LEVELS (Basic Version)

[@hoe_math]

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[@lyngs]

@hoe_math Your "scribbles" are perfect. You should make a poster of the "level-up" sheet. I would buy it immediately!

[@thomasmooney5653]

Love the graphics. Handwriting also very interesting, almost like a font of regular guy script. Maybe you know them already but in manufacturing we use the 5 Why's to get at root cause. It's a lot like you description of thinking things through at the end of the video. I don't think that people 10,000 years ago were less intelligent than people today. I hope that you were using tribes/Romans/Medieval describing the lower levels as analogy only; Aristotle et al.

[@grehsoul]

I think this explaisn why i cant be in the moment as often as others + why my brain overheats more often than it should. Thank you for the visual break down.

[@tsunamic84]

I'm almost 30. I've been at a new job for about a month now. Yesterday, for casual Friday, I wore a normal tshirt. My boss called me over and politely talked to me, saying I need to wear collared shirts. Keep the casual professional. He was very nice about it. And I felt anxiety for 30 mins because I had done something wrong. I grew up with unforgiving parents and deal with this kind of stuff internally, but I'm getting better at it recently. Anyways. I wanted to just go home and change so I didn't feel bad anymore. I thought about how my boss might have been stressed because maybe HIS boss mentioned it to me and he felt like HE did something wrong. And I caused all of that stress. I didn't like that. But. I realized I was being ridiculous. I told myself it's just a shirt and I'll fix it next time. And I was able to do that because I have become able to see how I emotionally respond to things and why I respond that way. I've been changing a lot of things recently since moving past some unhealthy attachments and I've been able to do so because I can see how and why I react the way I do. I think about why I do it and if what I'm so worried about is actually something to worry about. Most of the time it isn't. I feel like this self awareness puts me most of the time at a 8.

[@sandalcandal3696]

Grats on getting the sponsorship!

[@That_One_YouTube_Video]

This has made me realize that I no longer feel like I’m living my life, but I’m just thinking about living my life.

[@Kaydje]

Real

[@Dwaynetheroc]

You need to unthink yourself lol

[@plumsepiidae890]

trying so hard to correct this same issue in myself lol i'm just thinking about everything and myself doesnt exist

[@Leandro.Patagonia]

Try meditation.

[@ChipDip0214]

I love you

[@eliel1341]

Thanks for the vid, i finally reached lv 2. I used to eat bananas, but now i know that others eat bananas too, i'm gonna punch them.

[@ShaunStallings]

I'm reminded of the birds in Finding Nemo: "mine!"

[@bcvfgd7477]

@@eliel1341 u lv3 if u punch them

[@carlhatchfield6335]

Oh no, that's when you eat those who are eating your bananas.

[@slyan1]

think bout the reprecussion it will hae punchin em tho. u may not get other bananas

[@ManticMako]

My banana! You go in volcano!

[@TheDwarburton]

The real final level is sitting here doing the drawings and then organising all of the thoughts and articulating it to be understood by the audience you have. Bravo :)

[@breadman32398]

Level 10 thinking.

[@sativatrix]

level 11, why bother thinking when there are ☝ smart people ☝ to figure it all out

[@Sweze]

level oo, its all a cycle, you'll be here again drawing these and there's nothing you can do, even if you're the best or you did as much as you could.

[@Solar108]

The completed final level looks like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqq8mY2KrsR0mNE And the way there, explained in the same yet slightly different way kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJqbk6GYacmprMk

[@benhanock3641]

lvl 12, understanding nothing matters and just being selfish

[@GameFlixe]

Anyone else curing their social anxiety/insecurities with this stuff? Breaking through insecurities gets you up there in the levels. Don’t give up and don’t isolate

[@prisai03]

well said! i was a social apps hoe and had huge anxiety and called myself an introvert, but now? i can't spend more than 5 mins in those apps and when I am outside, i can see how people tick as well as who are the bad ones to avoid. Really fun view, once you know how.

[@memes2bach]

PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE YOUR DRAWING STYLE. It gives this channel a lot of personality, it feels kinda great to see that such complex ideas can be representated with such simple drawings (even though I almost colapsed when I firstly saw the chart about thoughts levels). I love these channel, you really explain things I thought no one would never talk about in social media, it's like a dream turn reality

[@diazigy]

I like the cartoons, but the camera work and focusing around the cartoons could be better.

[@memes2bach]

@@diazigy I like it the way it it, but yeah, he still has room for improvement. Anyways, those kind of details are more about personal preferences so

[@cyberpz]

Totally agree with him, the content is way deeper to focus on the graphics, since they only visually support you explaining. Totally loved your personality. Subscribed!

[@amirhoseinmoslehi5010]

As he says it's just development

[@AC-fi8ge]

Nah it's perfect. Feels comedic and down to earth, there's a charm to the child like aesthetic. Almost like "Casually Explained"

[@alexlittle2190]

I had to claw my way up in the dark trying to figure this all out. So so happy to see it being put so succinctly in an easy-to-understand manner. Thank God you didn't let the fear of doodles stop you, please don't let anything else stop you either. I never comment but this needs to blow up so more people can see it.

[@PerryCali]

Trust me this information is presented to you for the entirety of your life you just choose to ignore it. Lets not act like we wake up and spend 8 hours a day working on our consciousness and awareness. We all work for uncle sam. What do you think is gonna happen if more people see this video? People see college and dont go dude... The knowledge been there, but ignorance is more fun

[@mills8102]

My doodles suck... MS whiteboard and smart friends to the rescue!

[@Terrapin22]

​@@PerryCaliTrue words. I learned this kind of stuff just reading fiction as a kid.

[@abcdef-ev5bc]

@@PerryCali I feel like theres a difference between knowing and understanding. I knew about this for a long time but didn't "understand" and actually resonate with it until recently, as I can tell that my entire perspective and attitude has changed.

[@PakoTamocha]

​@PerryCali that's true. But it's not the only issue. Some people don't even know this kind of information even exists... not cauz of ignorance but accessibility, for others its just incocievable because they have lived a certain way too long. Making these things mandatory human knowledge in the education system is a good start for global inlightenment and betterment.

[@xv.luc1d]

This channel is destined to blow up.

[@poelogan]

He 10xd his following in a month already lmao it’s happening in real time.

[@julestennisuniverse]

Incredible to see.

[@LeventK]

That's a 9.

[@Somewhereiwouldrelax]

He has a tikto

[@michaeljeffery7466]

Seriously, this is going to do even better than his TikTok.

[@deeppoosea8887]

I feel like I’ve been stuck at 9 watching myself from a perspective so distant down the chain of perspectives like I’m in outer space watching over knowing how I’m thinking but seeing what I’m doing knowing exactly what I need and I’ve finally come to terms with all of the facts and I know exactly what I have to do and what I’ll have to do to get there so I’m making huge changes and think I’m finally in control over my entire mind and just need to work on discipline and focus to perfect my mind in a sense. I am actually so relieved and truly thankful that I found this video because my whole life I’ve always known I think differently and am constantly thinking about thinking while being aware of it my entire (conscious) life. Knowing that there are levels to the mind and there are things caused by each level. I was piecing together my life with every single point you presented so knowing I’m not crazy but just an active deep thinking/enlightened mind is beyond relieving.

[@andriybasisty7381]

@@deeppoosea8887 i call BS. You’re most likely stuck at 1

[@UncontainablePickle-_420]

@@andriybasisty7381 Your inability to continue in conversation or present any further introspection is a perfect example as to where you exist within the proposed level of thought. Don't worry, you'll grow up. As for @deeppoosea8887 I understand exactly where you're coming from as I am personally on my own journey to enforce more strict disciplines upon myself to better my family and mine own life. To observe and focus on thoughts within, we much more closely relate to our own spirit and true sense of self than just the base physical body we exist in. I can't speak for all, but I know that including God and receiving his guidance on my journey has given me the structure I needed to live a good life. Good luck in your future.

[@jaimetheone9150]

Overthinking can lead to inaction, which is why people who think less often get more done.

[@sonal7987]

100% i’m an example myself

[@jaimetheone9150]

@@sonal7987 We are.

[@sonal7987]

@@jaimetheone9150 this became more clear when i started working. we must get out of this rut before it’s too late 🥲

[@kelseyolden6002]

Sure, those who don't overanalyze might do more things, but are those things they are doing helpful, harmful, meaningful, or mindful? Are those things contributing towards a greater goal? Additionally, even if one can perceive the higher levels of thinking, they are not unable to see/use the lower levels of thinking when they are the best fit for the situation. There is a need and a function for higher level thinking. And it seems like at level 9 thinking, one would be able to know exactly where to target the issue and from what perspective in order to achieve their goals. That's exactly the part I struggle with. I can see the whole tangled web, but where do you start to begin untangling things? If you start carelessly, the web could completely fall apart and cause more problems because it is a delicately interwoven system of systems.

[@danielma1359]

Yes, I can attest that as a person who has crippling OCD, just an inbalance of having too much glutamate on some regions of the brain can make you not be able to make a lot of things while at same time getting why everyone is the way they are and you just wish you could live at the moment like you were as a child, it is a progress of losing your ability of living at the moment while observing that and being less able to rationalize what to do about that because what would actually work is to not rationalize at all, that can't be solved with rationalizing more, only with living at the moment. But then again, you are stuck already, how can you just not rationalize once you been there...

[@themadsuns]

thinking about thinking is a little like being your own therapist in your head. just, "and why does that make you feel that way?" "well," and then you continue on that.

[@bemyguxst]

@@themadsuns that’s what I was thinking too.

[@codyabbott4791]

I try to explain this to people that suggest therapy to me, I don't need guidance to open that part of my brain, which is their main purpose. Contrary, often times the reason I'm feeling less than enthused is because of the deep level at which I can understand things, and see how fucked the world really is lol.

[@StealthyMaizero]

@@codyabbott4791 Brother, I understand you. My whole life I’ve felt a cloud over my head, a gloomy depressed feeling because of the high level of existential intelligence i’ve gained at an early age and the heavy anxiety it caused to me as a child knowing how screwed we are going to be in the next 20-40 years, at this point in time as a species, all because the current population’s norm is to refuse to think at a higher level, the culture is book=geek, zero awareness of how many prominent historical figures were warriors and revolutionaries that were intelligent humans. But thats a huge rabbit hole i probably shouldn’t ramble on about to you.

[@luckynumber5.56]

@@StealthyMaizero i have an entirely different perspective. im observing a strange uptick in consciousness in normal people. the sheep continue to be lost, but the conscious-class is growing. leaders are being developed and im optimistic about the future of this world, specifically for oppurtunity for those who wouldnt ever see opportunity if they were born 50 years ago.

[@danilejai7801]

@@codyabbott4791 Do you think that therapist don’t see the world at a deep level and therefore wouldn’t be able to provide any guidance for your situation? What level would people that make these sort of assumptions be at?

[@Jacqueline888]

i actually remember the exact moment i reached level 3 lol i had the most mindbending moment in my elementary school bathroom when i looked in the mirror and it suddenly hit me all at once that when others see me they only see my shell, they don’t see my interior experience or my character or anything like that. they just see what i see in the mirror and that’s it. i’ve never forgotten that moment. it was really sad for me, actually. i felt profoundly lonely and misunderstood in that moment. and i still feel like that to this day, actually.

[@Ewendude1]

I think we reveal a little of what goes on inside with our interaction with each other. How much depends on how vulnerable you're able to be around that person. It's like the difference when people know you but they don't know you like a loving parent might because they've had more exposure to that authentic self.

