HOI4 Should you Annex or Puppet Countries? (Hearts of Iron 4 Tutorial)

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5 жыл бұрын

Today we got a Hearts of Iron 4 Tutorial Regarding when should you annex and puppet in hoi, most people blindly annex but there is a strategy about when you should annex, or puppet, in this walkthrough we go over when you should puppet or annex in hoi4 for the best results
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@thelastcasualty2696
@thelastcasualty2696 5 жыл бұрын
The axis would have won if they watched this video before their attempt at world domination.
@delta6378
@delta6378 5 жыл бұрын
Why? They "puppeted" every country they invaded. For example vichy france
@thelastcasualty2696
@thelastcasualty2696 5 жыл бұрын
Valtteri Lahti Yes, but their occupation methods were rather... ineffective.
@pvp216
@pvp216 5 жыл бұрын
@@thelastcasualty2696 xDDD
@user-ei6dz3yh1z
@user-ei6dz3yh1z 5 жыл бұрын
They didn't completely annexed much in real life Germany completely annexed Austria, Sudetenland, Alsace and Lorraine, West Prussia, Memel, Luxembourg and a piece of Belgium and Slovenia Japan completely annexed Korea and Taiwan Italy completely annexed a piece of Slovenia, Dalmatia
@pbmaic3291
@pbmaic3291 5 жыл бұрын
@@user-ei6dz3yh1z They established Reichskommissariats and Reichsproatektorates, such as Bohemen-Moravien, Belgian-Nordfrankreich, Niederland, Norwegien, Ostland, etc
@guleble6000
@guleble6000 5 жыл бұрын
I usually decide by looking at the map “Hmm will it look good if I annex them, no, no it won’t, fine then, puppet!
@Jacob-vl6ts
@Jacob-vl6ts 4 жыл бұрын
No no you got it backwards. You have to create the biggest eye sore imaginable.
@allconsumingchicken9173
@allconsumingchicken9173 4 жыл бұрын
Jacob yes
@bobtheblobdevelopmentchann9048
@bobtheblobdevelopmentchann9048 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jacob-vl6ts no i only annex because i conquer the world
@bojarckhoosemanschnarf5851
@bojarckhoosemanschnarf5851 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jacob-vl6ts I used a mod called player led peace conferences, got every country bordering Russia to attack it, gave off tiny provinces all around(never connected) to each nation that fought.
@pedrowolffenbuttel9763
@pedrowolffenbuttel9763 3 жыл бұрын
Me in a nutshell 😂👌🏻
@johnnyboy95101
@johnnyboy95101 5 жыл бұрын
I love that you used Austria as an example, a country where Germany can get cores lol.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
srry 😂
@octopusguy5648
@octopusguy5648 3 жыл бұрын
I just captured Austria 🇦🇹
@Cwrigz
@Cwrigz 2 жыл бұрын
@@octopusguy5648 ez
@paulrasmussen8953
@paulrasmussen8953 Жыл бұрын
Poland would ahve been a better idea
@minecraftian805
@minecraftian805 5 жыл бұрын
The puppet template thing is Together For Victory only
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
thx
@BaumiLPt
@BaumiLPt 5 жыл бұрын
No. I can do this too and i only have Death or Dishonor and Waking the tiger
@stanisawdyrcz4483
@stanisawdyrcz4483 5 жыл бұрын
BaumiFX its a bug then
@BaumiLPt
@BaumiLPt 5 жыл бұрын
Stanisław Dyrcz i dont think so but as long as i can use it im fine...or how should someone play Brittain without India
@relyc3650
@relyc3650 5 жыл бұрын
You are fake news
@cruzdesangre2850
@cruzdesangre2850 5 жыл бұрын
If you need manpower -> Puppet if the country that you want to puppet has a good amount of population. If you don't need manpower -> Annex it. (Sorry for the bad english)
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
you all good
@cruzdesangre2850
@cruzdesangre2850 5 жыл бұрын
@@dustinl796 Thanks!
@florbengorben7651
@florbengorben7651 5 жыл бұрын
Your English is fine! Keep practicing and you'll sound perfect in no time. Good luck!
@cruzdesangre2850
@cruzdesangre2850 5 жыл бұрын
@@florbengorben7651 Thank you so much!
@florbengorben7651
@florbengorben7651 5 жыл бұрын
@@cruzdesangre2850 where are you from and what's your mother tongue?
