HMS Victory vs. USS Constitution | The Great Battle At Sea

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[@TheTriplc]

If I saw the H.M.S Victory with all those cannons, I’d have one word in my vocabulary: Screwed

[@maxideas9393]

How about Nelson's whole Trafalgar fleet against the USS Missouri. You have to admit that it would be ripping good time.

[@tesstickle7267]

@@maxideas9393 it was fun for England to smash France and Spain even though the royal navy was out numbered ha

[@oliva6352]

@@tesstickle7267 i do believe they lost 28 ships

[@oliva6352]

@British Empire i meant the French and Spanish

[@miguelretinio3010]

Hey how about the gerfaut vs the victory?

[@graceneilitz7661]

This is like comparing a battleship ( like Yamato) to a light cruiser (like Atlanta). Constitution was a great ship(frigate) but she can’t fight 1st,2rd, or even 3rd ships of the line. HMS Victory was a 1st rate if I recall correctly. She was built as a 5th rate, but carried the same number of guns as a 4th rate so she might have a chance against 4th rates if her crew is good and lucky.

[@MiG-31893]

Exactly constitution would have been blown to Australia

[@joegaringan7534]

What you should expect when you are in a frigate against a ship of the line. A real captain would've ran away with his superior speed rather than have to deal with the firepower.

[@sdefiel3719]

... would've RUN ...

[@1236612]

I agree. The HMS Victory had over twice the strength and firepower of the USS Constitution. The Constitution was never intended to fight a ship like the Victory. The Constitution could outrun the Victory; but, a one on one fight would've been almost suicide.

[@fleckvii2403]

Joe Garingan thats what a coward would do.

[@Blackbeard007]

Animating Noob No its quite the opposite. it's what a smart captain would do... the constitution wouldnt have stood a chance against victory... a smart man picks his fights and lives to fight another day... Americans need to accept that you can't win everything...

[@michaelledford4751]

Joe Garingan in reality British ships of the line we're forbidden to make battle with American friggates because of the superior speed , maneuvering and armaments of the smaller iron sided friggates , the USS Constitution was never sunk nor did it lose a battle to any British ship .

[@lionljb]

the first time the Victory passed the Constitutions stern, if she had fired it would have been hell of a stern rake

[@tonybmw5785]

Although the Victory would almost certainly win any engagement with the Consitution, there is no way the Constitution would risk getting into a broadside confrontation with a first-class ship of the line like Victory or want to come within range of her big guns. Constitution was strong but she relied on speed always ran when she faced one of the Royal Navy's first or second rate ships of the line. Much is made of her five prizes but they were all smaller than her 44 gun capacity. However had such a confrontation taken place, the Constitution would have been totally outgunned, and given her reputation for strength Victory in the early stages would have avoided going for the hull and instead used canister and grapeshot from upper gun decks to rake Constitutions decks, and then chain shot to cripple her by taking out her rigging before moving in and letting the big 32 pounders blow her to kingdom come. No one in the late 18th and early 19th C would mix with the British ships of the line unless they were sailing a ship of comparable size and even then given how good the RN's gunners were you also needed a hell of a lot of luck. Having been on board both ships one thing that Americans don't get unless they have been on Victory is just how much smaller the Constitution is and how limited her guns elevation are in comparison to Victory, who's upper gun deck would have been able to fire down on to her decks had she been foolish enough to come close enough for her guns to attempt to cause any significant damage Victory. The Consitution might have relied on hit and run but to do it effectively she would have come close enough to have been a sitting duck to the big guns on Victorys lower decks and for all, she is a strong ship I'm not sure how she would have stood up against a broadside of 40 odd cannons blasting her with 15 32 lbs, 14 22lbs and 13 12lbs shot all at once. Also given the speed that the RN could fire she would have been in range for between four and six rounds from each cannon, and that is a devastating level of firepower, and even if she did try to hit and run she would have had to expose her much weaker stern to the Victorys guns as she tried to pull away which would result in a one-way trip to see Davy Jones!

[@oogabooga9982]

My guy wrote a whole essay 😂

[@whynotcodm5759]

1st rate ship of the line, not 1st class

[@tonybmw5785]

@@whynotcodm5759 guilty :)

[@jacktattis]

USS Constitution 54 guns

[@tonybmw5785]

That is her max complement of guns Victory's was 104 guns. Like I said if you have not been on board Victory you don't get just how much bigger she is in comparison to the Constitution.

[@SecondDraft]

I absolutely adore the USS Constitution. Seeing her sink in any way, shape or form made my heart sink. I got to see the beautiful vessel and her sister USS Constellation just last month. Absolutely gorgeous ships. I'd love to see HMS Victory too but the... differences in distance makes that troublesome.

[@barnacle_bill2257]

the USS Constellation that you saw was not her sister ship. The only USS Constellation that you can see was built in 1854 as a sloop of war

[@SecondDraft]

@@barnacle_bill2257 I'll be damned, you're right. I travelled through the area the USS Consitution was in but only briefly saw her masts so I didn't really get a decent frame of reference for it's size in person, so I suppose nothing seemed amiss when I saw the Constellation in Baltimore. Fair enough.

[@JG-wu7nx]

The british crews who fought on victory could fire 2/3 shots to French's 1. 100 guns on 3 decks she was a beast and ive walked on her deck once

[@jjcooks7401]

I’d be like “man where’s the USS Pennsylvania when you need her?”

[@andrewdiez8353]

Burning at the Gosport Navy Yard

[@jjcooks7401]

@@andrewdiez8353 true, not the most spectacular career for a the biggest vessel in the US Navy at the time 😂

[@usn4876]

The mighty MO

[@shaunreid6851]

Also built 72 years after HMS victory and 6 years after she was taken out of active service. The Royal Navy had bigger and better ships by then also.

[@jt0094]

@@shaunreid6851 By that time the best we had was the 1912 Iron Duke, still of a similar size to the Pennsylvania Class but less powerful, but until mid/late WW2, Britain still had the greatest navy on the planet. By 1916 we had around 40 active dreadnoughts, whilst America only had 8-10 in active service at this point, and the American Nevada and Colorado class battleships were no match Britain’s post 1915 Great War Dreadnoughts.

[@lolomgmetobavi]

The great battle? LOL, One broadside and USS Constitution goes down.

