Hitting The Brakes | British AirTours Flight 101

[@ashleygreen4431]

At last an incident I can relate to big time, I was 16 and lived under the shadow of this airports flightpath, remember this so vividly. It was about the most exciting thing that had happened in our area at the time and the local press went crazy reporting it in fine detail for what seemed like months. My dad wasn't happy as it was right next to his golf club and the press and curious sightseers trampled al over the course to get a close up view of it, ruining the greens.

[@antoniohernandez6590]

typical golfer

[@Plqnes]

Wow lol

[@ciprian7243]

I almost feel bad for the plane, being leased back and forth a million times... :D think it spent more time in the paint shop than it did in the air...

[@jduff59]

Maybe it was just a "dog" of a plane that pilots hated to fly. Passed around like the proverbial "hot potato"

[@cjmillsnun]

@@jduff59 Caledonian was a charter airline. Off season much of their fleet would be leased out.

[@suekelley2109]

I was thinking the same thing. Poor plane.

[@christianmaas8934]

Because the outcome was good, and I do mean only, I'm dying laughing at the tug of war match between Caledonian and Worldways Canada. What a rivalry!

[@roderickcampbell2105]

Hi Christian. Exactly what I was thinking. Ah, you take it. No, you take it. Okay, I'll take it. Now, you take it back. Lather, rinse, repeat. The aircraft still looked good even when it was staring at the ground. A bit of extra maintenance and back you go big bird. Fly again.

[@TheFatNumpty]

Me too, they played a kind of commercial tennis with this aircraft, wonder why?

[@shongololo9778]

Both companies were charter operators, British Airtours would have had their busy time during the northern hemisphere summer,business slackened off during the winter so the aircraft would have been loss making ,so it would be leased to the Canadian company for their busy winter period, then leased back to British Airtours for the summer again. This still happens now with UK charter companies

[@WadersIsBack]

@@shongololo9778 I Think they would being oonstantley being sayings 'World ways, GIVE ME THAT L1011 Caldieon GIVE ME THAT THEN AIR ALERGIE SHUT UP GARY AND LARRY IM TAKING Then NO WAY HOSAY Then scrapped in 1999 OOF

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

Ahhh, the venerable Tristar. What a workhorse she was. I was a bit surprised a seasoned Captain with over 10K hours didn’t follow Company protocols in landing prep, even at a “new” (for the crew) airport. Great video, Allec. I had not heard of this, or I don’t remember if I did.

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

@@spryzeNxX • That’s actually a compliment lol

[@armadildo6468]

@@spryzeNxX ok zoomer. 👍. I am guessing you were born after the 2000s by how you insult. The younger generations need better comebacks then just naming a generation 🙄.

[@misterbalsa9676]

@@spryzeNxX Be nice, or your mommy will take back your PS5

[@williammeszaros3382]

L-1011 was a beautiful aircraft. I remember when PSA in San Diego got one. I got to walk around the bird. Totally awesome ! So much better looking than the DC-10, and built much better.

[@747heavyboeing3]

It's a matter of opinion. The DC 10 outsold the Tristar. Why the selected Rolls Royce is beyond me. They were in trouble and delays there allowed the DC 10 to enter the market first. DC/MD 10s outlasted the Tristar by decades. Tristar was first WIDEBODY capable airliner too. If they had selected Pratt and Whitney or GE things would have been different.

[@davidjma7226]

Pilots loved the TriStar - tons of grunt!

[@747heavyboeing3]

@@davidjma7226 Delta guys I know did. Senior guys who could bid one.

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

"I remember when PSA in San Diego got one." ... and soon regretted it. It looked amazing IMO, but was limited to only a couple of flights per day so as to have a reasonable load factor. That didn't mesh well with the frequent flights their cutomers expected. Also, widebody mainteneace was not nearly so straightforward as the 727's and smaller planes their crews were used to. But all worth it to us airliner enthusiasts!, because it beget the only example IIRC of the cargo-level lounge + airstair option. Wish I had gotten to fly on it at least once.

