Hitting The (Sapphire) Rapids With The ASRock W790

[@julianfiacconi709]

I’m of the belief that the new W2400 and W3400 series is HEDT no question, mainly due to having unlocked processors within its lineup. Scalable Xeons today and in past are not unlocked. This new Xeon lineup has convinced me to retire my X299 system with the i9-10980xe, it has served me well. To think that I have been researching and price shopping to put together a Xeon W3300 (icelake) series workstation because my X299 was not keeping up with my new RTX ada4500 GPU (previously using an RTX a4000). The price for a Supermicro lga4189 mb workstation system was not far off an entry level W2400 system with this reviewed Asrock W790 motherboard. This review came at a most fortuitous time, and thanks Intel for this long awaited HEDT line of processors.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Feels pretty weird to get “overclocked” RDIMMs before ECC UDIMMs. And if any memory manufacturers read this: Please release 48 GB DDR5 ECC UDIMMs!

[@themice42]

12:40 Wendel soldering his own DIMMs .... huh .... dude never ceases to smack my gob :D

[@BBWahoo]

If others weren't gonna do it, he was gonna do it himself!

[@demonofelru3214]

I am currently still on X299 running a 10900X and RTX 3090 Ti I do gaming and some encoding. Ready to upgrade and and seriously considering W790. I know its probably overkill or not "optimal" for gaming but I like the PCIe expansion and amount of SSDs and SATA devices I can use without sacrificing anything. I am willing to pay extra for it.

[@daveg4417]

I bought the ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE instead of the ASRock WS W790. The ASRock is much more expensive in Canada, and I didn't like its PCIe slot layout, the top x16 slot is too close to the cooler, the next slot down is only x8. I built mine with a W7-2495X 24C 48T 4.8GHz all-core, 512GB DDR5-4800 ECC RDIMM (8x64GB with no issues at all), and an ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090. I used the Corsair 5000D Airflow case, and it fit perfect. It is an awesome system that kicks butt. CPU-Z ~800 ST ~24000 MT (TR Pro 5965WX 24C CPU-Z is only ~620 ST ~18900 MT and it costs way more in Canada than the W7-2495X). I priced out TR Pro but they were way more expensive for slower older tech. I see lots of Intel haters in the comments. They don't know what they are talking about. You buy W2400/W3400 for the large memory support and high I/O lanes. A real workstation.

[@tudalex]

In Europe intel is ~40% more expensive when it comes to CPU price alone in the HEDT market. You can get a 5975wx 32 cores, 128MB cache 8 channel ram and 128 pci-e lanes at the same price as a w7-2495x which has 24 cores 45MB cache 4 channel ram and 64 pci-e lanes. Yes, it is a little bit older but for my code compile workload the extra cache and memory bandwidth makes it up. There are use cases for each platform.

[@daveg4417]

@@tudalex- Either platform makes a good workstation. TR Pro 5000 is just a generation older than Intel W2400/3400. I don't understand people who have to bash either AMD or Intel. Congratulations on your system, it sounds great. Here in Canada I got the W7-2495X for $3000 while the 5965WX was $4000. The TR Pro motherboard was a lot more money than the W790 as well. I priced out a 24-Core TR Pro system at $20,000 and the W2400 24-Core system was $13,000. A really big difference. So I went Intel. The W7-2495X system is the replacement for my AMD R9-5950X system, as I needed more memory. The 5975WX 32-Core is CPU-Z ~650 ST ~25000 MT, so it is slower than the W7-2495X on single-thread but about the same on multi-thread.

[@carlbaillargeon4037]

Hey! Which RAM kit did you buy? I'm from Canada too and I'm having a hard time finding good kits. Thx

[@daveg4417]

@@carlbaillargeon4037- I got 8x64GB for 512GB total of Kingston DDR5 RDIMM KSM48R40BD4TMM-64HMR from the local computer store where I live. They had to order it from their supplier which took a month.

[@Goryglory0209]

100.percent well said

[@Eidolon2003]

The real question is why we haven't seen reviews of these CPUs from the mainstream outlets yet. Is Intel trying not to advertise these chips?