[@Elemblue2]

Becoming sentient is crazy. I remember the first time it occurred to me in like jk that other people had thoughts and experiences like my own and they should be considered real and respected. It hit me like a train. My whole behavior pattern changed forever.

[@ArthurTaylor]

They only see the outside and the strawman they conceive. However, you make them aware that you are a living soul by speaking from your heart consistently and living out your God given purpose.

[@s4nder86]

And now your eyebrows, eyelashes, lips, skin tone and hair color are fake to try to appear better to others than you really are. Still some climbing to do.

[@bdgackle]

The next level is realizing that those other people don't exist at all. This is comforting until you make the logical leap that you don't exist either. That is the final level, since then you realize there are no levels. Just a cloud of hydrogen that was left alone for way too long.

[@clayphillips9998]

I loved developing through 9, I feel as others have said if your not coached right or alone 8 and 9 you can fall in to hopelessness and nihilism. people who develop that high and maintain 8 and 9 understand they can become anything they want in life, most ppl can't maintain level 9 awareness. If you have not experienced the observer consciousness it's hard to describe, awesome video man loved it.

[@FortuitusVideo]

The problem with maintaining level 9 is that your boss tells you to stop staring off into space, we have to get this concrete poured tonight.

[@benjaminflankman8650]

So relatable

[@daycred]

That's both way to true if you actively think about these concepts and not really the case once you internalize the core consequences that apply to you personally.

[@Greennoob2]

I like mental shortcuts but they're flawed so idk i'm too tired to explain actually

[@IOverlord]

Meanwhile, the girl you like getting poured by Chad

[@Vexed711]

You’re not really number 9. You’re just pretending to be. Number 9 is equivalent to zen state/buddah. Somewhen in the state is chopping wood and getting water. The exact same way as level 1. They’re just aware they’re doing it

[@BeautifulGaston]

It's crazy for someone else to explain so neatly something you have been trying for your whole life to understand. I like that you stated that higher levels of thought doesn't exactly mean they are better, I've struggled with anxiety my whole life and I definitely get trapped in loops of overthinking and decision paralysis. I have learned in my adult years that sometimes its okay to chill at the lower levels and just be yourself. But I think if everyone had even just one breakthrough moment where they thought at higher levels, we would have a much better understanding of our world and how to live happily with one another.

[@metagorge]

decision paralysis =/= higher levels. same for overthinking. you can overthink from the same single perspective, and have decision paralysis from one frame of view, while neglecting other frames of view. you can also 'chill' at higher levels, especially if it's bringing you answers to questions that could not be answered at lower levels, and allowing you to be more productive than you would have been otherwise, and therefore content with your improvement. there are many examples of this. I think anxiety is more of a nervous system problem and can happen at any level, low or high.

[@samuelrowsell2343]

Wouldn’t Greek philosophers be on some of the higher levels though

[@FromFame]

lvl 1: > i want donut lvl 2: > me and other want donut lvl 3: > me and others want donut lvl 4: > me and others want donut but rules first lvl 5: > me and others want donut but rules second science first lvl 6: > me and others want donut but rules AND science AND religion AND tribe AND etc all together lvl 7: > me and others want donut but rules doesn't want donut. Remove rules lvl 8: > me and others want donut but rules OR science OR religion OR tribe OR etc lvl 9: > i dont know if I want the donut

[@kellygreenii]

Right and best is situational… that’s what you realize at second tier…and as you climb higher you still retain access to the lower levels. In fact not having them as a solid foundation can make you dysfunctional even when you are at higher levels of awareness. Which is why it is important to understand the impact of trauma in undermine that foundation. The climb is important because you become more versatile and less reactive to other people. You see people less in terms of good and bad and more in terms of different degrees of being awake. The less awake they are the more people and things they bump into.

[@AnimosityIncarnate]

​​​​@@metagorgeThis is important, this is where you SELF diagnosis issues, to further research, to than bring to doctors a host of symptoms, to find a treatment plan, not for labels or money, or even health, but for every reason imaginable, positive and practical, again Occam's razor is super important here, especially when debating what's best to even tackle. But stagnation is intolerable at a higher level... And realizing you have severe issues, can be quite crippling. Because you realize the dissociative mindfuck you are as a human being... ADHD meds, figuring that out about myself, gave me everything you described... until, I split on a woman again in my life. Horrific experience for everyone involved, after YEARS. Getting BPD/DBT treatment soon... wish everyone was this morally responsible or tries to be 😂😂

[@TheJourney0777]

His way of explaining with his "doodles" is so unique yet so effective. Great video.

[@simhess9720]

Like children he teaching is, hhmm. 👽

[@jasonwilliams9803]

Sam O’nella academy might be something you really enjoy. He also does silly doodles while he teaches

[@pedroivog.s.6870]

​@@jasonwilliams9803I do think Sam O'Nella tends to be a little too fast

[@SNOW_MAN_175]

Yes keep the doodles if you can

[@DESERToftheREEL]

Vihart

[@torshops]

been following the integral movement with books and courses for 10+ years and this breakdown is literally insane

[@PixelSpecies]

As someone with adhd the visuals were perfect. This video helped map out a web of thinking that I’ve been struggling putting a finger on for years

[@givemeshrubs4295]

this stuff is bunk

[@busty5210]

@@givemeshrubs4295 how?

[@DallinTaggart]

@@givemeshrubs4295 you must be a level 3

[@jacepaskett8249]

@@PixelSpecies dude. My thoughts exactly

[@Myke664]

There’s this lady on my block that if you bring her a box of crayons and a little meth, she’ll draw this same picture and give you this exact speech.

[@ddontworyboutit7855]

😂😂😂

[@Chilling23oc]

I promise you that THIS is the highest level of thinking. Joking in such a way when most would look at this all serious 😉

[@gusgus720]

Or toss her a bag of mushrooms and ask how her trip was 😂

[@reliablealpha6100]

I met a lady at a motel but instead of a box of crayons or a little meth, she wanted kfc. Didn't give me a speech though, her mouth was full. But I'm sure she enjoyed the kfc once i left.

[@timothyblazer1749]

Mama Murphy? ;-)

[@eliasluoto]

"I am not the main character, I am just the spotlight [...] If we want a better world and a better life, we have to learn where and how to shine that light." That was a great way of expressing the 'point' of a lot of meditative practices and eastern mysticism dealing with level 9 stuff.

[@YesitisDex]

Yes. As a practitioner that gets triggered explaining stuff to “students” I appreciate this very much.

[@Arcanineisthebest]

Which completely obliterates the concept of thinking about thinking. Eastern misticism is all about being in the present moment and radical awareness, they knew thoughts were a poorly constructed theories of reality, and knowledge through learning and experience was much more valuable than any thought your head can produce. Meditation if done correctly actually DETACHES you from your thoughts and grounds you in the present experience.

[@greglloyd2377]

and it wasn't invented in 1960.

[@ethanoverwatch407]

This is why I think keeping a journal about how you are thinking and what is making you think that way is so important. I get to remember it all in a way that the brain itself has difficulty doing. Memories fade, but journaling will let “future me” see what “past me" was thinking from the observations, and what was making me think what I was thinking. Because I WAS that person and am OBSERVING that person, I can have new thoughts about what the person I am now thinks. Which gives me new things I can do from the observation of myself and my past self combined. I get to do and build what I want to make the future self I want to be. This is why thinking about thinking is so important for yourself, but also for everyone.

[@matthiasthulman4058]

The little drawings help so much more than when I tried learning this through pure text. I hope this channel flourishes, this is incredibly helpful.

[@zwayygaming8382]

Personal examples with a walkthrough of the line of thinking helped a ton too

[@gooble69]

A lot of people (like myself) are visual learners. You could've given me a book or an audio-only version and I would've switched off after 30 seconds.

[@matthiasthulman4058]

@@gooble69 exactly, if I can see it, I can figure it out on my own more or less. Just hearing it is like listening to someone give directions. Instantly forgotten once the trip starts

[@Haddonfield63]

@@matthiasthulman4058💯💯💯

[@Mans_Brand]

Who else is here from that one TikTok?

[@mrmaxin53]

@@Mans_Brand yup

[@slightlyperfect]

Yup.

[@mschricker3185]

Bet!

[@rozegoldxk8859]

✋🏽

[@Curiosity78]

Yup

[@joshuachambers9302]

Level 8 and 9 remind me of what mindfulness meditation people talk about! Fascinating to see how different sciences and cultures can overlap like that

[@Lolarothschild]

I love mindfulness. We practice it every night in my dorm

[@raijin7707]

Your dead on the money, meditation is definitely key. Meditation helps your mind expand but not just meditation alone, your mind has to be willing to expand and you cannot expand if you do not make room for more ideas to enter your mind unbound by biases. The more you can open your mind and be less judgmental the more room for expansion. Nuance is key for true growth, when you press in to learn more and understand more both light, dark and everything in between the universe unfolds everything in front of you. It's like staring into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you. Likewise the universe, don't stop, keep pushing. Leave not one stone left overturned and life as you know it will look like a matrix. More layers will peel back and just observe, lvl 9 is where it's at but only if you can handle it. You have to open your own mind to expand that far, it's a matter of one's own will to make a way. Will you tell yourself you know enough or will you open up to be once more surprised that this universe is in communion with you.

[@tenesenka]

A lot of "esoteric" or "occult" stuff from early ages are legitimate things. A lot of Eastern practices like meditation have actual positive brain effects, and magick in Europe prior to Christianity, half of it was just proto-psychology rituals for self-development and discipline.

[@wretchedsoullikemine]

Meditation and mindfulness is definitely a level 6 practice, 100%. Level 7/8 is observing the results of, and influencing the direction of that mindfulnes, as well as accepting multiple lifestyles and cultures while also believing they exist better separate than they do together. Level 6 would put everyone together. Yuri Bezmenov detailed how meditation/mindfulness was specifically capitalized on by the KGB as a cultural weapon against Americans in order to specifically create the problematic cultures that were directly brought up by hoe_math as a result of 6 thinking. Level 7 thinking is the worldview supported by modern Russia now instead.

[@jerometruitt2731]

Sounds like what people talk about when they're describing "christ consciousness"

[@missparadoll]

I often tell people “I don’t feel real”, yet I never related to depersonalization/derealization because I still *feel* things, and I’m not numb. This is the first time I’ve ever listened to, or read, something that explained the state of mind I so love being in. Thank you for sharing your insight with us! ☺️

[@prisai03]

yeah i also tried telling people what i feel and people told me to stop taking drugs. So since then I dont tell anyone anything and i silently do the things i want in my life to climb the ladder and people are dumbstruck. I don't even say anyone "how" i do it, rather that its just luck. 😂

[@AlwaysBetOnDouk]

Are you sure you don't "feel real" or do you just experience feelings of disconnection and transience? It's a basic philosophical axiom that the only thing we can really be assured of as "real" is our own thoughts and being. "I think, therefore I am". It sounds more like you feel as if the world around you isn't "real" rather than you yourself are not "real".

[@tasenova2717]

"The levels of consciousness are not good or bad, it's self-awareness" that's good of you to point out, because I sit at a level 8 most of the time, and the bills aren't even paid yet. Sometimes you just watch and have no desire to be human now.

[@TheSpiritualNoob]

Yes!!! I have to force myself to engage in reality. I am constantly working on grounding. Especially since my family relationships aren’t great (mom is a narcissist) not having relationships to ground you can be dangerous. That’s why I stress duality, not oneness. Oneness is a reality in other realms, but ego and separation are a reality in this realm. You have to remember both truths.