@jinhunterslay1638
@jinhunterslay1638 3 жыл бұрын
What if I puppet for a very simple reason: Because I’m too lazy to micro-manage the country I just conquered...
@TeRRm0s
@TeRRm0s 3 жыл бұрын
I do it all the time too lol
@poteta6872
@poteta6872 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, especially canada
@darciel466
@darciel466 5 жыл бұрын
LOL You need factory -annex You need manpower - puppet if enemy contry have bigger population.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
but isnt that more simple than other vids ;)
@gregconen
@gregconen 5 жыл бұрын
That's probably a good rule of thumb, but it's not quite as simple as that. To recruit units with your subjects' manpower, you need to create a new template for the subject (for each subject you want to recruit from). So it requires having enough army xp to create the new templates, and it only helps with new divisions not reinforcing existing divisions. And you do get some manpower from annexed territory, despite the large penalty (and there are some modifiers, like the Lord of Terror, that reduce the penalty). On the other hand, occasionally having subjects can increase the total factories available to your faction, if not you personally. Most nations get a bunch of free factories through their national focus tree (11, IRC, in the generic tree), so if they haven't taken those yet leaving a small nation as a puppet can get a bunch of free factories (with extra building slots, even).
@erina_lessthan3
@erina_lessthan3 5 жыл бұрын
To "reinforce" existing division you can change it to colonial template
@bg3622
@bg3622 5 жыл бұрын
Gregory, as far as I know if you release a puppet, they get your division templates.
@gregconen
@gregconen 5 жыл бұрын
Based on some quick testing, if you release one of the releasable nations that have cores but don't exist at game start they get your templates. But if you annex a nation and then release it, it keeps its old templates. It's true that you can convert an existing nation to a colonial template, so that's something, but you're going to lose a bunch of experience on the unit, so there's still a cost.
@panoskat6910
@panoskat6910 5 жыл бұрын
always annex, cause no dlc ;D
@kingandcountry1242
@kingandcountry1242 5 жыл бұрын
F, but same situation here.
@adalet127
@adalet127 5 жыл бұрын
saaaaame
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
well with no dlc yea TAKE IT ALL!!!!!!
@mapperpolska5107
@mapperpolska5107 5 жыл бұрын
Well just crack the dlc's lmao. I bought death or dishonor only and cracked the rest including waking the tiger
@00yiggdrasill00
@00yiggdrasill00 5 жыл бұрын
not always true. if they have a large population you can still lend lease them equipment and request the units they raise. its not as in depth as tfv but you can still pull it off.
@redacted3557
@redacted3557 5 жыл бұрын
Me: *plays japan* Me: *needs manpower* Me: eh puppets are overrated Also me: *annexes All oF china*
@SpookyMarine
@SpookyMarine 5 жыл бұрын
Dogemacht42 *WORLD TENSION 58% in 1938* Germany: Mien gott...
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Winter is coming
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Also me, goes mobile warfare for extra inf org and mp
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 4 жыл бұрын
How in the world do you need manpower as Japan? They get 3% from Navy/Army vompetition decision and another 3.5% from national focus. Thats almost 6 million Japanese men, not even mentioning you can use Manchukuo to beef you up with their 40 million population.
@user-iv5jm5fn8j
@user-iv5jm5fn8j 4 жыл бұрын
Evilsamar 2% from Army/Navy and 2,5% from focus. -3% of Total mobilization= 1,5% only
@sbam4881
@sbam4881 5 жыл бұрын
When playing Italy, I always puppet Ethiopia - since that war is already underway when you start the game, you can get a puppet within Feb'36 (no need to wait for PP or Justify timer). Before the war starts in '39, I'd have already pumped 30+ 20 width divisions out of them and used them to take out Yugoslavia and Turkey without ever needing to change Italy's conscription laws until half way into 1940. And Ethiopia only has 10 mill pop - but they will automatically keep changing laws to "scrapping the barrel" once they have enough PP if you keep recruiting colonial troops out of them. (If you want to conquer Africa, you can also start right away as troops in Somalia etc. will switch to draw supplies from the puppet's capital rather than Rome and not be cut off until you can take and open the Suez Canal for your supply ships.)
