Hogwarts Legacy | Traits Tier List w/Exact Stats

[@PlayDohBear]

*Native curse damage increase without any traits is 5% not 10% - blahable updated the incorrect value and let me know. Sorry about that as I said 10% in the video.* Catch me live: www.twitch.tv/playdohbear Join the Discord: discord.gg/ENbKYF9M3M

[@Meyweder]

Thanks for the video. I got a rough idea of the values that I wasn't aware of. One thing to mention is about the ofense points section. You said that every offense point (untill 250) gets you .032 multiplier on damage and that 32 points equals 100% more damage(x2 the curent damage), 64 doubles it again so it's (edit:x3 initial damage). However you look at it the math seems wrong.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@Meyweder check the graph on the spreadsheet. Remember all these values were data mined. Could have some inconsistencies.

[@Meyweder]

@@PlayDohBear saw it afterwards and checked it. It's good. Sorry for that

[@Suave_Matthews]

Also it’s worth mentioning that Deafening interacts with Herbology to give the biggest possible boost to Mandrake damage. Herbology alone is around 5x damage to all plants, while 3 Herbology III and 3 Deafening III gives ~7x boost to mandrakes. This is the best late game combo for a plant build, IMO, as the mandrakes are the best wave clear, and do the least amount of damage. Cabbages already hit hard enough past level 30 with great gear, so a little more love towards mandrakes makes them absolutely busted.

[@gigantomastiaCuddler]

How do you run on your broom?

[@DextahPC]

This is the exact kind of video I was looking for. Someone to really dive into the in-game stats and run experiments on all the effects. Well done! Keep doing what you're doing.

[@PlayDohBear]

Glad it was helpful! Make sure to check out the Spells Tier list if you haven't already and Talents will be next!

[@FsJaybeingJay]

Casually running on the broom is crazy 😂😂😂😂

[@PlayDohBear]

I'll make a guide on how to do this sometime this week if ppl are interested lol. I'll make a poll later today.

[@kanomee]

@@PlayDohBear bro just do it 😂 pleaseeeee

[@PlayDohBear]

@@kanomee LOL, I still wanna do the poll just to gauge the interest. But this week for sure I promise.

[@kanomee]

@@PlayDohBear you the best 🥂

[@GeorgeSukFuk]

@@kanomee there’s other videos about it. You just have to open the console

[@Dragoonofthe28th]

That trick with using lumos to prolong the focus potion was S tier

[@PlayDohBear]

It's pretty known now I'd say. Super cheesy fun.

[@soulechelon2643]

@@PlayDohBear so THAT's what you were doing lmao I didn't even realize. I've been playing the game blind so these little tricks are new to me. Legit thought you were just showing off haha.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@soulechelon2643 LOL

[@TwelveTables]

Honestly deafening could be C tier. It is the only trait that when mixed with herbology causes its plant dmg to increase higher. With 3 herbology/3 deafening being the maximum dmg for mandrake. A 4 herb/2 deaf allows mandrake to have just enough dmg to kill any mob enemy (not troll or matriarch). And still have good cabbage dmg. Otherwise, on its own and without herbology deafening is D tier.

[@PlayDohBear]

Yeah, I did consider putting this to C tier last minute, but figured the only ppl that would go 3/3 or 4/2 are those that want to do some battle arena shenanigan's. I did tell you I was gonna D tier this beech haha.

[@soulechelon2643]

Planning to make characters in all houses, and each character will have specific specialties. For my Ravenclaw (first character), been using Ancient Magic Focus myself since I wanted her to be specialized in Ancient Magic. I do really like how I pretty much constantly have it available. Ancient Magic already one-shots nearly everything other than trolls and bosses so I haven't felt the need to use the Ancient Magic trait. That said, I believe I'm only in the midgame at the moment story-wise, so that might change. My build at current has been 3 ancient magic focus and 3 concentration, but after watching this I'll go 3 ancient magic focus and 3 ancient magic, and see how that goes. Also good to know my hippie Hufflepuff will have ALOT of fun when she begins her reign of terror lol, wow did not know Herbology was that powerful. Before the game came out I had a concept for a plant/potion only witch and was unsure if it would be viable. Glad to see that it most certainly will be.

[@PlayDohBear]

We Hufflepuffs go hard.

[@soulechelon2643]

@@PlayDohBear lol yep. My personal house is Hufflepuff but since that character was gonna be really specialized I figured I'd go Ravenclaw first.

[@thepaper888]

Just in case someone doesn't know. Save before you open a trait chest then open if not rank 3 load manual save. Repeat until you get rank 3 you like. Also it will autosave and move your manual save down on the list. Before it gets to the bottom load manual save, re-manual save then repeat. You can do this with all random chests just if its worth it to you. I only have level 3 traits from chests.

[@thepaper888]

Also if you do it during a story mission like with Sebastian it may load you before the camp area and not directly in front of the chest, however, all the enemies will still be cleared, and yet they will still yell out their lines as if they were still there. This happened to be on a mission with Sebastian there is two trait chests since you pass through two camps, for both tents I saved directly in front of the chest and it loaded me at the beginning right before you run into the first camp. Besides this time I was always alone, so it always loaded me directly in front of the chest. The only other thing that happened was alohomora to get in a building then did the reload thing, then when leaving it was locked again on the outside so I floo powder to get out. It is literally 15 seconds or less between manual load, open chest, manual load.

[@PlayDohBear]

I did cover this on my End Game Curse video. But for anyone that hasn't watched that, Paper is spot on. I also used this trick for a few Lvl 3 traits in my mid game journey :p

[@davolthe1261]

Lol i just read this somewhere and want to get unforgivable 3, i got to the camp treasure saved game and actually got it right away without restarting, lol the coincidence 😅

[@nvdawahyaify]

I've been told this, and people swear that they loot is randomized, but I have tried saving and reloading to get different traits from the chests they come from. And guess what, it's always the same traits. I have reloaded 12 times in a row on a single chest, and it was the same trait every time.