[@andrewstackpool4911]

I suggest two broadsides of 50 guns each as they came to bear; up to 32-pounders. VICTORY passed across CONSTITUTION and therefore would have raked the frigate. While CONSTITUTION's construction had seen broadsides fail to penetrate the hull in the 1812 war, raking would have ripped her insides to pieces and killed most of her crew. This was the tactic Nelson employed against the French/Spanish fleet at Trafalgar. That said, I'm not quite so sure VICTORY could manoeuvre as smartly as shown here. More likely she would have held off at superior range and used her far superior firepower including in throw-weight to hammer CONSTITUTION into submission; all depends no who is in command I guess.

[@sebyt2063]

You could argue it was great to watch

[@cloud1209]

I got to tour the Victory as a kid! It was incredible

[@juliaslavova9672]

What the pirate ship

[@tesstickle7267]

@Leon Russell probably Spanish person,they lose so they can only say pirate lol its worse to lose to a pirate anyway haha

[@francoanthoney1993]

@@tesstickle7267 didn't Britain get shafted by the state's then beg for ships years later when the Germans went knocking? Kind of wish they did so the could have scuttled it.

[@LilRambuso]

I work on the victory

[@tanjianyumoe5700]

@@LilRambuso totally

[@johnmoore9404]

As you can see from this video. HMS Victory has 3 guns to 1 of every gun on the USS Constitution. Both are great ships but HMS Victory would win. I 've been on the USS Constitution and I can't wait to visit the HMS Victory.

[@daetslovactmandcarry6999]

"VICTORY _wins."_ ... Yes. Capsize or no, _CONSTITUTION_ stood no chance whatsoever, all of her guns combined might have equalled one of _VICTORY'S_ broadside on a single deck, this wouldn't have been a match so much as a slaughter.

[@kennyfox7055]

The Uss constitution was built for speed maneuverability and her hull was built from the strongest wood they could find that resisted cannon shots also the constitution had metal plates covering her from the waterline down that's why they nicknamed her old ironside the constitution fought off three enemy ships during that time and won so it would the victory that would be the one in trouble I think you need to do some research on these two for comparison and find out wich one is the true warship of sails

[@Mr94T]

@@kennyfox7055 One broadside from Victory and the Constitution would be ripped to pieces. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

[@dissent1557]

Kenny Fox partially true but a regular ship of the line would have over 100 guns and the victory had more so one single broadside would have obliterated constitution

[@dannymiller3315]

blogger maybe but constitution bounced cannons of similar size

[@daneelolivaw602]

@@kennyfox7055 Lots of ROYAL NAVYships of the time had copper on the hull, it was not unusual, in 1780 Victory was sheathed in 3,923 sheets of copper, Victory also carried amonst other guns, 30x32pounder guns, I wonder how many times Constitution was hit with a broadside that included 32pounders, Never. Constitution only ever fought RN vessels smaller than itself, most of them so small they didn't even have a rating, At Trafalgar, at one point as Victory was sailing towards the enemy line, she was fired on by four enemy ships, one of them, Santisima Trinidad, was the largest warship in the world with 130 guns when Victory herself was unable to return fire, once she broke the enemy line she had ships on both sides of her, and one off her bow,, did she give up? FUCK that, no, she got stuck in and kicked the shit out of the frogs, Do you seriously believe a frigate would cause her problems, SERIOUSLY?. It's you that needs to do some research mate.

[@kingofgaming791]

I've been on Victory numerous times and she is a great ship

[@LilRambuso]

I work on her

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

I own her

[@arizona1287]

i am her

[@tanjianyumoe5700]

@@arizona1287 No your a state and shut up

[@Nuggie_butter]

how did the victory win when there was no cannon fire?

[@joshuapierce5988]

yet John Paul johns beat one while under fire from a friendly ship and he wasn't even in a actual warship but a converted Indiaman while fighting a hired warship of 22 guns Countess of Scarborough. the searpis was a fifty rate of 44 guns which was bigger then the Bonhomme Richard and if I remember my rates correctly a fifth rate was one step down from being a ship of the line. a battlecrusier more or less in modern terms and he was fighting with a crew or old men and young boys who barely knew what they were doing. so the constitution would stand some kinda chance with the proper conditions

[@daneelolivaw602]

Because it was the Victory.

[@Hydro25431]

its because the victory crashed into the constitution

[@Hydro25431]

means it ramed over it

[@WarhammerWings]

Mighty BRITISH Pluck, that's how! Victory's a sturdy old gal!

[@davidshering4642]

HMS Victory was a flagship. It never sailed anywhere on it's own usually 2 or 3 more ships of the line, and some frigates. This encounter would never happen

[@dantel.7785]

THIS IS VERY AWSOME DUDE,. KEEP THEM COMMING. AND YOUR ALMOST TO 2000 SUBS! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@Shipster1912]

Thank you so much

[@confusion7074]

+Shipster1912 do estonia the ship that sank because of the bow broke in ma storm

[@amoghbeereddy2306]

Yes, that was the Estonia and it was a ferry

[@mgytitanic1912]

It's hardly a fair fight. A 100 gun 3 decked First Rate ship of the line against a heavy Frigate whose armament amounts to that of a Fourth/Fifth rate. It doesn't matter how well you can handle a ship, there is only one outcome from that.

[@speed150mph]

I agree, and the US navy knew this when they had envisioned the design of constitution. They chose a heavy frigate so that her captain could choose his fights. She had the speed to evade the british ships of the line, and the firepower to deal with the fast frigates that could catch her. If USS constitution had encountered HMS Victory, her sole chance of survival would have been to use her speed and possibly her shallower draft to stay out of gun range and break contact. Just like she did to the British squadron during the great chase.

[@edwardzimmermanjr9137]

Sorry Justin, I don't agree. My account of UNITED STATES vs VICTORY gives account.

[@edwardzimmermanjr9137]

A good captain would not have gotten himself into this sort of situation. In fact he and his ship would not have gotten this close in the first place.

[@Patriot1071-n5c]

Edward Zimmerman Jr Nelson was a master of navy tactics and was train since he was a boy I should no because I have study him. Because I am British.

[@edwardzimmermanjr9137]

Did you read my action against the USS UNITED STATES and the Victory? I believe I could have beat the Victory piecemeal. Zigzagging in front of Victory would have dissected her. The only difference between Constitution and UNITED STATES were the 32 pounder Caronades on Constitution compared to the 42's on UNITED STATES. But they wouldn't have been engaged until the guns had been reduced in number on Victory. Victory had 18 pounders for the most part. We could reload our 24 pounders faster than Victory which would allow more effective at a greater range than Victory. The HMS Macedonian made this mistake against the USS UNITED STATES. That's how we defeated Macedonian. Long range, heavier hitting, at a faster rater of firing.