[@gabrielecarbone8235]

because they suck 😅

[@FeintMotion]

Drew even with Zen 3 parts from two years ago after three extra years of SR dev

[@Level1Techs]

no sampllleeeessssss :D

[@Eidolon2003]

@@FeintMotion Good point. Still the only option with more modern features until Zen 4 comes along though. It seems relatively price competitive, but still more expensive than Zen 3. Would you rather have a 2475X (20 cores, ~$1750) or a 5965WX (24 cores, ~$1600), considering I'm pretty sure golden cove is faster per core than Zen 3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but depending on what you're doing I could see SPR making sense.

[@daveg4417]

@@Eidolon2003- The prices in Canada for the Intel W2400 are lower than the TR Pro 5000. I got my W7-2495X 24-Core for 25% less than the 5965WX 24-Core. I was originally going to get a TR Pro system but the Intel was way cheaper and much faster, plus DDR5 and PCIe5. The W7-2495X 24-Core is also faster than the 5975WX 32-Core.

[@novantha1]

This is going to sound very weird, but you've done a few videos on ROCm and CUDA in the past (particularly with regards to accelerators). Is there any possibility of talking about the experience of running AI workloads on OpenVino with the accelerators on Sapphire Rapids workstation? I'm not sure how many of the server variant's accelerators are available on this platform, but I think you could see an argument where you could pair a W3400 series (or hey, honestly, even a W2423 with PCIe x8), with at least one, but probably multiple A770s, and possibly offload a sizable amount of the model onto the CPU's accelerators, giving you a system under $3000 or so that functioned like it had 80-84GB of VRAM. Now, you wouldn't have to do the whole build to talk about the possibility, I think just hearing about the accelerators and possibly pairing them with a single A770 would be more than enough to get the point across.

[@mr.selfimprovement3241]

Glad to hear that with 1000-watts possible delivery to the CPU socket alone - you will no longer need to splurge on a new space heater this winter! Just think of all the savings!! 👍

[@daveg4417]

My Intel W7-2495X 24C 48T system draws less power at the wall than my AMD R9-5950X 16C 32T system.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

@@daveg4417 You must be located close to a black hole where physics seemingly break down. Otherwise I can’t begin to explain how a 5950X with an absolute default power limit to the AM4 socket of 142 W can draw more power than a 2495X with a base power limit of 225 W and a turbo power limit of 270 W. I got a 5950X system with completely removed power limits to be able to test powerful custom water-cooling solutions (but limited to ambient temperature) and 270 W just to the socket can be reached there with Prime95 and AVX2 enabled, no chance of reaching anything close to that with more “regular” cooling.

[@daveg4417]

@@abavariannormiepleb9470- You mistakenly think that I am always running both systems at 100% power and 100% load. Who always runs their computer under normal use at 100% all day long? I am talking idle power draw, regular use power draw, and heat, and fan noise from thermals.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

@@daveg4417 Then you must have have had a defective motherboard model or buggy BIOS (the latter unfortunately isn’t rare). As a workshop system I operate a 5750G (88 W socket power limit), 128 GB ECC UDIMM, an ASUS ProArt X570-CREATOR WIFI, 4 x 2 TB NVMe SSDs and 6 x 3.84 SATA SSDs in a passively-cooled Streacom FC10 Alpha. No issues with the system drawing much, much more power under load compared to idling.

[@daveg4417]

@@abavariannormiepleb9470- According to my watt meter, the W2400 draws 190 watts idle steady at bios, the 5950X draws 230 watts idle and constantly jumping around 150 to 230. Even in Windows the 5950X is constantly ramping up the fans every 10-30 seconds. Both systems are ASUS motherboards, both Noctua coolers and Noctua fans, both ASUS GPUs. With my 5950X I had to set thermal throttling in the BIOS otherwise under load it gets so hot that it reboots the computer with a thermal error. That is with a Noctua NH-D15 with two 140mm fans in a Lian Li Lancool Mesh case with six fans. My W2400 never does that, but to be fair the W2400 has an IHS that is three times the size. All last summer when I was doing UE5 work on the 5950X it would really heat up the room and the fans spin up full rpm. This summer with my w2400 it barely even spins up the fans on UE5 work. I realize that the max TDP of both processors are different, and that the W2400 is a much higher TDP part, but I am rarely taking it to full load. Yet I notice a dramatic difference between the R9-5950X and W7-2495X for thermals

[@ugurugutugu]

I know it's a bit early. But Do you plan Video on H2Ogpt or privategpt or some kind of self hosted AI?

