SECONDS after takeoff | Air Florida flight 90

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[@alexhoe02]

Aw man I’d I knew you was making this I’d of emailed you a photo both pilots

[@turkeydoctor5546]

Will you tell us the story about the sky king? ➰➿✈️ 👑 He flew the jet and was hilarious about it. 😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqTXiI2PlMqIhcU

[@JasmineTanis]

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[@Sensor-g7z]

Have you considered doing an episode on record breaking how heat waves due to climate change cause turbulence so bad that planes cannot safely fly in it? It's only going to increase. What is the industry doing about it other than canceling flights? ~~~~~ *Climate change is making turbulence worse* *Buckle up for bumpier flights ahead.* . Posted on Jul 22, 2024 9:19 AM EDT . "Extreme turbulence is rare. However these two recent incidents have stoked concern and fear among fliers that dangerously rough flights are becoming more common. Scientific studies do indicate that climate change is increasing the occurrence and intensity of airplane turbulence. Atmospheric shifts triggered by global warming are set to cause trouble for the airline industry, making flights longer and costlier-but experts suggest passengers need not be too worried. Basic precautions can help you stay safe." . www.popsci.com/environment/climate-change-turbulence/

[@KoffinKat]

Wow at that captain. He was deemed "unsatisfactory" when it comes to: 1. Departures 2. Cruise control 3. Approaches 4. Landings Those are literally all phases of a flight, aren't they? What was he good at, then? 🤣 _Edit: this is a great channel, by the way! Having discovered it just recently, I watched a mix of older and newer videos and I must say, it's incredible how much the quality improved_ 👍

[@GreenDotAviation]

That's quite a lot indeed. And thank you! I'm glad you've noticed an improvement in the videos. I'm working hard to make them even better this year!

[@kevinharris5737]

Such a Mickey mouse airline.

[@Dilley_G45]

Taxiing...Climb out(?), initial descent, Shut down

[@u-know-this]

All the dangerous phases

[@noname-wo9yy]

​@@kevinharris5737suprised Disney has not sued them yet

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

One of the few initial survivors, first name Arthur (if I recall correctly), was tangled up in wires and cables, so he asked the first responder - and the bystander who jumped in to help - rescue the others first. He died waiting those moments, bless him. It’s my understanding that bridge was renamed in honor of him. RIP all who perished.

[@MountainCry]

Arland Dean Williams Jr had a floatation device dropped from the helicopter to him, but he passed it along to the other survivors each time it was dropped to him. The bridge was renamed after him, and he received several other posthumous honors too, including an elementary school in his hometown.

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

@@MountainCry • Thank you for setting me straight. He lay down his life for others, the ultimate sacrifice.

[@theaceofspades485]

Amazing story. Will have to look this up.

[@cheetajet320]

They renamed the 14th street bridge after him. I drove over it on Saturday.

[@MrBsbotto]

What a brilliant man, a true hero. Also, how about some love for the bystander who, of his own volition, dove into the freezing water to rescue people. Being submerged in frozen waters is the closest thing to hell that I can conceive, and he dove right in! What a heroic act.

[@kristita_888]

I have always felt so bad for the co-pilot in this situation. His awareness of the aircraft’s performance and the icing issues could have saved so many lives. This is why the importance of CRM cannot be overstated.

[@Tj11813]

CRM?

[@juliemanarin4127]

I completely agree!

[@juliemanarin4127]

@@Tj11813 crew resource management

[@gsk5161]

@@Tj11813 basically not letting one man bully the other two.

[@ZeroSOFInfinity]

​@@gsk5161yeah, basically the same thing also happened during the Tenerife disaster. Captain of KLM "override" the other crew members because he was hell bent on leaving. Instead he caused the deadliest air disaster of all time.

[@EpicJoshua314]

The rescue of the survivors of this crash shows great heroism: Roger Olian volunteered to enter the water with a long tether attached to him to rescue the survivors and when he reached them the helicopter arrived so he was pulled back, Lenny Skutnik jumped from the bridge into the water to save Priscilla Tilrado who would have drowned if not for his actions, helicopter pilot Don Usher flew his chopper so close to the water that at some points a skid entered the water.

[@publicmail2]

The most amazing act of heroism that I've heard is that of Lenny Skutnik. He was presented a well deserved award from President Regan.

[@optician53]

@@publicmail2 Agreed ... I couldn't believe what I was seeing at first.

[@mile1920]

agreed, i watched lenny skutnik live, i was yelling at my tv SAVE HER and lenny jumped in, best hero ever!!

[@ArtCurator2020]

What none of you seem to realize is that all that "Heroism" would've been unnecessary had airlines not been SO Greedy that they insisted on taking off in blizzard conditions. All the Heroism in the World doesn't compensate for Corporate Greed. The idea that Any Plane Anywhere would try to take off in these conditions is Mentally Ill and it's only BS Media Propaganda that keeps common people blind to this.