[@Blue-Star-Line]

This Is Outstanding work!

[@Shipster1912]

Cheers mate! :D

[@pacifica__]

good job!

[@hamzaharyanm.h.l8744]

Blue Star Line hi BSL luv your vids

[@oceanic3947]

you both is the best :)

[@MemerVA]

The HMS Victory was so intimidating the USS Constitution dead ass sunk itself through sheer anxiety

[@dx030496]

The only thing that bugs me a little is that the USS Constitution has her flag and you haven't flown the Union Jack from HMS Victory

[@michaelmj1964]

Royal Navy regulations state that it can only be flown while a ship is in port.

[@Polak-dd7ds]

In this battle, Constitution is handled very poorly. When she came across a larger ship, she'd try to run. Even the most gutsy captains would either run or approach from the bow or stern and hit and run. (Sorry if I seem biased. The Victory was designed to fight ships of her size, while Constitution would most likely need some backup to handle Victory)

[@charlesgarrett7766]

do the Bismarck vs the hood

[@brg9327]

Charles Garrett Er........we all know how that turns out.

[@tesstickle7267]

Charles Garrett bet the Germans regretted sinking hood,they sealed bismarks fate and even it's sister the turpitz.

[@javierbarrientos9927]

Charles Garrett see it in history channel

[@falcroplayzgames5431]

Don't all to us Germans liketat bitch

[@zahidhussain-vr1gz]

Or Bismark VS Yamato.

[@ssgus3682]

The USS Constitution was larger than any other frigate of the day but it was not a ship of the line.

[@petergraves2401]

Dream on ,constitution would have been wrecked by a first rate .

[@Polak-dd7ds]

Peter Graves She had stronger guns than the Victory had.

[@khaak2390]

Union Pacific 4423 no she didn't, 32pd carronades (12 per side) aren't better the 32 pd long guns and 24 pd long guns (32 and 14 per side). So yes speak facts before patriotism.

[@thefisherj3392]

Peter Graves dream on hms victory had over 100 cannons and has battle greater ships then this one. Battle of Trafalgar the British was outnumber and were victorious against the French and Spanish and yes hms victory was involved and survives to this very day.

[@willausterman3104]

Too bad she's too fast to be caught by one of those slow monsters.

[@Polak-dd7ds]

Kha'ak Even so, the Constitution was designed to pick its fights. Here, she isn't handled well at all. 100 guns against around 50? The captain could have slightly weakeaned the Victory and ran, fight and flight style.

[@jefferyyoung6836]

Thanks for making this video, very interesting. I see a flaw in the battle sequence. The constitution had the weather gauge in your scenario. If the captain had chosen to engage at all he would have turned under the victory stern and raked with a heavy broadside without suffering much damage hoping to take out her steering gear and mizzenmast..Then using his maneuverability and speed to flee the engagement without loss. This is the only way to survive full combat contact with the ship of the line. In reality the constitution did meet a ship of the line and its support squadron. And it took all the ingenuity and strength of the crew to get away but that's exactly what they did.

[@davesawdey9468]

Heres a fair fight---a rowboat against the Yamato

[@kathyquinn605]

Nah, that aint fair. A canoe against the Bismarck.

[@demokkkrat14]

No nothing against the USS Nimitz smh

[@Ty-yt3lj]

Actually a rowing boat would be hard to hit outside of roughly 500mtrs. The AA is pretty crap at long range and the big guns are gonna have some issues firing on something narrower than the bloody area between the barrels.

[@pepepleaseplay]

😂😂😂

[@Britannica-Productions]

Nah, a floatation device vs the USS Iowa

[@LilRambuso]

The victory managed to stay in service for 40 years, and that's excluding the battle of trafalgar and afterwoulds. A ship at that time lasted no longer than 30 years

[@Jamesified740]

Indeed. Considering she is still in service today she is the Flagship yet nobody remembers that.

[@dx030496]

As James said she's been in service 257 years

[@sarahallard9465]

how did it sink? none of the ships evan fired

[@martidiaz3594]

Sarah Allard The Victory tried to ram the USS Constitution and when the constitution tried to not get rammed the ship sank well bc they turned so hard that they put the ship almost 90°

[@ThatGuyOrby]

One *BIG* problem with that. If that was true it would've capsized the other way. What you're suggesting is completely impossible from that side and highly improbable for the other as "turning hard" wouldn't capsize a ship of that size and i didn't see an impact strong enough that it would've pushed over Ol' Ironsides.

[@yurivillanueva9337]

Didn't USS Constitution surrendered.

[@libertycowboy2495]

Next do the IJS Yamato against the SS Minnow

[@Brandon-qf8qt]

ive been laughing at this comment for 10 minutes lmao

[@veganconservative1109]

@@Brandon-qf8qt The Professor would have come up with something to sink the IJS Yamato. Or Gilligan would have done something serendipitous despite stupid.

[@Genesis25hotg25]

No frigate can defeat a ship of the line

[@thesovietduck2121]

no *BUT TEN CAN*

[@vespelian5274]

Not against twenty ships of the line they couldn't etc.

[@ethanshortell3902]

clearly youve never played napoleon total war. Anythings possible my friend

[@ItsSamHussey]

TheGenesis 25 more like a clipper or brig, definitely not a frigate

[@joshuapierce5988]

yet John Paul johns beat one while under fire from a friendly ship and he wasn't even in a actual warship but a converted Indiaman while fighting a hired warship of 22 guns Countess of Scarborough. the searpis was a fifth rate of 44 guns which was bigger then the Bonhomme Richard and if I remember my rates correctly a fifth rate was one step down from being a ship of the line. a battlecrusier more or less in modern terms and he was fighting with a crew or old men and young boys who barely knew what they were doing. so the constitution would stand some kinda chance with the proper conditions

[@211pirate6]

There’s a few things here I’d like to mention even if no one sees this. 1. It is true that the Constitution has cannonballs bounce off her sides, she was built from a very strong oak and sure, the occasional cannon ball wouldn’t be able to penetrate her. 2. The Constitution sails at a speed of around 13 knots at best, somewhat superior to the Victory’s 11. 3. The biggest weakness of a 1st rate is the huge amount of gun powder and cannon supplies needed for the huge amount of guns on each side, if even a spark got near it the victory would explode as any 1st rate would. Unfortunately they kept their explosive materials under good protection so it would take a direct hit to make the magazines explode. Unfortunately even these 3 factors, the Constitution would be utterly destroyed by a broadside. It’s only chance to fight (which shouldn’t be the Captain’s first option) is to keep distance and maneuver around the slower Victory. A one on one wouldn’t take her down, but perhaps 3 or 4 of the original 6 ships made by the US Navy, similar in structure to the Constitution would do some damage. However once again it would have to be at a distance since just one broadside would obliterate any ship.

