Hoka Bondi 8

Hoka pretty much invented the max cushion genre, and its thicc boi flagship is the Bondi. For version 8, they’re going with a new foam and a reshaped footprint. But have they changed enough to keep up with the rest of the market?
0:00 intro
0:20 Run testing
0:55 Disclosures
1:15 Specs
3:16 Long Run Testing
8:16 Overall
Disclosures: Hoka sent me two pairs of Bondi 8 for testing. However, they are not paying me to make this video or to use this shoe. No on will get a chance to preview any of my footage or my thoughts before this video goes up on KZbin
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[@yijuntey]

I’ve been following your videos for a long time now. Sometimes for the shoe reviews, but more often, i just love the quality of your videos and theres always new things i can learn (about running and shoes)

[@brucemihalick4117]

Great review, I did 12 miles in them this morning. I love the updates! Thank you for another stellar review ✨️

[@MiracleWarriors]

I have a feeling that my Adidas Solar Glide 5 might feel similar to this Bondi 8 . And I love this addicting feeling of super comfortable, stable and kind good rolling bounce. I got to try a Bondi some time soon ! Good video

[@ChrisSee]

Love seeing the Prairie Trail in your footage, I've done a lot of miles on the stretch over the Fox River in Algonquin and through the gravel pits in Lake in the Hills. Enjoy the new scenery!

[@kofuzi]

It’s a great spot for long runs

[@AdvancedLiving]

Dude, you have a picture perfect mid-foot placement. I’m a recovering heel striker so I’m fascinated with other people’s mechanics.

[@blasichaso5244]

To each their own, of course, but there’s nothing wrong with heel striking! Nothing to feel bad about

[@enigmatheangel]

He almost doesn't use his backfoot.

[@AdvancedLiving]

@@blasichaso5244 except my plantar fasciitis and occasional Achilles tendonosis. And yes, I talked to a trainer who told me to focus on my forefoot. So I am.

[@blasichaso5244]

@@AdvancedLiving I figured! There are many valid reasons to change footstrike of course. Hope it gets better.

[@falchion3568]

He doesn't do anything special, he just points his foot downwards before the foot lands. It's nothing to do with knee or leg position, overstriding etc. A lot of people overstride, but just point their feet down before they land so they aren't heel striking

[@chrismckenna2779]

Great review!

[@beegee3136]

Good morning from Hawaii! Another great video!

[@kofuzi]

you're up early!

[@VangKevinCatfish]

Just ordered mine. I CANT WAIT!!!!

[@king_has_no_clothskul8635]

cant you go to a store to pick it up? unless it is not available of course.

[@sourcejosh]

Great review. I just purchased the Bondi 8 and theyre great. I am coming back from 15 years off and 30 lbs heavier and was looking for max comfort until I I've gotten back into reasonable shape and these are well suited.

[@kofuzi]

Happy running!

[@xyzv8640]

A great review again. Conclusion..: max cushion as expected !

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

Love my Hokas very expensive shoe but better than the more expensive orthotics I have. Needed a solid shoe for walking miles each week.

[@harismuzaffar1151]

Excellent shoe

[@yurynsk3533]

Nice guy, nice review. Best regards from Siberia.

[@kofuzi]

hello

[@tothetracks]

Thanks for the review. Curious why you didn’t try the wide version rather than sizing up. I have a wide foot and I had to go extra wide and it’s working out so far for me.

[@liljemark1]

I didn't find eg. Mach 4 that warm but if you think this is warmer then that's an issue for me. Thanks for pointing out the warmth! I guess it's slightly difficult to find cheap, good and not-too-padded shoes, and I only buy shoes under 100 euros after new releases are not new anymore 🤣

[@Burps___]

Hoka shoes typically are available in Wide, and I love that for toe room 🦶

[@dostuffiguess]

Got a like just for 'thiccboi flagship'

[@Chungdol]

Since they are on sale everywhere I also picked a pair up... I find them waaaay too firm, they feel a littlebit like the gel kayano 30, who is also on the firmer end. They are cushioned yes, definitely, but on the firmer end. Thats great for walking and when you have to stand a lot. But especialyl for recovery runs or easy long runs, for my taste, waaay too firm. So I wear them for casual wear... and there they work like a charme. Nontheless a great video as always

[@JovanPuyo]

Man, I agree on the sizing up. Coming from On Cloudflyers at 10.5, I'm surprised that Hoka's 10.5 left almost no wiggle room for my toes. I had to return it and get an 11.

[@garysailors]

I wish I had got advice to size up 1/2 in the Bondi 7 as well. I took it on one run and really had a lot of toe rubbing issues as well as a blister on the bottom of my right big toe. I immediately relegated it out of running and to a daily wear shoe. Thankfully I only paid $50 for it so not a big running loss.

[@killernp1317]

I actually had to size down for the Bondi from my usual 13 to 12.5

[@tangchangrvhs]

Good choice on Hoka's part to consolidate their product line - it gets really confusing at times. I look forward to see them merging Mach and Mach Supersonic lines as well.

