HK VP9 vs Walther PPQ

[@M3hammerdown]

I own a PPQ. I finally had a chance to shoot the VP9 side by side with it for an extended period of time. My buddy and I tested and evaluated both. We agree it's close. I prefer the cosmetics of the VP9 ever so slightly, however we both felt every function (including accuracy) favored the PPQ by a small margin and trigger was a no contest win for the PPQ. If you didn't shoot them extensively side by side you'd be thrilled with either. However, just an opinion.... We both favored the PPQ definitively at the end of the comparison. Your results may vary.

[@gutadin5]

how about reliability with hallowpoint ammos?

[@M3hammerdown]

@@gutadin5 PPQs that I have shot and owned in the course of training have eaten anything. I have switched guide rods, springs, triggers, all without a problem. A VP9 owned by one of my training partners had a lot of jams with lighter grain bullets until a long break-in with higher grain 9mm. Once it hit its groove it was also reliable. There are some good torture tests of both on other youtube videos. The VP9 didn't fair as well. Both are top notch guns, but I have experienced nothing to dissuade me from considering the PPQ to be one of the best mid-sized combat pistols available 10 years after its release. It should have gotten a significant amount more marketing and attention since day one but that is gun industry politics.

[@zanelittlegray]

@@M3hammerdown Yeah, it's really strange how Walther continues to be a bit of a "dark horse" compared to the other brand-leaders in spite of Walther's history with the James Bond series, Hitler, etc. I own the PPS and the PPQ .45 SD and they are both what I'd call "super-guns" because of their overall ultimate quality. NutNFancy calls his Walther PPQ long-slide his "sniper pistol" because of its accuracy. The NutNFancy PPQ long-slide youtube video review is awesome btw. He always goes out into the high desert and does war games with all the gear he's presenting. He's worth subscribing to [and so is Justin Opinion IMO].

[@M3hammerdown]

@zanelittlegray try a PDP. Best of everything. PPQ in .45 had more recoil than my other .45s, which was emphasized by the higher bore axis. That gun would be the outlier in the family that I would pass on. 9mm is not noticeable.

[@zanelittlegray]

@@M3hammerdown I'd love to own a PDP. My next gun on my wish-list is the no-longer-made Beretta 950 Jetfire. It's only .25ACP and is a mouse-gun, but oh what a ton of fun it can supply! I'd also like to have a Walther PPK - not to carry, but because of the history behind it. But you're right, I definitely need to try the PDP. Who knows, eventually Walther might offer it in .45 like they did with PPQ.

[@1mack4241]

I own both guns and love both. I'll never get rid of either gun. I like them that much. Sold my M&P and XDM after shooting these two. I honestly shoot the VP9 slightly better as of now. The gun you shoot better should be the gun you choose if you only plan to own one of these two quality firearms. You really can't go wrong with either one!

[@ajamico]

You seemed to shoot more accurate with the PPQ. Excellent video. No bias, no boring dialogue that has nothing to do with the video. Thank you for not wasting my time like most gun videos. 2 thumbs up!

[@MrBulletpoints]

I watched this video and commented on it before, but I gotta say again, this is a great super thorough comparison. Really well done.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

MrBulletpoints Thanks very much! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment - again! :)

[@MrBulletpoints]

:-)

[@IYHuckleberry]

Great job of comparing and contrasting these pistols. I bought both the PPQ and VP9 within a month of one another, but kept the PPQ and sold the VP9 four months later. I think the PPQ 's trigger was the deciding factor for me. It appears my PPQ trigger might have less pre-travel than yours, and combined with the lighter pull and short reset, the PPQ always performed better for me than the VP9 on paper targets . I actually like the looks of the VP9 better and appreciated the minimal recoil and flip compared to the PPQ. Also, I really liked the charging handles and the smaller European mag paddles and hope that more manufactures start implementing both. I would buy a smaller version of the P9 should H&K manufacture one similar to the newly released smaller P30 design.

[@shanesmith2358]

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[@rb10069]

Great video!!! I own and love both guns!!! However, I favor the VP9!!!!

[@elir9990]

If you look at the back straps of each gun, the VP9's hump sits a little higher, giving you a quicker higher grip and better control and softer recoil on shots, where the trigger breaks is also a plus for the VP9. My duty weapon is a Glock 22 and edc is the g19, I have the PPQ m1, M&P9, G17 and FNS 9, the VP9 is the best gun I've shot of the group. If it was the same size as my G19 it would be my edc. FYI there are plenty of torture test on Glocks failing, they have never failed me, neither has the VP9. If you want to film a torture test, and you try hard enough you will get any gun to look bad.

[@82luft49]

Justin Opinion: I found your review to be exceptionally better than most of the mundane gun reviews on KZbin. I found myself transfixed by your comparison of both pistols. I was so impressed with your in depth knowledge of firearms that I just subscribed to your channel.