[@robincharles7057]

I watched a really good video on the rescue and there were some really brave people that day. Arland D. Williams Jr. was a passenger that showed a lot of heroism as well. He survived the initial crash but drowned before they could rescue him because he allowed the other survivors to be saved first. One of the bridges ended up being renamed after him.

[@m.streicher8286]

The only air crash channel I still consistently watch. It never feels like you're wasting time with tangential information.

[@commerce-usa]

Not the only one for me, but certainly among the better ones here on KZbin.

[@m.streicher8286]

@@commerce-usa There are others who are really good. Attribute my comment to ACI burnout.

[@EpicJoshua314]

@@m.streicher8286 Yeah, Green Dot's American 1572 episode was 1,000 times better than the Mayday/ACI episode. The ACI episode also should be used how not to conduct an investigation where the plane is intact and everybody onboard survived.

[@Dancingonthesun]

He also has the best line delivery

[@exiletsj2570]

Mentour's series is good for the aviation knowledge and a pilots perspective. This channel puts on a more entertaining show though, better use of theatre, drama and cinematics etc.

[@robbflynn4325]

So so sad, the final exchange between the pilots is chilling.

[@toonieven]

Indeed, literally staring death in the face as it rapidly closes in on you... I find these cockpit voice recordings heartbreaking.

[@MrMississippiMan]

Imagine someone today, some young person "dude we are going down" "yeah no sh!t" lol

[@classonbread5757]

Not the best word you could've used there

[@jb894]

Pun intended?

[@DanielSilva-gc4xz]

Not only the final exchange. Every exchange in this flight was so chilly it froze the water in the wings.

[@mycroftsanchez901]

The Air Traffic Controller has to share some of the blame for allowing a plane to land on a runway when another is taking off.

[@bobbartlett3073]

You’re exactly right!

[@StuartRyan-yi5ok]

It boggles the mind. The ATC knows that any take off, even in good flying weather, may be aborted by the pilot. He has to allow for this and let nothing comprise it. He comprised it by letting the other plane land.

[@rilmar2137]

So many mistakes by the crew here... One might think they'd have been especially cautious in conditions they were not accustomed to.

[@westnblu]

not the co pilot . He didn't want to go ahead with the take off but in the period this accident occurred the pilot has the last word.

[@VGF80]

@@westnblu You mean the 'pilot in command' had the last word?

[@gosborg]

Or perhaps it was stress caused by the adverse weather, delays etc. that distracted them, rushed them and overwhelmed them.

[@johnoneill5661]

The pilot should not have been a pilot. If you keep failing routine tests that show your ability or in his case lack of ability to safely perform your job, then it should have been sorry but you are not up to standard goodbye. In an emergency you don’t get the chance to fail and do it again at a later date and get it right 😡

[@fionalorimer4127]

I wouldn’t feel comfortable as a passenger having a captain in charge of the plane, with a recent suspension, and provided various attempts by the airline to get him back in the cockpit. Air Florida should have had tighter requirements for their pilots.

[@AJBa83]

Seems like they were very nervous about their situation, and dealt with their apprehension by ignoring it as much as possible. Great for staying calm. Not so great when you really need to be paying attention.

[@freedomfighter5222]

Yes! Like a famous american author wrote: - You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality ! [ Ayn Rand ]

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Far better to hide/vent your stress through humor and laughs... You've got to be quick thinking to make a joke, and it doesn't have to be a great joke... Laughing helps exude stress-energy, too... Some folks don't think you can take anything seriously, but if you ever wondered why certain "professionals" have a weird sense of humor that might border (or frankly, dive right into) the inappropriate, now you can understand why and how that is... You don't ignore the Devil. You stare him RIGHT in the eye, and then you SPIT... ;o)

[@cheetajet320]

The Captain came from Air Sunshine which was a mom and pop airline in Southern Florida. So did the surviving flight attendant. I was 12 years-old and watched the rescue live from my home in State College, Pa. We had the same snowstorm hitting. It was terrible and we got let out of school early. I'll never forget that crash! I didn't even know Florida had an airline! Now I'm 53 and a flight attendant who's had a great long career. Always think about Palm 90 on Winter days.

[@georgenorris2657]

I don´t understand how they can be so anxious about ice and yet not put on the de-icing! It´s bonkers!

[@Frip36]

Yeah, the chief officer was the only smart pilot on board and he screwed that up royally too.