[@huwhitememes]

I learn so much from your videos. Thank you.

[@evilgeek87]

I've heard there are still some major problems with these CPUs involving the clocks/latency/done performance issue when building high end audio workstations, which is not my use case, but hopefully it gets worked out in a successor or hardware revision. I suspect that may explain the lack of advertising. Regardless, unless AMD can offer an alternative, I may be forced to find a way to get my hands on one of these systems

[@Level1Techs]

I have only noticed this in combination with nivida drivers and the gpu accelerated scheduler, fwiw. It might possibly be that # threads causes the gpu driver to trigger the issue more often? But 75% of the time disabling gpu accelerated scheduling fixes it every time? haha

[@kleanthisgroutides7100]

From what I've heard SP's where only meant as a stop gap... I've been in two minds to be honest but given Threadripper Pro 7000 is landing very soon with Emerald rapids not far behind I've decided to wait. The key point is W790 is only meant to handle sapphire and Emerald rapids and nothing beyond that so technically it's a dead-end platform post 2024.

[@velo1337]

thats missinformation that is spread by some youtubers because they dont know it better.

[@kleanthisgroutides7100]

@velo1337 the single die model had a timing issue which was resolved with a microcode update... this includes the W2400's. W3400's were not affected since they use a different die.

[@charliebrown1947]

i'm interested in this level of connectivity and pcie support as a general purpose homelab/nas setup but instead of blazing fast multi-thousand dollar xeons i'm leaning towards low idle power with some performance capabiltiies. do any of these xeons have efficiency cores? or is another platform better suited for my purposes? i'm currently running a ryzen 3900x on a x570 motherboard with udimm ecc modules and the idle power is fairly high. my goal is to run 24+ solid state sata ssds... not necessarily for the speed but the low power, smaller space and lower noise.

[@novantha1]

Uh, if you want low idle power use, Sapphire Rapids is *not* the way to go. Some of them can require up to an 1800 watt power supply while running a single GPU (they don't use all of that power, but they have harsh power spikes and generally idle quite high). If you really need efficient HEDT Threadripper's pretty good, and at the price you're looking at for some modern HEDT chips it's not insane IMO to suggest doing something like 2-3 N100 builds over an ethernet switch to get okay connectivity for things like storage.

[@charliebrown1947]

​@@novantha1 you confused me wanting low IDLE power and IDLE efficiency with me wanting efficient high load performance. i already have efficient high load... i want LOW POWER IDLE EFFICIENCY and AMD is not the way to do so.

[@QuentinStephens]

I do enjoy learning about these HEDT systems. I do have one question: with so many x16 slots available, why put the GPU in the top slot? Why not put it lower down, allowing both it and the CPU cooler to breath more? Or is it thermally better to put it there?

[@morosis82]

The top slot is spaced for a 2 slot card, so if you put it lower you block some slots from use.

[@mikes567]

love this but i gotta disagree on the 7.1 solution id go pciE since theres so many physical sockets and sound cards are so cheap and tried and true at this point ...saves me some usb and its bandwidth for other things ...the fact it has optical audio alone should be praised since that legacy connector can be very useable and isnt a given on this class of board ...1k watt ...man what a time to be alive

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Wish there still were dual socket parts that aren’t locked down. Back in 2008 had great fun with a dual 4-core Xeon L5450 system that was overclocked by 20 % by changing the FSB from 1.333 to 1.600 MT/s with 24 GB FB-DDR2.

[@videocardzrule354]

I’m considering building one of these for sure. I run mainstream platforms. Z790/14900KS. And I’m really wanting an all P-Core CPU, that is so awesome!

[@tringuyen7519]

If Intel wants people to buy Sapphire Rapids for HEDT, it should come out & say that it has a HEDT offering. It hasn’t yet!

[@gabrielecarbone8235]

because it has issues and is underperforming

[@oscarcharliezulu]

@@gabrielecarbone8235in what way? Guessing price / performance or is it something else?

