@incursus1401 Don't get salty cause they kicked your arses

[@incursus1401]

@@GrainneMhaol im not english i just found that part of the song ironic

[@hcollins4066]

@@incursus1401 it’s more in reference to their inability to find any ira and as a result cowardly taking it out on innocent civilians

[@carmelmulroy6459]

Loads of the IRA men at that time had served in WWI as well such as my husband's grandfather. And he didn't run around burning down people's houses and businesses.

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

Same mine faught in ww1 then came back and faught for the ira his son my grandfather was enlisted before Dunkirk and even after ww2 went marching for the ira. Its like a retirement hobby

[@jimdonovan243]

Yes they did. Read on the reprisal raids of the IRA. The struggle for independance continued into a civil war with the IRA attacking women and children, forcing them from their homes in the middle of the night and burning down any building they thought fit. Read more and your eyes will see.

[@toneschofield4609]

Unlike Churchill's Black & Tan terrorist scum, who liked burning the homes of defenceless civilians.

[@barneymagee3285]

In his book Ira ‘commandant ‘ Tom Barry , ( a former soldier) gloats about burning all the British loyalists homes..

[@caninecurry5823]

We'll he wouldn't have gone around bragging about burning down people's houses, would he?.. nah I'm sure he was a very honourable and gentle guerilla fighter. Lmao.

[@annrobinson7766]

My granny lived through the tans period in Belfast. The people her age were traumatised for all of their lives by what they witnessed from the tans. The description “black” to describe someone in Ireland is not used to describe any outward appearance it means a type of darkness about that person or place.

[@padraigpearse1551]

My great great uncle took part in the burning of the custom house and was capture by the tans and they tortured him. They beat the hell out of him and tore out his fingernails but he never gave any information and he was released after the truce was signed

[@Fofenho]

lol

[@alfiejob6546]

Interesting. Do you know of any other stories about your great great uncle?

[@padraigpearse1551]

@@alfiejob6546 yeah he was actually picked to help assassinate a member of the Cairo gang on bloody sunday and unfortunately he then went on to be a main instugator I the ballyseedy massacre and is known as the "butcher of ballyseedy". His name is Captain Edmund Breslin if youre interested

[@alfiejob6546]

@@padraigpearse1551 Just looked him up, he definitely did have an interesting career. Surprised there's only a few things written about him. It must feel you with a sense of pride knowing one of your relatives was involved in an important part of Irish history. As for the Ballyseedy massacre, I had heard of it, but I didn't know what happened in it. So when I looked it up, and found out those 9 prisoners and the mine, I couldn't help but think ""good grief." It also amazes me to know that one person managed to survive the whole thing (reminds me of similar story with Frederick Forde at Kilmichael).

[@padraigpearse1551]

@@alfiejob6546 I know a lot of stuff has been passed down through the family but thankfully the stories haven't been meddled with yet. It definitely is incredible to have someone in your family who has led such a life. My family have always been involved with ireland militarily from around the late 1890s to early 1900s right up until the end of the troubles

[@dirlegangergaming8883]

"Best thing they left was the song" You mean actually... NOW YOUVE HEARD ABOUT GREAT ARMIES, THAT CONQUERED FAR AND NEAR

[@ευθυμηξερωπουμενειςκαισεγαμω]

@Blueeagle1314 now here's a little history we are trying to repeat

[@blackacidgaming5672]

Only things tans could beat were women and old priests

[@OscarDirlwood]

@@blackacidgaming5672 if you can throw a punch, you can take one

[@abrahamjenkins1655]

Random questions but does anyone know why the kings of Denmark and Sweden gave up the title "King of the Geats" in 1972 and 1973 respectively?

[@oscarosullivan4513]

I don’t but Denmark and Sweden were changing

[@Thirst4id]

Good question. Never studied areas like that up until after the Vikings.

[@aaronmarks9366]

The Geats sued them

[@Makarosc]

The geats aren't really a thing anymore

[@keiths81ca]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_XVI_Gustaf He ushered in an era of modernization and reform of the Swedish Monarchy.