[@mattoc7567]

My passion for aviation was turbo charged by Channel 4's Black Box Documentaries back in the late 90's. It was like nothing I had seen before...until now. The depth of psychological, technical and scientific analysis, combined with superb narration in this channel, is unequaled anywhere.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you so much! Delighted that this re-sparked your interest in aviation :)

[@enigmadrath1780]

It's disheartening to hear the first officer begin to doubt his intuition when thr captain waved off his concerns. Despite his inexperience in this type of weather, he could tell something was wrong but trusted the seniority of his captain.

[@Frip36]

Especially sucks that F.O. Used to fly F-15s and still managed to crash this airliner because he let the captain break the rules. He's a much better pilot than Larry so he should have stuck to his guns. Freaking Larry pulling his juvenile MacGyver stunts on the runway. There's a REASON for rules LARRY. The rules are smarter than you. The rules encapsule many important things that you don't have a clue about.

[@bwktlcn]

A coworker’s dad was on the bridge, stuck in traffic. She said it haunted him for the rest of his life. He and other people ran toward the cars that had been hit, and there was just nothing to be done for 4 of the people. The only good thing about it was they got Flight 90 as high as they did. Just a little lower, and the engines would have hit the bridge, ruptured the fuel tanks, and the bridge would have been a fireball and nobody on the plane or bridge would have survived. The bridge might have even went down. My coworker was a little kid when this happened -he just knew his dad would never let them go to Vail for skiing, or fly down to Disneyworld in the winter. Finally, he sat my future coworker down and explained why they would never fly in snowy weather unless it was an emergency. He had severe PTSD, and fought panic attacks when he had to cross the bridge in bad winter weather. I’m sure he wasn’t the only one.

[@richardcranium3579]

Amtrak

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

@@richardcranium3579Amtrak rules! I didn’t want to fly to Washington state from SoCal and got a sleeper berth for the family. That was an amazing travel experience

[@neatstuff1988]

As a long time major airline pilot I'm safe to say that this channel is excellent. You took this down to its component parts and left nothing unclear. Going even past that you took it to a personal level like mistakes that the captain was making on account of poor performance. Honestly, I almost expected to hear what they had for lunch.... Well done

[@TheUrantia001]

How to explain such gross negligence from supposed high paid pro's ?...really stunned .something as simple as a de-icer button..pretty strange..poor situational awareness.

[@thefloralgoddess9084]

A post script to this event: a few days after this crash, I was on 395 to go over the 14th st bridge. It's always slow, but it was crawling. Once I was about 3/4 over the bridge I saw why...the tail end of the aircraft, last few rows on seats included facing me, had been towed to the wharf. I've never forgotten this. Just awful and heartbreaking. RIP to all the victims.

[@ewyss9206]

You mean to say, the bodies of those who had perished were still strapped to their seats for passers-by to see? What horror!

[@cheetajet320]

​@@ewyss9206 Empty seats 💺 No one would leave bodies for all to see. What's wrong with you?

[@thefloralgoddess9084]

No. Just seats. That was bad enough.

[@Nikolai_Gogolllll]

@@thefloralgoddess9084I know I’m literally a a year late but I hope you’re doing well, and that had to have been so scary, heart goes out to you and everyone who died that day ❤

[@nysockexchange2204]

Appreciate how you spent 99% of the time discussing the mistakes made by the pilots and not on the rescue efforts themselves which have been covered ad nauseam on other programs.

[@brettwasserman1781]

I flew out of DCA to LGA on the same day as this crash. I was on an Eastern Airlines 727 shuttle that was two takeoffs before this one. It was snowing heavily and I remember it well.

[@juliemanarin4127]

Omg...wow!

[@Hawther]

Did they say anything on the plane or did you find out much later after you'd arrived at your destination on the evening news/paper?

[@Claude1100]

Most of us are familiar with this crash, but you have brought new light to bear, and engaged us in a way that no other aviation channel is able too.. many thanks.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@b.t.356]

I can't believe it's already been almost 41 years since the disaster. I can't imagine the terror that the people on the plane and on the bridge went through.

[@pissant145]

Again, an accident I have heard several times before, but Green Dot provided me with TWO new pieces: the previous failures of the flight crew and the landing plane behind them. I don't know how you do it, Green Dot, and I think you are amazing!!

[@dronepro7316]

This channel has become a mainstay of my late night bedtime routine. Every night I watch one episode before going to sleep. I’m dreading the day when I’ve watched all the episodes♥️

[@kneel1]

great job as usual. Horrifying. I forgot about the part they had a jet landing right behind them in low visibility thats nuts!!

[@connieh.4212]

That’s true, I hope the investigation pointed that out too.

[@j.m.5942]

Your videos are always top notch. Unlike some channels its not simply a readout of the report, but rather an interesting analysis based on it. One thing I would suggest, dont say in the title whether the plane crashed, kills the suspense if you know the outcome before watching it.