[@walterhwhite109]

I had a VP9, but the honeymoon ended quickly. Too many things I didn't like about it. I finally came across a PPQ the other day and I was extremely impressed. The trigger felt great. And it fit my hand like a glove. It's on my list. Thanks for the great video. Keep it up.

[@taedragon1270]

That is literally what went on my head when I picked up mine yesterday!!

[@dabawla]

I has both. lOve dem both. Trigger and slide stop PPQ wins. Just about everything else I think the VP9 has it beat IMHO. I'd take the HK if I had to choose one. Honestly though for me they pretty much perform the exact same. When I really run them hard the differences feel negligible.

[@sdjohnston67]

Great review! I have the PPQ and love it. I test fired both of them at a range before making a purchase decision, and found that I did have a tendency to ride the slide release with my thumb on the VP9. It's amazing to me how nice it is to shoot the PPQ.

[@gutadin5]

is the PPQ really accurate under 3 inch groups and reliable?

[@jimrodriguez8047]

The important dimension for trigger reach is the dimension at the break. That’s where you’ll see the difference with the PPQ pulling further to the rear before it breaks than the VP9. It’s subjective but for me, having the trigger break further forward increases my accuracy/ precision. The farther back I have to pull the trigger the more chance I’m going to pull to the left as a right hand shooter.

[@christopher2327]

One of the best, professional reviews, I love the camera angle you got when comparing the sights! Great camera setup and quality!

[@amaya1000rr]

Even though I have little interest in either of these pistols, I still found your review very entertaining and informative. 👍 Great Job!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

amaya1000rr Well, since I don't get a commission from either manufacturer - thanks! I appreciate that you watched anyway and took the time to comment. :-)

[@ScreamingSkullSaloon]

I have owned my PPQ M2 Navy since August 2014 and have lost no love for it. I have handled and dry fired the HK VP9 (After asking permission at the gun store first of course) and really like the ergonomics and trigger on the VP9. I do like the trigger reset slightly better on the PPQ but the VP9 is still awesome. I really hope that H&K comes out with a HK VP45. I used to own an HK45 (not USP model) and loved everything about it except the cheap feeling manual Safety/Decocker and "spongy" trigger. I would buy a HK VP45 in a heartbeat if they ever release it.

[@alpha2957]

Good way to put it. Opinions are subtle and subjective, indeed! On the other hand, I LOVE both Guns! Can't go wrong with either one! 💯💯👍👍👍

[@windyrun7979]

Others have mentioned this but I still need to say it again: this is an excellent review. Best I have ever seen. Thank you for posting.

[@Messier87_M87]

I just got the H&K VP9 from Santa Claus for Christmas and one of the biggest things I noticed was how un-diciplined you can get with the trigger and still be accurate. I've never experienced this in my whole entire time shooting different firearms. Great job comparing the triggers. Very helpful!

[@jasonziter]

Easily the best most comprehensive, objective, comparison of both pistols on youtube. Great work. You even hit the one handed charging sights issue that I wish I would have noticed before purchasing the VP9 although I'm not sure it would have changed my choice. Thanks for your time.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

+Jay Skeetor Thanks for the comment!

[@lani198as]

Best comparison video!!! Really enjoy your productions. People, and other reviewers seem to forget about the PPQ When they test the VP9, and also when they test the Canik TP9 SA. And they praise the "new" guns like revolutionary when they are not. The VP9 is good, but i believe the PPQ is slightly better, and the Canik is a PPQ copy...

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

lani198as Thanks much.

[@wellsbibo6175]

I've owned the VP9 (sold it) and I currently own the PPQ M2 Navy. I simply don't see how the VP9 is the "better" or "higher quality" gun that some folks purport. In fact, I am of the opposite opinion. Firearm preference is certainly no objective measure; however, the trigger pull on the PPQ is noticeably smoother and has a much shorter reset. Also, I, for the life of me, cannot understand how HK thought their cheap right-side slide stop was a good move. Ambidextrous features are good in theory, but I think HK failed to execute on the quality that their brand suggests (much like the loose fitting levers that permeate their current line-up). It looks and feels like an afterthought. In my opinion, the Walther PPQ supersedes the VP9 in design and quality. To each his own, though. I'm sure this comment will rustle some feathers. With all of that said, I'm considering giving the VP9 another go. In no way do I think it is a "bad" gun. I just expected more, I guess.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

+Wells Bibo All good points. I'd recommend trying the VP40 if you venture back... there's just something about it...

[@wellsbibo6175]

+Justin Opinion I stopped by my LGS today and handled the VP9 again. Oddly, I was very impressed. HK appears to have fixed the trigger on the newer VPs. Time to start setting money aside...

[@geebee3563]

+Wells Bibo I agree with you. I bought the VP9 due to internet reviews. I found it to be inferior to the Walther PPX. The PPX is just 1 step below the PPQ in Walther's line. I'm getting rid of the VP9 & getting the PPQ in either 9mm or 45ACP. The PPX trigger is like heaven. It is soooo smooth & crisp there is nothing compatible. Word has it that the PPQ is just as good or even better. VP9 is the inferior weapon. I agree with Wells Bibo.