[@briandavis4580]

Absolutely brutal and cruel attacks by the Black and Tans on innocent people. It's not surprising, but is sad nonetheless. Pretty sickening that the British government encouraged that pathological behavior. I'm not from either country, but thoroughly enjoyed the video. Thanks for making this!

[@averagejoe8358]

The American government encouraged dictatorship and forced disappearance well into the 70's and 80's. Just saying.

[@barneymagee3285]

It’s propaganda…. Britain was trying to stop a murder campaign .

[@davidbowie5023]

As an Irish, Black and Tan lived in our memories forever as the most hated foes. Their ruthlessness is still being taught in schools which such disdains.

[@bunyipbunyipson6033]

Is that why micks are spiteful

[@barneymagee3285]

Priests teaching biased hatred…

[@einheri]

They were not conscripts; they were volunteers.

[@alessandromazzini7026]

let's be honest, the atrocity done by them come by the fact they were british.

[@darraghhogan1467]

My two grand uncles were innocently killed by the black and tans aged 20 and 22, on the 18th April 1921

[@finolaomurchu8217]

Was that in Tipperary as a matter of interest?

[@annoyedbrox4851]

My great grandfather fought for the IRA as a agent we have his dairy still with us. His name was Roger McShane

[@finolaomurchu8217]

@Rusty Shackleford You should find out more info if any of these people still around. I'm laughing to myself at the child dressed in re d called a "hun".🤣☘

[@oscarosullivan4513]

1:24 shows a mix between the trousers and jacket colours

[@phil9582]

A long winded way of saying "a shower of rotten bastards" this

[@roryomalley3183]

Founded by Churchill

[@therantingenglishman9284]

Ordinary Men is a hell of a book. It’s on a different subject - namely the German police in Poland - but it definitely gives an insight on just how close to being a part of that ‘shower of rotten bastards’ you and I both are. It goes without saying ofcourse but here I am saying it: The atrocities committed by the British in Ireland should be wholly condemned as should those committed by the IRA and associated factions. I don’t see either side as sunshine and rainbows.

[@phil9582]

@@therantingenglishman9284 I'm well aware of the psychology of time/situation/era. It lessens their atrocities not one bit. But for a gust of wind, the hand of God, or a shaky handed soldier, i wouldn't be here to be close to anything - one nearly took the head off my great grandmother whilst shooting indiscriminately and without reason down a residential street - so I'll stay on my high horse if it's all the same. 😂

[@toker6664]

Long winded way to say you supported Hitler

[@phil9582]

@@toker6664 🤣🤣 explain

[@augnkn93043]

They didn’t serve under the RIC. They were regular recruits to the RIC.

[@lennonkelly-james2693]

IRA: Come out ye Black and Tans come out and fight me like a man. Black and Tans: Does exactly that, are efficient and ruthless against them directly wiping the floor with them. The IRA: War criminals, how dare you fight us directly as we said you wouldn't!

[@corey1054]

So that's why Ireland is still occupied by the British army then? Oh wait... All the black and tans could do was burn down civilian property when some of them got what was coming to them.

[@borkborkimasporkmrspork9300]

"The best thing they left behind was the song" - YEEOOO

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

Auld Tom Barry and the Boys hated the Essex regiment as much as the Tans and got to grips with them a few times. Crossbarry being the most famous.

[@TheAnthraxBiology]

SHOW YOUR WIFE HOW YOU WON MEDALS DOWN IN FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDERS

[@billpg]

Were the "IRC" errors from thinking about the IRA or the Internet chat protocol?

[@alfiejob6546]

Yes it is. He puts a correction to his mistake at at 0:48.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

The BBC is a literal garbage can KCTV is where it's at, factual news from a powerful presenter

[@dreizer1272]

Indeed my dear leader

[@TheJauntyCarrot]

Long time fan of the channel, another great video! I'm not sure if this came up in your research as well but I found in interesting that the Black and Tans were created by then secretary of war Winston Churchill.