[@Adrian-cd2tl]

Hmm I did go through that but I got past that ultimately, but that is a wierd feeling for sure

[@Quincy_Morris]

If it’s not good or bad then it’s not good.

[@TheSpiritualNoob]

@@Quincy_Morris that not really the point.

[@milfsrhot]

@@TheSpiritualNoob just lock in bro

[@xvextheoriginal3422]

I think in 7 days racking up to almost a million views really shows that you perfectly explained something that alot of people struggle with. Definitely worth the half hour… im amazed

[@fakedoorsfordinner1677]

I love it

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Well a lot of that is a purchased promotional package. It comes with fake subs, likes, and comments. I'm not saying that someone should never do this, I'm just saying that's probably what went on.

[@fakedoorsfordinner1677]

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Wait sorry, what result exactly? I don't see how fake subs lead to a video doing well (if that's what you mean). Please enlighten me.

[@kevyslatt]

my dad sent this to me. thank you for your video. very grateful. i love your drawings. i love everyone who is actually interested in this. anyone who sees this have a blessed day

[@Sam-du7cm]

merry christmas to you too

[@rethomazure]

this gives me hope that one day, i can have a relationship with my father like that

[@sollohubcullen]

I found myself emotional watching this. I feel like I've sought truth out of the universe too long and not only did I not find answers but I feel like I've isolated my way of thinking from others. I don't feel as alone now and the thought that somewhere out there someone else felt what I felt watching this makes me happy. An elevated consciousness means nothing if you forget the basics. Thank you for your video.

[@2terra259]

I understand how you feel, as time has progressed and we become more self aware we realize the way we think, and notice our separation from others. I don't like proclaiming intelligence on any level but I know that as we increase the depth of the thought we can generate and understand, we tend to solve, live, think, feel and separate from others. This is isolating as the fact we can be viewed by other humans for having a different thought be seen as immoral and labeled as a bad person, very isolating. But it takes time to realize that sometimes the best thing to do is to fit in. Which is probably why higher levels are not intrinsically better. I found that the best way to cultivate this idea and expand volume of consciousness is to connect with other people of similar depth. Just always keep in mind, we aren't better that anyone else, and no one holds superiority, as to err is to be human. so always keep an open mind. Good luck on your journey, friend.

[@iFaFo_0]

🖖

[@aura.expanse]

for me trusting the universe and that everything will be okay is the only thing that keeps me going atp. the one thing i know is that its my friend so ill just accept what its doing for me 🤷‍♂

[@2terra259]

@@aura.expanse hey dude you should give "the alchemist" a read, I think you'd really enjoy it. Given your interest

[@musashiwebb]

I have discovered that the key is learning to "tune in" to the different consciousness levels being expressed or utilized by the individual or group, as well as being consciously aware enough about the advantages(or lack thereof) of discerning whether it is an optimal action for you(myself) to interact with them or not. To practice, you have to engage with almost all the variations of consciousness levels expressed by different beings at their own levels, however once you get the hang of it(or at least when it seems obvious for you to) you choose to associate with those that will optimize your life as well as the lives you too can optimize as well(some are more receptive than others to "change" lol). Like a string(or in groups, strings) on a guitar, you must learn to understand and be able to recognize the tension(or lack thereof) of each consciousness level, learn to adjust your own to each variation for maximum harmony, and generate the unique symphony of experience we all love called Human Being, filled with both Joy and Suffering, and so much more. Eventually, you will be so adept at it and the community at large will be so attuned to it that you yourself can be one of the main "Strings" that help to tune all the other strings in order to optimize the world and the future of humanity. At least, that's my theory or wish. Regardless, good luck to all who read this, and may God bless you and your loved ones.

[@meakia9]

I've been studying all of this from psychology and spiritual traditions, and personal experience for decades, but I've never seen it all in one place like this. Thank you

[@cassielee1114]

Yes!! It’s funny because people at a lower level will say “all these books and videos all say the same thing but in different packaging, they all just copy each other” but it’s no, they all say the same thing because the truth is the truth and everyone’s coming at it from different angles. It all connects beautifully.

[@ScarletAsmodai]

My therapist calls this objective intellectualizing of my self and told me this is what leads to my analysis paralysis in choosing who I am. She warned me that disintegrating my identity into a collection of processes influenced by time, surroundings and values is what lays at the ground of my panic attacks when I internally realize that knowing will never get me what I want, which is - still - control, but without interfering with the agency of other people around me.

[@vidara6093]

lvl 10 therapist

[@adriancape4752]

I see what you mean. Alot of times in life we understand things by their opposites as well, showcasing a balance in that form of thinking/feeling. Almost like for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. While I can see that these thoughts lead to a loss of self, at the same time it's your eyes interpreting light waves at whatever interval in order just to percieve, it's your skin detecting energy in the air and that's how we feel heat energy. Our minds interpret this natural world(and only at it's speed, this speed differs from thing to thing) and with every last bodily process we have we internalize this natural world and regurgitate that same info but with our own unique twist. In that way you are creating this world and that's what you have control over, the meaning of it all. And if you wanna be damned by it then you will, if it's freeing than it's freeing.

[@vidara6093]

@@adriancape4752 lvl 8 spirit pathology

[@enijize1234]

You have to accept at some stage and others, you MUST interfere with other people's internal agency. There is no escaping this without becoming a self sustaining hermit

[@Shjejkf278]

Who cares. The world isn’t as sunshine and rainbows as your therapist makes it out to be. If you have to be a shell of your former self to appease this modern society, then so be it.

[@dominickbennett2354]

22:10 if you’ve made it this far and you don’t see how this gives you power over your behavior consider a wrench. If you try and turn a bolt with your hand gripping the neck of the wrench, you’ll have to exert way more energy to turn it. However if you grip from the tail you have more leverage. Zooming out and thinking about thinking at this level gives you leverage over your behaviors

[@TankNelson]

@@dominickbennett2354 no way I was watching this video straight thru full screen and the first time I pause to look at comments it’s at the time stamp you marked and you’re commenting about that time

[@DreLaurent]

This is why ignorance at times is bliss and being able to turn it off is hard for me and often when i have too much free time i indulge in thinking and over analyzing actions. it gets very exhausting

[@calvincash8918]

Agreed. It's physically exhausting, even. Brain uses too many calories

[@megansuarez8144]

@@DreLaurent I’ve been trying to live more in ignorance lately 😭

[@Yohan421-e5g]

@@DreLaurent Dr. K has a good video about this, I too, overanalyze things. I think there's this term called analysis paralysis

[@BIGGELATO]

its mentally draining, but you need to also dive into why its so exhausting and understand that part of it too in order to figure out solutions to slow down and give your mind a rest when needed. By knowing how to do it, when to do it, its like a car with or without a fuel gauge, it makes all the difference in the world to have one. Can't always be at full throttle all the time, need to know an efficient speed to max out this mental mileage... life gets better when you find how your own mind works.

[@aishi_rei]

@@DreLaurent I don’t believe that ignorance is bliss. I only believe in contingency.

[@crow2989]

When level 7 was introduced, my mind was blown. I’ve been having a realization over the past few months that i’ve been improving a lot because i’ve spent a lot of time rethinking my actions throughout my life and what motivated them, how others felt, how those feeling would make me feel, how others would view me if they saw me behaved that way, understanding that different people have different views a lot variety of topics that might seem objective at first, accepting people just think differently and have very different views and goals. I started a new job which i drive an hour to and from so i have a lot of thinking time. I’ve thought about my life over and over. I also acknowledge i have a very different mind now then i did prior to college, my life goals feel more narrowed in and my maturity feels more engrained. I understand that comes with time and experiences, both of those turning me who i am today. Such a great video, i will be thinking about this all week Edit: I believe i’ve used level 8 and 9 a decent amount of times recently, for sure when i got close to graduating college, and when i started my new job. After i few times of realizing i was actually fixing bad habits using my mind to reinforce good thoughts and behaviors, i made a mental map of areas of my self i what to work on and broke those areas into bits of benefits and cons. Learning about yourself by examining yourself is one of the coolest things. I still have alot to work on but i can tell improvements have been made and it’s only the beginning

[@UniversalMusicLtd584]

Hey brother, good to hear. Remember though thought isn’t consistent and it’s not you so do not attach yourself to it. No matter how high level it seems, observing is more important ❤ 💯

[@Czarborough]

I love this, it’s so refreshing to hear more about this in others

[@crow2989]

@@UniversalMusicLtd584 Observing yes, the more watch myself, the more i critique the habits and behaviors i don’t think are beneficial to my long term goals. Reminds of a quote from some story. “They are learning how they learn”

[@ConfusedAnemicMoth]

This is the first time Ive seen a whole ass paragraph, like a almost essay like sentences or whatevs the word or sentence im trying to create. This is a bit new.

[@CptEmotionlessVODS]

But did you realize that you were realizing that you were developing and altering habits through time. Did you watch yourself in your observation of observing. Why? Why did you do that? See the thing is there is a level ten. That everyone fears and avoids like the plague. The question is : why? Why do you do any of this? Why watch at all? And then it goes further. Why ask the question why?

[@grantjones2088]

This video came at a weird time… I graduated with a bachelor’s degree in Psychology literally last week. Four years of education taught me plenty about Piaget, Freud, etc. but this video basically summarizes everything. Thank you for making this video, it is cool to see everything I have learned come together into one amalgamation. (I was mentally fact checking you the entire time)

[@americandissident9062]

Come back in five years and let us know how much useful info you actually learned in school. Everything a psych degree teaches about Piaget, Maslow, Freud, Erikson, etc. is nearly basic human associate’s degree knowledge at this point.

[@jakubkoterba5968]

Yep, as someone who studies psychotherapy I can tell it shows really good how does psychotherapist think during terapeutic sessions. Wish you luck with your studies :)

[@ozanox6700]

Lol

[@ladasodaexplains3355]

Same here, literally graduated a week ago, just that my degree was in economics. Surprisingly when you dig deeper the core ideas of economics are actually based in philosophy and psychology instead of mathematics.

[@gavriilkremastiotis1914]

@@americandissident9062 Its only natural for a psych degree to cover basic knowledge about Erikson or Freud. They are not even psychologists!

[@toddkobell162]

This video was beautiful. I have never experienced level 9, but have had a couple level 8 experiences when my life changes significantly and I get anxious or scared about all the change, but I put on a brave face because I realize it could be so much worse and it's all perspective as my life really isn't that bad and I'm blessed for every day I get. I find it therapeutic to just sit and really experience my emotions and my mind's thoughts. I think about what I feel and think and why so that I can heal myself and try to become a better version of myself. I pretty much don't really care what anyone thinks of me but I also do constantly think about what everyone else is thinking and why when I am in any social environment. I constantly do breakdowns of the world and my place in it, and I resonate very heavily with the idea that the higher levels make people "hippies" who are carefree and really care about everyone just being happy and unburdened. Life can be so stressful or overwhelming but literally only if you let it, sometimes you can just say 'whatever I don't care, it doesn't matter' and you'd almost certainly be right. The world is too big to get caught up on the little things or what people think.

[@An_Alt_Account]

Dude this channel is so cool and expresses so many new ideas that I've genuinely never seen anywhere else. So cool that you do this and share your thoughts and thinking with us. Whether it does or doesn't get loads of views, it's so interesting to see these ideas expressed and taught. It's as if you've discovering your own useful branch of psychology and sharing it with the world, super dope stuff.

