HM206 Hornby Caprotti Black 5 in OO gauge

[@hornbymag]

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[@jbhtrams]

Listen to comments about the stock and you'll sell them; except for the rich prices!

[@LNER985]

@@jbhtrams Clearly you don't realize that Hornby magazine is a different company to Hornby Railways.

[@jbhtrams]

@@LNER985 I do know that. My message was to be passed on to the other lad from Hornby!

[@aberfordwest4003]

What happened there?

[@hornbymag]

@@jbhtrams If you're referring to Ben, he doesn't work for Hornby Model Railways either. Please send any feedback to Hornby Model Railways via their website, as nothing that gets posted here is passed on to them.

[@FormallyknownasE100]

Surprised to see Mike not on this video as he’s been waiting for one for ages!

[@mattjackson8226]

Very interesting to see you are having the same issues as me with the loco not being able to haul a decant load. I hope that I can add some weight to mine

[@stuartaaron613]

Several railroads in the United States tried Caprotti valve gear back in the late 1920's with limited success. All were converted to conventional valve gear after a few years. When Caprotti visited the United States he is said to have exclaimed "Your trains pull houses, not cars!"

[@levelcrossing150]

One of my favourite locos. I remember both Stanier versions of the Caprotti Valve Gear running on the North Wales Coast Mainline line. You have to see one in it's flesh to get the impact of how different and impressive they really were. It's such a shame none were saved from the cutters torch, they would have been a terrific sight today and so different from any other engine I know. Perhaps a newbuild or rebuild would be something for the current day engine builders in the future.

[@crewelocoman5b161]

There's a Riddles BR Standard Caprotti Class 5 73129 based at the Butterley Midland Railway Centre in working order. It is almost identical to the Ivatt Stanier Black 5 in every respect including the high running plate. 44686/7. Built in 1951they anticipated the look of the BR Standards and were a more successful application of the rotary cam principle of steam distribution than Ivatt's earlier batches. Towards the end of steam they ended up on the North Wales to Manchester and Liverpool route based at Longsight, Newton Heath, Speke Junction, Southport and Llandudno Junction as they were regarded as sluggish on graded routes, the North Wales route being relatively flat. Fitters regarded the earlier batches as a "thundering nuisance".

[@levelcrossing150]

@@crewelocoman5b161 Yes thanks, I know the Standard Caprotti engine, we used to get them coming down the line from Patricroft. I thought they were a far more tidier looking engine than the Staniers, but I preffered the rougher look of the Staniers. I noticed the valve gear is different between the early and late batches of the Stanier engines as some bits were hidden on the earlier engines. I preferred the later ones with the high running plate. I remember 44686 looking so dramatic coming along the platform towards me at Abergele and Pensarn station, to pick up the empty coaching stock that had been stored on the down slow line over the winter. I got to know the Llandudno Junction engines which were common on my stretch of the line. Many thanks for your info.

[@TechnoJonny]

Hi, I believe that there were also loco's fitted with High running plates as well as the loco's (as featured here) with the Low running plates, I think the loco's with Caprotti valve gear were introduced around 1950.

[@davew2452]

On the haulage problem, a couple of ideas on the RMWeb site. Added weight is possible as the steam generator kit is not on this chassis. Also reducing the spring load or removal of the spring altogther on the pony truck. This force could be lifting the driving wheels and reducing tractive force.

[@m10cachilles43]

Mouldy Raspberry tried both of these and did see an improvement.

[@jbhtrams]

The only thing we had to weight in the old one was a lump of lead in the tender. Thepicked up eonderfully then and ran well. With 12 heavy mk1s the tender used to jump off occasionally once weighted it ran wellcand picked up better!!!

[@NorthTyneLoop]

Would love to see the stephensons black 5 . We can aqquire drawings. Callum Storey

[@NorthTyneLoop]

@nimbus44767

[@jbhtrams]

Hornby have nearly always had that problem, since Tri-ang days

[@aberfordwest4003]

Do these still have the issues with the tender connections? I’m tempted but won’t shell out money for a faulty model

[@LNER985]

@@aberfordwest4003 The model isn't faulty and after Sam Trains review of Met number one are you harassing Rapido UK employees.

[@aberfordwest4003]

@@LNER985 they aren’t on here saying it isn’t faulty lmao, and it’s hardly harassment to ask if a model still has a quality issue

[@musoseven8218]

Nice looking model, good to see the Caprotti version as RTR too. The modeller of OO is spoilt for choice these days✌️👍😊 But a shame it wasn't R&D checked for haulage capacity, or is it a QC issue 🤔🤔💔 If it slips to a stand still and cant pull the skin off of a rice pudding, with six Bachmann plastic coaches, it ain't going to pull any kit built stock🤔😕🤕 One could argue that it's not fit for purpose nor of a satisfactory quality - especially at that price point🤔🤔💔💔

[@hornbymag]

If anything it comes down to weight. The more a model weighs the more it can haul. Some modellers have had great results by adding more weight to this locomotive and feedback we've heard is that it has run very well.

[@warrenlehmkuhleii8472]

Shame about the pulling power. Mouldy Raspberry had success by removing the spring on the front bogie and putting liquid lead in the body of his Black Five.

[@jbhtrams]

Slipping with six mk1s. I'd rather have the older 2000 model I ran them for years on Mostyn Junction layout that used to be in Wirral Transport Museum Birkenhead. We had two and they used to haul 12+ heavy weighted coaches, month after month. After 2 or 3 years we had to re-motor them, but 6- coaches and slipping Is ridicules!!! Put more weight in them? You can afford it at the price they are???

[@juleshathaway3894]

Saw you at Perth this year, cracking layout.

[@lonelysignalbox]

Idk what these guys are talking about this model isn’t in stock on Hornby. This video must’ve been made months ago. Maybe edit that part out?

[@hornbymag]

Each of these videos comes out with each edition of our magazine, in this case it was last month. We always release these videos to Key Model World subscribers for the first few weeks before they're put out for free on KZbin 😊

[@juleshathaway3894]

I’ve had mine for about six or more weeks, preordered it when it was announced. They are available.

[@lonelysignalbox]

@@juleshathaway3894 dude they’re sold out on hornbys website?