[@daneelolivaw602]

Victory had bigger guns, so the Constitution couldn't stand off and fight, Victory would have ripped it to shreds.

[@markcartlidge231]

It would be like a puppy getting slapped by an elephant.

[@Sperk..]

Very nice....Keep up the good work! :)

[@nhatrangtanks]

Qcq

[@bayern_3234]

trang nha ?

[@jeffreyrobinson3555]

Wouldn’t the faster more maneuverable frigate have stayed away from the massive broad sides of a three decker?

[@dannymiller3315]

I believe that constitution would attack the rear

[@daneelolivaw602]

Jeffrey Robinson Yes I think you are right. VICTORY had much bigger guns than the Constitution, it would have to risk coming with in range of Victorys guns, and that would have been suicidal, the only time an American ship dared to take on a RN ship of equal size, HMS Shannon ripped the arse out of USS Chesapeake in 15 minutes, it was captured and after repairs in Canada was taken into service by the Royal Navy, after a few years it was sold for scrap, there are two or three buildings in South East England where you can see the timbers of the Chesapeake today.

[@dannymiller3315]

@@daneelolivaw602 yep revolutionary u.s. navy was pretty small but years later USS Philadelphia a ship bigger than a122 gun 1st rate

[@daneelolivaw602]

@@dannymiller3315 Yes, I've heard of that ship.

[@jonathantrumble1910]

@@daneelolivaw602 no the smaller Frigate could in fact out sail the bigger slower turning and sailing 1st rate, it’s the main reason why a 1st rate never sailed anywhere without smaller escorts Oh and your dead wrong dude August 19th 1812 USS Constitution 44 guns vs HMS Guerriere 38-42guns same rate as the Shannon (Constitution wins) December 29 1812 USS Constitution 44 guns vs HMS Java 40 Guns Same Rate as the Shannon (constitution wins) Feb 20th 1815 USS Constitution 40 guns vs the HMS Levant and HMS Cyane both rated 38-guns same rate as the Shannon (Constitution wins) Ole Ironsides is 33-0 in battle engagements dude, it was the very ship the changed the British Admiralty stating “No British vessels are allowed to attack a US Frigate unless it’s 2 to 1 odds” and it’s the reason Captain Broke of the HMS Shannon had to make a request of a 1v1 fight with the Chesapeake, and it’s Captain Lawrence who chose to not use the weather gage against the British ship and in turn was praised by the British officers for his gallantry.

[@jt0094]

I mean… HMS Victory was a first rate ship of the line and the most technologically advanced of her time, Constitution was 4th rate at most and would’ve been made a meal of wayyy before coming within cannon range! Cool vid!⚔️

[@ando_1388]

You are wrong, the most advanced of its time, the largest and the one with the most destructive power was the holy trinity, and in a 1 vs 1 victory would be at a disadvantage.

[@jt0094]

@@ando_1388 no a ship of trinities weight and size was obsolete with Victory, victories advantage would be speed and manoeuvrability… holy trinity was arguably the heaviest slug of the load and it’s extra guns were considerably small, it was an incredible ship which won many battles and was indeed one of the most powerful ships of its time… Spanish trademark for sure, but being a better ship than victory doesn’t cut it, being heavier, shorter & wider It was almost useless against a first rate ship of-the-line like Victory, and trinity was ultimately captured at the battle of trafalgar, you’d think the Franco-Spanish alliance and their combined navies with their most powerful ships would’ve walked right over Britain, as well as victory, but that never happened and so we shall never know… 8 years prior trafalgar holy trinity was already starting to take a serious beating off Royal Navy frigates which should’ve been no problem for a ship like the holy trinity so it’s armament was upgraded, adding a deck of small guns at the expense of speed and added weight. (Many Royal Navy convoys and British ships-of-the-line were captured or destroyed by Spanish convoys led by the Holy Trinity, b “it’s not the ship beneath the men, it’s the men on the ship” 1 Brit does 5 Spaniards any day of the week….

[@ando_1388]

@@jt0094 I understand what you say, and surely you are right, since the holy trinity due to design problems had to be taken to reforms, which fixed some of these failures. The battle of Trafalgar, if it is true that from the beginning it would be thought that the combined fleets would surely win, but the ships in that defeat had little to do, the crew, who were levies recruited in the surrounding towns who had little training + the little vision of the captains and French command + the low morale for the previous points were what led the holy trinity to lose that battle. On the other hand, the holy trinity that, because of Nelson's good strategy of cutting the enemy line with columns, was left almost alone with two other allied ships (with an inexperienced crew) and even managed to fight a lot and leave almost to the drag to victory, and that in the strategic and numerical inferiority that Nelson managed to create. But yes, you are right in the end, the ship does not win the battle, but the crew wins it, which in that case surely won the victory. And thanks to that battle, the beginning of the end of the Spanish empire began. ñ

[@ryangilmore2437]

Not combat but the uss constitution is still sea worthy and just a few weeks ago went for another voyage. I will say tho that the hms is older and is now in dry dock probably forever. Kinda a shame I wish they could bring her back. Would it be awesome if they could bring all the historic tall ships together for one day that would be the coolest thing to see

[@snoopytheace4487]

It should have been the uss Pennsylvania. Our first rate ship of the line.

[@marcusguanio1290]

Victory would be in Pennsylvania, because it is a dreadnought

[@snoopytheace4487]

If the uss Pennsylvania got un close range than it would be over for the victory. It was armed with all carronades. Also it was built like the uss constitution with the stronger wood.

[@marcusguanio1290]

@@snoopytheace4487 Oh sry maybe I'm talking about the diffrent Pennsylvaina? Yes I researched and saw the acutal ship, sorry for the mistake

[@snoopytheace4487]

@@marcusguanio1290 its ok. its a really cool ship. I wish we would have preserved it. though it did have its issues. it was so heavily armed that it couldn't fight in bad weather, the bottom gun deck would have flooded badly.