[@darkko1969]

I absolutely agree. No 'spoiler alerts'.

[@meadahagain]

I agree, but didn’t want to come off the wrong way. You said it perfectly. 👍🏽

[@timorieseler276]

I've come to an age where I realized that when people risk their lifes by doing something very stupid, they are usually under the false impression of total control and not aware that they are doing exactly this...

[@barbaramonaco105]

Was surprised to learn something new about this notorious crash. Until now had no idea that a landing plane was bearing down on the Florida Air jet as it attempted to depart. Great detail, great job, Green Dot.

[@juliemanarin4127]

That was bad on ATCs part!

[@MediatorLLC]

I read that DCA ptesently has only one active runway for takeoffs and landings.

[@theHDRflightdeck]

How far we've come...Standing on the shoulders of all those who perished, it's our duty to avoid the mistakes of the past.

[@starguy2718]

Safety rules are written in blood.

[@mofomartianp]

@@starguy2718 So are peace treaties.

[@Shadowwand]

Regulations are written in blood. Which is partly why I hate this idea that opening up regulations are ever a good thing.

[@NoSaysJo]

​@@mofomartianplmao cringe

[@Yosetime]

It's so creepy and sad to hear the cockpit recordings after the fact. To know they are going to go down and they are completely unaware until the very end. I've watched the episode of Mayday on this crash. The rescue efforts after the plane hit the water was nothing short of miraculous. Anyone who hasn't seen it should do so. There is excellent re-creation footage and real accident footage as well. There were many hero's that day. The survivors went through hell to get out of that icy water. It's heartstopping.

[@wraynephew6838]

They were aware, it was just too late. I am confident in the last moment the captain realized that his First officer was right.

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

@@wraynephew6838 FO realized he had been right too. You can hear the disappointment in his voice when he says "we're going down" like that poor dude was defeated. Probably kicked himself for not insisting that something was wrong, tho it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

[@wraynephew6838]

@@catscanhavelittleasalami it is extremely sad

[@patrickm.4754]

His narration down to the opening theme really keeps me coming back for more. Keep up the good work!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you're enjoying them, more on the way! 🙏

[@greymark420]

"Hearing without listening", very true indeed.

[@abathens]

I was 12 and at home on a snow day in Georgia when this happened. I was glued to the TV watching the news reports with my dad.

[@ifeanyi212]

Such a sad story here, but again you tell it in the best way I've seen on KZbin or TV. I thought the mix of actual audio was a really effective aspect aswell.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

[@paulkita]

This is one of my favourite channels. Really hoping it "takes off"!

[@PepekBezlepek]

AND stays in the air, too 😆

[@chrisp2509]

@@PepekBezlepek 😂😂

[@gorillaau]

​@@PepekBezlepek°Don't sink"

[@Maggie-tr2kd]

I thought I was familiar with the details of this accident but I learned so many new facts on your video. Quite an excellent analysis. You have a great voice that is quite pleasant to listen to. I so appreciate it that you don't play music too loud in the background while you are speaking.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you very much for the kind words :)

[@Lousy_Bastard]

I agree. 👍

[@theaceofspades485]

An earlier comment forced me to search this passenger up. *Arland D. Williams Jr.* wiki: After the crash on the bridge, the plane then continued forward and plunged into the freezing Potomac River. Soon only the tail section which had broken off remained afloat. Only 6 of the airliner's 79 occupants (74 passengers and 5 crew members) survived the initial crash and were able to escape the sinking plane in the middle of the ice-choked river. *One of six people to initially survive the crash, he helped the other five escape the sinking plane before he himself drowned.* - This damn there brought a tear to my eye. Legendary.

[@Frip36]

"One of six people to initially survive the crash, he helped the other five escape the sinking plane before he himself drowned." His wife: "What about me? I'm not chopped liver you know."

[@OFilellinas]

I'm not normally into aviation at all but your videos are so captivating that I watched them all with great interest.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Love to hear it, thank you!

[@mrkipling2201]

Speaking without thinking, and hearing without listening. That's a great way to sum up the captain especially.

[@fecardona]

The captain on this flight behaves exactly like my boss

[@GodsIsrael]

I know a few like that too🙉😰

[@Petra44YT]

All the worst to your boss, then.