[@spacebear49]

Completely agree. I always thought the VP9 was an overpriced copy of the PPQ with inferior construction. Maybe that is unfair, but that's my impression based on handling it and what I know about the construction of both.

[@Unam469]

I don’t trust anybody who doesn’t know the idiom ruffle some feathers.

[@MrBulletpoints]

Really good comparison video. I would be happy with either of these great guns.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

MrBulletpoints Thanks!

[@Morrow45105]

Thank you for doing the trigger reach measurements. The first I've found that does it..The tip of my trigger finger isnt with me anymore so this is an important measurement for me

[@FNPNick]

I have both pistols. I've had my PPQ for nearly 2 years and I just picked up my VP9 yesterday. My initial impressions is that the PPQ has a MUCH lighter trigger break, but the reset is very close. The VP9 had some creep at first, but after dry firing it a bit, the creep is going away. The PPQs break is like breaking a VERY thin icicle. Whereas the VP9 is like breaking a big, fat carrot. Both are crisp, but the PPQ is the clear winner in trigger. Granted, the VP9s trigger will break in more the more I shoot it. So, I won't cast too much judgement at this point. The PPQ also feels a tad more comfortable in hand to me, but I haven"t played around with the grip combinations for the VP9 yet, so my opinion may change on that. The one area I believe the VP9 wins though, is build quality. The VP9 just seems to be slightly better made. It's more tight for sure. All in all, both are great and I can't say which one I prefer until I have some range time through the VP9. Thanks for your review Justin!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

SIG-504 Funny, because someone recently mentioned that "people were saying" the VP9 wasn't up to the normal H&K quality... and I disagreed with that. I think they are both very well manufactured - I see your point about the VP9, but it's a close call. Thanks for the comments!

[@FNPNick]

I agree with you. I have experience with a P2000 and a USP. The VP9 seems every bit as solid as those. I think some die hard HK fans look down on it simply because of the economical price tag. It's trigger is certainly an upgrade to most other HK pistols. FWIW, interestingly enough, I also own a Walther P99 AS and the build quality on my example of one, is just about equal to the VP9 IMO. It's just a little tighter than the PPQ. It's really a subjective thing though as they are all superb. Keep up the good work!

[@roberttosa2560]

This is the best comparison on KZbin. Well done. Very informative and educational. Thanks ..

[@spetersonmusic]

This is the best comparison/contrast video of these two I've ever seen. Thoughtful, intelligent and very informative.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

***** Thanks!!

[@jamespetry3337]

A+ Review! I was going back and fourth on which of these great firearms to purchase. I ended up buying the HK VP9 today. Cannot wait to get to the range with this BAD BOY! Greatly Appreciate all your reviews!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

+James Petry Thanks very much. I think you'll be happy with the VP9! Enjoy!!

[@jamespetry3337]

No Problem! Thank You Sir!

[@augustusheyliger6421]

I have had both..the trigger on the PPQ ..was not good enough to over come the recoil because of that high bore axis..I like the ergos and balance of the VP9..

[@72cmcinc]

Excellent job on this one! I have debated about the VP9, my PPQ is among my favs of all my pistols. I think down the road I may get the VP9, but am extremely happy with the PPQ, just a few other wants ahead of the VP9!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thanks for being such a loyal viewer! You're always very kind with your comments.

[@mrarmbar2]

Thanks for a great vid. I have both but prefer the PPQ due to the trigger reset. I have failed to reset the trigger a couple of times with the VP9 while doing hammer pairs. Thanks again!

[@abyss1232]

Very thorough video and you definitely added to the debate for me on which one to choose! And the double handed rapid fire was AWESOME! Good job. Thanks!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

abyss1232 Thanks much. And best of luck on the decision. (Hint: you can't make a wrong choice)

[@v.german11b]

Undoubtedly, both pistols are outstanding modern combat handguns. I own a Walther PDP, but I wouldn't mind to own a H&K VP9. You cannot go wrong with either! It's like Mercedes Benz or BMW... it's a matter of personal preference.

[@a.d.c7941]

I have to pick the h&k just on looks alone. It is silly, but they are both so good that its the only thing I can narrow it down too. I HATE the look of the walther logo on the ppq. It looks like something you’d see on a bag of popcorn at a carnival or something lol. Idk thats all I got. The h&k for sure.

[@edhighend]

There are many personal preference aspects of a firearm (best trigger reset, most ergonomic grip, weight, trigger pull, sexy looks, etc.) However the benefit of VP9-Polygonal rifling over PPQ-conventional “lands-and-grooves” rifling as far as quality is that Cold-hammer forged barrels are made from CANNON grade steel with polygonal rifling are more durable, stronger, easier to clean, and retain their accuracy much longer than any other barrel. Justin,thank you for comparison.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

You're welcome!