[@DemonMankeyMan]

So the big takeaway? Go for the blue Always go for the blue

[@PlayDohBear]

Yes

[@Zephyn13]

Ancient Magic Focus gets a low rank because it makes the fast meter faster, but Ancient Magic gets a high rank because it makes the absurd damage more absurd? Something ain't right. With the base damage already one-shotting 90% of enemies, I'd much rather be able to use it more often than increase it to one-shot 98% of enemies.

[@PlayDohBear]

I tested the practicality of the fill rate in multiple scenarios and it didn't feel amazing. We also have plenty of other ways to fill up the meter relatively fast. I needed to invest at least 4x Rank 3 focus traits to see a negligible difference. There are better traits to focus on in my opinion. To each's own for this kind of a Tier List. Appreciate your thoughts. If Ancient Magic had a more consistent AOE value then I would have def ranked focus higher, but like you said, we do so much damage our skills are more than enough for 90% of enemies and ancient magic is used on things like Dugbogs and Trolls. All we need at a higher level is 3 Ancient Magic damage traits to 1 shot any enemy type. The rest of the 3x trait slots can really be anything you'd like. Nothing wrong with using focus if you'd like. Just not my cup of tea. Perhaps I was a bit harsh placing it in D and could have bumped it up to C.

[@kx7670]

On Hard difficulty at least - base damage of Ancient Magic isn't necessarily enough to oneshot trolls. And I don't feel like Ancient Magic Focus buffs your meter-gain enough to compensate.

[@Zephyn13]

@@kx7670 I play on hard. Trolls are one of the very few enemies I don't one-shot with AM. For them I use it twice. AMF in every slot lets me use it near constantly without feeling I need to save it for a bigger threat.

[@icedetail]

@@Zephyn13 I agree, AMF is much better than it's being given credit for, full build (6) on AMF is really great, being able to use it damn near constantly.

[@kx7670]

@@Zephyn13 In retrospect, I don't necessarily consider Ancient Magic trait S-tier worthy either. IMO there's nothing better than 6x Unforgivable III due to how easy it is to apply curses - even without Crucio and Imperio.

[@bouffe5456]

That transition at 4:40 is crisp

[@PlayDohBear]

Ty sir.

[@loganlabbe9767]

If you max herbology and get the relevant talent venemous tentacula basically casts avada kedavra and can handle a bandit camo by itself

[@mossicely]

This is exactly the kind of content I've been looking for, appreciate you for covering this. Lots of good information here that confirms a lot of the testing I've already done. I've been really anal about testing numbers with the talents as well since you cant respec. Some of them I really wish did more damage or were more practical, like the extra Confringo projectiles or the Descendo shockwave. From my testing it seems like RoR is by far the best tree by the numbers, even if some of it is bugged. (This might be deserved for early game players since you have to keep stocked on consumables). Curses are really good too with Unforgivable and the Avada Kedavra point, but the latter feels like cheating so I'm not a fan. If they were to balance the game, these spell/enemy specific traits need to be significantly better than their generic counterparts. It is strange to have Concentration and Herbology so strong with their alternatives so weak.

[@PlayDohBear]

Thanks moss! Are you on pc or console? PC has a huge mod community and someone released a talent reset potion mod. Works great and can test a lot of things.

[@mossicely]

@@PlayDohBear This game I purchased on console unfortunately, usually more enjoyable for me to be on the couch whenever controllers work well. But yeah might have to get it again on pc for a second play through if the mods really take off.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@mossicely if you grabbed it on PS5 you have that awesome store quest. Sad we'll have to wait a year on PC/box.

[@christianastorga4555]

My build is 4 Concentration 3's, one Ancient Magic 3 and one Unforgivable 3. For me this is the perfect setup to feel powerful. It's also worth noting that builds like these for example are as effective depending how high your offensive power is. If you use my kind of build but your offensive power is only at like 200 or 300 something, it won't be super effective. Much more effective than when you first started the game though but once you get your offensive power to 400 and above(450 is the maximum)you really start seeing the difference in the power of your build and spells.

[@danielbeattie9509]

Really looking forward to your Talents Tier List. Your vids have been the most helpful for working on my build as you actually do the theory crafting!

[@PlayDohBear]

Glad to hear!

[@s2wuolf508]

Ancient magic build is just so fun, you just need 2-3 ancient magic dmg to 1shot or get close to 1shotting trolls. The rest can be ancient magic restoration, wish it was 30% restoration or even 40% per trait but eh

[@PlayDohBear]

Yep, at least at lvl 36 I only need 3 Ancient Magic III to 1 shot the lvl 35 trolls. I used that Trait combo for my world record speedrun for one of the arenas here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoSqdXedoLuYhLc - if you want to check it out :3

[@s2wuolf508]

@@PlayDohBear sure I’ll check it out later. But yeah ur so overpowered u just spam ancient magic for fun so u go ancient magic focus

[@PlayDohBear]

@@s2wuolf508 Let me know what you think!

[@6thgenbang]

I have 6 unforgivable 3s.. I cast imperio then walk behind a troll and press x and all of the health depletes

[@loki76]

I haven't gone too far in the game yet. I think I will focus on the Ancient magic traits to max them out. I feel the ancient magic is our unique ability and our "ultimate", well besides Avarda. Other than that it would be the herbology chomping cabbage since they are like insane grenades that keep on doing damage. But I rather go ancient magic route and just have the cabbages as extra utility damage as 'grenades' so to speak.