[@marcusguanio1290]

@@snoopytheace4487 I agree, but when it comes to head-to -head eith victory, it would be like the situation where the frigate that fought USS constitution was massacred immediately

[@Xaevryn]

The Constitution would never have won against the Victory in a squared up 1 on 1 fight. There's just no way. The Constitution's advantages were it had the speed to allow it to run away from ships that could sink her. And the firepower to sink the ships that could catch her. This allowed her Captain to pick and choose his fights at will. Which meant the Constitution only ever entered a fight the captain knew he could win. Which explains her never being defeated. The Victory on the other hand was an absolute behemoth. If she ever brought her broadside to bear on you, you'd be better off just capping yourself in the head with your flintlock. Higher odds of survival there. The Victory was, and I know this is hard to believe, a "Ship of the Line" meaning she was meant to be right there on the line going toe to toe with the most powerful ships of her era and WIN. If those two ships ever did meet each other unescorted you can bet your bottom dollar the Constitution just would've put her rudder to the Victory and outran it. It'd be a draw in that sense. The Constitution not having the power to sink the Victory, and the Victory not having the speed to ever get the Constitution in range. In short: USS Constitution = Speed and cunning HMS Victory = Raw power and fortitude.

[@glennriviere3868]

The Constitution have used her speed a tack to cross the T on the Victory to rake her with fire both cross her bow then her stern. She would have never broadside to broadside

[@Xaevryn]

Good point. I'd go across the Victory's stern first. Who knows, might get lucky and sever the rudder cables or even severely dage the rudder itself. Would the Victory's fore and aft batteries be a threat, though?

[@glennriviere3868]

possibly but not enough to put Constitution out of action.

[@sirderam1]

Xaevryn. Well, if the Victory was captained by an idiot who couldn't understand what the Constitution would try to do then the US ship might have survived. Otherwise - the Constitution would be matchwood. More interestingly, the Americans had invented the basic concept of the Cruiser. A ship powerful enough to outfight anything it couldn't outrun, and fast enough to outrun anything it couldn't outfight.

[@joshlower1]

The vic doesn’t have a thick hull

[@MrTHEBEUGEL]

The only chance the USS Constitution had is ether surprise or a staying in a pocket behind the ship were they can't return fire. Though in real battles speed and nimbleness can change the odds depending on the area.

[@OfficialDrize]

I like the USS Constitution, but there’s absolutely no way the Constitution would win in a fight against the HMS Victory. The Constitution had 44-or-so guns, and the HMS Victory has 104-or-so guns.

[@emporeragustos4514]

I dont know if this is a typo or not, but the HMS Victory was put out of active military service in 1827 and the very last time it saw battle was at the battle of trafouger in 1804. There is no possible way the HMS Victory could have ever seen action against a ship like the USS Constitution much less any other ship in the US fleet since the US and Great Britain had been on fairly good terms since the war of 1812. As I said in the beginning of this comment, I'm not sure if this is a typo or not but if it is than I suggest that you fix it or else your going to trigger another historian that may not be as polite as myself. But other than that I do applaud the work you put into this since it is a decent animation and I hope you continue your animating but improve the historical accuracy of your animations.

[@Menta2ity]

Its a GAME not an animation. The game he uses is Vehicle Simulator.

[@Vigilante-3-1]

Trafalgar was on October 21st of 1805, Admiral Horatio Nelson fell that day.

[@jlachance9751]

Its just an little that was made for fun and enjoyment. It doesn't mean has to be historically accurate.

[@thefisherj3392]

Technically it's still in active service just in another role as a museum. Last sailed 1933 before being drydock for the rest of her life.

[@anonimus3240]

Last time I checked 1812 comes before 1827, meaning that both ships were contemporaries. Although highly unlikely and tactically ill-advised for the Constitution, it is theoretically possible that both ships could have engaged.

[@jwilliams703]

The victory would never be able to catch the coni. The coni would run and never be seen again but that is nothing to scoff at. Tye were built for different reasons. By the time the coni was used the era of 1st rates slugging it out were far gone. The coni was used for fast raids and killing smaller ships.

[@thedictationofallah]

Victory was 11.7 knots and the consti was the same unless under optimal conditions.

[@BarnicleBillable]

Quite an accomplishment for the Victory, considering she is never actually shown firing a shot. Did she just scare the Constitution under the waves?

[@whanngabrylsanoy721]

Its all fun and games till the constitution start flying with rockets and having robot crew

[@Valesteria1783]

No one: Hms victory: *has more than a hundred cannon* Uss constitution: sh*t I'm screwed

[@havenbirb1525]

Lmao i'd been surprised if a Frigate could take down a Man O War

[@judywilks3644]

Lucky shot...

[@thedictationofallah]

A frigate WAS a Man o war. A man o war is any ship built for combat. Victory is a ship of the line

[@freshfish7529]

What surprises me is that victory used not even one of her 104 guns

[@wolfpack8155]

Please tell me everyone is aware that USS Constitution could sail at 13 knots or 15 miles per hour. HMS Victory could sail at 11 knots or between 13-12.5 miles per hour. This speed would not be enough of a difference unless USS Constitution turned around and fled immediately upon viewing HMS Victory. If it stayed to fire 1 salvo, it wouldn’t be able to get away fast enough to survive the impending returned salvo from HMS Victory. Which would result with USS constitution being sunk. Put simply if USS Constitution went up against and fired upon HMS Victory, I don’t believe it would be able to escape the 100 gunned ship of the line.

[@komandant_history]

Plus chain shot is a thing, victory would have crippled constitution's sails and masts to prevent constitution from running away

[@samogilvie1241]

@@komandant_history you seem to forget that constitution is faster which means it could outrun its chain shots! not to mention the constitution would not get that close in first place!

[@komandant_history]

@@samogilvie1241 chain shot is faster than 13knots and can reach quite far

[@tomvernon2123]

I couldn't tell there was a battle. It appeared that the Yankee vessel just capsized.

[@w3ight0lltm92]

hey! how do you fire torpedo

[@jamesappling1212]

No age of Sail Captain in His right mind would attack a First class Ship of the Line in open water where He could maneuver.😔

[@ycplum7062]

Why would you pit a 1st Rate 102-gun Ship-of-the-Line against a 5th Rate 44-gun Frigate? The Frigate would not survive the first good salvo from a Ship-of-the-Line, much less a 1st Rate Ship-of-the-Line.

