4th Gen Intel Xeon W9-3495X - I Got The Power! 💪🏻

[@Glowup_ema]

Lets just think about that for a minute. That cooler was absorbing 500watt of and still managing 60c. Amazing.

[@bdhale34]

Only thing I'm thinking is how you can get a 96 core 192 thread Epyc for $1000 more and it uses 140w less power while being much more powerful.

[@alderlake12th]

@@bdhale34 30% more cores and 20% more performance??

[@jankington216]

​@@bdhale34all I can think about is my $300 cpu that also has much more performance in a clock speed application

[@cds5067]

Bd go back to your hole

[@max1024]

Thanks for the exclusive content! I hope there is enough material for the third part ))

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

Enjoyed the video Leo. A lot of good information in it. Thank you 👌🏻

[@larsjrgensen5975]

Interesting to see that 8 channels of DDR4 easily beats 4 channels of DDR5 at almost twice the speed. It payed out to go wide instead of pure speed on the memory bus.

[@bobsmithson8592]

Nicely done, as always leo. its a more real world approach you took, which I appreciated.

[@ericneo2]

Wow those stats say it all. Intel 56C @ 485W vs AMD 64C @ 286W

[@NawfalHasan]

286W and a year old CPU (2 year old architecture). Intel is doomed in the high end

[@harleylover9446]

Thats actually really good for the professional market in regards to performance per dollar. Would love to see this doing some rendering with specific jobs.

[@chieftron]

What's interesting is I have a quad socket with 4 e7-8890 v3 that is 18c/32thread per cpu at 2.5ghz base and 3.3ghz boost at 165w per cpu. So for all 4 cpus in total at max draw is 660w. These cpus came out in q2 2015. So I have 72c/144t @ 3.3ghz at 660watt compared to 56c/112t @ 550w. It's crazy that in 8+ years things have shrunk to a smaller package but at the same power if not higher.

[@beyzadr]

Wow that can absorb a huge amount of power.

[@demonofelru3214]

At least I can finally upgrade my X299 system. I will be looking to get the W-2455X.

[@NawfalHasan]

A fair comparison would be against Zen 4 Genoa?

[@canarychrome7012]

some interesting results there, will have to go back over some of those graphs. Some memory bandwidth from those threadripper chips mind you

[@RobBCactive]

Actually missed this review, after Leo's MLiD chat I'm here for context and it looks brutal, more than expected from listening, the Zen3 TR Pro with DDR4 stands fairly well using about half the power, which matters in server rooms where overloading the A/C can lead to bad outages.

[@parthanandi9991]

This is what I am waiting for , yesss !

[@stickyfingers9710]

What workloads are you using, really curious if you dont mind me asking Partha.

[@davidontheroad74]

16:30 on the memory testing results, why is the DDR5 memory on W3495 performing slower than DDR4 performing on Threadripper Pro, is this a latency issue? thanks

[@lharsay]

Quad channel DDR5 vs octo channel DDR4. On paper the 56 core Xeon also allows octo channel but they couldn't enable it on any available motherboard at the time.

[@julienlauzon1106]

Hi, by curiosity, when you tested games, was it perfectly playable? I mean did it have some weird behaviour or issues? Thanks.

[@museyibhummatov6558]

I really want to see one of these without the head spreader.

[@QuentinStephens]

I enjoyed that; thank you, Leo. I was most impressed with that air cooler and I hope you test it some more. Hopefully it will work even better with the W-24xx parts. Please, Intel, let Leo test those, particularly the 12 and 16 core models. I was gobsmacked by the power consumption, but then I wondered: for your viewers, does that really matter? It matters massively in a datacentre, of course, but in an office environment 500W where it won't be running full tilt 24/7 is it really important? And in a home environment, at that price point people cope with 600W GPUs so is a 500W CPU really that much of an issue? Especially here in the UK where it doesn't normally get that hot.

[@rejeangadbois3123]

The w5-2455X Looks good. I currently have a LGA 2066 i9 10900x what should I do?

[@QuentinStephens]

@@rejeangadbois3123 That's what we need Leo to answer.