[@name_adi]

I know right?? This dude's insane for coming up with this much stuff by himself

[@aryansharma9727]

​@@name_adi I don't believe these are original thoughts. people have thought these things before him, and he has probably read up on those texts. there is a chance he has come up with the ideology independent of those texts which is commendable but unlikely imo

[@MrFrankEast]

@@aryansharma9727 I think its just the fact that hes on youtube and graphically complied them in an easy format which is nice. Anybody that takes information and compiles it to make it easier for people to understand is smart

[@MaidenMacabre]

The subject matter isn't new, the capsule in which he explained it is incredibly well done and likely easier to digest for most though

[@projekt84]

Read power vs force by David Hawkins if you want this kind of info

[@jessegraham6001]

This is the most clearly stated intellectual dissertation I've ever seen someone make on the internet in a long time. Power to you hoe_math. It's like a breathe of fresh air watching this. Time army? LOVE IT! Nice ring to it.

[@anim8dideas849]

Bruh plz tell me your not over 15 years old

[@disabledchatzen5276]

No Time Army for you then. Good riddance.@@anim8dideas849

[@LockandLaugh]

@@anim8dideas849 Lmao!

[@_G4.R4_]

L

[@CoolTools1482]

Please. I beg you, get rid of this garbage and adopt the actual levels of thought. These are not them. These are considerations non-indicative of higher thinking. Study Bloom's Taxonomy, it's better.

[@TucanusFace]

The drawings feel more authentic and less pretentious because it avoids the trappings that often characterize such topics. I love it! When I dived into this channel for relationship advice, I never expected to be catapulted into this sort of thing. Thank you!

[@brooke9064]

Thank you for taking the time to explain this in a more palatable way, beautiful! You are positively guiding people in so many ways- opening eyes, creating likeminded connection, and I’m sure helping people not feel so lonely.

[@NightOwlGamingz]

I hope this channel becomes more then just dating advice. I love his ability to communicate complex ideas in an easy to understand way.

[@21morpha]

I would really think it would be great, but it would probably suck if he tried to force it, talking about things he doesn't like or care about. I mean, let's just hope this dude have interests beyond dating. This video suggests it does. I hope he doesn't fall for that trap of betting always on the money making machine thing (which is easy even for smart people because, you know, involves money), making videos that please the algorithm and not himself. PS: I just got here on the channel, I wasn't even aware of the dating advice theme, but I loved it.

[@slt4463]

it was dating advice huhhh

[@phonixMAM]

this is trash

[@wg8561]

​@@21morphathis is the first video I've ever seen from this channel. I like it, but yeah I hope the rest isn't the typical alpha/sigma male bullshite or I'll be gone.

[@uwu.-.5873]

​@@wg8561its not. I've seen his tiktoks he bashes both sides

[@jackbrozny904]

I took AP psychology last year and it when pretty in depth about a lot of these topics, but now just a year later I realize I didn’t really retain a lot of the information that I think was most valuable. I just binged your whole channel and you put things in a way that really stick in a way that reading a textbook doesn’t quite do. I love your videos and I hope this channel makes you rich

[@Volse]

you did not retain the knowledge of psychology as it was taught by female lecturers or in their syntax. Check "Sex and Culture" by Unwin + Brave New World by Huxley and you will have wider view on psychology

[@nukesynk6390]

If you forget easily exercise your mind by jornaling In schools in my cointry they used chalk boaurds for every student and they woulld wipe the chalk away right after they finished the stupidity of it is obvious in retrospective but we do that with good thoughts we dont write down

[@dominusbalial835]

Your education doesn't stop outside of your schooling there's a enormity of wealth of information online if you can locate and secure reliable trusted sources of information.

[@hellaspoicey2280]

Bro is working his way out of level 3

[@simonwillover4175]

He doesn't need to be rich.

[@deeplightstudio]

I never saw a metacognitive breakdown of this before, but this is a banger video. On level 8 there's probably the perception of the passage of time, which changes depending on the scale you're operating at (like flow state.) Many people treat that as accidental and are peripherally of aspects of it, but consciously entering it is on an even higher since it deals with our attention and relationship with time. Being aware of the threshold of consciousness and what lies outside of it, and actively modifying those boundaries to serve us better might be around that level as well. There's so many levels beyond and I hope to keep noticing them now

[@Veshawn]

this is a fresh comment i hope to one day notice things to your degree

[@8irnbvla59]

Isn't passage of time on level 7? I understood that on level 8 you see all the events at the same time as if they were not ordered in time. Like, when you conceive a 4D surface as a MOVIE of a morphing 3D surface, you are on level 7, but when you understand the 4D surface as a whole by understanding it's EQUATION you are on level 8.

[@XxovixenoxX]

I enjoy your drawings and how you go back and tie everything together every step of the way.

[@michaelmcanelly]

This man literally just took me through every level as he explained it. Thinking through level 9 is nuts af

[@Signiaa_]

I’m autistic with ADHD and I’m usuallly on a level 8, if not, level 7. when I get high however, I get wired into level 9 and gradually to go back to level 7-8 once sober. At times level 9 thinking can last for days. Honestly I believe that this is the cause of hyper awareness of masking, sensory processing, and emotional intelligence. As hoe math said, sometimes higher isn’t better, with all that self awareness comes daunting self responsibility and forced self reflection

[@Ozubura]

@@Signiaa_Same I don’t like 8 very well. I found it ironic that level 1 had autism as the pathology but (I high dislike this term) most “HF ASD” people understand up to 7 from an early age and can (doesn’t mean they do) process on 8 a lot due to the constant analysis on their social interactions because we have to do those manually; however, ONLY if they are aware they are autistic. Elsewise you get stuck in the lower levels (under 5). Edit: I agree completely on the sobriety aspect. Unless I’m medicated this does not work.

[@thatgamertho227]

@@Signiaa_ yeah maybe u should rewatch the vid a few times, don't think u really get it

[@fuwe]

level 9 is quite literally just monist thinking which has been around for centuries, there are 1 billion teachers for self realization and the process for it, this video just describes A CONSTRUCTED levelling process that isn't correlated with reality in any sense and is entirely based on his experience

[@Dimitri88888888]

i spend most of my time between level 8 and 9 and i have to say it is incredibly exhausting. Every 6 months or so i get a completely different results on my personality tests and it feels like i'm a completely different person and cant recognize myself, sometimes i read text from only 2 years ago and im completely baffled with what i wrote and come to the realization that it literally was a different person as i have change over time due to my subjective experiences and im observing the fact that i observed that. And it makes me realize that i truly have that unlimited possibilities on who i could become and who i am. Its like so to me everything is completely subjective including my own mind and the way i observe my mind is also subjective. "I think therefore i am" feels like it doesnt apply me. Because how can i be sure that that is the case, what about the me that thought 2 years ago, that me was a completely different me, its not the me as i know me today and its definitely not the me that i will be in the future, is the me of today even the me of the future, am I truly even me or even real? What even am I?

[@jeffercine]

I was an art major. Keep your doodles as they are. They are a perfect compliment to your spoken word and quick editing style. If thr drawings were any more detailed or more complex it would distract people more and most likely lose viewers. I used to drink heavily and lost my "self". It took me 1.5 years of trial and error and many therapy sessions and CBT lessons to finally become aware of my "self" again and progress through mindfulness exercises. I've had a lot of time to just sit and think during the last 9 years now. Your video has helped me understand and visually compartmentalize the various levels and states of awareness. I think it might be difficult to progress to each next level past the white line without having someone else to talk about and relate to it with. I think I sit somewhere in 6 and waver back and forth down to 3 or 4 and then up to 7.

[@winteriniraq]

​​​@PseudoWounds_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _?

[@Aro9313]

​@PseudoWoundsc*ck and ball torture?

[@riley530]

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy @PseudoWounds

[@DanHikariMusic]

Your brain is beautiful, man. A lot of these stuff I’ve thought about before on my own, but I don’t have the skill set nor the knowledge nor the patience to synthesize and order them like this. Your videos really have given me a lot of clarity about a lot of things, and now I’m deeply interested in reading and learning more about psychology. This is becoming one of my favorite KZbin channels.

[@graysendenlinger9498]

You just helped me understand my life long feeling of loneliness, when no one else can be as aware of themselves as you are it makes you feel like you’re doing all the heavy lifting and emotional carrying. I knew this, but it broader, less overarching words that I couldn’t explain to another, thank you.

[@susmitamallick2777]

I love how chaotic and confusing this is and somehow it still manages to make everything understandable XD I think the doodles look pretty cute. The important part is finding your way to explain the what you want!!

[@baldworks]

this is nonsense if you have read works by greek philosophers you would know this video is far from accurate

[@JustinLietz]

@@baldworkswhich works are you talking about? I have read some works on philosophy myself, and its my understanding that many of these philosophers would concede that their way of thinking might not be right or wrong, it just is the way it is, and the philosophy is often a tool for navigating this world and our own life

[@danlightened]

It's a whole vibe. It all works beautifully together, somehow.

[@susmitamallick2777]

@@baldworks I never said it didn’t make sense, the way he presents the video is a bit chaotic but in a good way I loved all of it! The way I framed it must’ve been misleading for you :)

[@susmitamallick2777]

@@danlightened I agree!

[@nicolevb8747]

I finally stumbled upon something that explains my way of thinking! Whenever I deep talk with people, I feel like I'm talking past each other. I always tried to explain that I saw the world in a 'zoomed out' way, but I always had the feeling that I wasn't fully understood.

[@nicolevb8747]

I'm constantly at an 8. Sometimes I try to 'stop thinking' and then I am passively a 9 but focusing on lower levels. But most of the.time I am a 9 but with nichilistic and owerwealming Perspektive on life so its quite 'depersonalising' and 'derealising' because you cant 'choose' a sertain path. so you are just existing but in a 'philosophical' way. you dont really have passion but thinking about existencial (zoomed out) and psychological (zoomed in) things.

[@enzodriver]

Yes I often feel like I look at life and earth from an alien perspective seeing everything anew yet complex.

[@TechThroughHistory]

I know exactly what you're referring too. Reading some of these comments about people claiming they're level 7 or above and making my own theories on what is higher than level 9, it's alright people don't understand you. Sometimes I have to realize not everyone thinks at the same level as I do and I have to humble myself and simplify the concept. I honestly believe people operating at this level are neurodivergent because I am, and we will lead our civilization to the stars. We are the future of mankind.

[@Aeeleday]

THIS!!!! Yes. I feel like people look at me like I’m crazy but whatever 😂

[@jahsehisntdead9333]

Using my high level thinking Im thinking you just think youre the smartest in the room at all times and are very egoistic. I hope Im right!!!

[@xxMCAbsolutxx]

Level 10 sounds like being in the flow state of creation or working out, actually getting the brain to quiet down and just live

[@Lucia-io3dn]

stoicism lvl complete

[@Arcanineisthebest]

Flow is an ACTUAL level of consciousness, like fight or flight or focused attention. This is Ken Wilbur's pseudo science bullsht.

[@SalahFadel]

That's more like level 0 !

[@zahscr]

Exactly, level 10 is when you realize all this rationalization is fun but has its limits and and you’re back to going straight from will to action

[@StateAlchemist7]

In numerology, 9 is the final and perfect level.

[@karenpohlman8524]

I feel so validated, what you’re talking about has been running around through my head for a while, and I had difficulty putting it into words. Thank you for this.🎉

[@jiffpop5143]

This is a really cool way to organize ways of thought, but I'm getting the vibe that it attracts people who have an intelligence superiority complex, giving them a way to 'rank' how smart they are and others are

[@pia1938]

I assume intelligent people would do anything to stay on the lower levels. Higher levels describe and lead to madness more than intelligence in my opinion.