[@bdm1000]

Awesome! I've been waiting for you to do this comparison and you didn't disappoint. Great job. I do have a couple of questions though, and pardon me if I missed the info as I was making breakfast during part of the video. First, do you notice a difference in recoil, recoil pulse, and/or muzzle flip? Second, do you feel one grip is grippier than the other? I know you mentioned the swells were helpful on the PPQ, but I know some reviewers felt the VP9 was more aggressive. In other words, does the texture or shape give the advantage to either pistol? Lastly, I understand you'd be equally happy, confident, and effective using either pistol, but if you were going to split hairs, and consider what Nutnfancy calls first and second kinds of cool, and the government was going to take all your guns away save for one pistol--and it had to be either a VP9 or a PPQ--which one would you, as subjective of a choice it may be, keep and why? lol

[@3232dbz]

Nice comparison. I'm a big VP40 fan at this point. I tried to like the PPQ 9mm, but the HK just fit me better. I do plan on getting a PPQ 45 though since HK is vague at best regarding a possible VP45.

[@TennesseeLelands]

Great comparison video! I too have watched a ton of videos on both of these. Thank you for an honest and as unbiased of a review as you could muster. It's pretty easy to tell which fan base a reviewer is for wether HK or Walter the deeper they get into it. However I really felt you gave me a fair and honest comparison. thank you. BTW, is that a private indoor range? If so, would love to see more about its construction.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thanks much. I try not to take myself too seriously and sometimes just act silly - but in the end my objective is to add some value and provide some good information. As my name suggests, I'm not afraid to say what I think, but I do try to have rationale to put those opinions in context. That range is part of a private club, but I don't know much about its construction aside from the obvious.

[@wtf-wirtestenfeuerwaffen5063]

Great comparison again! Really like your channel and appreciate your professional work! In my Opinion the VP9 is a pretty good striker fired Pistol to have BUT for me (already have a ppq) theres no reason to change. IMHO the PPQ trigger feels just a little bit bether. If someone do not have a a ppq, it would be a hard choice between the two :) Kind regards from austria!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Agree completely. Thanks for the comment, and I envy you the view that must exist out your window!

[@sjmiller6012]

Two interesting and helpful bits of info. One is the groove in the vp9 trigger guard. Second is the longer, thicker base plate on the newer PPQ mags. You did not mention that mag is listed as a 15 + 2 capacity. Thanks for a thorough review/comparison.

[@alexmar1382]

I use the PPQ M2 for competition and its extremely accurate and fast. The grip ergonomics and the smooth quick trigger reset attributes to it’s greatness.

[@gutadin5]

what caliber? is it accurate and reliable with defense ammo?

[@alexmar1382]

@@gutadin5 9mm. The average person that’s well trained will be accurate due to its lighter & smooth trigger system. It’s very reliable because it was built for competition, especially with defense ammo.

[@gutadin5]

@@alexmar1382 are you talking about the PPQ 5 Match ? I'm asking the pistol above PPQ M2

[@alexmar1382]

@@gutadin5 Yes, I was talking about the PPQ Match; But I do own the M2 and it was my first competition gun and it's very similar to the Match and use the same magazine. Besides the slide cuts and blue trigger shoe and fiber optic sights it's almost the same gun. In fact I can even inter- change slides and frame and it'll fit and function just fine. The match have a slightly lighter trigger however, but not much. Home defense or competition; M2 will perform great.

[@TA-ht4jo]

@@gutadin5 all the PPQ I have seen to buy use .22LR calibers

[@FrankPSF]

Agreed! I’m blessed enough to own both, a Walther Q5 March and an HK VP9 Match. The Q5 was a dream gun for me, it is superb in every way. But then I got my hands on the VP9. Stylistically the VP9 Match wins hands down. It might be the extra 1/2 inch of barrel and those beautiful slide cuts. After using the stochastic texture on the VP9, I find the texture of the Walther a bit comical - but both are fine. The Q5 is an extremely accurate machine. The VP9 is a superbly accurate machine! Again it might be because of that extra 1/2 inch barrel and added site radius. I find I also prefer the paddle release on the. VP9. And of course there is nothing like the Walther trigger. Anyone should be pleased to own either of these pistols. Just my opinion … the VP9 Match is struggling tp become my favorite, and I think it’s winning ground.

[@chipsmith317]

Lots of valuable information. I appreciate your attention to detail both in the review and the video production.

[@trubadyr99]

VP9 is having better grip adjustability: back sides and side panels are replaceable. There are three sizes of them available. What's important regarding the side panels is that you could install them in different sizes at different sides of your gun. Say: a large side panel at the right side and a small, or medium one at the left. This way you could make excellent VP9 grip to be very hand-filling and unique.