[@trevorjtorres]

Potions r way better than plants

[@Screm]

I really liked maxing out unforgivable, unlocking all the dark arts tree you have a ton of spells that can curse enemies around you, combined with (i forget the name, but the mind control ability) they can spread the curse as well, so even without avada you will be doing a ton of dmg to everyone around you, but if you DO have avada, you can literally one shot everyone all at once in seconds since there's a dark arts ability to kill everyone that is cursed Not to mention the fact that mind controlled enemies take aggro once they turn on their own, so you have time to setup curse marks

[@latinofpr86]

Outstanding!! A tier list based on in-game stats, experiments on all the effects not based on just opinion alone. Earned a sub. Looking forward to more videos from you.

[@birdmanrising]

I accidentally cast revelio and can’t watch the video - I’m just seeing a bunch of random code. 8/10 would recommend 👍

[@PlayDohBear]

Lmao. My man!

[@chipthebard]

This video answered everything I wanted to know about min/max, thank you

[@PlayDohBear]

Sure thing. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@NickMaovich]

Broom flight animation got me lmao Dude, nice HL content, I like it!

[@PlayDohBear]

Thanks Nick. Tutorial on how to Broom Surf is on my Channel too :p

[@Azyjazy231]

This video is perfect timing for me. Im at level 18 when I got the traits unlocked. Now I’ll know what to do when Im at level 22 to get those S and A rank traits first.

[@PlayDohBear]

GL and save scum away!

[@Muphet]

i still choose ancient magic over any other trait. visuals are just too good and u one shot everything very often

[@mdalion]

Also, how often can you use ancient magic, versus how often do you hit a cursed target. The value of ancient magic trait doesn't even come close to unforgivable (assuming you use Dark Arts at all). If you don't use Dark Arts, you likely use plants, in which case Herbology is god-tier. There's no reason to increase Ancient Magic damage further when it's already a one-hit KO.

[@brian-us6vw]

I found I killed most enemies faster than I cursed them. I still use unforgivable talent buff and 1 hit trolls now but before any build I had to get curse talents and buffs ... then I turn a cursed target into a explosive barrel and that can kill all cursed enemies at once. since it counts as a infinite damage or instant death to the cursed targets. Either way the dark arts just melts enemies especially when you have the unforgivable talent. Highly recommend focus potion Talent point too. It's very useful in boss fight and it turns you into a non stop machine gun of spells.

[@itlog3722]

I use ancient magic fill trait. I just like that i keep casting it.

[@KaijaKFanpages]

Anti-Venom III might be weak, but it seems that it is essential in some missions. I remember I went into Rest of Jackdaw and I had to do a grandma thing. Get hit by remote poison throwers and go to play Bingo for 2-3 hours to recover. The spiders kill you with poison. It is oozing from the tunnel ceilings in the Plight of a house-elf. It is either Anti-Venom III or then you do not make it thru... a marathon of sorts.

[@19SSL94]

@9:52 he turned his pheonix into a pumkin... "... so offense is... what...." had a brainfart

[@thiopental_iv]

Best Channel Ive found about HPHL. By far. Very precise informations. Awesome. Subbed for more 🔥

[@PlayDohBear]

Glad you liked it :3 Thanks!

[@billygilbert7911]

That spreadsheet is sick dude! Thank you

[@PlayDohBear]

No problem 👍

[@varsavarti2407]

Thanks for your time and effort can’t wait to see more!

[@PlayDohBear]

Sure thing Var! Thank you for giving it a watch.

[@Bombur888]

The only issue with this tier list is the ancient magic throw trait, but it is a big issue. Ancient magic throw really does NOT inflict that much damage, unless you're throwing an explosive barrel, but that's a special case; it's main use is disrupting the ennemies' attacks and shields. But, depending on the combat area, you can spam it massive time, and the damage increase is not too bad number-wise, so it's a solid B tier.

[@PlayDohBear]

So with our player scaling, ancient magic throw does great damage without needing it's lack luster trait. It has one of the highest base damages in the game with 40. When we're above lvl 30 with upgrades gear, it hits really hard and is spammable with no cool down, as long as you have an object to throw. Yep, it's great at braking shields and the invincibility . Again we're ranking the traits and not the ability. It's trait really is pointless to put on a build. If you have some time, feel free to check out my combat arena speed run. I use it there a lot with only its base damage and our player scaling (but most of the time I am hitting enemies with an explosive barrel, except for the goblin on wave 3. he got 1 shot). kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoSqdXedoLuYhLc

[@Bombur888]

@@PlayDohBear But it is still in the normal spell damage range, not comparable to ancient magic proper or avada kedavra. That does not register as a superior damage ability in my book. Its no cooldown spammability, though, means that boosting its damages is a lot more profitable than boosting the damage of other individual combat spells. I also think you misunderstood the reason I spoke about its disrupting effect: I was not saying that because I thought it meant the trait deserves a higher spot, I was saying that because if left unupgraded, its main advantage to standard damage spells, aside from the spammability, is its ability to disrupt all types of shields and attacks. As in: sure, it's great at disrupting but it's not that much better than the other spells damage-wise. But upgrading it can really make the difference and turning it into something of another class, especially against solid ennemies like Trolls. Sure, it still does not hold compared to the traits you classed in A and S tier, but, as I said, solid B tier.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@Bombur888 I did extensive a good amount of testing with this trait. 6x Control 3's on hard, could not even 1 shot a lvl 30 Troll with an explosive barrel (my gear is fully upgraded and I am lvl 36). If it did that, I would have classed it slightly higher to C. Again, just my opinion though. I wish this game did NOT have stackable traits. Then I would consider adding this to my build if necessary. But yeah, being able to stack 6x of something was a really odd choice.

[@Bombur888]

@@PlayDohBear Well, when I say "in another class", I'm not talking about one shoting, just about something clearly superior than base spell. At least put it in C tier (would still put in in B personnally), because it clearly does not belong with the individual coffringo, diffindo, etc. ameliorations.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@Bombur888 If we are talking about the spell sure, it's up there in the A-S tier class. I still disagree in regards to the value you get out its trait though. I can see it being in C. I honestly was a bit harsh on some traits. C or D, still not something I would run personally.