[@zedoran]

Yes, it does. Everybody who is ranking themselves is at most and most often at 5. Higher levels would not.

[@Starkogi]

I’m sure that’s just a general rule of ideology. There’s always someone ruining things. This is a just a hyper aware categorization of cognition beyond the self. If someone’s gonna turn that into bullying, that was always their plan lol

[@antiteros]

Absolutely the oposite in my case. I have almost no intuition and have to intellectualize everything to understand. I makes me feel like a fool trying to understand and categorize everything instead of just living. So material like this speak in the languaje i understand better, humbeled, not proud because of that

[@MrMcWitt]

Ohhh yeah lol, good point. Pretty sure there’s another chart for that lol

[@spacecandygames7575]

Honestly I’ve been in the red pill space for around 10 years now. You’re like the only channel that hasn’t made it worse nor dilute it with bad material. Instead you make simple explanations and diagrams to help get people to understand! Thank you so much

[@hoe_math]

All the red pill content I've seen focuses on "how to defend your interests as a man." I dislike the partiality of that, and I want to make people into overflowing fountains of giving who make shrewd choices about who to give to, rather than fearing who not to give to. It's an all-around better orientation.

[@spacecandygames7575]

@@hoe_math that’s fair the content has greatly went downhill. This is reminiscent to the 2015-2018 glory days.

[@_vapor]

really don't understand the appeal of red pilled content, it implies there is a good way to do things and most of the time content itself is rather toxic...

[@spacecandygames7575]

@@_vapor I agree. See it started with literally just taking the pill that women weren’t these angelic creatures that you get by being nice, sweet, and showering them with love. Due to all romance movies having the nerd get the girl at the end etc. redpill taught that it’s the masculine attractive men who got the girl, that being rich is a priority as well and that women are capable of extremely bad behavior as well……I remember content before that and for my age group it was terrible. Created a bunch of “betas” “simps” “nice guys” etc that became Incels later on. So red pill isn’t needed now but in the past it definitely was

[@TheLocfox]

​ @hoe_math Hey man, I love your content! Why are you doing it? (I would love to see a video about it) I wanted to make a long comment here, about how I think you are not aware of how your videos could be interpreted.. especially in a short form it might have a different meaning that you would like to convey, however, I only have an assumption what you want with these videos! Also, who the fuck I am to talk.. just felt like I would like a comment like this if I were you.. :$ (English is not my first language, I hope grammatically I am saying what I mean :D )

[@theGhostSteward]

One of the hardest things I learn as a teen was something a therapist told me and I hate " Anxiety is extremely individualistic". I FEELS like it's not cause you are always thinking "But what they would think about me?" but you are not actually being aware of other peoples feelings you are just stuck in your head ASSUMING you know what they think. You are extremely aware of your actions and thought but now enough aware of the PROCESS of thought. Thats why (I think) anxiety could be a 6.

[@sambodagamer2603]

too focused on outcomes. life isn't found found in an imagined future

[@bloodypommelstudios7144]

I think each level creates new opportunities for anxiety to present itself. Hell even level 1 could be extremely anxiety inducing because the world is a strange confusing place you don't understand.

[@WhatWouldEzoimDo]

I agree. For me the assumption of knowing iz based on knowing SELF in which one can understand what others may be thinking in that moment. Now an important thing to remember is it works better when you know said otherz. ÷

[@AvIsIoNINaDrEamR]

Anxiety is mostly focused on level 1 diminishing in 2 and 3. With more perspectives the anxiety goes down. Holding on to your ego is level 1 anxiety.

[@donsolos]

I would say I legit reached level 8 in the last week after a profound realization, but I still struggle with anxiety. Like you said there are many reasons for anxiety. Learned response, external stimuli, too selfconscious. I also reflect personalities so if I am around someone super anxious it makes me anxious as well Too small of thinking

[@eikadavis]

Thank you for posting. You have relieved a great burden of mind from me. I often accepted the idea that 7-9 levels of thinking were “unnecessary” and me “thinking too much” but now that you have validated, solidified, and given concrete form to my experiences, I want to take back and own and live in my upper levels and allow myself my natural instincts. I deeply appreciate the thought and care you have put into this video.

[@orenthabigg5973]

me too man . i would love to have a discussion with someone who has reached these higher levels. u down

[@LilB0pete]

Wow I loved this entire video. I try to spend a lot of time at level 7 or 8 thinking, I have considered it my “reactionary pause”. It’s the pause while you watch your instinctual response and then deciding what is the best action to take to stay within my character. When I act out of anger/fear, or feel like I am acting outside of what I choose to be my best character- I often feel as if I have let myself down.

[@ecoliesrein790]

The Goosebumps that you just gave me hurt, yet feel so good😂😂😂 Almost stoped watching the video!!!

[@mach16j]

I had a lot of issues and was depressed so to escape I had to rip my consciousness apart and dissect where all my issues were coming from. The last example you gave with your drawings was surprisingly exactly the way I figured out how to work through my problems

[@xpertd1962]

It was the same with me. I think the journey to self-improvement requires you find higher and higher levels of understanding.

[@FurlessApe22]

Hey there, I'd highly recommend checking out Buddhism (This isn't some "you need jesus" crap, Buddhism is a method of living in this life). The 4 noble truths are literally about that, accepting that suffering is, that you can find the root cause of it, that you can stop it and then a "path" towards living without. Ripping apart your consciousness is exactly that. Also, HealthyGamer GG channel is an excellent start.

[@SebastianYwaskewycz]

@@FurlessApe22really interesting thanks for the insight

[@JesusNOTreLIEgion]

He says: "this isn't some you need Jesus crap" Then proceeds to offer a religion that you spend essentially forever trying to quit being reborn even though you have no soul or person. 🤦 All based on the teachings of a man who was just one of the many bodhisattva BUT *specifically* from the "Tuṣita" heaven, (buddhist cosmology is migrane inducing, cuz ya kno: "dukkha") who, depending on which opinion from which buddist "off-shoot"/sect (in other words no one knows, or EVER DID) decided to take the shape of a "white elephant to be reborn on Earth for the last time." 🤨 This white elephant, enlightened state buddha, from a specific heaven, for whatever reason, went into what I guess he chose to be his mother's womb (via her right side?) to be born, but was still a result of sex of his mom and dad(?). 🧐 All this to live a life in search of how to "detach" and "break the cycle" which he for some reason was the first one to "figure it out" giving us the "middle road" to achieve nirvana as a means to quit being born over and over again (be good or you might be born as a dung beetle) 😑 BUT.... No "Jesus crap" though... Obviously you can do whatever you want, you've been GIVEN the free will to do whatsoever you please. But don't try to reduce the real undeniable existence of Jesus Christ to "crap". Jesus Christ, who factually lived, that we have verifiable first hand witness accounts of, is backed by historical, archeological, and scientifical evidence...not to mention the literary miracle, the Bible, and it's never been exhausted details and explanations for human existence, creation, meaning, moral values, reason for suffering/evil, death, eternal life after... but yeah....Buddhism bro, no Jesus "crap", btw check out this dudes channel he's like super close to nirvana man." I say all that to say this: Believe it or not I got nothing but love for you and since I come from a Catholic upbringing which led me to hate church in the Bible only to eventually come to the realization that my preconceived notions and bias towards the Bible we're not fair and we're founded in my CONTINUED dislike (to say the least) of Roman Catholicism. once I put aside my preconceived motions biases opinions and simply just looked in to studying the historicity of the Bible alongside some personal spiritual self-reflection and prayer I came to what I believe to be the only logical conclusion and quite easy to come to with that, which is simply that the Bible is exactly what it claims to be. Jesus of Nazareth, Son of God (literally God in the flesh) came down here 2023 years ago (current year=how long since His bday, go backwards for anytime before [BC] lol, world changing event) to be murdered by His own creation, for you. God in the flesh, who made the entire universe, was sentenced to Capital punishment: death by Roman Crucifixion. Order was given by one "Pontius Pilot" who was the fifth governor of the Roman province of Judaea, serving under Emperor Tiberius. As a result, your Creator, suffered a horrific death, being tortured, spit on, mocked, beard ripped out, and the One who made the entire planet, hung bloody, entirely naked, disfigured, entrails showing; this He suffered while having the power to come down off the cross and wipe out all humanity at any point if He wanted to but no, instead we read in Luke 23:34 'Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do...' God in the flesh died for you. Because if you're honest with yourself you know that you are what the Bible would call a sinner. Because besides Jesus who lived a perfect sinless life (only way to be a perfect sacrifice on our behalf is to be perfect) so is EVERYONE ELSE who ever lived. And a perfect God cannot allow sin into a perfect place such as heaven because if He did, man would ruin all of outer space/heaven just like we are doing to Earth. And the judgement for sin, anything less than perfection, is death and eternity seperated from God in hell. But hell wasn't even made for you, Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire PREPARED for the DEVIL and his ANGELS." And He died for all of His creation because He loves us: ‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‭-‬17‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." So he took your place on the cross, died for your sins, took your sins down to hell when He went there for you and dropped them off, rose from the dead on the 3rd day according to the scriptures, and ascended back up to His rightful place in Heaven. All that just in the HOPES (because He isn't a slave owner He gave you free will) that you will accept His FREE GIFT (you don't earn it) so that you can be forgiven, clean by blood of the "Lamb". These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 1 John 5:13‭-‬14 KJV Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Romans 10: 9-10 ⁹ that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. ¹⁰ For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:13 ¹³For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Get saved brothers/sisters, God doesn't want you trying to worry about breaking The Reincarnation cycle trying to achieve Nirvana or get whatever prize whatever religion is offering you by your own works. No he wants you to know that you are going to heaven by simply trusting in Jesus Christ dying for your sins. He wants you to have peace, hope, purpose, meaning, a literal one on one personal relationship with you; and to spend eternity in Heaven with you there. We aren't guaranteed tomorrow, but we are guaranteed to die; don't put it off just simply trust Jesus Christ (cuz it's not crap, only reLIEgion is) and I hope to see yall topside after this short life on earth. Love. Life is Short Death is Sure Sin the Curse Christ the Cure

[@wiskifrac]

Wow, same to me, i am astounded on the fact other people come up with that and effectively implement it to solve those infinite issues

[@nklinef]

There are two parallels I noticed that are fascinating: 1) how these psychological/societal levels correspond to the explanation of the 10 physical dimensions. 2) how the ancient philosophy of Stoicism defaults at beginning the practitioner at Construct Awareness(Lvl8) and places it's goal making Lvl9 the default Lvl1 perspective, which could be said to be the goal of other philosophies/religious traditions(Buddhism for example), but it is the only such philosophical tradition I'm aware of that is fundamentally constructed to begin at such a high level of awareness instead of gradually achieving it. Great Videos btw, thank you for doing what you do.

[@TheSonSet]

TYYYYYYYYY

[@tianamone1784]

Very insightful!!