[@ACMAGNUM1]

Excellent comparison my friend, the best video comparison out there. Two things I would like to mention, you know from our previous correspondence that I own a ppq m1 classic, paddle mag release since 2011 and when the vp9 came out rented one and did an extensive comparison. Walther still produces the m1 classic paddle mag release version and it is available, and you forgot to mention that the other Walther mags you found are extended and are 17 rounds mags as there are only 15 round mags available for the vp9. My conclusion was that both are extremely high quality German made pistols that will both serve you well , and this debate will simply come down to preference. In my opinion the ppq has a better trigger and better and shorter reset, the vp9 had slightly less muzzle flip. So seeing as you can get them both with the paddle mag release, those are the only significant differences between the two pistols. Again which ever one you choose you will be well served. For me I prefer my ppq ,and I am well vested in mags and other gear and simply prefer the trigger and reset of the ppq. Thanks for posting such an excellent comparison video.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

ACMAGNUM1 Thanks for the great comments. Actually, the magazine I showed for the PPQ is still just a 15-round, but has an extended baseplate on it. And yes, the M1 is still available and mags are NOT interchangeable, as most of us know. And of course, to purchase H&K mags of any kind, you must first submit a credit application and references. Your conclusions and mine dovetail pretty well. Thanks again!

[@ACMAGNUM1]

Justin Opinion Correct, the m1 mags will not work in the m2. That is one reason why I would not buy the 5 inch m2 ,because I have a lot of m1 mags, 15 and 17 rounders. Myself and others who really prefer the m1 paddle mag release wish Walther would make a ppq m1 5 inch for those 2 reasons , previously purchased a ton of mags and mag release preference. Someone had previously commented about the BT guide rod, yes, I replaced mine and the small weight difference does slightly help reduce the muzzle flip. I truly do love my Walther ppq m1 classic in 9mm.

[@garymiller5789]

HKparts.net came out with a 15 round extension for the VP9, so the VP9 is capable of 30+1 rounds. I have 2 30 round mags and they work flawless in my P30 and P30LS.

[@brokosok]

If you like a nice trigger there is no comparison PPQ WINS! PPQ destroys HK on price again no comparison

[@JohnDoeEagle1]

In the polymer world I am definately a GLOCK dominated guy and own 19 GLOCK pistols covering most of their lineup. I also own 3 S&W M&P pistols. I am going to buy "something" else to add to them in the future. I've read and watched all kinds of reviews on the Walther PPQ M1 and M2 with nothing but praise given to them. I was pretty sure how my decision was going to go until I saw and handled both a M1 and M2 this last weekend at the gun show. To my supprize they were "clunky" built and didn't fit my hand worth a damn. Granted I haven't fired one yet, but this initial impression didn't impress me much being a GLOCK and M&P owner already. The HK VP9 sitting near them on the other hand did. It felt much much better and looks better too. HK build quality was top notch so no worries there either. I also think the resale value and customer support with the availability of parts will be better on the HK. I haven't fully made up my mind for sure yet, so I am not going to buy either until I do. However at the present time it is leaning more towards the HK VP9. I just think it is a better overall pistol in general from what I have seen and discovered so far. One thing is for sure, BOTH of these pistols have some pretty big shoes to fill when compared to the tried and true GLOCK line of pistols. I've been a GLOCK owner and shooter since the early 1990's. I had 8 S&W M&P pistols and am down to just 3 now. The other 5 didn't hang in the same league as my GLOCKs, so I sold them off keep only the 3 that have proven themselves as stellar examples. GLOCKs don't vary nearly as much as other pistols do from "great" to "good" to "bad" to "lemon". They are pretty consistent and you rarely get one with a lousy accuracy problem that can't be corrected by adjusting sights. The others.....hmmmm.....you take your chances and pay your money rolling the dice. It's a gamble and also why I rarely ever buy used guns secondhand. Someone unloaded that firearm for a reason usually. I also keep that in mind when considering buying one used. Unless I am pretty confident the owner was just in a financial "situation" and had to sell for "financial" reasons....I usually just PASS!! Let some other guy buy your lemon or turd..........

[@61zulu77]

I replaced the sear spring in my VP9 with a match spring set and dropped the trigger pull to 4 lbs 3 oz.

[@bamaboyphoto22]

justin, living in Massachusetts, where the ppq is not compliant on our AG list, I have only shot the VP9. I love the trigger on it, so I'm sure I'd lose my mind shooting the ppq. great vidio. thanks for the thorough comparison. stay safe.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

+Michael Fay Thanks, you too.

[@daleyoung87]

I got both. IMO, the VP9 is a better gun. The PPQ is a great one in all reguards, the VP9 is just better.

[@a.d.c7941]

SkyVector Aerial I have to agree with you.

[@timg6428]

excellent review and great style of reviewing. I'll absolutely subscribe.

[@bungalobill7941]

The PPQ with the APEX Flat Face Trigger installed is about the best trigger I could imagine on a striker pistol. It is about like firing the pistol from the reset point on every shot.

[@Blindsyde5762]

I feel the HK VP9 is ever so slightly more handsome, but I'd still go with a PPQ if I had to choose. Trigger Trump's a slightly better aesthetic.