@LaGGSBD
@LaGGSBD 5 жыл бұрын
Things you missed: 1) The puppet goes down their own focus tree and get free factories/infrastructure depending on the focus tree. 2) You don't get resistance if u puppet ukraine and give ukranian cores back to ukraine while invading russia. Same for belarus and vichy france. 3) Your puppet trains its own units/gets its own exp which theyll use for templates u can copy 4) Your puppets will research and you will be able to do research sharing or licencing to get their techs. 5) Depending on the country, the puppet may have better advisors or national spirits.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
lota good points but.... 1 that only helps them 2 you wouldnt get resistance anyway if you puppet them
@coolcrazyguyer
@coolcrazyguyer 11 ай бұрын
​@@dustinl796u can request they're troops
@mering5298
@mering5298 5 жыл бұрын
I like to take the provinces with resources and puppet the rest It makes a lot of bordergore but it's fixed once they're annexed
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
meh that could work ;)
@xxCreeperPLxx
@xxCreeperPLxx 5 жыл бұрын
why puppet if you annex afterwards?
@user-jo7qw3lj3g
@user-jo7qw3lj3g 5 жыл бұрын
Puppeting will let you still have resources whilst getting the free trade bonuses. Provided you have the a couple factory's to trade
@saturn6584
@saturn6584 5 жыл бұрын
Nice pfp
@Lithiummangel
@Lithiummangel 5 жыл бұрын
@@xxCreeperPLxx if you dont need their manpower anymore you can annex them
@adalet127
@adalet127 5 жыл бұрын
2:55 Yes DLC only
@minecraftgamer4360
@minecraftgamer4360 4 жыл бұрын
What Dlc
@Munky332
@Munky332 4 жыл бұрын
@@minecraftgamer4360 Believe its "Together for Victory"
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
Yea tfv
@henrikfitch4017
@henrikfitch4017 4 жыл бұрын
@@dustinl796 So then what is your opinion if you don't have the dlc
@poggimonsipmmm4599
@poggimonsipmmm4599 5 жыл бұрын
Ive owned this game for a while and had never realy got a grip of it and it started getting boring buy your videos have helped me become so much better and Ive started to enjoy the game again! Keep up the good content! 👍
@rogerwilco2
@rogerwilco2 5 жыл бұрын
You often need a Paradox game to tick a few days before everything updates properly. Every time you mess around, you should do that.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
can you elaborate on that statement?
@gildedphoenix
@gildedphoenix 5 жыл бұрын
@@dustinl796 basically, game updates every changed data at the end of in-game day. That's why sometimes game can stutters for a second due to large sum of data being changed.
@sturmtruppler6909
@sturmtruppler6909 5 жыл бұрын
I only have death of dishonour and I can recruit divisions from my puppets.
@namedrik5876
@namedrik5876 5 жыл бұрын
It actually depends on how you play the game and how powerful that puppet is gonna be.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Good point
@idonothaveanamneok2177
@idonothaveanamneok2177 5 жыл бұрын
if I remember correctly, it's 80 resources per Civ to Integrated Puppets, 20 per Civ to normal Puppets and then 13 per Civ to Dominions and not uh 40 30 and 20
@radioactiverat8751
@radioactiverat8751 5 жыл бұрын
You just basically solved my issue with having too much land to cover with troops. Currently in my Road to 56 modded germany game, Italy formed a faction with Hungry since both are pissed at me for not sharing land, and allowing the Greeks to join my faction. I'm going to annex Hungry while puppeting Italy now that I see Puppeting a nation is worth it.
@longshot-wn4ib
@longshot-wn4ib 5 жыл бұрын
2:50 thats in the dlc
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
ah thank you
@pedrobarbosaduarte3704
@pedrobarbosaduarte3704 5 жыл бұрын
pirate the dlc
@tomgjgj
@tomgjgj 5 жыл бұрын
Here's an IRL example of how powerful a puppet can be. In 1940, the british blasted the french navy out of the water just on the offchance that it might join Vichy France, and thus the Axis.
@SB-mg1wy
@SB-mg1wy 2 жыл бұрын
I think they just wanted to recreate Trafalgar
@Jansay34
@Jansay34 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that was some useful information. I'll return the favor now: there are programs that let you edit videos and crop out the undesired bits. When should you use them? Whenever you make a mistake in a video or when a demonstration fails. Why should you use them? To make better videos. ^_^ (I know that sounded super extremely patronizing, but I was just making a suggestion in a funny way, please don't take it to heart.)