[@boltsandbraces6261]

Hi leo, would have been nice to see some rendering on them, but that seems somewhat involved a task. The Cinebench results are quite epic though, thats a good indication

[@longaker]

Need to see all-core overclock to reach 13900k ghz. Any chance you’ll be evaluating OC headroom?

[@TheNefastor]

13:04 tells me all I need to know. At the same level of performance the Intel draws 70% more power (+200W) over the AMD. Never mind the electrical bill, consider the cooling requirements. My TR Pro happily runs on a Noctua air cooler, no need to mess with liquid and it's quite cheaper. And then there's the fact that the Intel requires unusual, expensive DDR5 whereas my half-terabyte of ECC DDR4 cost me less than two grand. I've been on team blue for about 10 years but now I'm team red and it looks like it'll stay that way for a while.

[@alderlake12th]

Yes, this xeon can run normally without throttling with noctua

[@QuentinStephens]

Hey Leo, a question: why did you move the GPU? Isn't part of the point of these boards that you have multiple full x16 slots so could you not have left it?

[@KitGuruTech]

Yes I could however a) PCIe1 is Gen 5 x16 and PCIe2 is Gen 5 x8 b) You can guarantee there would be comments about the GPU being in the 'wrong' slot Leo

[@QuentinStephens]

@@KitGuruTech Quite right to do it, then.

[@stevewatson6839]

At last! Something really impressive from Intel.

[@mdd1963]

This temps were VERY surprisingly cool!!! Amazing. ( assuming they are accurate, anyway)

[@KitGuruTech]

Happily you were able to observe them on screen and can be sure of the facts and figures Leo

[@StreamVirtual]

We're any of the Pcie slots open with that GPU in its slot?

[@troeteimarsch]

Would you mind doing me a favor? Would you reduce active cores to 16, deactivate hyperthreading and check if it can sustain 5GHz?

[@LaOguldon]

Nice to see the 4th out at last, been thinking about building my next workstation with one, but I think ill hold off to see the 5th gen, the motherboards just seem lacking for this age, 1-2 years ago yes they were good

[@ricardoelectronicsrepair]

node jump from 7 to 3 in only a year of course is worth waiting, that will be cutting edge workstation when it came out.

[@cds5067]

Wish my business didn't need anything right now would love to wait and save a couple thousand

[@jaffarbh]

Great review guys (first one I am seeing on this channel). The main selling point for the new Xeons is the "accelerators". However, you need software support, which isn't there yet. Also, Intel's "cooperation" with ARM will reduce the transistors pitch to 2nm only and less by 2024 (beating TSMC's 4nm). If Intel really delivers, we can expect future Xeons to pack 100's cores while consuming much less per core than the 4th Gen.

[@alderlake12th]

144 cores in 5th lol

[@darcsentor]

Great review was always. Any chance of testing the 16core version?

[@OnLee1ne]

please tell me where I can buy such a stand??? i need it for work

[@64BBernard]

This would be great for running numerical weather prediction models on - such as the Weather Research Forecast (WRF).

[@theonlyredspecial]

Didn’t even know that was a thing ! You work in that sector ?

[@velo1337]

what happened to the intel xeon max 9480?

[@marcopolo8584]

I really wonder if the monolithic Sapphire Rapids SKUs will perform well in games, since they won't have as high core-to-core latency as the MCM ones, meanwhile they have larger caches and feature AVX-512, and won't be as thermally constrained as the larger SKUs.

[@thieftdp2680]

hey Kitguru, great review always detailed. btw, do you guys know if this platform is capable of supporting optane pmem 3.0?

[@bilaldogru1883]

That is an insane amount of power and it does look like it has an insane amount of power..

[@bdhale34]

Notice he's not comparing against the AMD enterprise chips that are these chips real competition. Where 96c/192t chips are $1000 more for a chip that uses 140w less.

[@astarothmarduk3720]

@@bdhale34 It is a workstation comparison. For servers, other benchmarks would be used, not Blender or Cinebench. Maybe database transactions. I remember preparing a server with workstation tech because it was mainly a compute workload, not I/O.

[@haremofprocessors6954]

thats an insane performance level - I cant get over those temperatures mind you, is that accurate leo?