[@alfiejob6546]

Yes and no. The Black and Tans were introduced in 1919 by Henry Hugh Tudor. The group that was created by Churchill was the Auxiliary Division, a paramilitary force that was formed in early 1920 to counter the IRA.

[@aaronmarks9366]

@@alfiejob6546 Damn, Henry Tudor lived a long time

[@alfiejob6546]

@@aaronmarks9366 It's meant to be Henry Hugh Tudor, I just shortened it to Henry Tudor for brevity. I'll change it now.

[@aaronmarks9366]

@@alfiejob6546 Lol, I was just joking

[@alfiejob6546]

@@aaronmarks9366 I know. I just thought I might elaborate on who it was, because there are quite a few people who have the name.

[@edwardblair4096]

Any relationship with the "mixed" beer drink where you have a layer of black stout and one of a lighter brown ale in the same mug?

[@hcollins4066]

One thing for sure is you should never order a black and tan drink in Ireland, though not sure how it ended up being called that

[@micahistory]

Good video

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

The Black and Tans (Irish na Dúchrónaigh), officially the Royal Irish Constabulary Special Reserve, was one of two paramilitary groups in Ireland from 1920 to 1921. Officially, the Black and Tans - like the second group, the Auxiliary Division - belonged to the Royal Irish Constabulary, but in fact they acted almost independently. Both groups served to suppress and combat Sinn Féin and the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and practiced pro-British state terrorism. In January 1920 the British government launched a recruiting campaign for "men ready to do a tough and dangerous job" to support the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) in increasingly anti-British Ireland. This government campaign was the idea of Winston Churchill, who was British Secretary of War at the time. As it turned out, there was no shortage of recruits. Many of the applicants were British WWI veterans. In November 1921, the Black and Tans numbered about 9,500 men. This large number of men quickly led to a shortage of uniforms, so that new recruits were equipped with khaki army uniforms (usually just the pants) and dark green or blue British police uniforms. This mixture of colors led to the nickname "Black and Tans" (literally translated: black and brown), a reference to a well-known pack of hunting dogs from County Limerick. The name persisted even after the group received new uniforms.

[@benthomason3307]

You know you've crossed a line when even your country's fascists are calling you out.

[@bradley8575]

Nice Job reaching 300K Subs keep up the Good Work!

[@historywithhilbert]

Thank you very much!

[@bighuge1060]

I'm 1/3 Irish and always celebrated that side of my heritage. I knew of the Irish hatred of Britain but only recently heard of the term Black and Tan in this context other than the famed drink of stout and ale. Thank you for relating the story of this part of history in such an efficient manner.

[@thomsboys77]

No one cares, yankee

[@colakarim]

I remember when I gave a ride to this Aussie chick from a festival and Come out Ye Black and Tans was playing in my car. She gave me a *very* confused look (I'm mixed race) and asked: "Is this a racist song?!" Took a bit of explaining to clear up that confusion, quite similar to the first half of the video :D

[@Guadalajara1937]

Lmaoo

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Getting the wrong end of the stick

[@capncake8837]

Years ago when I first heard of the song and didn’t actually know about the origin of the term, I thought it referred to black and brown people.

[@lazzie7495]

​@@capncake8837I mean white people are more tan than brown people.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

They also burnt houses down

[@briandavis4580]

True... a lot like the British and Vikings in the past when in Ireland, right?

[@christopheraliaga-kelly6254]

The British General Crozier tried to 'weed out' the most undisciplinable of the Black & Tans and Auxies, but was continually overruled by Civil Servants in Dublin Castle. In exasperation, he resigned his commission!

[@thepiratepenguin4465]

Anglo-Irish war, Anglo-Indian wars, Anglo-French wars & Anglo-Boer wars. I think the Anglos are a problem.

[@mazadancoseben4818]

"It's the damn Anglos running everything! "

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

@@mattressstore4694 us are anglos too.

[@lazzie7495]

​​@@user-ze8yy8jg1fthe Irish and Anglos are natural enemies, like the French and Anglos, and the Germans and the Anglos, and the Scots and the Anglos, and the Anglos and the other Anglos. Damn Anglos, they ruined England.