[@franciscoguzman1034]

Daneel Ovivaw it a historical fact the English Navy issued orders that no English war ship was to ver attack a Constitution Class war ship on a one on one battle,the English had orders to use two or more ship against a Constitution Class it a fact and you can't change it because you don't like it. 42 English Warships challenge the USS Constitution and 42 were defeated by Her and you can't change that.

[@marinesinspace6253]

Frigates don't fight Ships of the Line. Frigates that try, die. No exceptions.

[@franciscoguzman1034]

Historical Fact American Super Frigates force the English to change their tactics,THE USS Constitution defeated 42 English Warships and being faster than any English Frigates and English Ships of the Line She cud hit and run all day dictating the field of battle and the weather conditions for the fight. Not to mention before the Wars end America build four Ships of the Line that Dwarf the English Ship of the line even they did not did not see action till the Barbary Pirate War were the US Marines aded to their Hime.

[@franciscoguzman1034]

The English Ship of the line did tried to Engage the USS Constitution but were too slow to over take Her. After all only a fool stands stop against a larger ship, you hit and run. In WWII American destroyers Engaged the Battleships of the Japanese Navy and saved the jeep carriers until The USS Battleships chased them off.

[@josynaemikohler6572]

Well, Endymion took USS President as a prize. So there were certainly larger frigates in the british navy, that could fight the Constitution class. Also HMS Shannon defeated Chesapeake. Of the 6 original frigates, the United States lost two to frigates, roughly of their own weight classes.

[@patricktruchon9153]

@@marinesinspace6253 to quote a line from one of O'Brien's great novels, "the dog doesn't bite the bitch". THAT battle never would have happened. English frigates were simply not up to the standard of "Old Ironside". It outclassed them in every measurable way.

[@DrywallMuncher_]

What do u expect when u put a ship of the line against a frigate, complete mismatch

[@olliebrett2929]

The us keeps going on about how great the Constitution was, But don’t forget the HMS Victory has seen much more battles and won them all. Her Majesty’s Victory would annihilate the Constitution. It’s the flagship of the great British Empire for a reason.

[@DrywallMuncher_]

@@olliebrett2929 i hate people that say the constitution would win because there american, im American and i think the victory would win easily, i had one dude tell me that the constitution would bounce all the cannonballs that the victory fired

[@olliebrett2929]

lancepatrol_420 I like the Constitution but a better match up would be Victory versus Pennsylvania

[@DrywallMuncher_]

@@olliebrett2929 um, two different timelines, the Pennsylvania is a super dreadnought from the early 1900s

[@olliebrett2929]

lancepatrol_420 Fair enough but it would be A much fairer fight..... I am British and I love the the Victory and I know the Pennsylvania would demolish the Victory. But hay at the end of the day were cousins and I know we will fight together against our enemies✌️🇬🇧🇺🇸

[@cubbykovu8955]

Constitution would have no chance in the slightest a broadside from a 1st rate ship of the line would be like being hit by a missle

[@Hibernicus1968]

No captain would have taken the _Constitution_ into a one on one fight with the _Victory._ They were two completely different classes of ships. The _Constitution_ and her sister ships were the heaviest and best-armed frigates of their day, and they did well enough against the Royal Navy for the Admiralty to issue standing orders for British frigates not to try and take on American frigates one on one. But the _Victory_ was a first rate ship of the line -- the heaviest battleship of that era, and it's just in another class. _Constitution_ would no more have tried to take it on than a British light cruiser in WWII would have tried to sink the _Bismarck_ by itself. The captain of the _Constitution_ would have used his ship's greater speed to avoid a fight with a monster like the _Victory._

[@CobaltLancer]

I wonder how many people fell for the thumbnail 😂 Hopefully you guys realize that the Constitution has no chance against the Victory. A frigate with an inexperienced crew VS a first rate ship of the line which has thicker armor, more cannons, bigger cannons, and a crew who has far more experience and some of the best training.

[@jakehammond7491]

Even if the constitution had the best crew it would be no match at all.

[@CobaltLancer]

Jake Hammond True. Unless the Victory’s crew was extremely corrupt and stupid enough to let them get somehow shredded by frigates like in this illogical bullshit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWaXeoh_q55qpKs It was just infuriating to see that a bunch of ocean criminals are more experienced than the military and somehow manage to even shred a frickin first rate with a single broadside from two frigates

[@GaryJones69420]

@@CobaltLancer and I love how after that the whole navy just fucks off.

[@joshlower1]

The uss constitution had an very experienced and capable crew. Americans were known for our excellent seamanship

[@jakehammond7491]

@@joshlower1 did you read any of the discussion?

[@aaronosanceda9141]

uss constitution vs yamato,what happens

[@panumastubsee603]

Aaron O Sanceda Constitution Win lol

[@aaronosanceda9141]

how would you say so

[@tallerstond8105]

Aaron O Sanceda there is a huge tech gap and the Yamato could probs rip wood ez so...

[@ThatGuyOrby]

It was probably a joke. No ship from that time period (or almost any) could rival Yamato.

[@RojoFern]

Come on, the Yamato could take on the entirety of the royal navy from the early 1800s and still win

[@patwilson2546]

If the commander of the Constitution was actually insane enough to go against the Victory, the last thing he would do is trade broadsides as seen in this video. He would try to use his ships superior speed to cross the bow or stern. In this video I actually saw the reverse, the Victory crossing the Constitution's stern. One Victory broadside fired the into Constitution's stern, raking the length of the ship, would ruin the Constitution . As has been pointed out by others - the exercise is kind of silly. Ship of the line vs frigate is something no frigate commander would ever willingly do. They were brave, not stupid. Upon sighting a ship of the line Constitution would turn the other way and raise the "catch me if you can" signal.

[@freddiemurrer]

You always amaze me with your content.

[@Julief4417]

The Constutution's hull is made of wood that makes the canon balls bounce back! It's true!⛵️⛵️⛵️⛵️⛵️⛵️⛵️⛵️

[@heartofoak1237]

Ryan & Julie Fitzgerald Very true, but the victory would pound the ship with its guns, eventually either killing all the crew, or, sinking the ship.

[@marinesinspace6253]

The wood used makes lighter cannon fire bounce, the HMS Victory has much heavier guns, and it's broadside is almost as many guns as the Constitution has total. Frigates don't fight ships of the line if it can be avoided because they will loose, every time.

[@heartofoak1237]

Marines InSpace the H.M.S Victory had 106 guns, and the constitution had 30.