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
yea i know, i have adobe after effects but i like leaving in these things to more show im like the other people on here learning this game 1 step at a time :)
@martijnwehrens4695
@martijnwehrens4695 4 жыл бұрын
If you are able to you should never puppet the industry is more valuable. If you are starting to get short on manpower just make 1 puppet with the highest possible manpower. Don’t actually make them proper divisions just make a pure infantry divisions and add them to recruitment pool. Don’t deploy just recruit if they have a land border this is easier if not you need to do an extra step. 1. Land border? If yes go to step 3 2. Lend lease them as many convoys as possible. 3. Send them every possible piece of equipment,tanks and airplanes. 4. Build infrastructure or factories in their territories 5. Once they have 0 manpower annex them. 6. Cancel the recruiting 7. They join your glorious manpower pool 8. You now have their recourses, factories, manpower and your lend lease equipment back
@pedrobarbosaduarte3704
@pedrobarbosaduarte3704 5 жыл бұрын
"also if you guys have any rain tapping you know thunder asmr all that kind of stuff in the background"
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Please dont talk about asmr -_-
@pedrobarbosaduarte3704
@pedrobarbosaduarte3704 5 жыл бұрын
ehheheh xD i know is kind of degenerate
@maDbiL
@maDbiL 5 жыл бұрын
This is very informative. Now I can abuse my puppets with their manpower. Maybe as a topic for your next video you can do Tactical bombers. The pros and cons and on when you should use it
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
hmm, thats not a bad idea ill write it down ';)
@Choppytehbear1337
@Choppytehbear1337 5 жыл бұрын
I always create a puppet who I give all of the islands I take to. I will also just create a giant puppet for all if Africa, up to Cairo.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
that sounds fun.....
@grenigen
@grenigen 2 жыл бұрын
i like how in the tumbnail you have churchil for your german pupets lol
@LazyBrainsuh
@LazyBrainsuh 4 жыл бұрын
I just puppet every country i can because i think its cute when they create units to fight in your wars
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
lol
@DestructoMonkey
@DestructoMonkey 3 жыл бұрын
would be nice to see comments about La Resistance and how compliance and the new collaboration government factors in to when/why to puppet or collab
@hiddentreasure2161
@hiddentreasure2161 5 жыл бұрын
I personally think that if your empire is bigger than Germany and Poland, I would start puppeting because it gives you a free faction and if there is a thin part in your territory your armies in that territory won't be out of supply but annexing terriory around you wil normally give you enough resources to carry on expanding.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
pretty good point
@andrehenrique2093
@andrehenrique2093 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, thanks to share your knowledge.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
thx, glad to share :)
@forgi5646
@forgi5646 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Teached me something Again! I usually always annex which as I look now is super useless... You're a great man!
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
aww shucks 😊
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael 4 жыл бұрын
The template thing from puppets seems to work with waking the Tiger too. At least for me, I got it for some reason when I installed it. Officially it should be for together for victory only.
@applepieofdeath
@applepieofdeath 5 жыл бұрын
To add on the buffer part, puppets count as allies regardless of whether their master is in a faction or not meaning that the ai will prepare troops on the puppets border when preparing to go to war regardless if they are called in or not. This can be useful as a distraction if you don't want to call in ANY allies for whatever reason (don't want to give up land, they will call in a vulnerable front, they ARE a vulnerable front, don't want them raising autonomy, etc). Plus if you still want their military help you can still take their troops and use them even if they haven't been formerly called in. Example: As China you subjugated the warlords and choose to puppet Shanxi. Then you take your army and place them at the river starting from the shanxi's south to the coast (or directly at the border if you gave in to japan during Marco Polo Bridge Incident). When you/Japan declare war then not only do you have a smaller front to defend but the Japanese ai will waste divisions on the entire Shanxi border. Note: IIRC when I did this, Japan still eventually gained a wargoal against Shanxi but chose not to act on it and even if they did, I had my other puppet's troops ready to defend an already more prepared Shanxi. Regardless I hope this example illustrates the idea well enough.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
not if you unclick the release as puppet part and release 😁
@yochitoranaga
@yochitoranaga 5 жыл бұрын
Formable nations can also affect the choice of annexing or not... unless you can form a nation when puppets controle the territories which I don't think it works. (ex: the nordic union / empire requires the player to own all the territories of jinland, denmark, norway and sweden) Those formable antions can make a massive difference as it gives cores on those territories, gich guves you taht manpower you wouldn't normally get from annexing
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
oh yea... i forgot about that 😱
@milansvancara
@milansvancara 5 жыл бұрын
The thing about your ''bug'' was, that you didnt have equipment so the manpower was just used to train those first 3 divisions ;)
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Oh.... oops
@GarfieldRex
@GarfieldRex 5 жыл бұрын
😱 I didn't know about the free trading with puppets . Nice. Also,is there a way to direct a puppet's Navy?