[@MikeZak101]

I would have thought so, its 4x the surface area of 1700 chips but only pulling 200w more, so equivalent of running a 13900k for example at 125w instead of 300w

[@kerotomas1]

It doesn't even come close to AMD EPYC CPUs, obviously not shown here.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

yes, i remember it sounds similar to 40x i auditioned back then (most neutral amongst others)

[@religionlol7323]

Looks like my next build. I have ran HEDT core X series but they aren't making them anymore.

[@spawntohell]

Kind of interesting, but kind of weird mixed bag. Memory bandwidth for once, temps are nice but is something weird with that power? Am i missing something here?

[@williammathies2998]

Thanks!

[@chopper5588]

I would be really scared overclocking and messing that CPU up.

[@zeroize9903]

Hello I'm looking to buy a new workstation and I'm thinking about buying either amd 5995wx or w9-3495x. I want to be able to work and play games one computer I know it's not the right cpu for the game, but if you have any recommendations, which one would you recommend? (5995wx vs 3495x) my task deals with 3D point cloud-related data and develops related engines. monitor I'm using is ultra wide 4K (3840 x 1600)

[@astarothmarduk3720]

I would look for some kind of benchmark for the workload, assumingly that gaming is not the main focus. Even workloads with DaVinci Resolve differ alot, depending on how the application is used. Some calculations may be offloaded to the GPU, changing the system requirements profoundly. There are a variety of accelerator cards like AMD Instinct and nVidia H/A series for specific workloads who do not compromise on precision like the usual gaming cards (FP64), not cheap either, but maybe helping processing the workload faster by a huge amount There are providers like Puget Systems who do benchmarks for applications and assemble hardware optimized for the task, really testing it in-house before choosing suitable components for the customer. I would assume that a GPU for gaming can be added at the end because of the vast PCIe lanes a HEDT platform possesses if another accelerator is already in place.

[@bestof467]

Just imagine how much cooling power Watts could be saved if only desktop processors were as big as Xeon's! No thermal throttling + faster processing. The ATX case has plenty of space anyway so I don't see the point of keeping processors tiny and cooling fans HUGE+++

[@marcellomedeiros9078]

How about Xeon x Threadripper? Who wins this cpu clash? Greetings from Brazil! 🤘😎🇧🇷

[@Vaktimizdualarr]

How many people are going to run one of these in a desktop?

[@bdhale34]

Probably no one these are enterprise chips for servers, threadripper isn't even the direct competition Epyc is and for less you can get a 64c/128t Epyc that uses 200+ less watts of power or the 360w 96 core 192 thread for $1000 more..

[@nathanlowery1141]

I would lol but I’m probably a niche of a niche 😂

[@nadtz]

Glad to see the Asrock board, kind of prefer it to the Asus as it comes with U.2 which I find strange not on the Asus. It will be interesting to see what the 7000 TR's look like when they come out later this year.

[@TGameplay4k]

awesome processor

[@littleshubunkin7926]

Good video.

[@gokhanbozkurt7186]

What test bench is that

[@KitGuruTech]

Streacom BC1

[@kazukinakamura1110]

Who are these 450+ design wins and why didn’t they go with Genoa?

[@treyquattro]

I thought that Sapphire Rapids had Alder Lake P-cores, so I expected single-core Cinebench to be on par with an i9-12900, around 2K points or more.

[@KitGuruTech]

Clock speeds are much lower then desktop hence low scores. Realistically, how often do you run single core workloads on a 56-core workstation. Leo

[@pazitor]

Maybe now I can play Crisis. Good to know.

[@stefannilsson2406]

16:38 "stunning" Are you surprised the threadrippers have higher memory bandwidth when you hamstring the xeons? You know, they support 8 channel memory too, but you only put 4 memory sticks in the motherboard. Had you given the xeons 8 channel memory, there wouldn't be a competition. Edit: Ok, I see the motherboard only support quad channel memory.

[@theonlyredspecial]

Lol

[@tswiftsbf]

if you have an old graphics card laying around can you send it to me? I don't have on and I just want to game

[@rufusmctavish1164]

some interestting results. Not sure AMD will be too bothered, but its quite competitive for specific tasks.