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

@@747heavyboeing3 "The DC 10 outsold the Tristar ... If they had selected Pratt and Whitney or GE things would have been different." Perhaps early on, at least. But what really kept the 10 going over time was the higher weight/long haul version, and Lockheed had no real answer for that. Unlike DAC, they didn't leave an empty space in the original design between the wing main landing gear for an eventual center main landing gear. Thus limited to the weight which could be handled by only eight main tires, they had to reduce the fuselage's length in order to be able to compete at all on range. Not surprisingly, airlines looking for high capacity and trancontinental range favored DAC's offering over Lockheed's, unless they needed (and could afford) a 747 or 747SP solution.

[@hollyclark9976]

He’s the king of air disaster videos, and at least everyone survived. Thank God that he’s here to intrigue and introduce us on plane crashes we never knew about. Remember, he NEVER disappoints. And Thank God For That.

[@NinoNiemanThe1st]

He just rehashes abbreviated Wikipedia air crash articles in Flight Simulator with a bit of text, but I like that at least they're short clips. There are quite a few better channels out there if you're interested.

[@Nobilangelo]

The passengers got a slightly longer tour than they had paid for. Plus a little bonus of excitement and a slide.

[@UncleBooBoo]

“Welcome to British Groundtours”

[@C-Midori]

It’s a relief it slowed out eventually after going off the runway. Based on how the aircraft ended up, it must’ve been a little hard to get out without tripping!

[@alberta1st]

L10 11 one workhorse of a jet even better when the pilot knows how to brake.

[@andrewjohnson2465]

Love the TriStar

[@leakycheese]

I remember this happening when I was a child, I live in Leeds so it was all over the local news. My Father who was quite the aviation enthusiast, drove me up to Leeds Bradford Airport a few days after the incident to have a look at the Tristar sat on the embankment, it was quite the sight see let me tell you. Most weeks we’d drive past the airport and I’d always look for the distinctive fin which was visible from where we passed, wondering if the Tristar was still there. Then one week it was gone… as set out in the video it was repaired and back on it’s way. Thanks for this video Allec, it was very interesting to understand how this memorable, and thankfully without tragedy, mishap happened.

[@stevehunter5505]

I'm familiar with Leeds/Bradford airport having flown in and out of it a few times. A point worth mentioning is that the runway (and there's only 1) in not flat / level. It has a substantial gradient in it which means that you're either going uphill or downhill depending on which way you approach. Maybe this also had a bearing on the incident.

[@easydrive3662]

He was landing runway 14 so the majority of the runway was up hill with a flat ending (thank god) least he would of lost a little more speed.

[@EphemeralProductions]

at least no one died and as far as accidents go, it was pretty minor. That's always a blessing. Still, it sucks that any accidents happen but sometimes they just do.

[@rogerhuber3133]

The 1011 was a beautiful A/C and never looked better than in the BCal livery.

[@BK-qp8zp]

That poor aircraft must surely have suffered an identity crisis before finally being put out of its misery!

[@roderickcampbell2105]

Hi BK. Agreed. It's a bit like being tossed between a couple of lovers. Is it that one is not wanted, or that one is wanted too much? Ah, to be a L1011.

[@moiraatkinson]

A bit like an orphan being fostered by a string of different people but never settling anywhere permanent.

[@asteverino8569]

This whole event seems a sticky wicket. Good reporting of details, Mr Ibay.

[@dannydonuts4219]

Thanks for including the post incident aircraft operational timeline

[@aflacduckquack]

At least everyone lived. Goes to show how adherence to flight parameters is necessary at all times. Thanks, Allec, nice video...

[@Titot182]

I always learn something new every day with you

[@RobloxianX]

waited for this one for such a long time! great to see this incident on the channel!

[@judymotto9851]

Hope everything is well in your life allec.. you da best !😊

[@MrCapi55]

Hahaha! a real "Ping-Pong" between the companies in the last days of this aircraft.

[@audicoes]

Someone realized it too. lol

[@AviationNut]

I miss all the tri jets, they were so beautiful. I wish they would bring back tri jet's but we all know that will never happen. RIP all tri jet's.