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
hes right btw :)
@kingsarues1586
@kingsarues1586 5 жыл бұрын
I always puppet at least one state of a nation with a navy free warships are nice.
@nathantopham2835
@nathantopham2835 5 жыл бұрын
Ay thanks Dustin you stay safe mate
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
thx ill try
@bratvabrotherhood4285
@bratvabrotherhood4285 4 жыл бұрын
another underrated channel
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
then spread me in the hoi4 community like butter! jk, thx for liking :)
@bratvabrotherhood4285
@bratvabrotherhood4285 4 жыл бұрын
@@dustinl796 of course I will, you deserve it
@matthiasbeer13
@matthiasbeer13 3 жыл бұрын
Outside of his house is a storm He: hello and welcome to a new video
@frederikambrosius2829
@frederikambrosius2829 5 жыл бұрын
GREAT VID MATE:)
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😉
@terry58501
@terry58501 5 жыл бұрын
In Juky, 1940, Churchill ordered the Royal Navy to attack the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kébir. They did it to prevent that exact scenario. The one you described.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
i wish hoi4 had a discision related to this once france falls like 50% chance if sinking half the french navy and 50% of your navy sinking
@terry58501
@terry58501 5 жыл бұрын
Why you would choose to sink your own navy is a bit puzzling. I would like to see the AI have a choice. the French navy sinks, it joins the RN or you take it for yourself (Germany). In the real world what happened was the French fleet was effectively destroyed at Mers-el-Kébir, much of what was left was captured by the British at various ports across the Med. The left overs were controlled by the puppet French govt and then destroyed by the USN when we invaded N Africa. If the British and French commanders had been a bit less head-strong there would have been a strong chance the French Fleet would have abandoned it's own govt and joined the British. I'm just starting to play this game and every time I look at something this thing gets more complex!! I love it. Thanks for your video.
@Margam
@Margam 5 жыл бұрын
When someone says Nah, let's invade poland Poland:"gulp" Help!!!
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
nah they say run 😂
@polancanintospace593
@polancanintospace593 5 жыл бұрын
And then the winged huzzars arive
@maitelatre2742
@maitelatre2742 5 жыл бұрын
Britan and france playing chess France: did you here something? Britan: Hear what? France: nothing Britan: Ha chekmate France:DAMMIT
@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022
@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's important to mention that many provinces will be cheaper to take in the peace deal if you puppet them and give them back their lands. If you are the Soviets invading Germany, peace conference almost 100% involve France and the bordering provinces such as Piedmont will cost 1000 war score for you, which is ridiculous. The main reason you want Piedmont is not because of its factories, but because it shares a mountainous border with France, and if you puppet Italy and give Piedmont (it's Italian, but they will almodt certainly be involved, so yeah) to them, it will only cost 85 war score, which is great. And nations also seem to be reluctant to take another war participants' puppet's core, so I was able to get pretty much get all of Germany, Italy and Hungary while having 50% participation.
@jep1st
@jep1st 5 жыл бұрын
You can also annex a country through the autonomy system in which case you would get complete control over the puppet's navy. So in your last example you could lend lease a bunch of stuff to France and maybe build some infra to their remaining land and then annex them diplomatically and their navy would be completely yours.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
ill have to try this again. last time i tried it the navy just vanished after annexing a puppet
@luca_4342
@luca_4342 5 жыл бұрын
bro you live in myrtle beach too, during florence i didnt lose power once, hope you had the same luck
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Last four hurricanes we've had here I have never lost power LOL
@luca_4342
@luca_4342 5 жыл бұрын
@@dustinl796 this is the first time i didnt so, thats cool
@otacon87
@otacon87 5 жыл бұрын
totally agree, you cam always annex them quickly later giving a shitload of old equipment with land lease
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
right????