[@bdhale34]

They won't be even a little bit because these chips aren't competing with Threadripper, Epyc is their competition and for $1000 more you cand get the 96 core 192 thread Epyc, for less money you can get the 64 core 128 thread chip.

[@tejiriamrasa3258]

@@bdhale34 you are wrong, the scalable xeons are competing with epyc. This one competes with threadripper pro

[@Kiki-lc3ng]

500W power draw at current electricity prices doesn't seem right.

[@bdhale34]

Epyc 9654, 360w 96 cores 192 threads about $1000 more.. wonder why he didn't test against these chips real competition, AMD enterprise chips, Epyc.

[@astarothmarduk3720]

@@bdhale34 Epyc is server CPU, but this is a workstation testbench. Intel has server CPUs as well. Would be nice to see a server testbench as well, but it is not that appealing visually - but the unboxing and assembly surely is.

[@Evoboss1]

@KitGuruTech could you please do a review with the same CPU and test some other games on 4k please!! You could test out Cyberpunk and Halo Infinite just for fun, thanks you very much for your video keep it coming!! 💯

[@bdhale34]

The Threadripper isn't this chip's competition though, Epyc is and they go up to 192 core 384 threads (per socket) using around the power this 56 core Intel chip does. For $1000 more you can get the 96 core 192 thread Epyc 9654 and it only uses 360W. Thumbnail is ever so slightly misleading, you can't overclock away a 40 core deficiency let alone the top tier Epyc's 136 core advantage.

[@KitGuruTech]

The two Xeon W9 we were sent by Intel are intedned for 'Expert Workstation' use so the comparison with Threadipper Pro has some value. Leo

[@mucahitbayram2204]

Need loads of thermal paste for that thing!

[@cracklingice]

I'd love to have a play with this platform. It's almost what I'm looking for. I'm still on X99 and really want something to upgrade to. I have an 8 core. I'm looking for 12 to 16 cores. I am unwilling to give up the 40 PCIE lanes and quad channel memory. I am also unwilling to pay more than around $1500 for the board and CPU as that's already 50% more than the X99 setup ran and at that time Intel was the 'overpriced monopoly' that released a $1700 CPU and was laughed out of the room. WHY are people cheering at HEDT priced consumer parts and AMD starting their almost HEDT CPUs (HEDT shouldn't used registered memory, that's workstation and server stuff) at $1400 and going all the way up to $10000 while still thinking the i7-6950X was overpriced? They're all overpriced, but at least when Intel was the monopoly, the entry point was reasonable and buying 50% or more cores than is currently needed on the consumer platform (4 back then and 8 today) got you HEDT features.

[@Zombie101]

those silver finger rings give me anxiety

[@jakkiryanov9859]

This is what should be becoming the new "high end" standard, not garbage like the newer Z series chipsets. Z690/Z790 is a joke.

[@alexmarin7897]

Why did you test the W9 3495X with only 4 channels of RAM? The W9 3495X (and the other 3000-series cpus) supports 8 memory channels. It is the w7-2495X that only supports 4 channels. I am sorry but I can’t take the results of this review as being valid. Not only that but you also only used 64GB. It is important to have at least 2GB per core otherwise you deprive the cores of RAM. Don't take it from me or from Intel, take it from AMD - they were the ones saying it. Please repeat the tests of the W93495X using at least 128GB of RAM ideally in 8 channel configuration (8x16GB). I am sure there will be a significant difference at least in some tests and in any case it will make for a good content.

[@KitGuruTech]

As mentioned in the unboxing/preview video we were sent the motherboard and two CPUs by Intel and sourced the DDR5 ourselves. (edit: and Intel knew which kit we were using before we started our testing) Cast your eyes around KZbin for another review of this CPU and you won't find much as the hardware was devilishly tricky to get together. We don't have the Asus W790E-SAGE that supports eight channels of RAM and the only video I can find is at Asus' own HQ so I guess they are thin on the ground. If you do find evidence of one in the wild I would be intrigued to see what kind of memory it runs and at what speed. (second edit: when we requested a RAM kit from Kingston they asked about the CPUs and motherboard and then sent us the kit you see in this video) Leo