[@CrackHeadHuntersDopeman]

It's because you all call them "boss." 🤷🏻

[@isbestlizard]

Rules are written in blood and this pilot was like 'lol stupid rule it's my plane and i want to reverse thrust it back so i will'

[@micheleshively8557]

Love this channel ❤️ My Mama and I watched this harrowing tale on TV live, I'll never forget it. Haunting

[@nonamesplease6288]

I lived in the DC area when this happened. I was a kid and schools were closed due to the heavy snow. I spent most of the day playing outside in the deep snow. My dad commuted to DC, but his commute took him out of the eastern side of the city, so he didn't see the crash or the aftermath. The government closed its offices early due to the weather and all of the government employees were on the road trying to get home. It's amazing more people weren't killed on the 14th Street Bridge. He heard about the crash on the car radio and rushed to the TV when he got home to see what happened. We were treated to live footage of survivors of the crash floating in the icy Potomac and the often heroic efforts to rescue them before it was too late. The image of a Park Police helicopter hovering close to the water with the crew standing on the skids trying to pluck freezing people from the water because they were too weak to hang on themselves will never be effaced from my memory. Those were tragic days for Washingtonians who at the time weren't used to such tragedies.

[@antonferreira483]

What a masterful storyteller. This is the very cream of the air disaster genre.

[@GreenDotAviation]

How kind! Glad you're enjoying the videos :)

[@voyaristika5673]

Does anyone know if this crash had a lot to do with the "captain always has the last word" rule? How awful for the first officer to have to just accept that the take off wouldn't be aborted when he knew it should. Also, I always wonder how survivors are affected forever by these horrible events. We never hear much about that.

[@lisajeter9511]

It all came down to the de icing!

[@GameAlicornLuna]

I live in Cleveland and fly out of Hopkins all the time. We get legendary winters here so they really take de-icing seriously.

[@bethfrench9064]

My husband was the last car allowed across the southbound span of the 14th Street Bridge that day. Even though I’d been waiting in one of the bus tunnels at the Pentagon, I had no idea what was happening. It was snowing hard enough to muffle the sounds of the Arlington fire trucks that responded to the crash. By the time my husband reached the Pentagon, I’d been waiting in the tunnel for 5 hours.

[@TheLfamily24]

That “we’re going down Larry” brings a tear to my eye seriously.

[@commerce-usa]

So preventable under current rules. Even though tragic, so much gets learned from every aircraft crash that makes aviation safer. God rest the souls who perished and bless the government worker who risked his own life to save several of the survivors by plunging into the freezing waters of the Potomac river that day.

[@Jabarri74]

Probably also preventable under the rules back then too. Committed multiple acts of unsafe/ unprofessional action against company policy. For a final note taking off with dodgy EPR's sounds like an easy way to a big hot flaming mess, especially as the engines showed poor performance at the correct EPR setting.

[@heftigman205]

Hello from Cork. Brilliant channel. I have binge watched all of your videos over the last 3 days. Keep up the great work.

[@TowardExistence]

Every video on this channel is a masterpiece. I hope you have a successful 2023 with lots of new subscribers and Patreon supporters and keep bringing quality content to us!

[@thebadgerpilot]

Another fantastically detailed episode! I’ve seen this on TV and they only mention using the plane in front and missing the ice switch. No mention of the reverse thrust that I remember

[@sursumcorda4164]

Discovered the channel a few days ago and now binging avidly. Great quality of content, narrative, and editing. Only thing now is I have the weird feeling of having escaped a grim fate by luck each time I was a passenger on a plane 😅

[@michaelmitchell9612]

All the pilots I flew with in my 26 yr's of military aviation maintenance & flight status I'm glad each of them always put the safety of the crew & aircraft first, (leaving nothing to chance). While the pilots didn’t have a lot of flight time in cold weather how could they forget their training, ICING should be foremost on any flight crews mind flying in these conditions. Sorry for this crew & the passengers. Thank you for another sad but detailed and thorough video. Safe flight & safe new year!

[@PRH123]

It wasnt called Reagan airport at the time, it was called National Airport. I remember coming home (school was cancelled because of the snow)and watching the helicopter rescue attempts on live tv.

[@richardneilan2392]

I remember this day so well. I was a senior in high school just outside of D.C. Although the weather was terrible, I insisted on going to my part-time job a few miles from home. After a quick stop at Roy Rogers for some food, my car wouldn't start. Me and the friend who was with me decided to walk the rest of the way. After trudging through the heavy snow for over an hour, we finally arrived at work. As soon as we walked in, co-workers told us that a plane had just crashed into the 14th Street Bridge. In the absence of a television, we listened to reports of the disaster on the radio. As I recall, the heavy snowfall continued into the night. In the days that followed I remember hearing that a radio personality (Howard Stern, perhaps?) made an on-air call to the Air Florida reservations line and asked, "How much is a ticket from D.C. to the 14th Street Bridge?" Heartless.

[@simont1108]

Well presented sir. Even with my limited knowledge of aviation, I think the omission of engine de-icer deployment was the most critical. Having operated many machines with important information displays, in times of waiting you always scan all your settings and readouts to offset the "redundant" or oncoming "boredom" feeling. Most of the time I have done this "solo" so with someone else with you conversation would probably distract from that. Even with the ice on the wings etc. if they had taken off at correct speed to give ample lift the pilots would have had a much greater chance of staying airborne with compensatory actions.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Absolutely, the omission of the engine anti-ice was crucial - without it, the accident would not have occurred.