[@cracklingice]

I really do hope that intel does actually bring back HEDT instead of this look we strapped overclocking on our workstation parts while doubling the price. I mean seriously - just take 16 cores in a double ring config if needed - that clock lightly threaded as well as consumer parts - and give it 40 lanes of PCIE and quad channel (standard udimm). I'd not hesitate to drop a grand, maybe 1200 max on that board and a 12 core CPU. But I will not spend that much on just the CPU when it cannot get near the same low thread performance as desktop and is heavily cut down high core count parts.

[@FrenziedManbeast]

I love these videos sir keep it up! I've been trying to learn as much as possible to incorporate that knowledge into my NAS and HomeLab stuff for future use. Wendell do you know if there is an "optimal" or "ideal" configuration for: RDIMM ECC + 'Low' TDP + PCIe availability/expandability + Intel Quick Sync? I've been looking around scratching my head because most of these workstation class systems have costs in the thousands and pull high wattage even at idle. I know I could like...add an Arc GPU to a TR Pro or Xeon for example, but that seems like a thermonuclear solution. My general idea is to improve my TrueNAS Scale VDEV Configuration and incorporate RDIMM ECC to improve my silent corruption detection/correction. Can consumers do this without breaking the bank?

[@vpx23]

I don't get why you say only the w7-24xx have quad-channel and only the w9-34xx have octa-channel? It shows 4 channels for all wx-24xx CPUs and 8 channels for all wx-34xx CPUs in the specs?

[@awetisimgaming7473]

I really wanted this as it came out, but I already bought an AM5 board, and a 7950x with money I definitely didn't have

[@zoson]

The 2455x is a better overclocking cpu than the 65/75/95. It allows up to 100C Tj Max, whereas the 65 ais 95C, and 75/95 are 94C max. This results in a higher minimum clockspeed for all cores, and higher maximum clockspeed for best cores. And it's exactly 75% of the cost of a 2465x while having 75% of the cores. Have you discussed with GSkill the absurdity that these memory modules are not coming with heatspreaders when you yourself have seen that they have stability issues at temperatures as low as 60C? What did they say?

[@ShowXTech]

"Projekt Unvernunft" by der8auer/Roman is based on the same prozessor as Wendels system right?

[@esumsea]

So are you saying we don’t need to use the carrier trays with the Noctua coolers? Noctua specifically states that it must be used one their website. Can you clear this up because I got this board and it did not come with the carriers and I am waiting on them so if I can mount the 15” Noctua without the carrier it would be great!

[@rocnroll1715]

It would be onteresting to see how well Mac OS Hackintosh would score compared to the current Intel Mac Pro and Apple silicon Mac Pro in single and multi.

[@-szega]

As someone with an AM4-based main system I'm kinda weeping at these I/O options. I've tried adding faster-than-gigabit networking, but I actually do not have the PCIe lanes to do even that. So I'll have to go with 2.5 GbE over USB 3. What a pain. Socket 1200/1700 looks pretty darn compelling in comparison. Even to AM5 boards. Something about AM4/AM5 boards compels vendors to only make weird PCIe slot combinations.

[@morosis82]

I don't understand this, I have an AM4 with 3 x16 slots with x8 x8 and x4 if you use them all, plus some chipset connected m.2. Seems about the same as high end 1700 boards except they're pcie5

[@-szega]

@@chrisdejonge611 Like most AM4 boards mine only has one M.2 slot (with x4 CPU lanes)

[@-szega]

@@morosis82 Do correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know there have only been two boards with that slot configuration, and the (iirc) MSI one has been discontinued. Almost all X570 boards have braindead slot layouts. It does feel a lot like they wanted to avoid competing with Threadripper or higher end Intel platforms in the IO area. Of course all chipsets before X570 simply didn't have enough lanes... PCIe 2.0 x6 :D

[@morosis82]

@@-szega I have the Gigabyte X570S Aero G and it has the x16 at the top with triple slot spacing, another x16 (x8 shared with the top slot) then another x16 (x4 shared with the third m.2 connector). So you can run 2 x8 cards off the CPU, then an m.2 off the CPU, plus either a x4 card and 2x m.2 or 3x m.2. Though I think one of those disappears if you load out the SATA connectors, so that would make it 3 cards, 2x m.2 and a bunch of SATA as a full loadout.

[@timkarsten8610]

Was waiting for it. This already was waiting in my shopping basket. To the moon!