[@747heavyboeing3]

FedEx still has 12 MD-10-30s left for not much longer. KC 10 still in service as well as Omega tanker DC 10s. Orbis Flying Eye Hospital program just received another 3.5 million dollars from FedEx as a donation. That ex FedEx Freighter will make it to 50 years!

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

NASA has been looking at airliners with a third engine at the very back, like an L-1011 but having a large-diameter nacelle inlet concentric with the fuselage so as to control its boundary layer for less drag. Looks odd.

[@747heavyboeing3]

@@marcmcreynolds2827 The inflamed engine inlet on MD 11 is much larger than MD/DC 10. The fairing on Tristar reduced noise apparently.

[@65SATisfaction]

In all my decades of flying onboard airliners from Caravelles to Tupolevs, I recall the L-1011 was the smoothest, most luxurious widebody I ever experienced. In this incident, I thought it odd the experienced Captain didn’t intuitively “feel” the high Vref+13 landing speed and preempt it accordingly, but in Allec’s text it states said investigators acknowledge it would’ve been undetectable. Maybe that intuitive “feel” of an aircraft’s performance is compromised at an unfamiliar airport. Thank you Allec.

[@greymark420]

Very interesting incident Allec. Glad everyone survived.

[@herseem]

Oh, wow. I may have actually flown on this plane. I flew to Canada and back in summer of 1987 with Worldways. I seem to recall it had six seats across and a single aisle. I didn't know anything about planes at the time though so had no idea on which plane it was.

[@melissaleoncreolenola]

Question does British Airtours exist still? And Allec I'm gonna be working at the airport in Houston .. I start orientation on Monday

[@TracyH13]

Congrats!

[@egpx]

No, British Airtours changed its name to Caledonian when its parent company British Airways acquired British Caledonian Airways in 1988. Caledonian Airways survived well into the 90s but various mergers and take overs saw it become part of Thomas Cook Airlines which sadly went bust a couple of years ago.

[@MendTheWorld]

Hobby or Intercontinental?

[@karronlaneNOLA]

what's the reason for the plane to be swapped back and forth between two airlines so often?? nice video, thanks.

[@djmech3871]

Probably it was least to do Haj flights to Saudi Arabia?

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

Karron lane • I wondered the same thing! “It’s mine!” “No, it’s mine!” “Take your old plane, then.” “Here, take it back!” “Wahh! I don’t want it!”

[@karronlaneNOLA]

@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 ha. i guess there is some practical reason and i wish someone would spell it out. sure was a lot of swapping back and forth.

[@karronlaneNOLA]

@@djmech3871 dj, i'm not sure what that means. sorry.

[@egpx]

@@karronlaneNOLA it was likely due to the the peak time for the charter airline market in the UK and Canada is different. UK leisure airlines are busy in the summer, Canadian leisure airlines are busy in the winter. There are a few examples of UK airlines leasing their aircraft to Canadian carriers over the winter period.

[@isfet5149]

The L1011 sure was a beautiful aircraft.

[@SilverJ56]

That plane was tough!!

[@annedodgshun7191]

Wonderful they all survived. Thanks for explaining this . Beautifully filmed.

[@Cheyenne07]

Another great video. Just love these! But would like to know what, if anything, happened to the pilots in these videos. Keep up the great work.

[@frankblangeard8865]

The aircraft changed hands at least seven times and had to be repainted each time!

[@NeumsFor9]

That plane really had to wonder why it kept getting repainted the same color. "Here, you take it". "No. You take it." "Wait. I want it back". "Wait. Nevermind!" 🤣🤣🤑🤑 What a racket!

[@barakatshahkhan3176]

I just love the Lockheed 1101(Tristar), have fond nostalgic childhood memories of traveling on-board this magnificent aircraft.

[@kcindc5539]

This certainly is the less catastrophic of the two British Airtours accidents that same year, the other one being the 737-200 that caught fire and (thanks to a series of cataclysmically insane decisions on the part of the flight crew) resulted in significant fatalities. 1985 wasn’t a good year for the company.

[@slidefirst694]

I read about the tragic fire. There is no.mention of crew errors, but many design flaws of the aircraft and poor maintenance of the engine canister were stated.

[@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar]

1985 wasn’t a good year for commercial aviation in general; it was the second-deadliest on record, going back to at least the early 1940s.