[@ValtVeee]

But they were built for smaller cannonballs and not 32 pounders, especially an entire broadside of them

[@christietue2004]

just beautiful

[@morteparla6926]

Here's something that no game ever gets right, and no person seems too know.... Ship battles would almost never take place with the ships sailing anywhere near each other. Most engagements happened no closer than 1/8th mile, and some of the longer engagements were over a whole mile. Getting close was suicidal. Remember, the process of actually manuevering a ship isn't as simple as pushing a button, or even turning the wheel. There's an entire coordinated effort between tens of men just too change direction. Now consider that if the ships sailed close to each other, the chance of crashing into each other is almost 100%. Ships also don't sail in a perfectly straight line. The current, waves and wind make sure of that. Not good for either party.

[@SpeedOften]

The USS Constitution didn't unload a full broadside into the HMS Guerriere until within "1/2" pistol shot" distance.

[@dvpz2750]

Coming back a few years later My own theory is if the constitution could maybe get in the ships blind spot basically where the victorys cannons cant aim at, the constitution, they could fire in those spots? Feel free to correct me if im wrong

[@skelegames6892]

Am I the only person who thinks the first rate ship looks like Endeavour from Pirates of the Caribbean

[@legoflitwick3702]

Yeah the film makes took their inspiration from the Victory to create the Endeavour, but also the Intrepide from the first movie (the two ships are exactly the same). The real life Endeavour was 10 times smaller.

[@Lord-Cutler-Beckett]

SkeleGames I too believe they look rather similar.

[@noahboston8840]

Fake the victory never sank and it was the best ship at that time

[@noahboston8840]

The victory won because it had an advantage

[@jamiengo2343]

Noah Boston it's a simulation you donkey

[@edwardzimmermanjr9137]

The CONSTITUTION was not the best ship of her time. The USS UNITED STATES was heavier, faster, and more powerfully armed than CONSTITUTION. The Old Waggon had massive diagonals and a poop deck which added to her weight in excess of 2,000 tons. In the War of 1812 she was up-gunned from 32 pounder cannonades to 42 pounder cannonades by Stephen Decatur. And as far as speed, she was faster than CONSTITUTION in the Indies she was constantly slackening sail for CONSTITUTION to catch up by log entries by 1st Lt. John Malowney of the USS UNITED STATES, and testimonies of officers of the USS CONSTITUTION. In a chase by both frigates after a French privateer. The USS UNITED STATES disappeared over the horizon and captured the privateer before CONSTITUTION arrived on the scene. There was mention of she being a sluggish sea slug. But this was untrue as well. Barry said she was a little crank but this changed after he cleared the timber topside when it was lowered to finish the cabins below. Ed. Zimmerman, Jr. F, P, CEO USS UNITED STATES Foundation since 1978.

[@realitycheck4840]

Victory was actually already forty years old at Trafalgar. It was smaller than newer, bigger first rates... but this made it faster and favored by Nelson who believed the flag should be the faster ship in order to keep ahead of and lead the fleet.

[@robertyoung9643]

Both ships are still around

[@cambs0181]

1854 the Victory was well retired. Infact most ships of this class were. Even if it wasn't the Constitution was a frigate and the victory was a ship of the line so they would have never been put up against each other.

[@dominicbuckley8309]

I think you're confusing Constitution (built in 1797) with Constellation (built in 1854).

[@DeathToGlobalistsDavidSmith]

In reality no amount of maneuverability and speed could take on the hundreds of men that would have been at the ready to board the Constitution.

[@cambotcecptt332]

omg beautiful ship

[@Shipster1912]

Indeed ;)

[@alexf2705]

This is english propaganda...

[@Blackbeard007]

Alex F lol....

[@LeonidasSparta-Fun-History]

back in the day the British had the best navy anyway

[@jeffmiller1159]

Hmmm... I guess this is your dream since cannon fire just bounced off the live oak hull of the constitution. There's a reason she's called old ironsides

[@daneelolivaw602]

Jeff Miller The American ship was never hit with a 32pound shot, let alone a broadside containing 15 32pounders, all the RN ships Constitution fought were either 5th or 6th rated ships, None of which carried 32pound guns, one ship did have 32pound Carronades, but these were almost useless at anything over point blank range, so constitution, with its 28 pounder guns would have had a big advantage. You are right, there is a reason she is called old ironsides, and one reason is because she was never in a fight with a ship of the line.

[@crazysteve9390]

Do the USS Gerald Ford vs an Iranian speed boat

[@yeag1]

You should try doing the Bismarck

[@rickgehring7507]

They think the hood went down fast , the Bismark if it hit either of those tinder boxes with it's 15's it would split the USS ship in two, probably take 2 maybe 3 to send the HMS to the bottom. I always wanted to see Bismark vs Arizona , or Texas

[@lntgaming4423]

Great job on this video! Keep it up!

[@mgfpresident7285]

Silly setup. Constitution would use its speed to get the heck out of there. I believe after the 1812 the USN built a couple of ships of the line. Maybe that would be a t least a fight that the Victory would win with some damage.

[@ShaneMailloux]

Love ur vids! Keep the great vids up

[@williampaz2092]

It’s so strange that neither ship has a crew....

[@juliaslavova9672]

Bc the crew are under the deck

[@itzedz2203]

So where's the rockets and Ironsides on the constitution?

[@Spacebaryonyx]

Up next Star destroyer v Fokker dr.1

[@1stratefansbelike]

Captain of constitution:*aim at the stern and bow weather decks aim at the mast fire!*

[@1stratefansbelike]

Idk but I still love HMS victory

[@joshuapierce5988]

yet John Paul johns beat one while under fire from a friendly ship and he wasn't even in a actual warship but a converted Indiaman while fighting a hired warship of 22 guns Countess of Scarborough. the searpis was a fifth rate of 44 guns which was bigger then the Bonhomme Richard and if I remember my rates correctly a fifth rate was one step down from being a ship of the line. a battlecrusier more or less in modern terms and he was fighting with a crew or old men and young boys who barely knew what they were doing. so the constitution would stand some kinda chance with the proper conditions

[@notreallynowhere4486]

How can a frigate defeated a 1st rate or ship of the line

[@ferdyholim5687]

104-gun ship of the line (1st rate warship) VS 44-gun frigate (5th rate warship)

[@scottkellam7712]

HMS Victory would turn almost anything afloat into matchsticks in no time.