[@apollyon1987]

“Pricks” saved you 5 minutes

[@philipvecchio3292]

I like how you use the actual Spanish pronunciation of Guerilla.

[@ciaranmacdiarmada9370]

Small note on the tans (royal Irish constabulary special reserve being the official name ) didn't wear the tam o shanter (the sort of beret) as commonly thought, however the auxiliary division RIC did (made up of ex officers and also confusingly sometimes referred to as the black and tans). The tans (special reserve) wore a mixed uniform due to shortages but all were issued the RIC belt and the RIC peaked cap. 2/3 months after deployment they were issued with full RIC uniforms. After this point, the easiest way to spot a black and tan was the English / Scottish accent, the shorter stature of the men compared to the RIC (which had a height requirement) and the military medals on their chest which were awarded during the way. Another note, the BUF didn't exist during the Anglo-Irish war, however Mosley (then a member of the labour party I believe) was strongly against the war in Ireland. As ever Hilbert, great video thanks again.

[@finolaomurchu8217]

Good description detail there Ciaràn. That makes sense about the shorter height.

[@ciaranmacdiarmada9370]

@@finolaomurchu8217 thank finola, both the RIC and the DMP had height requirements (minimum 5 foot 9 during this period, or 5 foot 8 if your father had served in the force for the RIC and the DMP, though I'm not sure of an exact measurement, had to be around 6 foot + , tall even for today's standards !)

[@finolaomurchu8217]

@@ciaranmacdiarmada9370 No my father's father died in World War 1, his brother was sniper at 25 Northumberland Road, shooting at the Sherwood Forresters. A lot of them were killed, they thought they were being sent to France, but no to the civil war in Dublin. Poor Michael was shot eventually. The same Sherwood Forresters stationed in Richmond Barracks, were called into Kilmainham Jail to execute the leaders, a few days later. Richmond Barracks is in Inchicore right beside Kilmainham jail. I do enjoy history.

[@ciaranmacdiarmada9370]

@@finolaomurchu8217 I think you got the wrong reply on this one finola ! 😂 Interesting to hear about your families involvement in the history of Ireland !

[@barneymagee3285]

@@ciaranmacdiarmada9370 ye are correct about the height , but many of the recruits were in fact Irish .

[@finn4012]

The Black and Tans are up there with Cromwell. I hate them with all my heart

[@barneymagee3285]

You have been damaged by your ‘education’system , many modern Irish authors are uncovering the truth vs propaganda.

[@TheDizastarmaster]

release your heart from hatred

[@wtchnwsnw2100]

Who was that clown at the beginning? He almost looks familiar

[@gimzod76]

He's the former us president coffee boy isn't he?

[@austinmoore7328]

Come out you can tans and fight me like a man

[@austinmoore7328]

Come out you can tans and fight me like a man

[@benhenry9108]

Idk why, but everytime I hear "guerilla" pronounced correctly and not like "Go-Rilluh", it makes me feel at peace.

[@aidenrandall9279]

Actually, the term was originally used by the Spanish, so it would be pronounced how he pronounced it because that's how it's said in Spanish.

[@chill-ified2913]

Only the English pronunciation “gorilla” makes sense for the word “guerilla” for me lol

[@ayylmao2569]

benefitted the conservative party in that all the pro-liberal irish unionists had seats in the south while the pro-conservative unionists were practically all in ulster

[@soyavocado]

BRING BACK BRING BACK BRING BACK THE BLACK AND TANS 🇬🇧🇬🇧💪💪💪

[@askindo5466]

"come out you black and tans come out and fight me like a man" proceeds to lose every non ambush confrontation

[@trevoranthonyjamesherbert2963]

Should they have just walked into the machine guns and armoured cars?

[@thomasmcguinness365]

Wrong, just historically wrong.

[@Seth9809]

Yeah, but that's not like a man though.

[@averagejoe8358]

"Like a man" IRA proceeds to detonate bombs in shopping center litter boxes.