[@Aryan-px7ec]

i was thinking the same with dimensions too thats crazy

[@tractorface6869]

oh brother how in the hell do you relate the 10 levels to the 10 dimensions lol. Like tell me one distinc thing about the "curled up" dimensions 5-10 and how they relate to anyhting on this list. the only similaritty is that there are 10 of them. It would be pretty cool if there was some fundemental connection between the structure of our universe and the structure of our consiousness but comparing two (flawed) models and then assuming some fundemental connection is non-scientific. First we would need to determine that this is a proper model of concousness for attacking the question. Also, the 6 curled up spatial dimenssions in string theory have never been measured or observed and string theory is only one group of theories that attempts to explain quantum gravuty. There are many others that don't involve extra dimensions

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

4:21 This is the same issue with 'therapy' and I bumped up against this problem just a few weeks ago. See, i have an issue with wiping off counters. There's just been this lifelong block with this one thing. I'll do dishes, scrub out the fridge and oven, wipe off the cabinet fronts, sweep the floor... then walk out of the room without wiping the counters off. I actually clean MORE in an effort to avoid wiping off the stupid counters. I hate myself for this problem. Why do I do it? Goes back to my childhood. Both training and resentments. I fully understand the why. I know where the complex evolved from and how it affected me. Last week I was talking to my husband and the topic was relevant so I said all that and we finished the conversation and it was done. But later it bugged me. I kept thinking, so now what? I know this is an issue. I know why I have the issue. I understand all the ins and outs and history and psychology of the issue. But I'm a freaking grandmother for the love of gawd. What the hell am I going to DO about it? There comes a point where the navel-gazing has to end. You've explored every crevasse here's no more lint to be found in the little hole. You just have to choose to grow up and actually change the behavior. So I shifted my feelings of resentment from my parent and from my childhood imprinting and made myself resent ME. I now resent that part of me that allowed this BS to carry on for so damn long. And my counters have never been so clean. See, I can't change the parent. I can't change the past. But I can change what I don't like about myself. I am the one factor in the universe that I have control over, so when I can shift my mindset to "I AM THE PROBLEM" now I have the power to fix it. It's always a sweet rush when that shift happens because I know I'm finally able to move forward. Us navel-gazers have to realize that insight isn't helpful unless we apply it. My husband is the least navel-gazing person on planet earth, but when he finds some aspect of himself, he just changes it. There is no navel-gazing. "I don't like that I've been drinking as much as I have. I will no longer drink." "I'm suffering because I go to bed too late. From now on, I have a bed time." And then he *actually does the thing... FOREVER.* He truly is a god among men and I respect him so much. The fact is, why doesn't matter. The only way to improve our lives to to practice radical, personal responsibility and just do the thing. It's a hell of a lot faster and more effective than the brain stuff. But I will admit, it's much less fun.

[@cuscusfutures]

Beautifully said. Thank you for taking the time to articulate something that I am sure so many other people struggle with and can relate to.

[@despecc]

That's why the best self-help advice is to "just do it." If you experience a negative feeling, then DO something about it, and see if you feel better. That's it. I don't think I've ever benefitted from level 6 - level 7 consciousness. It's like trying to solve for 2 + 2 with a quantum computer. It just overcomplicates things and it becomes mental gymnastics so I can procrastinate taking action.

[@MyName-tb9oz]

That was really a great read. You write well and entertainingly. That's pretty rare. It's nearly non-existent in the younger generations. I've been known to do a bit of navel-gazing, myself... But I do try to act on the things I learn from my excessive pondering of nonsense. (I find that writing things down when I think of something new helps make it useful.)

[@nvillarin]

FIRE COMMENT!

[@lih3391]

Best comment I've read in a long long time. Once the thinking is done, the only solution is to move forward. Would be nice if there was a way to streamline the process and act faster, but maybe it comes with practice.

[@DianaGarcia-zb7qf]

My whole life I thought I was insane or thought too deeply and was always being judged for seeing things too out there. I understand now that I was never the problem, they were just not at my level of understanding, which is not a problem to me or at all, really, as I understand everyone has their own way of perceiving life and themselves as it is. I’m so glad I found this video, it’s pretty impressive and I feel so at ease now. Thank you so much for taking the time to accomplish this!

[@XRStudios]

@@DianaGarcia-zb7qf let’s talk more about this!

[@PhobiaDubstep]

You’re poking right through to level 6, according to this video

[@brockzinn181]

My jaw was on the floor for most of this video, and not just your animations lol, but rather that I felt myself following along from my own life over the last few years. Recalling times of so-called 'shedding my skin' after low points in my life, saying like "oh yep, that was my exact observation level in high school, College, etc.". I always figured there was something out there like this but never 'on the head' as this. My stoic and amazing dad told me several times growing up that I just thought differently than my peers, and whenever I found myself frustrated about the inevitable alienation that I began to foster around myself, I realized that everyone around me really only thought for themselves and over trivial stuff no less. Growing up around people much older than myself, I managed to live through a depression of prolonged loneliness because I truly felt that somehow what I thought was intrinsically "correct" or "mature". As you said, "...higher does not always mean better." and that could not be more true, perception or wisdom or whatever 100% come at a price; whether sanity, happiness, connections, or anything else. In any regard, thank you for reading this post and a thin slice of my life, i continue to live humbly on the path of life that we all will continue to walk. 'Learning' too much too quickly can be a difficult, and often painful, hurtle to jump, but i encourage everyone to never quit and know when you are just spinning your wheels in life. Be patient, always take a step back whenever you find yourself lost to your emotion. Sorry for the rant, I rarely if ever comment on videos but this felt different, this is a great video with much to process. I hope everyone has a great life ahead!!!

[@jovialdandelion]

You are beautiful!

[@VF20323]

Thank you for the comment 😌

[@daggaactual]

Thanks for sharing... I felt pretty much the same as you do.

[@Avalanchanime]

The, "I have a sinking cruiser" send me rolling! Xd Whenever I go through my "introspective spirals" in I'm left with an alien feeling, like, if the world I'm living is so gray and artificial... I now believe that those spirals are what happen when I negatively go in that 6-7-8-9-8-9 loop... As you say, it's like having a cruiser... *BUT A SINKING ONE* LMAO XD I automatically reset my level to my good old 4 - 5 zone after some time. Only going higher when I need or want to. Higher levels consume too much power :v xd

[@maskn7208]

I relate pretty heavily, I spent alot of time alone growing up and as a result was in my head alot and still am sometimes to a problem extent maybe. I really appreciate this video because it actually opened my eyes to some of the pitfalls in thinking that can make you spiral abit. Ive been trying to work on myself and improve like anyone and I think this video will help me maybe not stumble so much in the process.

[@chxntellwilliams8205]

I would first like to say I really loved the way you explained and re-explained things. Your organization scratches my brain in a way I appreciate. The second thing I’d like to say is thank you for taking the time to explain this the best way possible while trying not to make it sound too confusing or complicated, i appreciate your perspective. And lastly, you asked to comment if anyone was capable of/or has the ability to think at 7 or above so I’m here to say that I spend the vast majority of my time thinking between levels 9-7 but you know we all fall short so sometimes I think at the other levels too. Depends on whether or not I’m having a trauma response and how aware I am of it in real time or if I have to wait until later and digest what was happening a little more :)

[@BabyKiwiBullet]

I live at a solid 7&8. I can’t even begin to explain the depth of my baseline anxiety. I am envious of people who think less deeply about things. My brain is always working over time, picking life apart to what feels like the atoms, trying to understand my human experience. Grappling with reality. To just go through life, satisfying simple needs, not thinking about these things seems fabulous.

[@RoughCutsIRL]

think less, do more.

[@bryant5786]

You might just have too much free time

[@deniseheywoman]

Level 7/8 and actually SEEING myself change

[@SylBeeSmiles]

LMAO 🤣🤣🤣 as someone who also is at a solid 7&8, I can vouch; it's not the fact that there is "too much" time on OP's hands, it's the fact that me and OP have learned what reality is and we've been trying to pick apart everyone and everything cause we don't understand how stooopid people can be and how they can't see past themselves 😂😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 We could be in college or have full time jobs and kids at home, we would still be doing this 😂😂😂😂😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@conscioustruth350]

@@BabyKiwiBullet you’re not alone. 👊🏼

[@BlazeIsaf]

I found level 10. It’s when you’ve spent so much time in levels 7-9 that you straight up make a conscious decision to revert back to levels 1 & 2 because you realize there’s no point in continuing to abstract things further. You realize that you are your own autonomous system and you decide to just sit back, let it go, and let your consciousness do it’s own natural thing without questioning it’s/your motives constantly.

[@Sultricious]

return to monke

[@merlin_V2]

Tree juice goes brrrr. Monke together High.

[@tcunero]

@@BlazeIsaf I was just thinking a similar thing when I scrolled and read this. I realize my mind is often so caught up how/ why/what/ and the implications of it i often struggle to live in the moment. I realize there was a sort of clarity of simplicity when I was young, that I was hyper aware of now. I currently have to struggle to revert by brain back to this state.

[@SirVonStein]

This is the cycle of what people call "God." It really amazes me that people don't ponder religion further than heaven / god / unity. It's an eternal suffering of being isolated, so you must break yourself apart so that you can distract your own self to connect with other parts of yourself, other people, so that you can all hope to get back to unity and back to oneness, so that you can.... DO WHAT?!? DO IT all over again? That's what some religions say. Reincarnation. Ok great, then what, repeat that infinitum? That's the "best" answer the "best" religions have. An endless cycle, to become present, to transcend being into oneness again. and again. forever. Well to me, that's the definition of insanity, and I know that it's actually not the real definition, but to do the same thing over and over and NOT EXPECT a different result is INSANE. This is the part of the analyzing that doesn't make sense to me. If this is the reason for being, then that's it? Then I'm checking out. If it's not, then the answer cannot be unity and oneness, it actually has to be the opposite. It has to be entropy and chaos, why? Because that creates more things. More things lead to more awareness. Leads to more actions, thoughts, multiverses of being. So if we actually found out that uniting was the wrong thing to aim for... we've been doing it wrong this whole time. Maybe, we're actually supposed to go into chaos and entropy. Embrace the broken, for it allows us so much more to analyze. Rather than being in the moment and being united with nothing actually going on.... Just some thoughts. Sorry it was on your random funny comment, Good shit for you tho!

[@TheIronicExistence]

It hurt itself in its confusion

[@chrisellis4258]

When you realize that thoughts are not actually coming from your inner self but you are actually the observer of the thoughts then we can truly begin to ascend our levels of thought. Great video man!

[@matttzzz2]

The truth is that there IS no "observer". Once you realise that, you'll truly be enlightened. Look up Sam Harris's explanation of free will and meditation.

[@lisaj219]

I haven’t been able to stop thinking about this since I watched it last night. You are all my people ❤

[@tylorbarker9287]

This is an uncanny scientific description and distillation of zen practices and the results they can achieve. This stuff is usually communicated via metaphor, but you do an amazing job of putting it into concrete terms.

[@8irnbvla59]

I don't think "metaphor" versus "concrete terms" make sense here. I think "metaphor with Western symbols" versus "metaphor with Eastern symbols" do. I did this once, translating concepts from ancient Chinese medicine (if you can call it that way) to our words, they were still metaphors, but now they made sense to us.

[@8irnbvla59]

For example, Ying and Yang were analogous to the Freudian internal mother and father in that specific context. Internal father or mother is not something concrete, it is still a metaphor, but it uses references that make sense in our frame of reference.

[@johnhazlett3711]

I grew up during the 60s and 70s. Level 6 was going crazy then. Your evaluation is correct, just because a person has embarked on the journey of higher level thinking, doesn't mean it's better. Those in level 6 then, made the mistake of the cliché, throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They didn't take the time to evaluate why things were, and properly assess what would happen if it was changed, replaced, or just thrown out. They also forgot that ideas have consequences.