[@TA-ht4jo]

The Walther PPQ is the superior weapon. Some might argue that it’s superior to the Glock

[@IamShrimple]

Years later and HK still hasn't made the smart move to offer a button mag release version like Walther did. Not saying it's the right choice, but people like options. Walther was very smart to offer the M2 version. I tried both side-by-side and ended up with what I personally believe to be a superior product and thankfully had the option to get the M2 button release which i prefer.

[@MrHav1k]

PPQ for me simply because the VP9 is a bit too big for what I'd need it for. I want a ~G19 sized gun and the PPQ just barely fits that profile. The VP9 is a hair too big. It's fractions of an inch, but it makes a difference. The PPQ also has a better trigger.

[@ChrisB-zz8dh]

Way to picky dude. Jeez!!

[@MrHav1k]

@@ChrisB-zz8dh I know right, so picky!!! I obviously didn't take my own advice though because I saw a great deal on a P229 and snagged that instead.

[@ChrisB-zz8dh]

@@MrHav1k P229 are awesome also. Nice choice. I want one also. Have these 2 but still need more. Try the P320, they are awesome.

[@justnotherdoomas2845]

Excellent review of the HK / Walther, so I decided to buy both..!! Your Videos are a nice blend of details (of what most people think to ask about in a gun ) and Excellent dry humor... keep it up... By the way what song is that playing at the end ( I see you found it on Pond5 ) but I can't seem to find it as its a PERFECT song to shoot too... thanks a bunch..

[@Notesial]

HK is definitely on to something with those charging paddles. However FN did it earlier with the 5.7. But HK made it "optional", because the paddles can be removed isn't it? It's a fine touch of innovative production.

[@jimhaselmaier2075]

One of the best videos I've seen - ever. Fantastic detail. Thanks for the effort you put into putting this together - including the editing! I'm sure it took a lot of work. With other videos I'm frequently left wondering some detail that doesn't get covered. That didn't happen in this one. Thanks a lot!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Jim Haselmaier Thanks a lot for the compliment. I try to make what I'd want to see...

[@jerrycohencohen8901]

Going to buy the PPQ

[@Dinoxt12]

Excellent Video...one of the best review I've watch on the tube.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

The longer the PDP is out the more I like the old PDP.

[@donaldkjenstad1129]

The PPQ Classic has the same paddle Mag release also.

[@andrewlabat9963]

Which one to get? Well, which one you prefer.. we're curing hairs to two top end pistols.. a couple of the best in their category.. so get the one YOU prefer..??

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

Excellent video! Thoughtful, informative, and filmed well.

[@freddieslaughter1107]

Not much difference in the two, but the HK VP9 is quite a bit more expensive

[@dacritter8397]

Excellent comparison. Exactly what I was looking for.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Da Critter Thank you for commenting! Glad it was helpful.

[@boss350z5]

i just got the ppq m2 long slide... that is the best striker fire trigger I've ever fired... my only gripe is the grip isn't quite as long as i would prefer; but that was remedied by purchasing Walther's 15+2 mags with the grip extension... well make that 2 gripes, because those mags were $45 a piece; but hk mags can run double that... i actually traded my vp9 to purchase the ppq m2...

[@spaceman063]

Excellent comparison, I like both fire arms and because of your detailed description you have made it much harder now to choose which one to actually get! thanks a lot (lol)

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

We still have some membership cards available for the "One Of Each Club". :)

[@wyldeman100]

having a heck of a time choosing. my mind is telling me ppq m1 but something about how the vp9 looks just tickles my taint

[@vtec1277]

Nice comparison. Thanks for the video. Do you feel one is more snappier than the other on the recoil?

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

vtec1277 I think the PPQ is ever-so-slightly snappier in terms of felt recoil and muzzle rise - but on such a small scale that I still consider them pretty equal in that regard. It is also somewhat subjective because different gripping styles will make a difference.

[@oscardelta1257]

I believe you should buy firearms that have similar controls, in comparison Glock and the PPQ M2 have similar mag releases, if you train with one type of firearm its best to stick with firearms that have similar controls, in a stressful situation that could mean the difference between life or death! If you pull the mag out of each firearm and turn each firearm upside down you will see a major difference, the polymer walls are considerably thicker on the grip of the PPQ around the magwell as where HK seems to have skimped in that area, yet the PPQ is slightly is lighter. The PPQ M2 can use 15rd or 15+2rd mags, VP9 has 15rd capacity. More welds are visible on the VP9. The locking block area of the VP9 is clearly stamped and welded at the seams. The PPQ uses a solid, one piece machined locking block for their system, additionally, the VP9 uses a number of spot welds to attach its components. The Slide Release shows the first of these welds at the joint. The PPQ M2 uses a bolt so tell me again who ran out the door on a Friday...lol. There is a lot more going on in the guts of the VP9 trigger system, there is twisted wire inside attached to the trigger bar as where the PPQ uses a much simpler Glock like design and much more end user friendly to work on. VP9 is a bit "blocker" than the PPQ M2 so I think the PPQ M2 has a sleeker design. The PPQ M2 rear sight has a shelf so if you lose the use of one hand you can use it to rack the slide with a finger or against a surface instead of the "ear" system that the VP9 uses. VP9 cost slightly more than the PPQ M2. While I'm not dissing the VP9, IMO the PPQ seems to be a bit better quality and overall engineered a bit better. If you need to have something major done to the HK good luck finding a certified HK gunsmith. Both are made in Germany and are fine reliable handguns though. Thats my two cents...