[@5.7moy]

The Black and Tans uniform looks amazing

[@5.7moy]

@Doxx Box Returns not true. The only bad part is that they’re Protestant.

[@niallhumphreys6918]

YES Irish content thanks for all of these Irish history videos

[@professorminstrels6460]

Finally! Been wanting this type of video for a while! 🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@professorminstrels6460]

@Joe McIlroy i support a united ireland. I am guessing thats what you are referring to

[@professorminstrels6460]

@Joe McIlroy do enlighten me.

[@professorminstrels6460]

@Joe McIlroy i am not a catholic if thats one of them. Although my family background is catholic

[@professorminstrels6460]

@Joe McIlroy ireland, Co. Waterford

[@professorminstrels6460]

@Joe McIlroy means someone who is/was a republican. I.e. the fenian brotherhood. Can also be user by some as an insult By implying that there are multiple meanings kinda indicates to me that you don't know what it means.

[@gubgub3275]

Americans who share almost nothing with the actual Irish population: "I'm Irish"!!!!

[@jarrettlowery2802]

People always find a way to insert Americans into a topic

[@BudMasta]

Your country probably relies heavily on US tourism. What a joke.

[@pwabd2784]

@@jarrettlowery2802 it's relevant when the opening clip is of the American president.

[@xtraprebel6274]

How is America relevant to this topic?

[@bruceboyer8187]

Biden is a dotterung old fool who just wants ice cream. So he's Irish? He has also claimed to be black and many other halucinations...

[@chrisjansson4540]

YOU GOT IT! THANKS.

[@chrisbacos]

Those were not the flags of India or South Africa at the time.

[@kevinconrad6156]

And the beer mix.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

A half and half

[@adversary0932]

I read the title as black and trans for like a second LMAOOOOO

[@rushi5638]

Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders...

[@dstinnettmusic]

Come out ye Black and Tans

[@averagejoe8358]

Now you've heard about great armies who conquered far and near, You've heard about the 36th, the glorious volunteers. Here's a little history we're trying to repeat, It's sung in every loyalist town and every loyalist street! Bring back, bring back, bring back the Black and Tans! Bring back, bring back, bring back the Black and Tans! We'll get the IRA on the run from Belfast to Strabane, With the UDA and UVF and the boys of the Black and Tans! From the famous walls of Derry to Belfast City Hall, From Antrim, Fermanagh, Tyrone and County Down, And even in Armagh, boys, where the rebels might be strong, If there's only one big loyalist there you'll hear him sing this song! Bring back, bring back, bring back the Black and Tans! Bring back, bring back, bring back the Black and Tans! We'll get the IRA on the run from Belfast to Strabane, With the UDA and UVF and the boys of the Black and Tans!

[@jensjensen9035]

They were a bunch of based lads

[@kg6itc]

What the B&T created in Palestine has come to fruition. Their legacy of brutality for Empire lives on. Forgotten history screams from the grace to remember it.

[@redarmy1698]

“If there’s only one brave loyalist left you’ll here him sing this song OH! Bring back bring back bring back the Black and Tans!”

[@marsstubblefield]

1:27 - so you mean, like the average American city cop

[@clover1475]

Not many people know this but it was Winston Churchill that had put together the black and tans

[@mollyhague6546]

dude da cat down da Rd Knows dat

[@Epidian]

Catholic minister? Conscripted?

[@Guadalajara1937]

Modern day templars

[@Epidian]

@@Guadalajara1937 Right, whoever heard of a conscripted templar but Hilbert not knowing the difference between a priest and a minister puts me right off.

[@PapaPalpatine666]

Britain's Gestapo basically.

[@gimzod76]

Which is ironic as the Ira were begging for aid from nazi Germany.

[@roranger6208]

@@liamneil8918 sounds good to me

[@felixgoodhew7723]

Very interesting I've always wanted to learn more about them

[@rebelbatdave5993]

Shared! Hope it helps! SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

[@teru797]

Am I the only one bothered that he used the entirely historically incorrect flag for South Africa? Thumbs up if its not just me.