[@JerryLiuYT]

And eventually when they got out of level 6, they often went back to level 3 or 4 jobwise ;)

[@pienter593]

This sounds so relatable. I didn’t grow up back then, believe it or not I’m actually a zoomer. I’ve always had my questions about my generation writing of morals they deemed to be outdated. As if they refuse to look at what these morals were put into place for to protect. I understand that times are changing, but I always felt like time is not the only thing in the equation and that human tendency/nature and it’s consequences also have to be taken into account.

[@VACHAUD]

@@uzi11111Don’t you understand why the theory failed in the 70s ? There is no level 7, it’s speculative. And somehow everyone in the comments conceives his present self at level 6. Don’t you see the problem ?

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

Too much level 6 can be even more dangerous than too much level 4

[@rewater]

@@VACHAUD I'd say, go crazy - not literally, but try something unconventional. Attempt to construct a world you'd never expect or engage in something enjoyable just once where you had left all matters of consequences completely dealt with. Once you reach a point where you can observe virtually everything at least once, you can begin to shape reality itself. I believe that there's an infinite amount to acknowledge, but the categories are not. Even if you opt to notice the unity in everything or take a more practical approach, you'll easily adapt to a harmonious lifestyle. The reason the 6th level is so troublesome is because it ignores most aspects of one's perceptions. Every level of thought can be reformed into the values of any of the other ones, except the 6th. It is a bit stuck in the physical aspect of itself. (I was going to post this to the OP, but something happened, I guess. My apologies good sir.)

[@PrethamSai]

My gf and a friend have talked abt this and we like to actually analyze ppl. It starts with expression, then substance, then reasoning behind substance, and then mindset. Expression is what someone shows directly. Their clothes, how they say stuff, anything that just on a superficial level u can describe or categorize them as. Then comes substance. What r they actually saying. It’s like you can say “yes” in a excited way or a hesitant way and it would convey different meanings. Then comes substance behind reasoning. A great example is your brain drawing. Everything u just said about why a girl doesn’t like you (sorry) is reasoning behind substance. Then comes mindset. Which is way harder to explain, but it’s the true origin behind everything you do. It’s kind of like your 7th degree of conscious. Like you see how all of their experiences culminate and you describe exactly why ppl do things. You can never describe someone’s mindset in a single word or phrase, but rather it is the culmination of everything as a person. If you can understand mindset you can understand the entire person as a whole. Anyways what I’ve been wanting to say is that I think you’re 9th level is unfinished. The 8th level is the recognition of the culmination of everything, but then 9th level is not only being able to understand your own culmination of everything, but someone else’s and truely experiencing what they have gone through. See you just desciebed a pattern of conscious and the pattern keeps on going as you go higher and higher and the 9th level is no exception. What you just described is the ability to analyze someone as a whole. The second level is the ability to understand someone else’s expression and then so on and so on (sorry i forgot what each level, but I hope u get the idea). Anyways the 9th level is the ability to understand the person as a whole, but then there is a 10th thing that i feel like is there but I wouldn’t nessecarily call it a level of conscious just more like a realization. You realize that all the information u perceive no matter how object, is finite. You can never truely define everyhting. There is no absolute in anything other than yourself. I believe this is where the cycle comes to a circle. You then come back to the level 1 of consious and build. Keep in mind it is not a cycle but more like the end of a circle. After realizing everything you possibly can, you just go from there. I know what I’ve just described might not seem real to some people and even to others as superficial. But truly know what i’m talking about you need to experience it.

[@leanderredlich8623]

Who da fuck ARE you? My god how is this level of wisdom possible and what philisophies did you study?

[@2terra259]

I don't usually respond to comments but I found this interesting. I would agree with your 'level 10' sort of idea, not as a state of consciousness but a rule of life. But i wouldn't agree with your level 9 in the context of the video. The first reason being, as you said all information is finite which means therefore it can be lost or withheld by individuals. Which would mean for the reality of your level 9 to exist ("but someone else’s and truly experiencing what they have gone through") be impossible. This would kind of have to make me delve into 2 sub reasons as to why but i think this stems from misinterpretation of the video. I don't think hoe math's level 9 was to experience and understand the culmination of *someone else's* experience and existence but instead was the ability to like he said, "knowing where to watch those things"- in context to level 8. Level 8 being the ability to understand the culmination of YOUR experience in real time, to understand the understanding and observe the observing of the culmination. What I drew from the video, the idea of level 9 is the level of thought required to understand which area's to focus on, once again "the *responsibility* for *knowing*-( which in context is the parent to level 8 as a value), *where*-(in reference to being able to understand a higher level of where observing observation is required and necessary, and to understand its role and value in your own observation) to watch those things" that was my interpretation, I look forward to a response. Do correct any of my mistakes from your argument.

[@domorobotics6172]

Yeah, I agree that to do actual stuff in the real world anything above 4 starts to be an obstacle to life

[@kaseycochran7522]

💯✨

[@vanessayeung...]

​@@2terra259 after reading this over i think u may beright, it is more of "self awareness" that hoe math's level 9 is pointing out. But to be fair, @user-lu7rc5br5e said that they think lvl 9 is unfinished - basically it is missing empathy ("but someone else’s and truly experiencing what they have gone through").

[@Zay_Yodye]

I got to the 25 min mark of the vid and it felt like my brain nutted, for a long time I could not verbalize or even really visually see my thought process in its fullest and how each part affects the others much like the physical human body but you sir did an outstanding job with this video kudos to you my friend

[@FreeGibbsEnergy]

Been there. Stop at 7, trust me. 8 and 9 lead to derealization and the abyss of nihilism, not nirvana. At that point you need to realize that you are entering a loop and observing how you observe is making you less happy. Life is a contact sport and time is limited. You wont think about this in hospice. Instead, land the brain plane, dive back into what is primally purposeful (levels 1-3) and eat a cookie, marry a good person, take on real responsibility, have kids, be generous, participate in a small community that cares. Fun to see other smart folks out there.

[@Freeeeeeeee27]

Yeah, just hearing how 8 and 9 are described, it sounds like something you may have temporarily rather than actively. I’m definitely a 7, at least, people have described me that way. I think 4 is the most blissfully unaware state you can be.

[@cristiii7605]

real af

[@keeton1017]

I disagree. If you keep going past the nihilism, you can enter into a space from "nothing matters, why bother 😢" to "nothing matters, let's party 😊" while still meeting friends at their level, but also never feeling the need to explain why your thinking is so radically different and so much more contented than theirs.

[@stephaniecantu6973]

Yep

[@justinp9775]

@keeton1017 nihilism doesn't prescribe the reaction (either who cares, or let's party), only the realization that "nothing matters". Also, I think one's response to their belief that nothing matters is going to be dictated far more by their emotional state in the moment than some kind of deeper understanding.

[@kat2chouu]

i think i just reached level 4. spent 22 years of my life so deep into my own thoughts that i never really fully understood that other people also go through things. lost friends because i wasn’t emotionally supportive enough. now i have a boyfriend and this year i learned that it really isn’t everything about me. i’m able to understand him and feel what he feels

[@SolB808]

Good for you. I still struggle to understand others. But nothing enough practice can't fix

[@joeyoung7338]

Reading this just made me happy for you, wow :)

[@joeyoung7338]

@@SolB808 My advice, Understand yourself first because when you understand yourself, you see yourself in everyone. Meditation #1

[@SolB808]

@@joeyoung7338 I do meditate though I started a month ago. Yeah, I should try to understand myself objectively. It is crazy how I never do that. I will be starting a blog as it turns out writing down stuff actually helps reveal my psyche. Thanks random stranger on the internet

[@miltown3920]

in the same boat. im 21 but this past year being in a relationship and deeply understanding another person has helped me so much in understanding myself

[@Johnwick-07]

This is one of the most unique channels I’ve seen describing the processes of the human mind when it comes to relationship. I think that the drawings make it fun and easier to process the information. This channel will get to 1 million subscribers!

[@andrea35470]

Amazing way to explain it ! I never knew how to explain all the different phases of thinking that we go through in life, when it happens it feels like it cannot be categorized but you did it somehow. This is gold!

[@laurynadel8782]

"Flowers for Algernon" by Daniel Keyes, I think it's a great book that takes you through each of these levels from a first-person perspective. An impaired man takes a pill for a study and it enhances his intelligence. You're able to watch his thoughts build up, fluctuate, and decline. Made my cry. A must-read in life!!

[@aaronnikels5706]

Oh my god, I read this book about a month ago and I absolutely adore it! It’s so well written. The juxtaposition between emotional and intellectual development is incredible to see and how Charlie evolves throughout the book and grapples with his problems is fascinating to read

[@bxbblooo]

I READ THIS A FEW YEARS AGO BACK IN 7TH GRADE. Damn never thought I would hear about it again. Definitely can apply some of these concepts to that book

[@criticalthinking_matters]

Absolutely AMAZING book! One aspect to it I also love is how you see the progression of his intelligence in how his grammar and sentence structure changes. You’ve inspired me so excuse me while I go read it for the probably 7th time 😂

[@dibdap2373]

That book was on my to read list when I was exploring science fiction novels years ago, but I never got around to reading it. I think now I will.

[@liamosvaldo3634]

I read this book. I loved it and I recommend it to all my friends who are interested in reading.

[@jan-k7x1c]

This makes a lot of sense and explains why I'm constantly wondering how other people are unable to see the "bigger picture". I thought about my thought process throughout the video and came to the conclusion, that I shift between everyone of those levels constantly, but mostly operating from level 7. Sometimes more primal urges come up and I find myself in the lower levels, until I realise my own stubbornness lmao

[@IDRC3000]

lol yeah is like you know you are going primal and suddenly decide to go up again. imo is good to be like that sometimes, if not, you won't be able to enjoy the small things. operating in high levels is draining, so those things are better applied when your activities involve other people and not only yourself.

[@MindGameElevation]

There is always two angels of every count, what are you failing to see as well

[@frotercannon2740]

You said something 8 there lol

[@bolillo5013]

Quite relatable in some ways

[@mmedrano21]

@@IDRC3000 I’ve found that whiskey helps with more comfortable operation at any level.

[@rolandtreial]

Man, you are really in your creative flow right now. Looking forward to the long version. I actually find the low budget production refreshing, differentiates you from all the people teaching stuff online.

[@jaketauro5534]

I’ve never heard someone describe so accurately and clearly what the different levels of thinking are. I’m at college at this point in my life, and I spend a lot of time in my room thinking these days. Not wanting to sound arrogant, but I feel as though I spend a lot of time between levels 7 through 9. It almost feels like I can’t turn my thoughts off sometimes. Constantly thinking. Great video, this put words to things I have been experiencing for quite some time now.

[@joseph8298]

Carl Jung would love you hoe_math, the exploration of the (accurate) archetypes here is incredible

[@hoe_math]

😁

[@Volse]

Archetypes stop working about level 4, they work only till certain level, above that you create your own type, without any ancient meanings and this is why psychology is innacurate and rather theoretical, non-masculine.

[@spicywave]

@@Volsenon-feminine too, it would make all this “life shit” more alienating and less human

[@JohnDoe-iu5xi]

@@Volse There's only so many stories you can tell. You're telling me you aren't a character in one?