[@theStr4yD0g]

It makes sense that defense is weaker because Endurus potion exists

[@PlayDohBear]

That potion + talent is busted. Even if it did not exist, the defense talents would still be F tier imo.

[@theStr4yD0g]

@@PlayDohBear oh it's incredibly busted. I stopped using it all the time because it makes everything too easy.

[@cheesedust-n3w]

There should be a cheese tier. I have a level 22 stealth / plant / dark wizard and I just got herbology 3. Entire camps on hard get wiped out with a single cabbage. I thought I was in story mode when I first tried. As soon as you get loom this game becomes trivial.

[@IAMLEGEND091]

i'm so early that the video is still processing

[@PlayDohBear]

360p gang!

[@o_KingOfKings_o]

I hope this game get better end game, is just to easy and I’m playing on hard difficulty

[@PlayDohBear]

Perhaps in the future :3

[@mariosblago94]

it only gets easier and easier as you progress.

[@scaramouche7759]

Ambush is really good, deserves S tier imo, it buffs as much as unforgivable except no need to waste time spreading curse, just be stealthed and one shot most enemies on hard with a satisfying silenced expelliarmus. It goes without saying that every other red spell is also a one shot nuke. For trolls and dubongs, just use ancient magic or petrificus. At max stat and maxima potion, maybe thats not even necessary.

[@PlayDohBear]

I see a lot of ppl saying it's a waste of time spreading curses when it takes little to no time to spread curses to the masses instantly. You are correct as it is just as powerful when stealthed as unforgivable. But, again you have to be stealthed by disillusionment, which is its biggest drawback. If it worked with invisibility potions, I would have def ranked it at least an A tier.

[@deimos9754]

I very strongly disagree on putting "Control" trait into D. It's multiplicative 30%, which means x5 bonus for x6 items. Which makes "regular" throws to hit exactly as hard as unmodded Ancient Magic. But there are also explosive barrels, which hit for much more than normal throw. And you can even make new barrels with Transformation. But what's even more important: AM isn't affected by monster vulnerabilities, or Frozen status. While AM Throw is. Hitting a stunned+frozen troll with explosive barrel is insta-oneshot if you invested in AM-Throw gear.

[@PlayDohBear]

Fair points. But I do want to point out AM doesn't need a vuln (stunned)/frozen state on enemies to 1 shot up to lvl 37 trolls (highest I've seen) or Graphorns. Just invest 3x AM traits and they die in 1 hit (possibly even less when I'm lvl 40 with maxed offense stats). If you also go 6x Unforgiv, you basically can do the same thing with AM throw if you apply a curse. Curse/Glacius/AM Throw an Exploding Barrel and lvl 35 Trolls die in 1 shot. Sure adding a curse is 1 extra layer, but overall the build is more versatile and has the other benefits of the curse synergies (just using curse as an example). From my playstyle at least, I found that all I need AM throw to do is 1 shot mobs, which it does with no investment and can even 1 shot certain elites with the exploding barrels. It's other main use to me is for its invincibility i-frame. Just remember, you're going to have instances where you fight a troll for example and you have nothing to use AM throw on to take advantage of the Trait. The game does a great job however, placing throwable objects in most places. Our other spells can supplement us quite well with just base AM throw to where I don't ever see a need to invest 5-6x Control traits. Of course, that's just my playstyle. Everyone is going to play the game differently and place certain things higher. You can see an example of my playstyle here if interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoSqdXedoLuYhLc - AM throw comes in clutch to take out the mobs/it's i-frames and AM 1 shotting trolls with no setup needed.

[@thecriptkeeper]

Thank you so much for this video! Finally I can start farming for materials to upgrade my gear so this tier list helps me a lot 😁

[@Raoul9753]

Honestly, this game is easy enough that you dont need to minmax, just pick what you like. I build my whole equipment around magic throw because it was cool, and I never had any problems at any point in the game.

[@JB-xl2jc]

Very true. Doing max upgrades on my gear and going for Concentration 3 x 6 made the game TRIVIALLY easy even on hard. And that's far from min maxed. Still, can be fun to optimize.

[@kooler1994]

@@JB-xl2jc true, this game need one more difficulty level

[@narutoline]

lol im glad the eso mount animation bug made it to hogwarts

[@PlayDohBear]

- Tutorial on my channel if you're keen on how to do it.

[@JolyJambo]

concentration is the only trait that i Consider it S+. it's really a OP trait

[@PlayDohBear]

Numbers wise it's just okay. 9% at level 3 is not that great. But yes, for the ease of slapping it on and forgetting about it, it's high up there. But this tier list accounts for its lower percent increase in damage as well.

[@checkyoursixgaming]

Ancient magic trait I would not put S tier. It isn't available all the time, and 6 is really overkill on anything but the big bosses. Beyond bosses, ancient magic one shot everything except trolls and big pensive knights without traits equipped. The big pensive knights you won't be able to get this trait for since they are in the beginning of the game only. So 6 traits of it allow you to 1 shot trolls basically. Easier to use Avada Kedavra instead to do the same thing. I really would put it D tier personally. Binding I would put as C and not D. Animagus, executioners, dunbogs, and similar health enemies will not be 1 shot by pertrificus without the binding or ambush trait. This means the target lives and alerts nearby enemies and breaks your stealth. So while ambush is better, binding can be used for petrificus at least. Your herbology traits are just badly slotted. The mandrake and cabbage are both OP abilities and the venomous is just ok. Venomous would be better if it shot more often and wasn't blocked by line of sight or did aoe. Since plants can be spammed, their damage is insane, and two of them are basically AoE, those traits are certainly more than D ranks. Deafening and Fangs I would put at solid B with Venomous is a D plus. But Herbology is better to be true. If Deafening and Fangs are put in D tier because of comparison to Herbology, then ok. But if being objective and thinking of each trait in and of itself in a vacuum then those two should be ranked higher

[@PlayDohBear]

1. You can 100% 1 shot any enemy with 6x ambush in stealth with PT, even trolls. I didn't test the optimal trait amount but at lvl 36, no enemy survived stealth into PT except for Graphorns which just know you're there LMAO. That's why binding gets a D. If you're talking about out of stealth PT then I explain why that's not really a big deal imo. You only need 3x ancient magic at least at lvl 36 to kill all enemy types in 1 hit (generally speaking). It's S Tier material for the raw damage the trait provides (second highest to the bugged herb) from my viewpoint.