[@richardnagarjunasuryaprase2010]

British airtours 28M

[@barefooboy17]

@@slidefirst694 Actually the captain of that flight turned the plane with the burning engine into the wind rather than away from it thus creating more flames which eventually burned into the cabin

[@tommcglone2867]

Yes. Im from Manchester and that disaster still remains in peoples minds. 55 people did not have to die. It was survivable but cabin safety was not what it is now. And cabins are as safe as they are because of British Airtours Flight 28M/328.

[@Mikeyp1054]

Loved British Airtours,good old British holiday airline

[@spiritof6986]

Thanks Alex. Another gem.

[@clarsach29]

Caledonian was Scotland's airline, eventually turning into BCal, but in its heydey flying routes across Europe and Transatlantic (and I think, as it was a charter airline, to the Far East as well).....we do still have our own airline of sorts (Loganair) but it only operates small planes and few international routes....the days of Caledonian and British Calendonian are sadly gone now. British Airtours name will sadly forever be synonymous with the Manchester airport incident which came 3 months after flight 101 in which a plane caught fire on the runway and a large number of passengers died of smoke inhalation....RIP

[@danhaffar]

Thanks for a great video once again! Just funny how such an experienced local crew never had landed at Leeds before?!?

[@psalm2forliberty577]

Lockheed overbuilt the L-1011. Was a flying tank. I was like, "NP that'll buff out: Have 2 / 3 dozers haul it outta the muck, pressure wash the gear, retighten the main gear fasteners. Ready to Fly again !"

[@markoman5267]

That plane was passed around quite a bit.

[@GarrettWorcester]

Passed around like a $10.00 hot potato.

[@GroomLeader]

I really like the bonus of the aircraft history, after they are repaired and returned to service. This Tristar looked like a good flyer.

[@horrortackleharry]

In case you're wondering, all that re-registering and 'leasing' activity in the late 1980s/early 1990s was just an accounting scam. The industry was notorious for it, until the loopholes were closed.

[@georgec4917]

You answered my question

[@karronlaneNOLA]

wow. too bad. thanks for the 411.

[@scoobydooo4390]

Cost a lot in paint though....

[@karronlaneNOLA]

@@scoobydooo4390 right? i'm sure those paint jobs are pricey.

[@daviddunsmore103]

@@karronlaneNOLA Looks like they only repainted the name, but kept the rest of the colour scheme untouched.

[@LeeAirVideos]

I flew on this very aircraft to/from Geneva from Gatwick when she was flying for Caledonian Airways. My only flights in a TriStar which were very pleasurable. The TriStar was a very safe airliner for its time; powered by the famous Rolls Royce RB211 engines.

[@kentbetts]

Reverse thrust? Upon further research .... The pilot selected full flaps late, at around 500 ft. AGL. When the full flaps were selected, the autothrottle increased thrust, which at the the time the plane needed to reduce thrust due to high airspeed. The runway was sloping down from the point of the landing threshold. Which made things worse. The reverse thrust was applied in a significant manner but it was determined that the reverse thrust did not alter the outcome of the landing.

[@kentbetts]

Not a long runway, heavy plane, wet runway, downslope. They needed to come in low and slow, not hot. The plane was unable to land on the runway length due to speed and diminished brakes. If the pilots were familiar with the airport they would have known about the downslope and the actual length, and coming in hot would have more likely gone around.

[@grafhilgenhurst9717]

@@kentbetts Anyone know how long the runway was? Flying a Cessna 172, I don't pay much attention to runway length and slope, but I gather it's crucial in heavier planes.

[@garytanger965]

@@grafhilgenhurst9717 .. Google says 2200 m (7200 ft)......

[@grafhilgenhurst9717]

@@garytanger965 Chicago's Midway is 6500 feet, considered about the least you would want to land an airliner on. Home of many an abrupt landing!

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

@@grafhilgenhurst9717 FYI Orange County CA/SNA is 5700 feet and gets over 100 airliners per day, including a few cargo widebodies. It's usually a dry runway though, plus a reliable headwind, so not much drama.