[@sweaterdood1203]

+Oscar Delta I believe that this operator bull is just that, bull. I can pick up either of my carry guns, a PPQ M2 or my PPS with paddle release, and never even have to think about the magazine release. Personally I prefer the paddle and never felt any kind of learning curve. There is no difference in mag change speed either. The other thing is that if you need to have a magazine change in a life or death situation, outside of wartime, then you probably (99.999% of the time) should have made a better choice in what situation you have place yourself into. That said I agree that the PPQ is a higher quality gun that outperforms the VP9 for a slightly lower price.

[@oscardelta1257]

Sweater Dood You is a real bad ass, hope you is right if the day comes and you wind up in an actual life and death situation... You speak as you are going to be in everyone's shoes at any given moment. I believe you're full of keyboard commando crap...lol

[@sweaterdood1203]

How am I a keyboard commando when l say that a feature on a pistol is intuitive and that l dont subscribe to the "operator" crap. Or that avoidance of an adverse situation is the best option. I think you have misinterpreted my statement. Not to memtion that wishing an ill fated situation on someone is seriously uncool.

[@oscardelta1257]

Sweater Dood My reply post said nothing about wishing an ill fated situation, you have a reading comprehension problem... Of course avoidance is always best unfortunately that isn't always an option AND if someone did have a need to use more than one magazine in a stressful situation and unless YOU have personally been in a stressful situation how in the hell are YOU going to know if YOU or another person will not fail to eject a mag by reaching for the wrong area to eject it? According to what YOU said, people should only have a need for one magazine because no one will ever need to load a spare magazine in a firearm unless they are in a war zone...I assume by your post you only carry one magazine then... Nothing in my original post even remotely suggested about people needing to be an "operator". A good portion of people go to the range to train and build muscle memory in the event they may actually have to use their firearm to defend themselves or others, however, if a situation occurs out in the real world, its not going to play out like being at the range AND that was the point of my post but YOU took as "operator" BS...I hope you never have test your theory in a real situation...

[@equattlebaum24eq]

Thanks Justin,this helped me on deciding what to get,a Great Review

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

+Emmett Quattlebaum Awesome, man! Very glad I could help.

[@seedood]

Great video. Thanks. I need to get me a VP9.

[@ckherring82]

I have vp9 tactical gift from wife brother has 3 we both shoot competion. Plus I'm an leo instructor and been to many schools I slightly prefer it for accessories plus metal sights. But I also own ppq 5 inch again wife knows I like long slides. We estimated the ppq to be 1 lbs lighter but hk crisper. Now to m1 or m2, as instructor I teach shoot with them plus other instructors. I like the paddle release but have seen under stress some accidental discharges with it. Unless you really train and work with one real platform... I believe trigger finger has one job. Swat s.r.t and other trigger pullers not an issue. But hey its reliable I shot 100 rounds yes it's an issue. I should note my duty guns are ed brown and nighthawk but as instructor I must be good with other platforms. Walther will not compete for contracts or advertising versuses hk new headquarters in u.s. both beat glock or s&w or xd in my opinion. But buy a glock you want aftermarket or holsters no comparison I'm also a ffl I sell more hk vp9 guns by just saying play with them. What I'm mad about why no u.s. company listens and competes. I want good trigger accurate reliable and fits my hand. You want 1911 heres many. Oh heres an varying quality plastic fantastic and we blued it... um bluing doesnt equal reliable nonrustung. Its frustrating s&w could build it but doesn't but walther or glock here it is despite being in countries no guns self defense and hard to get.

[@FREEYSLTHUGGER]

One of the best comparisons!

[@stevengibau3463]

for those that may want more rounds all canik tp9 magazines fit the Walter ppq that mag has a 18 round capacity made by mec gar

[@electroniccheeks]

Excellent review. Even though I'm not in the market for either firearm I appreciate your hard work in producing this great comparison. Now, do you have any experience with the STI Spartan in 45? Now this is the firearm I'm in the market for.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Captain Chaos Thanks! Don't have any experience with the Spartan myself but a friend is a big STI guy and shoots them in matches. Haven't heard anything but praise...

[@electroniccheeks]

Justin Opinion Understood. That's what I've been reading.

[@Dacos127]

PPQ all the way

[@D52M5]

I love both guns, but this video is best used for putting the kids to sleep rather than a gun review.

[@DaedalEVE]

HK because I prefer the paddle mag release. Can’t believe the Walther doesn’t have it. My P22 had it, so did my USP. Love the paddle.