[@daltonrandall4348]

Just to clarify, are you saying it's better to use 4 sticks of RAM with this MOBO than 8?

[@mikew3137]

Did Wendell say the NH-U14S DX-4677 has clearance for 8 Zeta 5 R-DIMMs on this board?

[@murraywebster1228]

I wonder what you would be able to come up with for a Rock steady fast and reliable DAW, as such it has a very different set of requirements compared to other workstations, unfortunately being a sound engineer it’s not my world as such but it’s really hard to find unbiased information to find out which components would be the best for a DAW, Wendell I know you’re a very busy man, but you also like a challenge if I understand you right, have you any interest in looking into building the optimal DAW?

[@420bobby69]

I'm assuming you mean a workstation-class PC for digital audio, rather than a DAW like Protools. I went to college for music production and have had the privilege of working in a million-dollar studio. As I understand it, on the PC side of things, digital audio is largely CPU bound, but doesn't require extreme performance like 3D rendering. Any high-end CPU with lots of threads on a high-bandwidth platform will be more than enough. The main hardware difference for high-end recordings are things like professional quality DACs. Those are separate rackmount solutions with their own built-in processing, like Avid Pro HD devices. As long as your computer can handle the I/O requirements, has moderately high threadcounts and plenty of (stable) RAM, you'll have enough for anything you need. In short, professional audio hardware is usually in it's own separate unit, rather than integrated in the PC itself. There aren't many unique PC-specific considerations for pro audio production. Case in point would be how the industry-standard for computers in top studios is still Mac. The reason is because the pure hardware requirements aren't extreme, the OS is stable and compatible with industry standard software, and they have TONS of thunderbolt I/O for all of those external devices.

[@murraywebster1228]

@@420bobby69 I’ve actually been a professional sound engineer for over 45 years, and I meant exactly what I wrote, DAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation….protools, Cubase et al are just the software for it but are incorrectly called DAW‘s, probably because the original hardware workstations were dedicated machines and then migrated to macs and pc‘s, which these days have way higher requirements due to more advanced plugins and virtual instruments, not to consider the move to audio on network and immersive mixing, a new growing movement is also audio processing on the GPU, also the apparent domination of Apple was mainly , I believe, political manoeuvring on the part of AVID, and many now see that being tied into that walled garden was an expensive mistake, protools may have been the first to establish themselves and created a walled garden that incredibly difficult financially to get out of once you’re in, and protools was never the best and certainly has not been so for many years, in Europe Cubase/Nuendo predominates I believe, especially now due to Apple/Avid business practices

[@victorbart]

What a nice hardware! I just spend 4000 euro on a 7950X 96gb ddr5 4080 and 2x4tb ssd. It replaces my Xeon E5 2690 V2 64gb ddr3 970 🥳

[@solidreactor]

Threadripper and Meteor Lake this fall will be interesting

[@solidreactor]

@@chrisdejonge611 Is it Arrow Lake we are waiting for, for Desktop enthusiast / Workstation tile based "Foveros" CPUs? Haven't been keeping up with intel after 10th gen, being so samey since then :) Hope Intel will compete in highend

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Another positive for Raptor Lake Refresh might be improved power efficiency due to Intel being able to fix a bug. So not really more absolute performance compared to 13th gen but lower power consumption under similar loads.

[@ryandietz7878]

Are these mesh or ring bus?

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Yay, new Threadrippers next quarter. Sad the competitive pressure from Intel isn’t stronger :-/

[@edmunns8825]

At least intel can design and build their products. Your threadripper is gone as soon as Winnie the Pooh cracks the shits.

[@maxwellsmart3156]

@@edmunns8825 What are you talking about because your comment is beyond vapid and moronic?

[@szurpx]

@@edmunns8825 What? What is this Intel fanboy nonsense lol

[@edmunns8825]

@@szurpx You Sir, can take a long walk off a short pier. You are Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer and Oscar the grouch all rolled into one. The very fact you're still alive makes your mother Ill. Please note, this is one of the only youtube conversations in history where a mother was mentioned without a hint of intercourse. Just goofing about, thanks you just made me laugh. Have a great day.