[@checkyoursixgaming]

@@PlayDohBear I didn't say you could one shot trolls with the ambush trait. I said with no traits you can't. Ambush is better than Binding, but I tend to base ranking on each objectively in a vacuum without comparisons to others. Just because ambush is better doesn't mean binding is D tier. As I said, ancient magic trait is good, but the actual skill isn't as useful. Since ancient magic requires a build up, is single target, and without traits 1 shots almost everything, then making it stronger is just not really needed. Making a skill that already 1 shots most things do more damage is a waste of a trait slot. But I do agree that there are really only 4 good traits in the game when looking at everything and the rest are just not needed. Ambush, Concentration, Herbology, and Unforgivable. Ancient magic is just something I consider ok.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@checkyoursixgaming my bad there at misunderstanding you. I did this tier list mostly looking at the best option going downward. But yes there's really only 4 good traits in this game which is a shame. The whole problem for this stems off the fact that you can stack them, which imo was a pretty poor choice. It would be okay if ranks 1 2 and 3 could stack, but it's comically hilarious that you can stack 6x of the same rank lmao. On a side note, I just find plant builds to be cumbersome having to always go back and restock. It's not that I don't have infinite plants, it's just the inconvenience of having to go pick em up and grow them again.

[@checkyoursixgaming]

@@PlayDohBear I agree there with the game allowing 6 stacking being a dumb design. If the game allowed only one trait equipped at a time that would change things up. That and a few tweaks to the values. If stacking is still allowed, I also think the general damage traits should be multiplicative only with all specialized traits additive with higher values. Also reaching 350 or higher in offense and defense already makes your character stupid powerful with how scaling works.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@checkyoursixgaming agree to all this. But hey at the end of the day it's a fun game with surprisingly good combat. I knew making this video people would disagree with my choices and they would voice in the comments. Gives me a good opportunity to interact and learn x or y that I didn't know going into the video. That said though, I think I did a pretty decent job with the tier list. With only 4 really good traits, I feel like it really doesn't matter where you slot the rest haha.

[@BeaneChunz]

Thanks for the numbers, all they said it the description was slightly and significantly which is so ambiguous Now I know just what trait to get

[@PlayDohBear]

Sure thing Beane!

[@1999worldjacob]

I think you might be sleeping on the plant traits involving cabbages and mandrake

[@1999worldjacob]

Jk I guess herboligist being bugged is why

[@PlayDohBear]

@@1999worldjacob We shall see if the devs do anything about it in a future patch etc. I'm not a fan of nerfs in single player games, but I can acknowledge this is most likely bugged and needs a fix.

[@ASURMlN]

Someone should make a treadmill broom mod like this 😭

[@PlayDohBear]

I'll show you guys this week how to do it.

[@Kevin-zz9du]

15% damage reduction is traaaaaaaash lol Never planned to use those, but that seals the deal.

[@jorel128]

You don’t talk enough bro… keep up the fantastic work

[@PlayDohBear]

Haha, thanks Jor.

[@kooler1994]

Looked for this type of video, thanks!

[@PlayDohBear]

Sure thing! Make sure to check out the spells tier list video too!

[@LoyalVonJoni]

Awesome video bro! Nicely done!

[@PlayDohBear]

Thanks von!

[@ricomartins_]

Great content dude!!! Thanks for sharing all these precious knowledge!

[@PlayDohBear]

Sure thing Rico. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@whiterabbit4113]

I was really not expecting to see that upon opening the video xD

[@PlayDohBear]

Haha.

[@thebingthing8421]

Exactly the video I was looking for 🎉 thank you 🙏

[@PlayDohBear]

Glad it was helpful!

[@insomnomnomnia]

Did I f my game up? I ran out of chest and I haven't unlocked laceration three , it's the last collectable I need. Also I don't think anything happens once you 100% the field guide.

[@PlayDohBear]

Not sure my man. Are you sure there's not a bandit camp hiding somewhere?

[@HalfinchLonomia]

I put herbology 3 on all of my gear last week and the game became boring. It's not fun to press 1 button and kill everything. Now I just use ancient magic focus to spam finishing moves.

[@PlayDohBear]

Haha, not gonna lie, those Ancient Magic animations are 🔥

[@N0Tsoftware]

Concentration effects not all red ones, THE ALL SPELLS EVEN INCLUDING STUPIFY TALENT DAMAGE OR MAGIC THROW

[@wallay793]

control 3 is busted lol, if you stack it, you're taking out trolls with two-three throwable items, and then paired with the transfiguration spell, its one shotting most enemies, 100% s tier

[@lukeschumacher1279]

Meowing Myrtle? Kinda cursed name ngl hahaha

[@PlayDohBear]

LOL

[@daedalron]

Nah, she still has 50 years until the name would be cursed ^^ Though Myrtle was a muggle-born, so you can't roleplay as her ancestor in the game ;)

[@PlayDohBear]

@@daedalron lore master!

[@arcanuss86]

Thank You for that video!

[@shinronvaynex5900]

Yeah my guess is they forgot a point in herbology. 2.5 5 7.5% Sounds reasonable when compared to the single plant traits. I am missing variety though. Like why no Cool Down reduction? Or increase aoe or range ? Or single effect traits that are closer to talents. Non stackable.