[@simont1108]

@@GreenDotAviation Thanks for the reply. we concur. Keep up the good work.

[@frankmiller95]

Like almost all similar disaster stories, this brings to mind a favorite quote l've had reason to wince about every time it comes to mind, in my own case, as a retired retired ship's officer and boat captain. "The word 'experienced' often refers to someone who's gotten away with doing the wrong thing more frequently than you have."

[@gosborg]

Very detailed and fascinating explanation of how the ice formed and accumulated on the wings. I always learn something new on this channel, even when it relates to a well known accident such as this.

[@GreenDotAviation]

I’m glad! More videos on the way 🙏🏼

[@gosborg]

@@GreenDotAviation By all means, keep ‘em coming. I really appreciate your coverage and analysis of both the physical/technical factors and the human/psychological aspects that blend together to cause these incidents.

[@CaptainSmashProductions]

Dude the formatting on this channel is outstanding! Keep up the amazing work!

[@davidpawson7393]

My father boarded this flight but realized he had left an envelope with the paper he wrote in a cab. I was sledding that day and came home to the phone ringing as fast as you could hang up and because of the high phone traffic many people couldn't get through Ike my father until that evening. Nobody told my sister or myself anything and wouldn't let us turn the TV on. The only other time I had the feeling I had was the day he explained what cancer was and that he had it. So many heros that day and I don't know why I'm crying from writing this when our family didn't suffer like many others. RIP

[@zedfourme5085]

Of all the things that didn't happen this is tops

[@chrisclermont456]

Your family was spared.

[@kc8ufv]

Survivor guilt is real. You know how close he came. While it is definitely different than those who were actually on the plane, you know he was originally supposed to be there, but some circumstances occured to keep him off.

[@anjou6497]

You did suffer, it was such a profound shock to you how close you came to losing your Dad. 👍💕

[@nancysherburne7445]

@@kc8ufv I'm not sure how well my reply will be received but your mention that David's father was supposed to be on the plane reminded me of when Buddy Holly's plane crashed. Waylon Jennings was supposed to be on the plane but he swapped his seat for Richardson, better known as the Big Bopper who died in the crash with Buddy, Ritchie Valens, and the pilot, Roger Peterson. I can't imagine how guilty Jennings must have felt and I can't imagine how very relieved David's father felt at being spared a good possibility he would not have survived had he boarded that plane. Thank you for sharing such a feel-good memory.

[@johnblecker4206]

Parts of this were live on NY tv and the best part was when Lenny Skutnik jumps in and saves the lady about to drown and goes back to his car and drives home.

[@karlbark]

I flew with my stepdad across Iceland in a B-727 during Christmas 🎄 in 1982. -There was a snowstorm, but people had to get home (just before Christmas eve)! That's why the Boeing was used instead of the Fokker F-27 Friendship. It was an astounding experience ! (And I learned all about ILS coming in to AEY / Akureyri on the Boeing-727 that Christmas) 😁 Cheers from Iceland 🇮🇸 everybody !

[@karlbark]

Just to be clear; I do in NO WAY mean to be irreverent in as far as this tragic accident goes. -I have seen much too many documentaries & films about (this) for that to happen. I just thought about this (really amazing) happening in my life, and wanted to try to share it, -if even just a tiny bit of it... My best to all of you: Karl...from Iceland 🇮🇸

[@anthonycasamassima4739]

I need the score to these videos. It’s sooooo relaxing and at the same time inviting and mysterious.

[@ljm.jft9722]

My favourite channel love your videos✈️

[@hubeb69]

"We're going down, Larry" Might be the saddest last words I have ever heard

[@OCSmoke8]

Another excellent video, Alaskan airlines flight 261 would be a great one to cover. Respect from Limerick!

[@goldplate3498]

I visited DC during the winter and went to that bridge. Still gives me chills.

[@Truthseeker4449]

Wow so many details I've never heard before, such as a plane landing on the runway as they were still on the take off roll. Splendid job.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you learned something new from this vid!

[@kristita_888]

As many times as I have learned about this accident, I never knew there was a landing aircraft on the runway, either! That controller really added fuel to this fire.

[@jacquesg2465]

@@GreenDotAviation I did learn too

[@danielbroadbridge886]

Yep, I don't remember ACI mentioning that!

[@cflyin8]

I hope the controller got some retraining too. Two aircraft on one runway!? With modern TCAS, the crew of the landing plane would have been forced to execute a go around per most airline SOPs. Here, they may not have known Air Florida was there. All they knew was they had a landing clearance and AF had been cleared for takeoff and should be airborne.