[@thiswasnoboakingaccident6368]

There were Four Hundred people on board ?! That aircraft must have been nearly SRO.

[@npxmnpxm]

Well, at least the aircraft painters made out pretty well.

[@pops2728]

Another great video Alex, thanks. I wondered what happened to the captain? Was he censured or reprimanded?

[@midgie4410]

Doesn't sound like it since the braking info wasn't on the FDR

[@easydrive3662]

Live local to leeds bradford airport, at 2250metres long the runway at leeds is not the longest so you certainly have to touch down in the touch down zone or else! Been a widebody with 400 passengers on board and apparently plenty of fuel still on board from what i heard this was going to end up bad!

[@FH99]

Afterwards Caledonian and WorldWays Canada decided to use this aircraft in a game of "Pass the Plane."

[@scoobydo446]

Nice video dude

[@donnafromnyc]

Another fine one, Allec. So well presented. I liked L-1011s, EA had a lot of them when they were my client. There was a distinctive hum through the interior on takeoff. Some deal between Caledonian and the Canadian company...I'd bet they were corporately related. Lower casing the initial letter of your names always seems to be hard luck.

[@pedrohicken3884]

That explosion sound effect though! 😂😂

[@Eurofish2010]

Looks like trijets have a curse of two 1s

[@markb1764]

that poor plane did a lot of bouncing around both literally and figuratively

[@roberthagedorn290]

I'm surprised the aircraft could be repaired. The stress on the fuselage from rolling in the grass must have been terrific.

[@northseawolf]

I'm glad everyone survived and the plane was repaired and returned to service too. Its always a sad sight seeing a plane looking forlornly out of its natural environment...much like a grounded ship.

[@arturo468]

Interesting video, but why use Kilometres as a distance measurement when nautical miles is correct?

[@n_warford]

What a life that plane had.

[@thedocnak]

Damn... this aircraft has been around town more than my wife!

[@dsloop3907]

What becomes of the pilots in your stories, do they get punished, fired, etc?

[@peteconrad2077]

In well run airlines, they get retrained.

[@glennpowell3444]

Your channel often exposes that mere human beings as experienced in a career as they are can make a mistake on a bad day. Its impossible to be perfect try as you might and the harder you try the more likely you are to making a cock up.

[@tenpiloto]

And why are you using kilometers? Nautical miles are used for distance in aviation and are based on minutes of latitude.

[@Luizzzzye]

What simulator you use?

[@paullacey2999]

After that plane was repaired,it was passed around like stale biscuits!Surprised Arthur Daley didnt get a punt in it as well.....

[@spiritof6986]

R.I.P old girl. You served well.

[@andrewk2996]

"It's our plane" "No, it's ours" "But we want it!" "Well you can't have it"

[@em1osmurf]

looks like it ended with a long and respectable career. cheers.

[@MorganBrown]

How many airlines can fly this bird without bothering to repaint the tail?

[@melissaleoncreolenola]

Thank God it wasn't a tragic incident...

[@mancuby6679]

Voices in airlines environment say the L1011 was not scrapped but got back to Caledonian, than sold to Wordways Canada in 2003, that came back to Caledonian in 2008, to return to Wordways in 2011 for 3 years and than back to Caledonian, until 2018, when Wordways took it back again. Two months ago it has moved again to Caledonian, but Wordways has started to claim it back….

[@spinynorman887]

I lost track. How many times did Caledonian and Worldways Canada swap this aircraft back and forth? Seventeen?

[@melcocha61]

The "ping pong" king.

[@gusbailey68]

Odd that there was no 'braking action' report. Was the runway grooved at the time of the incident? I know accident review boards start with the PIC and move from there, but something seemed odd.

[@marwinvicente956]

Ano Kaya nangyare Jan sa eroplano scrapped na ba yan

[@mariaelenagonzalez6893]

southern 242 please

[@misterbalsa9676]

No mention of reverse thrust in the investigation? It seems like they should have felt *something* once reverse thrust was applied.

[@davidantcliffe15]

The runway had recently been extended to accommodate heavy aircraft and I'd heard that they landed at the old landing point, thereby negating the extension. Of interest, one passenger was a sports radio reporter returning from a much needed break having had the misfortune to have been commentating on the Bradford City football match on the day of the disastrous fire.