[@PlayDohBear]

CDR is addressed w/the Focus potion and a few talents. But yeah, looks like they forgot a decimal point and should have been around 3% like Concentration. You do have increased AOE with some of the talents and honestly the range is pretty OP already for most spells. IDK why they made traits stackable 🤷‍♀️

[@bladiuss]

Thanks for the tips. Awesome content!

[@PlayDohBear]

My pleasure! Ty!

[@asrissa6917]

Like we're not gonna talk about you running on the broom first or what

[@rkramer5629]

Make sure you remove Unforgivable for the final boss fight. I couldn’t use any Unforgivable or apply any curse of any kind. Second play through I went with full Ancient magic and basically deleted him 😂

[@PlayDohBear]

Great call out. Although I did so many side quests I was extremely over leveled for this fight even with 6x unforgivables lol.

[@kx7670]

Final boss isn't immune to curses - it is only immune to Imperio / Avada Kedavra / Crucio (not sure about that one). You can still use Flipendo / Expelliarmus / Arresto Momentum / Stupefy to apply curses.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@kx7670 The more you know!

[@juanthehorse2905]

nah laceration is busted, having 6 laceration iii’s and using glacius + diffindo does crazy damage

[@PlayDohBear]

At that point just use 6x unforgivable imo. Take the time to apply 1 curse and you'll buff your damage for diffindo and every other spell at a much higher percentage.

[@chrisCharDen]

Dang bro a math class

[@PlayDohBear]

It's not that bad ;p

[@lukeschumacher1279]

Bit confused on the gear stat topic, what's the difference between the highest base stat and the Max? Does gear level play a role in this? Is there a way to get higher gear rolls? Like the manual save method before opening a legendary chest?

[@PlayDohBear]

TL;DR at lvl 40, the max gear can roll for its offensive or defensive stat is 114. If you upgrade that piece of gear at the loom, it will be upgraded to its max values. Gear with offensive as a native stat can be upgraded for a max of 36 defense and vice versa. Yes you can manual save and reload to try your luck. I don't worry about it too much and just buy upgrades when I see them at the gear shop in Hogsmeade.

[@floezingerwilli98]

If i found unforgiving 3 i can craft it as many times as i want right

[@PlayDohBear]

Yep. Traits stack. Just make sure you have enough kneazle fur. Should be easy enough.

[@iamdjkoda]

You deserve more subs

[@PlayDohBear]

Appreciate it OG.

[@Shiftry87]

Yeah they really needed to make Hard harder. Not just from increasing enemy hp and dmg but also to limit your insane hp regeneration in the game. Having 25 healing potions is imo way to high even on normal especially when u have auto heal outside of combat. On normal sure i can se having that as its the easiest difficulty, but on hard u should definatly not have auto hp regeneration outside of combat. U already have 25 potions and they drop as loot, aswell as u can heal from the ancient magic orbs that drop every 10 hit combo u get. I rly dont like this auto regeneration to the point that after every fight regardless how little hp i´m missing i always use a potion becouse i dont want the auto healing to happen. Another thing that i cant understand how it was approved is the cost of adding tier 2 and 3 traits to our gear. U only need 1 very basic material for any Tier 2 and 3 trait how was that ever approved. If u wanna upgrade a gear piece to lvl3 then u need more materials with each lvl and for the last upgrade u need materials from a Unicorn and a Phoenix. But for the traits something as basic as a cat whisker is enough. The beasts and breeding pens could have been a very good way of getting galleons but when every animal sells for 120g each thats not happening and with the price of gear, selling gear is gonna be your main way of earning cash in the game. i´m very close to the 3rd trial and i´m sitting on 30k with everything apart from broom upgrade lvl3 and a few diffrent brooms i havent bought yet. With how mutch gear u get from drops and chests they simply sell for to mutch especially Epic and Legendary gear.

[@LightWayyyy]

My cabbage build 1 bite can do 3000 damage with 6 cabbage traits and my friend do mandrake build that hit 1k+ each tick, only downside is the limited of plant supply but everything probably dies before you runout of the plants.

[@PlayDohBear]

Everyone knows how op plant builds are :p - I'd recommend testing damage numbers in the future. 6x fangs is so much weaker than 6x herb. For reference, testing done at around lvl 35, 6x fangs = 471 cabbage damage. 6x herbology does 1133 cabbage damage. Testing done on the troll in the south coast battle arena. Go with 6x herbology vs fangs. Highest mandrake damage is 3x herb 3x deafening.

[@LightWayyyy]

I think my first sentence sound a bit too aggressive and I didn't mean to be(deleted). btw thank you for the number, I will test that out.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@LightWayyyy Nah, you're fine. If you want cabbages to smack even harder, there may be a combo with X Herb and X Fangs if you want to deep dive into the additive/multi math.

[@LightWayyyy]

I tried 6 herbo, it hit 7k per bite. lol I'm fine with overall damage more than focus in 1 herb since the plants is limited.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@LightWayyyy yeah, I'm the same way when I play plants. I like all plants having higher damage than just 1 (unless you want mandrakes to 1 shot mobs, then you can go 3, 3 or 4, 2).

[@kagecorvus126]

Great tier list!

[@PlayDohBear]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Oblivion9873]

A comprehensive tier list that doesn't make use of a tier is wasting space and not differentiating enough. It would not be hard to clarify that C-tier is way worse than B-tier and put some of the better D-tiers in C. Also some of your methodology is flawed. While ancient magic damage increase is DA BIG NUMBA, it's often way past kill thresholds, particularly if you ever have more than 1 t3 equipped. Hell, for most enemies, you don't even need any upgrades and you're only gonna notice it against trolls, etc. And at that point you can just AK chain kill them if you're far enough into the game that you can stack the 3 AMD T3s you need to 1shot boss monsters. S tier is too high. It's an A or B tier. That said, some good points and it is nice seeing these numbers in a digestible format compared to reading that reddit post.