[@LilRambuso]

It's an obvious one. The victory had 104 guns and is one of the greatest warships of that era. Fun fact in the battle of trafalgar it sunk 10 ships and took 90 cannonballs, 50 on the starboard 40 on the port, yet still survived. Though Lord Nelson and Captain Hardy both died during battle...

[@ando_1388]

You are right, but we must not forget that the Holy Trinity was the largest warship of the line of its time, and in a 1 vs 1 victory has quite a few chances of winning.

[@daneelolivaw602]

Jinx Trooper Victory didn't sink ten ships, only one enemy ship was destroyed, and that blew up because fire had got to the magazine. All other enemy ships taken, surrendered and Captain Hardy didn't die at Trafalgar. Are you on a wind up?

[@LilRambuso]

@@daneelolivaw602 do you not know how many ships the French and Spanish lost at trafalgar??

[@LilRambuso]

@@daneelolivaw602 considering I work on the ship, and the museum which clearly states more than 1 ship got destroyed at trafalgar. I meant to say it helped or contributed to sink them anyway. She crossed the line behind the French flagship (the redoubtable) and 50 shots were fired into the stern which more or less made it immobile.

[@daneelolivaw602]

@@LilRambuso if you work on Victory, can you meet me on the 2nd of December, i will be in the Historic Dockyard that day, and also the 3rd of December, but i dont think you will because you DO NOT work in the dockyard. ANYONE who works there will know that 18 enemy ships were CAPTURED, and ONE ship was sunk, a French ship blew up. i will see you Friday or Saturday, i am looking forward to this.

[@Andyww08]

A 44 gun frigate would be so screwed if she tried to take on a 100 gun line of battle ship. 32 ponders on the gun deck, 24 pounders on the orlop deck, and 18 pounders on the upper deck. Against 22 18 pounders per broadside. No contest

[@atfyoutubedivision955]

Costitution carried 52 guns. 30 being 24 pdr long guns, and 20 being 32 pdr carronades, she also had two 24 pdr bow chasers. This isn't too say she isn't boned in a fight with victory.

[@gabrielvazquez7147]

I think the USS Constitution would win for the following reasons. The Constitution was newer, faster, and more maneuverable than Victory, which was built in 1765. Constitution is armed with 30 24 pound guns with a range of 1200 yards. Victory is armed with the following: 30 32 pound guns: 500 yards range. 28 24 pounders: 1322 yards range. 30 22 pounders: 1969 yards range. 12 short 12 pounders: 2000 yards. Victory could return fire with her 24 and 12 pound guns, but her 12 pound guns would not be very effective against Constitution's sides made of live oak, so it would be a more or less even fight. The advantage Constitution has is her speed and her long guns. She would stay out of range of most of Victory's guns and use her superior speed and maneuverability to get behind Victory and rake her.

[@marks926]

HMS Victory - all balls and no cock... USS Constitution - Not too cocky, but ballsy USS: 1:06 "Well, that escalated quickly" HMS 1:14 "Holy bollocks! The wankers are approaching from the starboard rear!!" USS 1:51 drunk sailor fires blunderbuss HMS 1:54 cook shits his pants and subsequently tips over kettle causing massive kitchen explosion HMS 1:55 fire spreads quickly USS 1:58 crew lights off inordinate number of fireworks, celebrating victory from the rotted tooth monarchy know as Great Britain USS 2:13 "Do they know they lost yet, I mean it takes weeks for mail to get across the ocean...." USS 2:43 "Larry did you put the plug in the boat man??!?!??!!!" Larry holding shotgun.... "What?"

[@hollynfawns4653]

Let's have another fair contest👍 say the mary rose vs uss gerald Ford, and we will handycap the mary rose and say they have 1 crew member to do everything.

[@craw.54]

0:56 Oh, so were the bad guy? *Outstanding*

[@DingleDangle66]

LordDavidOsbourne Oh a salty American shame.

[@Spacebaryonyx]

@@DingleDangle66 im not trying biasing towards either But americans get salty and mean because of europeans being salty and mean

[@DingleDangle66]

@@Spacebaryonyx He said this before I did.

[@Spacebaryonyx]

@@DingleDangle66 im not talking about what you said

[@Tedinator01]

1854? Had the ships actually sighted each other, the captains may have dined together or at least saluted each other. In 1854, Constitution was part of the Africa Squadron.

[@anonimus3240]

Looking at the scenario as you've set it up, why didn't the Constitution take advantage of her position and superior maneuverability and try to cross the Victory's stern and rake her with a full broadside? Seems like an exceedingly stupid move to put yourself into position to trade broadsides with a 100+ gun 1st rate.

[@coolaidenh6068]

you're the best ship sinking youtube marker in the world I wish that game was free to play.☺☺☺☺☺☺you've inspired me to make my own sinking ship with my imagination.your the best and keep up your greatest work mate.☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺

[@AmdUlkoinen]

Useless emoji spam.

[@anonymous-a6k]

if the thumbnail turned out to be true i will be mad fr fr

[@ScienceChap]

A 110 first rate ship of the line vs a 32 gun 6th rate? Next.

[@sethkimmel7312]

Try 100 gun vs 44.....still no joy for USS Constitution however....

[@kymymedia]

That ought to be the greatest pirate I've ever seen, so it would seem

[@Bran802]

Why would a 100-gun line-of-battle ship fight a 40-gun frigate? There would have been no honor in such an unfair fight, nor would the captain of said frigate have been stupid enough to even consider challenging a ship that large. This video portrays something that just would not have happened, as the frigate would have tried to run away or strike its colors, if it could not escape.

[@stockmatthew2010]

Yet the constitution picked all its fights with smaller vessels

[@mrhotdog468]

No honor in war

[@charlesmaurer6214]

The Victory has the firepower edge, the Constitution has the maneuverability edge and it would all depend on who was commanding. Today Constitution would find the building Victory totally helpless fron the shore bombardment. Victory may have once been a ship but she now sits forever in a permanately sealed off drydock held in place with a system of beams and supports from the dock floor and sides that can't be removed. It is good to preserve the Relic that once was a ship but calling Victory a ship is like calling the tower of london or white house a ship. It doesn't float.

[@iforgottobubble]

can u put the music of pirates of the caribbean? that would be more cool

[@cambs0181]

Copyright

[@Hondo_O-C1anka]

I will admit, constitution should have ran, but the idea that Victory wouldn’t win without sacrifice is far fetched