[@kapytanhook]

Soon, like Rhodesia, south Africa will only be alive in our hearts

[@sorayacatfriend]

He used the modern flags for both India and South Africa.

[@teru797]

@@sorayacatfriend Now I'm bothered by this as well lol

[@kapytanhook]

In all honesty I don't mind the new flag design, but I really wish their government got their ducks in a row. Africa has so much promise

[@wildfire9280]

The funny thing is you could make another video with American history using the same title

[@markaxworthy2508]

How could the BUF condemn the Black and Tans when it wasn't to exist for another decade?

[@owestyo]

You forgot so far to mention they were also criminals, murderers or worse.

[@k3D4rsi554maq]

They weren't conscripted. They were recruited and paid ten shillings a day.

[@k3D4rsi554maq]

Ex-officers were recruited as a separate unit and were paid a pound a day. They were known as the auxiliaries and were hated more than the Tans.

[@kevinrwhooley9439]

My great grandfather and his brother were members of the IRA and were wanted by the Black and Tans. At one point their home was raided and the two men hid under their bed. They were almost found until my great grandma chased the Black and Tans out with a rolling pin.

[@roranger6208]

Hope they rest in piss

[@09weenic]

Sure she did 😂

[@Juliukas101]

It was dreadful what happened in Ireland and the actions of the Black and Tans were awful, however the Irish did not fight like men as the song suggests, they used guerilla tactics!

[@malcolmlugg9843]

The Black and Tans are the New Zealand rugby team, apparently

[@randommoroccan1262]

>fight me like a man >does hit and run tactics

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

Thats how it is done

[@jakegalvin6946]

It won the war

[@ieatmice751]

Exactly I mean at least the RIC was prepared to fight a conventional war, not utilising cowardly tactics and hiding amongst civilians and using them as shields like all terrorists do

[@hcollins4066]

@Rusty Shackleford that was beautifully put

[@hcollins4066]

@@ieatmice751 and when the “conventional war” they were prepared for didn’t work out they acted so bravely and were so courageous when they viciously and brutally, assaulted and killed innocent civilians. Poor poor RIC, god if only the Ira had faced them head on with their tanks and artillery, how cowardly of them to not stand still and be obliterated off the face of the earth. There is no argument here

[@owowowowowowowowwowowo]

Here comes the firestorm

[@MrFirefox]

legend has it irish people seethe to this day

[@blackacidgaming5672]

About as often as brits deny history

[@yomama9538]

Ever heard of Irish Alzheimer"s?

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

This song is sung to a Protestant tune, but I can't remember the name of it.

[@MrFredrikWolf]

I was a bit confused. Read "Black and trans"..

[@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647]

Hello, Hilbert, My cousin recommend you, the English wants to forget the Irish say not a bleeping chance.

[@hamsh-il4ei]

sorry what was that?

[@seanmoran6510]

@@hamsh-il4ei To much cornbread does that to a person

[@barneymagee3285]

The auxiliary division of the RIC was the worlds first mobile anti terrorist force , very effective against the Ira, a treacherous and cowardly British government prevented them from finishing the job.

[@christopheraliaga-kelly6254]

You forgot to mention that Winston Churchill invented the Black & Tans, recruited from former British army Privates and NCOS while the Auxies were recruited from former officers, in order to "Make Ireland Hell for the IRA to operate in!" His words. Cork was burnt down by Auxies, not Black & Tans

[@HereForLaughsAndLearns]

The Irish cower to no man.

[@thomsboys77]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alessandromazzini7026]

Ironic how the british did a lot of shit but they do not care/remember and proceed to judge others

[@thomsboys77]

Same thing applies to majority of countries on this planet

[@jokingosprey666]

They hung young Kevin Barry high a lad of eighteen years, cork city's flames lit up the sky but our brave boys knew no fear, The cork brigade, with hand grenades, in ambush waiting laaay, And the black and tans like lightning ran from the rifles if the IRA

[@GoodmanMIke59]

Jimmy Cagney, and (I believe) Daniel Day-Lewis made movies about this period.