[@Volse]

@@JohnDoe-iu5xi I am character in one but I am living and not being lived by others anymore. It is complexed subject which was solved in ancient times but due to collapse of peace 4 times within last 2000 years we are forced again to rethink how to live. Pax Romana laster till Roman Empire collapse, insufficient silver in market and 4 generations of christianity killed the empire, made women a neck of men (head) and started a revoke of Goddess Kali religion among women. Pax Mongolica lasted long and prosperous, it was the safest time to live long and prevention was set by law - some of those laws are still in islamic countries but evolved or were forced with time to be "western" (example Libya). Pax Britannica brought end to official slavery and introduced new ways of efficient working in factories. Pax Americana did split world in two, pushed technology forward, peoples minds were forced to increase tacting above 50Hz - life started to "escape", became fast paced and unnatural for women. All of aspects from each peace lands today and meet together in society in form of red pill versus feminism. We are in 4th generation of rotting with money without value and Gen Z swiping tablets - next Pax will be the biggest and hopefully it will be more like Mongolica or Brittanica as personally I would like slow food, slow life, slow pace and experience it .

[@mygeefirst1349]

your videos are so mentally stimulating. you explain complex subjects that are also inherently easy to grasp, and you explain them with really simple words forming remarkably difficult phrases to follow because of the repetition of those simple words such as « this/that », « her/him » etc. i love it so much.

[@johnege7352]

Ive been around the world. I was in and out of college from 87 till 2012, five major changes, finally a masters in counseling. I work in community mental health. All that to say, this is PhD worthy presentation and better than most self help material available today. Thank you. I love the drawing and i am inspired. I have been writing daily since 2020 and have overcome my worry about my poor grammar. I did this process but still havent communicated why people should just do it as well as you did here.

[@RigoVids]

Take it from the four-time dropout who isn’t doing research

[@NJHENDO]

7 here. Before you went into explaining what a 7 is, I was struck immediately by an existing situation I’m managing as I have been preaching “time will show xxx”. This is a fantastic video, really admire how you were able to break everything down including illustrations. Kudos!

[@laronrhone2376]

This is going in my top 10 KZbin videos - because of the scribbles. 26 minutes felt like 5 with a whole lifetime worth of processing frameworks. Thanks hoe_math for your contribution to humanity ❤

[@cccantv6457]

Anime inner monologue = lvl 8

[@DarkerCry]

The scribbles sell it to me tbh

[@victoriajones1575]

your point about people who can get to an 8 don't stay there long. Literally gave me chills. I can think back to three very precise moments in the past year where I felt myself wiring my left and right brain together. Thank you so much for this video gave me something else to think about 🥰

[@mishael1339]

Thinking at level 8 only happens to me when very tired and somewhat stressed in a quite environment. And it's exhausting. You can't really exercise this high level thinking on your feet, takes to long to deeply analyse your thoughts just to answer the question "how are you". I tend to delegate some of the process as part of a conversation or with a paper if I need to deeply analyse something.

[@homosapienfactory6291]

Can't find my way out @@mishael1339

[@hoe_math]

you CAN stabilize these levels

[@nielsholmlassen8275]

​@@hoe_math by stabalise you mean that one would have control of when one accesses said level right? Because not being able to shut off the higher levels isn't good since it can get you stuck in ever increasing layers of abstraction

[@Natty183]

Hell yes. So cool to hear people talking about the phenomenological aspects of our functioning!!! This entire channel is giving me a braingasm.

[@littlebuddha.co.]

I feel like I actually recently reached the level where I'm observing my habits and sense of identity changing over time and observing how I observe and even the daily flow through the levels of consciousness. That bit at the end really resonated where you get to thinking about thinking so hard and long that you basically end up with "you gotta start somewhere so this thing might as well be good enough for now"

[@FarranLee]

I reckon this is described by the tarot card The Fool, which is numbered 0 because it's both at the top and the bottom of the archetypes

[@JacquesDerderian]

Crazy to think I watched this a few years ago and thought I was between 6-7 and now I come back after a lot of personal growth and can look back at how I’ve used levels 7 and sometimes 8 to grow and have a deeper understanding of myself and the world around me. Truly great video and great explanation

[@JoshKings-tr2vc]

That’s crazy. Level 9 is really trippy and I don’t think it could be sustained for “living” and even in the example you gave at the end of your own thoughts of your drawings (which are amazing, thank you), it seemed that the awareness was processed in gaps of time and not a state of prolonged period of time. THANK YOU for explaining this, I was literally trying to find this. Please make more and I’ll practice to get into higher levels.

[@hoe_math]

Level 9 is actually really useful for peaceful interpersonal activity. The transparency that it creates of "gaps" in the emergence of conscious apprehension of reality helps you sort of... place something in front of people that makes them react, like "what the hell did you just say? why have I never thought of it that way?" and I BELIEVE (don't quote me) that this is why they call it the "ironist." Because you are "ironically" giving people the opposite of what they need to force them to solve their own problem from the inside and make them fill in that gap.

[@mattphillips538]

But Doctor,,, I *am* Barbarosa.

[@_ruted]

​@@hoe_mathdamn, this guy ik that's like a decade older than me is like that

[@forgottenfuryan]

Death is the key to life; when one survives murder things become clear.

[@kalmmonke5037]

unban hypermiling from discor i dont know why baned , happened just now@@hoe_math

[@jakehines3112]

It's crazy to me to hear it articulated this way thank you, I've been trying to explain this exact concept using what I called epiphanies of consciousness instead of levels for years. When i was about five or six I had the realisation whist on a family road trip that every house we went by has a family who live thier lives like we did and from then on I turned into more of an observer of life but I digress. Interesting and concise thanks for your work

[@spectralelements]

Holy fuck I've literally been waiting for someone to bring this into the mainstream for a long time now, hope this continues to blow up!! It's so insane and refreshing to see this gold mine of information come into the public sphere. This is exactly what we need right now. Please continue to make videos about integral theory and spiral dynamics! Btw I took some detailed notes while I was reading the original SD book, so if you think they'd be helpful let me know and I can send them over. Also I tried joining the discord but it wouldn't let me in

[@fire17102]

This is what should be taught in schools. Just knowing about this from a young age would be huge, accelerateing everyone's thinking tiers as well as balancing them. Much love to all & Jah bless 💜

[@elotabung]

can you give me the name of the books? thanks ^

[@spectralelements]

​@@elotabung 1. "Spiral Dynamics: Mastering Values, Leadership, and Change" by Don Beck and Christopher Cowan 2. "A Brief History of Everything" by Ken Wilber

[@elotabung]

Thank you sire ^@@spectralelements

[@zoebauer1725]

i understood this whole video completely. i’ve never been able to put into words how i think but, this is a perfect representation of my day to day thinking. it definitely goes deeper than this too :)

[@Sensorium19]

I'm very pleasantly surprised by this. I think if you continue focusing on this level of quality in what you do, you will have a very bright future and great deal to give to other people.

[@Kanishk_Upadhyay_]

My man is a true philosopher, it's like having a true friend.

[@j-elev8]

What a beautiful example of a person who has mastered consciousness. I feel like I’ve recently just started hovering within all these spaces. Being a master of this feels like your in control of understanding where you would be most productive in that moment in time and understanding the range. At certain moments you must be present and reactive to embrace throwing a baseball with your son or the birth of your child but other moments you sit back and listen to your wife who had a rough day and empathize. What a beautiful masterpiece of putting life into perspective I feel like we’re not always going be at this level either. Early to mid 30’s may be a start if you ever get there then at some point as you age your consciousness is overcome by age and the strain of retaining the last bit of your youth. Not saying by any means I’ve mastered this if in my wording I may have sounded that way it wasn’t the case. I’m just explaining my feeling of what he just explained. To be able to be apart of all these different levels I can imagine it being like in an orchestra and every instrument being a different level but in order to get in all that life has to offer you must be there for the good the bad and understand why each is essential. Wow when you watch a video and feel like I never knew I needed to see this. 😅 Doesn’t happen often. Thank you

[@Daniel_Zdroba]

It's a very funny feeling to listen to a man you've never met perfectly explain your thinking patterns to you in a way that is way more organised than you ever thought they could be. It really feels like a stranger just walked up to me and already had me figured out

[@AjayVizOfficial]

The fact that the introspective human ability to think and solve problems and figure out perspectives continues this far amazes me especially in the form of a simple chart thank you for making this.

[@tasmanjoseph4760]

This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on this site. So concise, simple, and quirky yet refined.

[@SuperRandoms.]

Getting to the higher levels can feel reallyyy empty and confusing because he can kinda trap you in this hole where you don’t even know ur true feelings. After you’ve analysed ur feelings so much that it just feels weird to watch others so easily succumb to that short term relief of revenge or whatever. It can even trap you in this feeling of being above all these things that it’s stops you from wanting to enjoy basic human desires like chase women and make friends. It always seems to be interpreted as you thinking urself to be superior and you understand exactly why they think that and why you think the way you do but can never communicate that. Honestly this vid perfectly describes the way I’ve come to see myself and the world and glad I found this channel👍

[@Arcanineisthebest]

The thing is that communication is a skill, a different part of the brian than thinking, that you have to learn to develop. Empathy is also a skill. Being present is a skill. Knowledge (LEARNING not thinking) is the best way to develop your logic. Productivity is a skill. Emotional maturity is a skill. And all of this things can get you a good job and a good partner EASILY. Thinking is basically your bain making inaccurate theories and impeding you to be in the present moment, while skills ground you to real life. Tell me, do you still feel superior after reading this comment? lmao

[@LarryBarry39]

This has happened to me and you explained it perfectly. @Arcanineistthebest’s reply should get you to snap out of the strange feeling of being above everything because of, I guess apathy.

[@SuperRandoms.]

@@Arcanineisthebest I am definitely emotionally mature atleast compared to most other young guy my age I don’t get angry at people easily and I don’t feel sad for things that won’t affect my life long term but what I do need to work on empathy with others I do fully understand what they are saying and why but i can’t relate to it maybe I just think about things too logically

[@deadofwintr]

holy shit this is exactly how i feel. im sometimes terrified of letting myself sit with my thoughts because reaching the higher levels u lose ur human-ness and become something else just watching everything, it feels lonely and alienating

[@SzaboDTamas-ki4wu]

@@SuperRandoms. the thing is, you have to base your higher levels on your lower levels. You can't exist on level 5-9, you visit it. The grunt work needs to be done and that's on level 1-4, maybe 5. Above that is fun and liberating, but also soul crushing and like your feet are never on the ground. Higher levels are there to visit but not to stay for too long. If you can get there once, your being will need you to return every once in a while, but staying there can also be overindulgence, like the lower levels. But it's fun and stimulating for sure, and also can be useful if you need it. And can also be very impactful because sometimes one visit can change your behaviour on all other levels bellow.

[@freethinker3083]

This is by far one of the best videos I have ever watched on KZbin. This really helped me pinpoint exactly why are some people are not capable of having certain conversations or why I find it hard to make friends or why some people consider me to be mature. Like, sometimes you just think the way you do and aren't always aware that peoples thinking levels stop at certain levels.

[@Arcanineisthebest]

Consider this tho. Perhaps it's easier to make friends when you focus more on self- awareness (Knowing where every triger, good or bad, comes form), Knowledge, Skills, Productivity, and empathy, than thinking? It sounds like you guys are actually 10 levels inside your head when some people are out here living in the present moment. Zen masters, which btw Ken wilbur (the guy who made this graph) is a big fan of, calls it the "thinking disease". Turns out when you are skilled, productive, know how to connect with anyone, and know your own BS, you can just trust life and let go. But this thinking sht is just going to sink you deeper inside your own head.

[@trlbird73]

This is a great explanation of our behavior in the human form we are experiencing. I really like the call out of how we fluctuate between these levels on a daily basis. Through my own experiences I have spent a little time in 9, it's more of glimpses of time and a knowingness but not always readily available to me as I watch myself get caught up in the human dance we have chosen to live in. Great job simplifying ....