[@PlayDohBear]

Yeah I do agree I was a bit harsh on some of the traits. There are a few that should have been placed into C tier for sure. At the end of the day though, I don't think it makes too much of a difference if they are in C or D. With traits stacking in the game, it really does limit a lot of what we can do. Heck I wish there was no trait stacking and you could add multiple traits to gear, separated by tier like the game Outriders did. Side note, your league avatar reminds me of a friend of mine who's used that avatar for ages lmao. I had to do a double take.

[@Oblivion9873]

@@PlayDohBear I haven't played outriders so I don't know exactly what you mean but I can hazard a guess. I do agree on trait stacking: forcing min/maxing to be optimal is irksome. Also your friend is probably a based twisted treeline enjoyer then and they have good taste

[@PlayDohBear]

@@Oblivion9873 Ha! Just saw this and wow Twisted Treeline brings back some memories. RIP.

[@stepanovicboro]

Forget the running on the broom thing. How tf did you get to play as giant purple toad??😅😅

[@PlayDohBear]

Dodge roll bug while exiting the breeding pen. Was never consistent, just happened sometimes lmao.

[@vrndeshpande]

Hey how do Traits stack on on multiple gear items? Additive or Multiplicative?

[@PlayDohBear]

Depending on the trait (if its multi or additive), it will stack correspondingly.

[@rustypotatoes]

does the level of gear matter? i think im around lvl 32 or so, wondering when i should start investing in my gear rather than waiting for higher lvl stuff

[@PlayDohBear]

Hey Rusty, I fully agree with what innocent said. Always invest in gear and always be applying traits and upgrading.

[@rustypotatoes]

alright, thanks guys! I haven't really looked into it much been focusing on pretty much everything else.

[@mossicely]

Honestly, youll get so much resources theres no reason not to. Just keep selling gear you loot and taking care of your animals when you get back to RoR. I'm 35 and have like 16k gold with nothing to spend it on, so every level I just buy any better legendary pieces at the clothing shop.

[@suckieduckie]

@@rustypotatoes Only thing that I've found is that earlier on Graphorn's are hard to come by. All the other materials are pretty easy once you get the phoenix sidequest.

[@MakoTheFrog]

im still confused about stacking traits, is it worth having concentration 3 on all gear slots or just 1 piece of gear?

[@PlayDohBear]

Yes. Each level 3 version of the traits provides 9% damage to your red spells.

[@kooler1994]

Hey man! want to ask u a question: if I love using insendio and defindo and also using plants, can I go with 5 concentration traits and 1 herbology trait?

[@PlayDohBear]

What do you use most? If you only kind of use plants, I'd just go 6x concentration or something and just use plants as supplemental damage. Plants only do an insane amount when you go 3+ Herb + both of the talents in the RoR tree.

[@kooler1994]

@@PlayDohBear I love using red spells and little bit herbology, because so I don’t want to rely on plants,it’s too op and doing all work for you xD

[@MagusInfermore]

How do traits stack when you mix additive and multiplicative traits together, for example Herbology (Additive) + single plant traits (Multiplicative)?

[@PlayDohBear]

The Multi value will stack onto the additive value. For example, 6x herb gives mandrake 826 damage, while 3x herb and 3x deaf gives mandrake 1073 damage.

Problem with hogwarts legacy is that game isnt that hard even on hard difficulty. I was expecting something like ''legendary'' difficulty but without it min/maxing gear is pretty much time waste. I finished my first playthru in hard mode, just wearing what I found, no brewing potions expect healing potions, no usage of herbs etc. Enemy AI is pretty bad, you can just abuse most of dangerous situtations. Boss fights were kinda cool but never saw a one shot mechanic. Somehow after getting hit from a mega deadly attack hp seems to be stuck at 1. Giving you time to chug 25 health potions you did in 15 seconds. Edit: I probably think this way because previous game I finished was Elden Ring

[@PlayDohBear]

I'd recommend giving Battle Arenas a shot. While there are only 3, try to see how fast you can go without potions/plants. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoSqdXedoLuYhLc - here's one of my runs for reference.

[@egonbeepboop]

No bs, just facts, subbed

[@PlayDohBear]

Eyy, thanks may!

[@zarfies23]

Talent tier list

[@PlayDohBear]

Spells next, then talents! I do this in my spare time so won't be able to upload as fast as other content creators (IRL work schedule and all that). But usually the wait is worth it!

[@zarfies23]

@@PlayDohBear darn 😭 but I’m here for it subbing now!

[@PlayDohBear]

@@zarfies23 appreciate it my man. The next video will be a fun one. At popular requests, I'll show you guys how to broom surf like you see me doing in the intro to this video.

[@leunei]

To that person that says he talks to much MF that’s how guides r thanks for the guide

[@jonwilliams5163]

Why is he spamming lumos during combat?

[@PlayDohBear]

To keep my focus potion from running out with the talent in the RoR tree.

[@sebluthy2300]

Is ancient magic focus really that bad? 💀 I have like 4 slotted

[@PlayDohBear]

It's not that it's bad. I just think the meter gain is not worth the slots. I would have probably put this as a C tier vs. D. Tier lists are a bit personal so if it works for you, keep on using it.

[@aikidodude05]

hard disagree on just righting of the herbs, herb builds can be extremely brutal as long as you lean into that style of gameplay.

[@PlayDohBear]

Not sure what you mean aki. Herbology and plants are extremely overpowered. It's just the plant specific traits that are extremely poor in comparison to Herbology.

[@aikidodude05]

@@PlayDohBear and i have noticed that by dumping my traits into the 3 mandrake will one shot pretty much everything near me. im not joking just walking pull the mandrake and everything thats not a large enemy falls over dead. with out the trait though im having to do it a bunch of times.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@aikidodude05 A good mix is 3 herb 3 deafening or 4 herb 2 deafening for maximum mandrake damage. Unfortunately, the plant specific traits low multiplier is why they were placed in D tier. Just my opinion though.