[@Gillemear]

The Black and Tans were often made up of two groups- the Auxiliaries (which mostly operated in Dublin and the other cities) and the B Specials (mostly in rural areas). Both are unified in Irish minds as the "Tans", a word still used as an insult in Ireland today. Also the song "Come out you black and tans" is riddled with satire, especially as the IRA's guerilla tactics meant they rarely if ever fought Crown forces face to face, using mostly ambush tactics. The most famous time they did use what would be considered standard military operations was in the disastrous Battle of the Customs House, Dublin, which happened near the end of the Irish War of Independence (Anglo-Irish War). I remember walking into a class of 15 year old who were playing this song (I was a history teacher at the time). Instead of getting angry at them, I played it bit by bit and analysed the historical reality of the lyrics. Years later, one of those students met me and said it was one of his favourite lessons ever. Put a smile on my face ☺

[@dereinepeterpan5637]

I don´t understand why you would be angry with the kids anyway?

[@Gillemear]

@@dereinepeterpan5637 Well playing what can be seen as pro-sectarian terrorist songs in a secondary school classroom can be seen as subtly supporting their methods, especially if the people involved are not educated in the history of the conflict, is not only dangerous but irresponsible

[@jBread28]

W teacher

[@Gillemear]

@freebeerfordworkers OK first, the attacks on police barracks and personal were legitimate targets of a war of Independence to degrade the crowns ability to rule over a population which had, in the November 1918 elections, returned a mandate for Independence by a vast majority. Second, these auxiliary forces, better known as the Black and Tans, were first deployed to Ireland in January 1920, a full 11 months before Bloody Sunday (21st November 1920). By the events of Bloody Sunday, these forces had already committed the sacking of Balbriggan, Kilkee, Trim, Tubbercurry, Granard, Miltown Malbay, Lahinch and Ennistymon in response to ambushes by IRA forces (which is a legitimate tactic during a guerilla war utilised by British forces in multiple conflicts from the Boer War to World War 2 to the Falkland war to the War on Terror in Afghanistan and Iraq). During Bloody Sunday itself, they were responsible for over 30 deaths, including two boys under 10 years of age, the first casualties of that atrocity. Don't try to tell me that was a fair and appropriate response. A month later they would be responsible for the burning of the city centre of Cork due to the death of a police inspector. That is not to mention the reports of destruction of property, forced evictions, torture, rape and summary executions that are too much to list here. And this by veterans of World War 1 who should have been given psychological help that they needed, not thrown into a asymmetric war zone they were ill trained, ill-equipped and totally unprepared to deal with. Sorry, I find your assertion that they "were not going to take this *** from anyone" to not only be a gross misinterpretation of history but morally repugnant and highly offensive. They should never, ever have been sent to Ireland in the first place!

[@barneymagee3285]

‘ A’ , ‘ B’ , and ‘C’ specials , ( Ulster special constabulary) were never called ‘tans’ , and only operated in the six Ulster counties of Northern Ireland , where they successfully put an end to the Ira terrorist campaign.

[@cymropwyhofficymru1470]

you managed to talk about the IRA and ETA but not their lesser ally the FWA? Caro Evans met and celebrated traditions with both aswell

[@callumbush1]

Ireland for the Irish 🇮🇪

[@Zwei4815]

Michael Griffin was a priest, genius.

[@seanbrown453]

But crucial not winstonnchurchill who was war minister at the time or his cronies in the tory party

[@thefancytiefling]

Joe might be Irish a little bit but he's the RIC Irish XD

[@troyvincent8933]

Hilbert how do you feel about Mr. Biden's work and efficiency as president of the United States?

[@TuckertonRR]

LOLZ

[@jamesmcc178]

you know it

[@lifedecoded9842]

lmao

[@Jono153]

When a plastic paddy becomes president

[@Jono153]

@Martin Cregan cope, seethe, and dilate

[@pattobyo]

a great song indeed