[@easydrive3662]

From what i was told, i believe some of the bradford city football players were actually onboard that flight

[@petuniaskunk2316]

No one is first, the creator is.

[@swannvictor1388]

Thanks, good video and an incident I had forgotten about. A very strange little mishap, isn't it? While that very experienced captain certainly made an error in prepping the craft, what is very puzzling, is the lack of braking after landing: even with the high-speed touchdown (common for all tri-jets - they all have a higher than usual touchdown speed due to their aerodynamics) there was still enough room to come to a halt... and as the video stated, it seems unlikely the captain would Not brake with force...so, was there a braking issue; pads, hydraulics...? All a bit baffling. Thankfully, everyone walked away and the gorgeous bird flew again. Shame she was scrapped.

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

I was a landing gear/braking performance engineer, and I don't get what was going on either. Some information is probably missing, which is common in these KZbin accident videos. The excess speed wasn't inherently a big deal, for example. Don't see it being "hydraulics" either -- there is a backup source which delivers hydraulic pressure to the brakes if the main systems fail. Hydroplaning seems unlikely on a runway which was just wet rather than flooded, unless there was something about its particulars which led to large puddles. Even then, can't really see it.

[@elcastorgrande]

JFK to LHR in 1988 on a 1011. The only plane on which I could actually get some sleep crossing the Atlantic.

[@enzoanimatronic]

Hi

[@bradwatson7324]

My brain don't understand this one so gud.

[@fastfiddler1625]

This is why most airlines these days require you to be fully configured by 1000' above the runway. That means in position as well, not moving the handle right at the last second.

[@matthewcollie6936]

@Allec Joshua Ibay, Do you think you can make my two video suggestions called 1977 Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash and 2020 Calabases, CA helicopter crash A.K.A Kobe Bryant helicopter crash?

[@donaldsalkovick396]

Why the explosion sound?

[@GarrettWorcester]

He uses the same crashing sound effect in most of his videos, if not all. Most of the time, it's not a bad thing and fits the video perfectly.

[@brianmcdonald6519]

I think he uses that sound effect any time the plane does not stop safely. Unfortunately, that seems to be most videos!

[@seanpellegrino2989]

Maybe to simulate roughly what it would sound like when the nose landing gear was breaking off.

[@pedrohicken3884]

Or the suitcases falling out of the lockers. I love the dramatic side of it in cases like this.

[@fecardona]

The most shocking part of the video was the fact that the aircraft was tossed around like a tennis ball back to Caledonian Airways

[@anthonysprovier3988]

hi i like your 101 plane

[@aidanzacharyguzman1676]

Joshua, I actually did not know u are a Filipino. (I saw it in a YT post)

[@austinlawler3739]

Wow that plane got passed around a lot after the crash.

[@richardnagarjunasuryaprase2010]

What about British airtours 28M

[@bullseyes1983]

Ok Caledonian, do you want the freakin airplane or not? I bet they went bankrupt because of livery expenses.

[@vince9119]

Feels like Fast n Furious

[@tanvirahmed539]

The flight number is wrong. It is British Airtours Flight KT 101

[@Hatsunari_Kamado]

This is kinda similar to Scandinavian flight 901...

[@WendyKS93]

Just goes to remind us that pilots, and yes even Captains can and do make mistakes even with all their experience. Also I have to say that I feel kind of sorry for that poor plane constantly being leased out and passed around for years after this incident. It's like no one really wanted it. That poor plane didn't deserve that. LOL!!

[@Aaaronpreset965]

Can pls sriwijaya air flight 182

[@jackspickphone6656]

So let me get this straight. Caledonian acquired the aircraft. Then Worldways Canada. Then Caledonian. Then Worldways Canada. Back to Caledonian. Then Air Algerie. lol...finally back to Caledonian. All in a few years. Wow. Does this often occur? Do airlines trade the same aircraft back and forth like this? This plane got traded more than a hockey player lol

[@aliefabdurrahman3302]

Low cost version of British airways

[@djmech3871]

Packed in like Sardines, 398 Passengers.