[@mauricejones6467]

The M1 version does and it's damn near exactly the same as the M2

[@williamgrissom1995]

Great comparison review. If I could afford it, I would buy the VP9 and upgrade the trigger if needed. But on my budget I will likely buy the CZ P-10c. It looks like they have the bugs worked out an it might be even better, but I do love the looks of that H&K and those paddle mag releases seems pretty cool to me. Lol🤣 Thanks for the video. 😎👍

[@YeuLaKho]

both are very good guns. PPQ has more muzzle flip. but very accurate.

[@ShootingMOA]

Excellent video and comparison. Subscribed!

[@MRFUANK69]

Hi someone know where I can buy the toy ducks appeared at the intro?

[@tkarlmann]

One thing you failed to mention is the narrowness of the handgrip near the top. From the video, the VP9 is quite a bit narrower there, the PPQ does not have this. I am, right now, a fan of the PPQ, however, I do need to compare them both. I think I'll go with PPQ because of the trigger. PPQ also has a 5" barrel version.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

I also failed to mention how thick the foam in the box is. Can't cover every possible specification or detail.

[@tkarlmann]

+Justin Opinion Touchy, are we? Does that handgrip thickness at the top create any different feel to the gun?

[@chrisf247]

I think it makes a difference actually, the VP9 backstraps don't go as far up as the PPQ's. If you have big hands and really want to increase the trigger reach it is definitely something to keep in mind.

[@122Music1]

Don't the StagHorn inscriptions indicate Walther technology? On the VP9? Who engineered the VP9? Stag horns speak of Walther.

[@DCopp]

Excellent job on this thorough video

[@kenbrownlee4170]

Very detailed review Well done!

[@busa03]

Great review. Thanks

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Armando Rey You're welcome! Thanks for commenting!

[@NeptuneBluez]

Excellent review as always. Justin, your channel deserves more views and subscribers because you present yourself with an objectivity approach in all your reviews. Many firearm related channels on KZbin aren't and many are too subjective due to their "fanboy syndrome", which is quite annoying, at least to me. Personally, I love all guns and this great to see that you think the same way as I do. Keep up the good work and thank you for your efforts in order to produce quality content for firearm enthusiasts. I own a PPQ, gen. 1 and I am on the verge to get a VP9. Here in Europe the VP9 is labelled as the SFP9 (Special Force Pistol 9) and is available in black and desert tan. Greeting from Switzerland. It looks like you have more snow than we do.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Neptune Bluez Thanks much! I appreciate that kind feedback.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Jonathan Spear Thanks! You must not get enough channels or something... ;-)

[@1spiderbesider]

Great video! I am on the fence with both of these gunsI should just buy them both. Wishful thinking ! I do want to get the VP40and the Sig 227 tacops full size. And so it goes I am hopeless but well armed I hope !

[@swompy5146]

Muzzle flip?

[@lsuvorov1]

I shot a lot both including different models. For full framed/mid size I'd give an edge to Walther PPQ M2 but if we go down to subcompact version - HK VP9SK vs. Walther PPQ M2 SC, PPS M2 or CCP M2 - HK wins also by notable margin

[@damonallen3322]

I own the PPQ M2, VP9, VP 40 & P30.i like them all. All the gun folks I know insist that I need a G19. Just cause, well, "it's a Glock and I don't have any. What are your thoughts? Great review btw. I try to watch all of yours and Hikock45's.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Damon Allen Thanks much for the comment, and for watching! Sounds like you're a bit of a collector anyway - so I'd chime in and say you should consider adding a G19 to the collection. Apples and Oranges compared to the HK's, but a time proven performer and a masterpiece of simplicity. Just an Opinion of course!

[@SchnorxBB]

Best review ever, thanks!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@retthok]

I enjoy your channel. I purchased the PPQ M1 9mm a few months back and couldn't be happier. You have tested quite a number of pistols; which of your pistols has the shortest, cleanest, and most enjoyable trigger (after the PPQ) out of the box? I'm thinking about my next purchase. Thanks

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

+retthok Striker fired, or any? Probably striker to make it a worthwhile comparison. Otherwise nothing can touch the 1911 I built myself.

[@retthok]

+Justin Opinion Out of the box, striker fired, shortest, crispest reset. What do you like the best, after the PPQ?

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

retthok First thing that comes to mind is the Canik TP9 SA. That trigger is amazing, and might even be better than the PPQ. Hey, do I smell a future comparison??

[@retthok]

Thanks for the input.

[@theroadhound]

Excellent and professional review

[@MyTube4Utoo]

An excellent comparison.

[@trod286]

Very good comparison.Nice video.

[@johndavis8690]

Just bought ppq 9...love it.

[@daveirvin9314]

I realize that this is an old review, but when you discussed the longer PPQ magazine you didn't clarify that it also carries 2 more rounds making it a 17 plus 1 capacity.

[@windyrun7979]

If you look at the video the "witness" holes only show 15 rounds total