@Munky332
@Munky332 4 жыл бұрын
My question for this vid is... what happens if you puppet, create a bunch of divisions using your puppets manpower, then annex? Could be a cheese way to bank a bunch of manpower if you just have some really shitty inf-only divisions using mostly their manpower sitting in the queue, then annex them later?
@britishgamer666
@britishgamer666 4 жыл бұрын
When it comes to making a country a puppet, the size of the puppet comes into play as well. Like conquering Luxembourg as Germany. If Luxembourg go down the industry path, it’s free factories. No point making a puppet of a tiny nation. Unless you flood them with aircraft to be an air controller.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@hunt3rr_945
@hunt3rr_945 5 жыл бұрын
Dustin, u inspire me so much, u make me realize that with hard work u can achieve anything
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
aww thanks, it has been very hard work tho, ive been uploading for 6+ years and only just recently started getting exposed :)
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 4 жыл бұрын
So in MTG its best to release everyone as France (except the ones who have resources, like vietnam) and let them spawn factories, that you could never build, with their national focuses. Then use your puppets as industry multiplicator and more importantly - manpower sponge
@sargesacker2599
@sargesacker2599 5 жыл бұрын
When playing with the AI, usually with axis countries I always annex. Because if you puppet a country that country usually exist in one state because your allies take the rest of the country's states. But if you take all states and then release the nation they are going to be a more efficient puppet since they have their whole country and not just one state. Another plus is less border gore, the AI in this game can be modern art masters.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
as germany sometimes i build 40's and need more manpower, thats why i puppet sometimes
@a_human8489
@a_human8489 3 жыл бұрын
Claims don’t really do much They give a boost to just time and reduce the tension from justifying but that’s it. Its cores that give manpower and factories
@ravenknight4876
@ravenknight4876 4 жыл бұрын
I actually always puppet, unless I have cores. The additional manpower is just too good. I actually even release all my oversees territories except for northern africa when I play france.
@thejp361
@thejp361 3 жыл бұрын
I just like to puppet nations, because it looks so much better
@chalkfourtyfive
@chalkfourtyfive 5 жыл бұрын
Puppet when you hate border gore,annex when there isn't.
@pauloabreu1210
@pauloabreu1210 4 жыл бұрын
I only have the base game but i once got a bug where i was able to edit my subjects autonomy and steal their manpower. This game is so broken sometimes.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
But that's what makes it so fun at the same time lol
@burakayan3360
@burakayan3360 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about how to deal with resistance and sabotage in annexed lands?
@gaymermoment
@gaymermoment 3 жыл бұрын
Puppets are also useful if you don't want to deal with resistance
@estonianboi74
@estonianboi74 4 жыл бұрын
hi so I'm playing as Estonia and I want to take Vidzeme from Latvia so I have access to Lithuania and Poland but I leave the rest as my puppet state, the problem is that you said just to leave them alone but Vidzeme has their capital wut do i do
@seamuspink9098
@seamuspink9098 5 жыл бұрын
When I play as germany, I always puppet some of the UK, because the AI ussualy do some useful naval invassions an then you can pump a shit ton of reserve divisions and rush for some undefended victory points.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
yea that is pretty sweet
@poryg5350
@poryg5350 5 жыл бұрын
Puppets are great for front control, so I puppet everything that doesn't have enough factories and is not in central Europe (you receive worse supply in puppeted territories than in annexed territories and in Europe or against the USSR it is noticeable).
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
good idea :)
@groadmiradonitz3762
@groadmiradonitz3762 5 жыл бұрын
I dont really fond the option to puppet. Sometimes the AI just....bad at doing things and could mess up with your own plan. Just like my experience with Vichy france...The Allies always land their troops south of France, despite my order to defend it. Thanks to Italy that tend to fail defending their own soil from naval landings, I need to allocate few divisions to defend key ports. Messy place with messy supply routes. Good thing from the puppet options is the "warmonger" penalty I guess? Its not as big as annexing though.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
yea ais can be dumb sometimes but thats why you build the army for them (wink wink)
@secularsam7678
@secularsam7678 5 жыл бұрын
I go to Myrtle beach every year my grand parents live there!