[@aikidodude05]

@@PlayDohBear i think your ignoring the part that they are needed in herb builds. there multiplier doesn't mater they are the used traits in the current strongest build. heck even look at what you said 3 herb and three deaf or 4 and 2. at no point are you going with 6 herb and none of the other. If you need to take even one it shouldn't be a "d tier" trait.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@aikidodude05 it's a very niche scenario for taking deafening that 99% of people won't care for. Unless your speed running battle arenas, there's no reason to go 3/3 or 4/2. And my whole issue with plant builds (even though I enjoy them) is the constant back and forth restocking.

[@corbincavanaugh1556]

Why is everyone going for one shot builds the long badass hard fights are the best part of the game. also anyone know how to use the calculator on his spreadsheet?

[@PlayDohBear]

That power fantasy 😈. You'll need to make a copy of the spreadsheet to your own Google drive, then input the values where it says "Enter"

[@henryhahn77]

Anyone have a list anywhere for the exploration traits? (traits that come out of chests, not earned) I assume there needs to be 25 different traits with 3 different tiers because there are 75 slots. However, I cannot seem to find more than 18 different traits anywhere.

[@PlayDohBear]

I answered this on the other videos comment Henry :P

[@henryhahn77]

@@PlayDohBear TY! I was hoping someone might catch it. I'll respond to that one

[@Fruza21]

I think I have rank 3 increase damage to all spells on Everything 😋

[@PlayDohBear]

Concentration goes hard.

[@MarkMcDaniel]

Ummm... is that the treadmill broom? 🤔

[@PlayDohBear]

Gotta get my reps in ya feel me LOL

[@Mordecaiis]

Anyone know how to get the sick class cloak from the intro he's wearing on the broom?

[@PlayDohBear]

It's the Hufflepuff House Robe (you can only get this as a Huffle). Each house has their own. You have to complete the Dandelion Keys quest.

[@Mordecaiis]

@@PlayDohBear thx mate!!

[@PlayDohBear]

@@Mordecaiis Sure thing!

[@Mercer526]

For the unforgivable trait, if I'm not using any of the curses (green spells) but I'm using perks that apply the curse status with my other spells, is it better to use the unforgivable trait or concentration?

[@PlayDohBear]

Better to just go concentration if you're not using crucio or imperio. You still get the base 5% increase to cursed targets that is applied by default.

[@heroicxidiot]

@@PlayDohBearI thought unforgiveable was only meant for the 3 curse spells, does it actually just buff the cursed debuff damage? If so, why not do something like 3x concentration, 1 unforgivable, and 2 of the damage spell of your choosing. I picked some talents in the dark arts tree to inflict cursed on some of my spells

[@PlayDohBear]

@@heroicxidiot I mention this in the video as well. Unforgivable provides a damage boost to ALL of our damage sources (minus plants) on cursed enemies. Since we can stack traits in this game (really odd choice from the devs), each Rank 3 of the Unforgivable trait will give us an additive 30% damage increase to cursed enemies. It's better to stack x trait vs, spreading them out. That said, I have not deep dived into the most optimal trait combos to dish out the min/maxing of damage. Honestly, it doesn't really matter as our offensive scaling is so busted the more we level.

[@heroicxidiot]

@@PlayDohBear Thanks, I wanted to make sure since it's weird that unforgivable buffs cursed debuff but not the unforgivable curses directly

[@PlayDohBear]

@@heroicxidiot Since all unforgivable curses automatically applies a curse, it therefore increases its damage. Take crucio for example. It applies a curse and has tick damage, which gets increased thanks to unforgivable. It's simply doing what it states in the tooltip. Increasing damage to cursed enemies.

[@WorkJoker]

You may have said this, but can you stack the same trait?

[@PlayDohBear]

Yep!

[@MJ-oi6ul]

Is herbology nerfed?

[@Atljeepboy]

Love that bug 🐛

[@ceb-ripper6373]

Play in story mode and everything is S

[@PlayDohBear]

[@quinnbeasley94]

420>450 Change my mind.

[@PlayDohBear]

FACTS. 🔥

[@MihaiBathory]

Well done

[@PlayDohBear]

🙏

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

Wait, so you get 98.3% damage reduction at 450 defense?

[@PlayDohBear]

82.17%

[@ran97396]

Yo how are you running on your broom lol

[@PlayDohBear]

I'll make a guide on it sometime this week :3

[@ElidanVideos]

If everything is D tier - nothing is D tier. That's not how tierlists are made.

[@PlayDohBear]

There's really only 4 to 5 talents worth using in the game. Rest are all filler and pretty underwhelming. Unsurprisingly they are all bad. Everything is also not D tier. That would mean every single talent was placed into D tier 😏

[@arrrrrghimapirate]

Concentration 3 across the board makes enemy health negligible. No matter what you run

[@PlayDohBear]

This has more to do with how insanely our damage scales via our offensive stat that I go over in the Player Scaling section. For example 6x concentration 3 damage on a cursed enemy is around 900 while 6x unforgivable on a cursed enemy is around 1400.

[@NickGuelker]

Yeah I've been doing concentration 3x6 and you are basically a God against everything even with basic attack. While more dps might be possible, I don't think I really want more dps.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@NickGuelker concentration does not affect our basic attacks. It only increases the damage of our red spells.

[@NickGuelker]

@@PlayDohBear oh no, I'm guilty of the placebo effect? Thanks, I clearly misunderstood. I'll have to watch your video again and re-think my build.

[@PlayDohBear]

@@NickGuelker Ey no problem. At the end of the day, any build in this game works due to our insane scaling and enemies being just paper when we lvl up.

[@williamnicholson8133]

Herbology 3 is broken

[@PlayDohBear]

Indeed it is.