[@Matticitt]

The sheer amount of mistakes by the captain is unbelievable. It's like they did everything to cause that crash.

[@puthenveetilnoel]

The flight attendant enjoying seeing the snowy weather is such a sad detail. Great video as usual.

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

Good to have all this detail, not even knowing it to be the infamous flight.

[@mutegamingstuff9120]

This now makes me thanful that, when I was leaving from fukuoka to seoul in January 2021, we waited an extra 30 minutes before leaving due to snow accumulation. When you don't understand it it's just annoying but long delays are usually made with your safety in mind.

[@davidhutchinson5233]

I remember this when it happened. I was just a teenager then but it was tough watching the rescues. That's when I saw heroism in real time as it happened. I remember being blown away at those men jumping into ice cold water to rescue passengers.

[@williamglaser6577]

I had heard this accident presented on other channels. You give a much more detailed account. This allows a deeper understanding of events. Thanks very much.

[@aproudamerican2692]

*🕊Rest In Peace🕊* to all those that had to loose their lives to make our flying experiences so much safer. *You did not die in vain.*

[@jocu475]

Lose*

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

I’ve been on a binge spree with your channel. I don’t know how I got here but your production value kept me here: not a pilot but I appreciate your coverage

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

The inadequate de-icing procedure aside, Flight 90 was the only one to crash that day. And, the only thing that would solve the idiocy of the flight crew, WAS the Feds.

[@annabelle9063]

I always used to watch air crash investigations (I think that’s it) as a kid with my dad. I love the show but I’m already afraid of flying and every time I got on a plane I would instantly remember the really realistic way they would show the crashes, so I avoid it at all costs. This is just as interesting but doesn’t give me anxiety lol thank you! Just found your channel a week ago !

[@zebop917]

Hardly seems possible that this was 40 years ago. I remember some of the news coverage like it was yesterday.

[@smartiee74]

I've seen different versions of this crash but this version still had me in suspense and fully engaged as though it was the first time I was hearing the story. R.I.P to all who perished....

[@rixxroxxk1620]

I remember this very distinctly. Having lived in Baltimore during that snowstorm, this was huge news. Many do not remember but at the same exact time, the DC Metro had a crash at Union station if I recall correctly. This is why response was delayed. Can’t believe it’s been so long.

[@deborahparrish2201]

Right!!! I had missed the train that crashed and was highly upset (a little while). Eight died in that crash.

[@terryroth428]

I will never forget this day. I was leaving Arlington driving across the 14th St. bridge heading to DC. The weather was horrible, heavy snow wind and poor visability. I remember as I was driving across the bridge I noticed a commercial jet aircraft (AirFlorida 90) flying, approaching the bridge following a path above the Potomac River. I remember thinking, "that plane is flying too low" as it approached the bridge as I was continuing to drive across the bridge. I had just gotten across the bridge about to enter DC when the plane hit the bridge. Then listening to the radio that it had crashed into the bridge just moments after I had gotten across the bridge. Unbelievable, I have never been so close to a disaster as this event.

[@steve3291]

This is what happens when familiarity breeds complacency. The pilots should have been extra vigilant because they were operating in unfamiliar weather conditions, but they didn't. Not sure of the regulations at the time, but the crew were not conforming to current 'sterile cockpit' conditions.

[@oldmountainmarineandmetals9736]

I lived in Southern Md where I was born and raised about 40 miles as the crow flies from there and remember exactly what I was doing at the time of the crash.

[@Mike12522]

In 1983, the helicopter pilot, Don Usher, and his aide, were awarded the Polaris Air Award. This is the world's highest, and rarest civil aviation award. They risked their lives making 3 or 4 return trips to the crash site, under terrible flying conditions, saving several lives.

[@chucheeness7817]

I love how the cases in this channel are re-enacted in a simulation. It illustrates a lot of circumstances and nuances in specific detail

[@AZ0986688]

I remember the first documentary I saw about this crash as a little kid. I started crying when the narrator said that one lady had been blinded by jet fuel. I thought she was permanently blinded. And years later I was so happy to hear that it was only temporary blinding.:)😊

[@Dan-oj4iq]

My very first flight ever was on a DC3 in April of 1950. Flight from New York to Miami. To this day I'm still not sure how it got there.

[@Sashazur]

The vast majority of flights, even back then, got to their destinations without incident. Was there anything unusual about your flight, like bad weather or maintenance problems?

[@Dan-oj4iq]

@@Sashazur Because it was 1950 the whole thing was unusual. Especially for a ten year old kid. You'd have to have flown in a DC3 to even begin to understand the differences in planes of today. I did have to use the barf bag supplied in the back of the seat in front of you. Flew back home in a DC7 which was like a Rolls Royce compared to the Chevy pickup truck of the DC3.