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
its nice here aside from the hurricanes 😁
@GEGA_EDITZ10
@GEGA_EDITZ10 Жыл бұрын
Imagine winning war and not clicking annex all
@yannickbiermans8346
@yannickbiermans8346 3 жыл бұрын
Don't agree with a lot of it, but the last tip is gold. As Germany i pretty much always attack bot italy and France and puppet both. With gives you a huge navy. Only thing Hoi4 creators need to work on is that you can set militairy targets for puppet navy's and army's. As germany it would help a lot with getting naval supremacy to invade the UK for instance.
@kylesmith1601
@kylesmith1601 4 жыл бұрын
Another big thing is if a country has a large navy like france or uk, instead of annexing all their land, puppet at least some of it. Then, annex them through the autonomy level and you get their entire navy for free!
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
yea good point
@metehanaydemir2540
@metehanaydemir2540 5 жыл бұрын
And also making puppet is a good idea because theid troops always holding front line as reserve division and they give you their civ factories too annexing countries without core or something making land bad because when you take land factorie limits are decreasing and you cannot built factorie and also puppets have nat.foc. so they can have factories
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
yea thats a good point ;)
@Guntank
@Guntank 3 жыл бұрын
Question though (I know, old video, but...) As of La Resistance: a) are you still able to use their manpower like this if you puppet a country? b) if so, do those divisions still use _your_ equipment for initial training, or _theirs_ by default? In the rare case that, say, I'm training a Light Tank division with a copied Austrian template as shown and you actually have better/more advanced Light Tanks than Austria by one or even two steps, I probably don't want to be training them with their outdated Light Tanks and have to reupgrade them with ours all over again once they're in the field, so I just want to be sure that they'll automatically be using the best equipment available if I do this and won't be wasting time on upgrades.
@abdulazizalfayez4421
@abdulazizalfayez4421 3 жыл бұрын
I believe yes, it is still possible to use their manpower, but it is your equipment that is going to be used wether in the initial training or for resupply. You can train a bunch of division and check your logistic tap and see if it got down. Of course given you have Together for Victory DLC
@ewewew7599
@ewewew7599 5 жыл бұрын
and if you wanna start a faction, puppet is a good way to create
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
yea, thats good 2 :)
@user-jo7qw3lj3g
@user-jo7qw3lj3g 5 жыл бұрын
I like this reasoning.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
thanks :)
@nonec384
@nonec384 5 жыл бұрын
You get only half of the building slots so if the state is max out you only gain half of all the factoris
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Hmm, didnt notice that before
@erichschneider4759
@erichschneider4759 4 жыл бұрын
When you play Italy make etophia puppet he can make more then 50 divs I see in game I use 48 divs
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
yea thats a very common strat
@DeviousXP
@DeviousXP 4 жыл бұрын
Hey off topic, but im trying to utilise fort buster trait in my generals, but I am fully unable to see it, and also, im unable to assign bombers to specifically go for forts, are these two features only available with a certain dlc pack?
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
waking the tiger
@graben4056
@graben4056 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, it did not bug out as you said. The think is Austria die not bad enough Equipment for all of the 18 Division you trained. Only the first 4 had full Guns for Training and only these 4 took Manpower from Austria.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
maybe, but later it did it
@panzerkamphwaggenlll5247
@panzerkamphwaggenlll5247 3 жыл бұрын
How do you pop it to country. Is already annexed because for me it only gives me the option to release the nation not released as a puppet
@jamesmasonharwell4925
@jamesmasonharwell4925 5 жыл бұрын
Hey I'm from Dirty Myrtle as well :o
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Ohhhhh boiiii, 😂
@FatheredPuma81
@FatheredPuma81 5 жыл бұрын
Type "op" into the console and then ctrl click everything. Much easier.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
huh this was interesting to find out
@iconicDeya
@iconicDeya 5 жыл бұрын
Honest to god I just annex if it makes my borders look good and the nation isn’t on a different continent. If the nation is on a different continent I just puppet it.
@Sky4Jus
@Sky4Jus 3 жыл бұрын
and now, in 1.9 the annexation is useless. Good job Paradox.