[@daveg4417]

The Intel W-series 24-Core is faster than the TR Pro 32-Core, the W-series 56-Core is faster than the TR Pro 64-Core, plus W2400/W3400 is DDR5 and PCIe5, I would say that is competitive. There is supposed to be a W2400/W3400 refresh coming soon as well, with most likely more features and performance.

[@videosuperhighway7655]

You can get a Lenovo P7 with a W7-3445 at 3600 USD with coupons. Just the CPU is 2K it makes no sense to build a Xeon box.

[@Sunlight91]

I guess it's good for PCIe lanes & huge RAM support, but CPU price/performance is trash. The cores only perform similar to Zen3 for 3 times the price and worse efficiency.

[@demonofelru3214]

@@chrisdejonge611 Wait for Emerald Rapids.

[@jcarman]

Where are you finding W5-2465X's for ~$1300? I can't find anything like that under 2k.

[@daveg4417]

The Intel W5-2465X here in Canada is $1899 CAD which is $1400 US.

[@andljoy]

Would be nice if AMD also bring back the middle of the road none Pro threadrippers .

[@dj4aces]

Rumors seem to suggest that AMD will have both WX and X variants of their 7000-series Threadrippers, but to my knowledge, nothing has been formally announced yet.

[@kortaffel]

Can you build a workstation with a Genoa F 32 core? Threadripper without the name

[@velo1337]

when will the intel xeon 9480 actually launch?

[@mark-ze4en]

interesting one step forward wit wait,, or is it one step back tech wise/

[@mrfilipelaureanoaguiar]

A 16 cores xeon able to pull 1000w? I know that more cores is better but how much you really can push it? 16 cores pulling 1000w at 5ghz all threads and having a 32 cores at 4ghz same thing on all threads is not the same deal and compute.

[@Ak47ram]

Will it work with Gold 6444Y?

So how do the TB4 ports get display signal of there's no DP in on the rear?

@@chrisdejonge611 that's a bummer.

@@chrisdejonge611 I guess this is why they call them USB4 ports on their website and not TB4.

[@biblicallyaccuratedoge]

i was curious how the 2400 x series xeons do in gaming, specifically how they perform in CoD and other gpu-heavy-ish shooter games

[@demonofelru3214]

@@chrisdejonge611 I wish there was an in between. I would rather not go with W790 but Z790 has too few PCIe slots than I would like.

[@EthelbertCoyote]

Another great video

[@comguaf8093]

Street price XD hahahahahahaha

[@christopherjackson2157]

Wendell aka "the lightning bringer"

[@robertj1138]

i have no legit use for that much power except for maybe handbrake. i still want it.

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

Ooo i want that air cooler for my standard desktop cpu

[@edmunns8825]

This is the only platform that I see as a real upgrade from my x99 one. There is absolutely no talk about this though, apart from you guys and Skatter bench being quite impressed. These things will overclock like a beast. Space that very much includes gaming is the w5-2455x. Beast in my opinion. Not hard to get that at 5GHz as a daily driver IMO.For us guys that actually need lanes and are allergic to AMD this is a god send haha.

[@cowbutt6]

Same. One notable difference: back in 2014, my 5820K+X99 board didn't cost much more than a 4790K+Z97 board (admittedly, DDR4 was still new, so it had a premium over DDR3). That's not the case with Sapphire Rapids+W790... I may end up settling for a i7-13700K+Z790.

[@edmunns8825]

@@cowbutt6 Too late for me, I just bought one cowbutt.

[@edmunns8825]

@@cowbutt6 when I bought my X99 platform I still run now, fuck drr4 was expensive. It's been my only computer since 2015. Such a great product IMO. I think Sapphire rapids is the same but is getting quietly swept under the rug. For what it is I don't consider it that expensive to be honest. Looks to me like a computer that will last me the next 10 years.

[@seanthomas2906]

Really nice.

[@lyth1um]

there is static at @16:47

[@titanoconnell5802]

I have to dispute Wendell's quote early in the video on how VROC has the lowest latency. It took me forever to learn that VROC is designed for 4 users and up at a time for optimal performance (I.E., a server). I tested both x4 drives on a p3608 intel card as well as four 58gb optanes in raid 0, and in each case, the QD1 speed was massively slower than a single drive. I ended up using my Hyper M.2 card for individual drives, fun squeezing windows 10 onto 58gb then I got a 118 optane as well. It seems intel shifted iRST to include raid and that is for better QD1 raid performance for a single user and should be used over VROC. I could not get this to work on my x299 PRIME DELUXE board but maybe because I did not have the DELUXE II variant, it appears RST only works for sata drives with that BIOS. Regardless, I still pat myself on the back for installing windows to a VROC raid and it all worked thanks to a super cheap passthru VROC key I got (intended for supermicro boards) for like 30 bucks.