[@a_life_of_aviation]

@@Dan-oj4iq and now we use rolls Royce engines in a lot of planes.

[@djaneczko4]

Ah, the Potomac crash. Too many mistakes. Incredible pilot of that helicopter!

[@t-banan]

By far the best aviation channel, please make 40+ minute videos!

[@avishjha4030]

I agree! Would love to see in depth versions!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you so much ❤️ I'm aiming to expand my team this year so that I can make more in-depth videos.

[@mrluckyuncle]

As in your other videos you include details I have not heard elsewhere. Good job!

[@augustusplays7896]

Because he makes them up lol have you seen the Malaysian airlines video? Apparently he knows when they even took a deep breathe

[@nicholasbutler153]

"Deficient in departures, cruise, approaches and landings" So deficient in literally everything.

[@LightOfZeon]

Cautionary tale us right. Working for any airline, you'll hear about this one multiple times a year during whatever winter recurrent training you do.

[@Kreege]

A phenom 300 crashed shortly after takeoff at the airport I work at on Jan 2nd of this year, killing one of the pilots(who was also the owner of the plane). The weather was miserable that day. The cause hasn't been announced by the NTSB yet, but there is a good chance it was due to similar icing conditions.

[@jasonpauljones7295]

Good day Green Dot Aviation. Your narration is on point and knowledgeable. The best aircraft videos on KZbin.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Much appreciated! ❤️

[@chairlesnicol672]

JASON PAUL JONES Ok it's not a "trust" lever it's a "THRUST" ONE It's not a treht but a "threat"! So for narration pronunciation I could only give u a "tree"" out of 10 !

[@jaydubb71]

1. In 1982, it was Washington National Airport. 2. It's pronounced "puh-tow-mick" river. I'm originally from DC and still live in the area. This was a really bad disaster. My grandmother literally just crossed the 14th street seconds before this plane crashed on the bridge.

[@alexroselle]

It’s still Washington National Airport to me, I don’t recognize Reagan except in infamy

[@teodelfuego]

I’m only a few minutes in and I have to note how good the background music is. Narrators voice is good too

[@supz26]

Thank you for explaining so well what happened with this crash , I remember once sitting in an aircraft in one of our Canadian airports in winter , it was a snowy evening we could see from our little windows the plane getting de-iced especially the wings , the technology nowadays are way more advanced and also our Canadian pilots have a lot of expertise flying in winter conditions, we only flew out when it was considered safe

[@apackwestbound5946]

Being Canadian doesn't give Canadian operated aircraft, the crews or passengers magic pixy dust. Check out this accident: Air Ontario flight 1363, 10 March 1989 in Dryden Ontario. That Canadian accident occurred 7 years AFTER Air Florida. I have much respect for Canadian pilots as I have been crewed with them, have worked under them and among them. "Technology nowadays" in and of itself, alone, will not keep operators accident free. Safely operating in those kind of harsh winter conditions requires the whole team to function at a high level. The "whole team" begins with management understanding the dangers well enough to invest in the operation (de-icing equipment, then necessary types of de-icing fluid, staffing and training that staff on all aspects of the winter de-icing program), and it requires the crew to be experts in the process. That Air Florida crew was not. The Captain ignorant and negligent. His shortcomings cost him his life. He was among the very first to arrive at the scene of the accident. The First Officer knew "something" was wrong but was unable (on that day on that flight) to put together the performance necessary to save himself, his crew and passengers as the Captain went from one blunder on to the next. I've spent 27 years flying for an airline, I have flown out of Washington National (KDCA) and regularly operate to the far north just outside of the Arctic Circle. Winter operations in those conditions are demanding. Piloting aircraft in a high risk/threat and evolving environment is complicated. With the command position also comes responsibility. The flight operations team simply MUST get it right; every day, every flight! Being Canadian, from the U.S.A or whatever the other "special" nationality is will not make us immune from doing something stupid, not correctly assessing the dangers or bending aluminum.

[@SamM-gl9zc]

After watching So many of these videos, by far the scariest part of flying is not the machines, but the people in charge of them. Whether it's an Alaska airlines mechanic failing to grease just one nut, or a pilot holding his stick back all the way down from 36,000ft, while in a stall, and never realizing that he's the reason they slam into the ocean... may we all fly with competent pilots!

[@jrhartley6742]

Thought I understood the full story till now, never hearing of the captains chequered history. Sadly, makes sense now given the FO wanting to abort take off. Great production as usual. GD is my one and only Patreon subscription

[@GreenDotAviation]

I'm glad you learned something new, and thank you so much for being a Patron! ❤️