[@amdintelxsniperx]

the threadripper 7980wx is so much faster still

[@MK-xc9to]

Powerfull ,yes . Expensive ? , oh yes , typical Intel price unless you buy the 8 Core variant and even then an 13900K is cheaper and stronger = more performant . The 56 Core cost 6000 - 7000 and has n o IGPU which is bad for Premiere like Workloads . AMDs TR with Zen4 will be out relativly soon = 3-4 month ? = second half of 2023 with a re introduction of a non pro TR 7000 and a 7000 pro TR with up to 96 Cores and i guess 12 channel DDR5 , maybe even an " X " Vcache variant with over 1 GB of L3 Cache . Besides , i would edit the Headline into " i suck the Power " LOL ;) , especially if you OC your W9-3495X ...

[@stage666]

Over 500W!!!

[@serkanbaskala2287]

Can’t believe the price of those CPUs - basically they are a pretty decent car.

[@VideogamesAsArt]

AMD's efficiency is astonishing

[@cracklingice]

meh - on that platform - I doubt there's just one 'correct' slot for the GPU.

[@jamesdean5418]

just eats cinebench up!!!!!!!!!

[@bilal-uh5if]

Shame Intel killed off Optane but it its just not needed.

[@nonchalanto]

It’s DDR5. Two D’s. You are saying “D-D-D-R5”

[@KitGuruTech]

Not sure where you're hearing that - I can only hear two Ds Leo

[@matthewkeen6281]

nice

[@shephusted2714]

good to see big tubes but the breaks are all wrong - right over the cpu - water always leaks out when connecting or disconnecting - vs 96 cores this thing is weak and it uses too much power - amd is much more effcient and for a cpu that is on all the time whell tco goes up and roi goes down - not optimal but maybe why intel sold out to mitac recently

[@KitGuruTech]

Glad to see you made it to the end of the video and repeated my summary points Leo

[@shephusted2714]

@@KitGuruTech leo - the engineering idea of quick break are excellent but you managed to make it worthless through bad implementation - my entire point here. maybe this chip can be undervolted and made more amenable but really we all know intel is virtually doomed - and they know it too which is why they are backing out - love your content in general but you goofed on this one and almost fried a pricey piece of kit - since water kits almost always end up leaking at some point mounting board upside down may be the best bet

[@freaky425]

you might get what's best for you but if someone is absent from market, then AMD will slack like ex Intel.

[@KitGuruTech]

@@shephusted2714 I wouldn't get too bothered about the quick breaks. That was purely for convenience while making the video and isn't intended as any sort of recommendation Leo

[@harleylover9446]

shep its likely built for a day then disassembed. this isnt a james build video for goodness sake. its a test of the hardware, quick and nasty.

[@daveg4417]

The AMD Fanbois in the comments section here are seriously lame. When did you all lose your grip on reality? 🙄

[@jazzochannel]

haha, not sure i want to spend 3 months' salary on a system like that ;D

[@diamondblack3776]

using a xeon for a desktop home computer is impossible. No, it's neccessary.

[@KitGuruTech]

Sure thing however you appreciate these parts are sold for the DIY market so this also applies to a company speccing their own workstations. Leo

[@vajona2495]

Imagine believing water cooling > air cooling

[@tomstech4390]

RIP 100% performance but 200% power draw of a 2 year old cpu (3 year old architecture). Epyc 9554p is 6 months old now and already kicks it down the stairs and steals its lunch money, That's not including its bigger brothers 9634 and 9654P whick blow it into the weeds for a small price increase. £10,000 for 56cores and 500w versus £13,000 for 96cores at 360w is not a hard decision. No wonder its getting the Broadwell treatment and being replaced in the next half a year.

[@chionyenkwu2253]

Massive power, but clearly not the most efficient ....