@piztolice3459
@piztolice3459 5 жыл бұрын
0:00-2:40 Prepared to learn alot 2:49 *Hears "DLC" * Bye
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
aww 😢
@delta6378
@delta6378 5 жыл бұрын
If you need manpower, and the object nation has a large population=puppet If you need factories=annex If you want clear borders=both (this is extremely important for me)
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
😉
@ali69175
@ali69175 5 жыл бұрын
we deserve a vid and u deserve a huge sub and like! thnx alot for twhat ur doing and i hope u gonna be ok
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
thanks :)
@jordangames2560
@jordangames2560 5 жыл бұрын
Even if you don’t have dlc you can still make barrier and naval stuff
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
good points :)
@alexandrupatrascu2402
@alexandrupatrascu2402 5 жыл бұрын
Can u make a top easy countryes? It s a good subject also very interesting.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Germany and usa 😁, ill work on it tho
@mirceaserban2471
@mirceaserban2471 5 жыл бұрын
Hurricane in his house , no problem u guys deserve a video
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
But you guys do 😁
@maxkreuzer
@maxkreuzer 4 жыл бұрын
the way how you was taking the manpower is very ineficcent 1. create a new templet with just one infantrie battalion 2. train a ton of the new templet and after 20% kick them out 3. change the new templet to the original templet of the puppet
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
ooooooooo, thats evil
@tbeller80
@tbeller80 4 жыл бұрын
So the 1 BN divisions you built from your own manpower switch to being manned by the puppet? Then disband them and you keep the manpower?
@michaelhebert6891
@michaelhebert6891 5 жыл бұрын
i puppet the coast and take the mainland i dont wanna deal with no navy.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
good idea :)
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Well I think what he's talking about is sometimes if someone is playing as Germany for example having to deal with an extra hundred ships may not be the smartest idea, it's sometimes might just be better to allow in a i fight in AI to have a better chance if you are too busy dealing with other things to micro it
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Np 😁
@moritzfrank7831
@moritzfrank7831 2 жыл бұрын
Does it still make sense to puppet without the together for victory dlc? I mean it looks nicer without puppetting
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 2 жыл бұрын
probably not, helps with garrisons tho
@jassen1924
@jassen1924 3 жыл бұрын
wouldnt be nice if puppets give u supplies of their resource by 1/3 every day/week/month
@thefluffyalligator5188
@thefluffyalligator5188 5 жыл бұрын
North Carolina bois Also thanks for the tips
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Good luck dont drown 😢
@BloodRider1914
@BloodRider1914 5 жыл бұрын
Well then Paradox really needs to fix the ai cause Japan always makes that treaty
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
right?
@jordangames2560
@jordangames2560 5 жыл бұрын
Recording a video for millions in a state which is experiencing a deadly hurricane so close we could hear it
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
well ive been uploading for 6 years (7 in january) and finally a couple of months ago started growing more than i could dream, ive gone from getting 4-10 subs a month to 2-6 thousand. if you guys love my content enough that you subscribe and make my dream come true then i can put some effort forward and upload a video :)
@milo20060
@milo20060 5 жыл бұрын
It doesn't take the manpower coz they don't have equipment :)
@alexs-roberts5798
@alexs-roberts5798 5 жыл бұрын
You can have puppets as buffer states if you simply don't call them into a war.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Well you do have a good point there
@alexs-roberts5798
@alexs-roberts5798 5 жыл бұрын
@@dustinl796 although in fairness it's not perfect, if you have unpuppeted allies in a war with you I think they can call your puppets in. But I'm pretty sure puppets can't call eachother.
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Yea i i think so too
@Sky4Jus
@Sky4Jus 3 жыл бұрын
Update the video. In the la resistance update, the puppeting is 99% better unless you have collaboration government
@jatreyLondon
@jatreyLondon 5 жыл бұрын
Florence SC Here thanks for the help
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to have helped 😁
@nickots7283
@nickots7283 5 жыл бұрын
The real question is how the fuck Austria has so many troops. They must be drafting newborns
@zacharysilver3632
@zacharysilver3632 4 жыл бұрын
How about lend leasing to your puppets so they can make divisions?
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 4 жыл бұрын
Cause i kinda wana take them 😁
@olivierbos05
@olivierbos05 5 жыл бұрын
How can you release nations as puppets when you click “Release Nation”
@dustinl796
@dustinl796 5 жыл бұрын
If you have together for victory or death or dishonor DLC once you click release country there's a little button that pops up that has the option to release as puppet or uncheck it and it releases the country is its own Free Nation, remember it won't work if the country is still alive, for example if you somehow as Germany or two already own part of the country France you can't release the rest of France as a puppet
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