[@angiebueno9303]

The feeling you experience regarding error correcting ddr5 must be orgasmic 😂

[@DangoNetwork]

They are just too pricy for what they are.

[@be-kind00]

Why do most motherboards only offer SATA or nvme? What happened to SAS? Don't we want out HDD's to have greater speeds than slow SATA and get to SAS @ 24 Gbps (SAS 4.0). What am I missing here?

[@daveg4417]

The ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE (W2400) and SAGE (W3400) have multiple SlimSAS connectors on them, if that will do for you.

[@be-kind00]

@@daveg4417 Thanks.

[@morosis82]

Most spinning rust is slower than SATA can handle and if you want actual speed you go for nvme. What is the actual use case for SAS in this day and age?

[@candy-clark]

W3175x and c621 can retire now🎉😂

[@CornBreadMan264]

I still have my C612 w/ 2x E5-2699A v4 😇😇

[@Xoman08]

I despair seeing that bulky radiator / air cooler. Use water cooking!! Better efficiency and occupies less space.

[@timestamppatrol]

i want this system :)

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

Guys. If you are having a hard time losing weight. Get your testosterone lvl checked. Thats usually the culprate.

[@mr.selfimprovement3241]

Statistically test levels are rarely the reason (especially in men under 50). More often diet, lifestyle, metabolic disorders like pre-diabetes, Thyroid disorders, Lipids or Kidney Issues, etc. Unless you have the test levels of a 90-year-old man and are ingesting massive amounts of estrogens, low test alone in an otherwise healthy active individual _may_ result in an extra 10- or 20-pounds max. And the *vast majority* of the time younger men are overweight, is due to bad labs due to poor nutrition, some serious lack of activity, and a great in-balance between their calories-in/calories-out. This I know a great deal about because I was born with Hyperandrogenis - my body produced too much test and I hit puberty at 11 and stopped growing between 13 and 14 years old (stunting my growth). I had body hair, lots of muscles, and was balding at 14 years old (I looked like I was a short and stocky 20-something college wrestler on Tren). All my growth plates fused while I was 13, and then just after my 14th birthday, my body basically burnt out and I went from 900-1200ng/dl at 13, to a fraction of that almost overnight. I gained a bunch of weight and had horrible acne, and health problems to have haunted me to this very day (such as early onset arthritis, infertility and chronic cystic acne). The double edge of producing so much test as a child, is that after puberty (13-14) - my body suddenly went into a permanent hypogonadism state, which at 37 years old (if not treated) my test levels have been the nearly same since they crashed when I was 14 years old! I have had a sub optimal 200-280ng/dl (it fluctuates) since I was a teenager and pushing 40 it was already so low that it has barely creeped down. I waited until I was 34 to start hormone treatments and I only lost a slight bit of weight. I felt better and had more energy - but I pretty much had the same muscle and metabolic burning rate. I however have lost over 70 pounds since last year - and that was due to a 2000 calorie diet, walking/running 1-hour a day, addressing my metabolic disorders, having my lipids taken every two months, removing all gluten eating a very low carb and no saturated fat diet (yes, both), and starting a fitness routine (outside of the walking/running). Completely removing Gluten, bread, caffeine and adopting a modified Mediterranean diet made the biggest difference of all! Test replacement is not the magic bullet - it will make you 'feel' better but will not give you a Chris Evans Captain America transformation. It is not the reason people who sit around all day and eat gluten, carbs, high fats, drink caffeinated sugar beverages, and probably have undiagnosed pre-diabetes and high blood pressure are over-weight by 50+ pounds.

[@BBWahoo]

@@mr.selfimprovement3241 Well put, I have decreased folate absorbption, methyfolate helps and so does a low carb diet and fasting. Of course exercise too!! You'll see your penis in no time, guys!