[@BullyTecg]

Me: auto babua auto babua what are you doing? Auto driver: waiting for intel stock raise to 86 atleast , I can wait at khamba forever , my daughter is unable to sell any stocks for long time, she has been roaming around for 5 years talking about intel products wearing blue saree only for intel , she is also begging around, iam praying Jogamma, oh jogamma, please help intel recover , my daughter is jobless , once your business goes back to 100 intc, she would stop her modeling and selling also , till then she has to roam Me: don't worry auto babua , i can understand your problem , why don't you do one thing , there are some contracts which people take up like washing green luna , peeing on roads , crossing women, going around with green bags , riding on bikes close to women or chakkas, villagers with lungi up , sometimes scratching their d**ks , following them , sometimes abusing also , take up such jobs , they pay around 2rs to 10rs depending upon your experience , I have seen fat uncles earning 10rs , thin uncles with big a$$ 7rs snd very thin 4rs , thin ladies 2.5 rs , kids 0.5rs , handicap 1.5rs , lots of models, there are jobs where you need fix cameras focusing into somebody house and see them day and night , after that you need to whatsapp call some gangs and they would send different models based on the images , for that they get paid 5.5rs per hour , you need to also co ordinate with watchmen residents etc for bathroom stalking , lots of fun, I have seen many participating, heard they will be getting padmavibhushan awards also for that , try that , its a permanent income job , no age limit , no caste limit , even poojari also participate along with dhobhi ji and Muslim ji. I have sent my resume to their head office, I'm sure I will get atleast 0.25 praise job , its quite interesting. Auto driver : wow that sounds very interesting , let me try that

[@overclockingdemon7179]

Leo this review sucks ! no testing on the latest games, how can we tell if its a good processor. 😡 YES, im kidding, cant believe some of the comments here. absolutely hilarious

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

its alright prob some keyword filtering enabled who knows

[@ordinarygg]

LOL 2x less power same perf old zen3 5995 lol))) garbage Xeon

[@h1tzzYT]

yes because tile rendering tasks is the only workload that exist 🤡

[@kerotomas1]

Most powerful CPU? Yeah just ignore the AMD EPYC 9000 series with up to 96 cores and 192 threads lol or even the last gen EPYC 7000 series with up to 64 cores 128 threads. (and by the way it uses more power and costs more than the latter 64 core EPYC 7000) It's like saying the RTX 4080 is the most powerful GPU while not including the 4090....

[@KitGuruTech]

Powerful, as in 495W power draw, hence the pained expression in the thumbnail. By contrast the AMD EPYC 9654 has aTDP of 360W and peaks around 420W. Leo

[@picklewiickle.1583]

something dont sit right with temps vs cooler and watts. i smell intel bs. 500 + watts and 60c from that tiny surface area from air cooled cooler.

[@KitGuruTech]

Well it's a good thing you could see the figures on screen in HWiNFO so that everything was laid out and completely transparent. Leo

[@garievolutionsoccer3218]

4ccx: like amd: fail intel: kkk we all need more L3 or infi catch like amd

[@ajingolk7716]

Intel +200 watt and less memory channel less cores 😂😂😂 and more $$$$$

[@PsGetSid_]

what is the point of the video? it is for the processional market and not private individuals who play. price is not relevant and the owner pays the net tax.companies buy ready-made PCs adapted to their needs

[@haremofprocessors6954]

well clearly there is no point for you, but its not like you are the only person on the planet.

[@harleylover9446]

@@haremofprocessors6954 lol. 🤣

[@KitGuruTech]

The price of a professional CPU isn't the main point. Added to that Intel and AMD have similar ticket prices and performance, however Intel's power consumption will rack up the TCO and that is certainly significant. Leo

[@hairsprungdutchtechnique9626]

The point of the video is to show a basic performance overview of a Xeon high end processor. Its clearly not for you to play COD on, move on.

[@PsGetSid_]

@@KitGuruTech now i understand:) thanks for answer :)

[@buteanuioan4857]

how much did intel pay you for these lies? 😂😂

[@KitGuruTech]

Did you actually watch the video or listen to the words? Leo

[@kardeon4503]

The best toaster 2023. You have to be out of your mind to buy this joke that consumes 500W to get the same performance as Threadripper "Zen 3". There is no good reason today to buy Intel Xeon. No reason! Intel is being completely destroyed in terms of performance/ power efficiency.

[@Marty_YouTuber]

honestly your right. i am waiting on 14900k but i am done with xeon cpu.