[@Chase3141]

I think the mach supersonic was a one-off shoe, so it’s not really it’s own product line. More like a Mach 4.5

[@tangchangrvhs]

@@Chase3141 Yeah it's an odd one out no matter how you look at it

[@2112sgb]

I finally saw some people wearing Hokas around white rock lake. They look better in person, but if I were buying a max cushion shoe, I think I would go with the Nike Invincible.

[@Stevo251]

I got the invincibles and i felt like the foam turned crap in only couple months

[@genysmenrunner1677]

Kofuzi, do you prefer the ride of the bondi 8 or nb fresh foam more v3?

[@darkhorse99900]

Finally… extra wide. Bindis have been tight in my experience. I would size up in width

[@user-alexperovich81]

Спасибо за информацию, очень интересно было послушать ваше мнение о hoka bondi 8.

[@r.cordis8251]

Hi Kofuzi, I bought the Bondi 7 and found it a little snug, narrow in the forefoot (for my wide feet at least) and found it a little clunky, kind of dead. What about the 8, the new foam, the wider toebox changed a lot or it was a small improvement? thanks

[@rob060]

I used to run half marathons in minimal shoes back before I got a job where I work on my feet and walk ~5 miles a day. Now I think I need something like this, especially if I'm trying to go for a run after working 8 hours on my feet.

[@kofuzi]

be kind to your feet

[@davidlynch9049]

Thanks. Nice review. How stable is this for a neutral shoe say compared to an Asics GlideRide 3? Thanks.

[@Zan____]

agree on the sizing...need to upsize 0.5..slighly tight

[@attic2basement]

100 percent, i went back and forth in jack rabbit with my normal size (vans) and then my running size and went with the latter

[@heythere6983]

I felt sizing was fine except for the heel being very loose

[@shawn3045]

Great review! Any chance you're running Wegman's Wineglass half marathon in upstate NY?

[@paoloruns]

Mike smoothly grabbing that shoe at 0:49 . lol I've always wanted to try a Hoka shoe but never pulled the trigger. I guess it's between the clifton, bondi, and rincon that I am deciding on.

[@chickfinnegan8969]

Rincon 3 is a great shoe. It's super light, and comfortable. I use it for hill, and track workouts.

[@paoloruns]

@@chickfinnegan8969 Yeah, I hear a lot of good things about the rincon 3.

[@chickfinnegan8969]

@@paoloruns I prefer topo, and altra for every day runs. I like a wider toe box, but the rincon 3, and the clifton 8 are great shoes for a first time Hoka runner

[@paoloruns]

@@chickfinnegan8969 I've actually never heard of topo. but I know altra makes no heel-to-toe drop shoes. But yeah, I feel cliftons would be nice. I seems to have like a strong following.

[@jwb2814]

User error moments, I felt that 😭.

[@jungtao]

“Run for the money 💰 “ yes I did see that. Lol

[@anthonytorgerson4175]

How does this compare to the New Balance Supercomp Trainer? Which do you prefer? The Supercomp tainer seems heavy. Keep up the great videos!

[@kofuzi]

I like them for different things. I wouldn’t consider the SC Trainer as a recovery run shoe. We’ve long passed the point where stack height numbers alone can tell us what a shoe is like. We should also now recognize that, especially where different foams are involved, similar stack heights do not necessarily indicate similarity in purpose of the shoe

[@shauntaylor5303]

Your reviews are awesome! What shoes would you suggest for an easy paced Comrades Marathon... Asics Gel-Nimbus 25 or the Hoka Bondi 8?

[@kofuzi]

I’ll admit that I don’t know a ton about the Comrades course. I’d probably go with the Nimbus though

[@tritondriver1]

Wearing Bondi religiously since number 3.

[@stephenvincent4989]

Every new incarnation the Bondi range appear to get softer and offer a less secure run. I found the 7 much superior to the 8 hence I purchased where I could find them more of the 7 and found 4 pairs in wide which should last me a while and look forward to see if and when the 9 is introduced how those changes are. For more room always go for the wide fit it works for me.

[@kofuzi]

Stock up while you can

[@RichardWait]

Why are Hoka messing with the sizing. This and also the Mafate needing to size up? I loved the fact I could order any Hoka and know it would fit perfect…

[@jvmoony]

I've been watching most of your videos of shoes reviewing as my preference. Those shoes you mentions, mostly exactly as you said. But How to spot the dupe and real Hoka One One Bondi 8 shoes? I got one on exactly size 9.5 (my feets are 27.2 cm), but not as cushioned as explained, also narrow mid-feet. It's geometry are very rockered. But it makes me wonder, does my Bondi 8 were dupe? Cz it's not as cushioned as you said.

[@enkidu2562]

Considering every other brand is stepping up their foams and max cushion offerings, the Bondi just can't compete any more. Does not feel particularly cushioned, but is still heavy and bulky.

[@kofuzi]

can we confirm that you are talking about the 8 (or at least the X)? just want to make sure we're talking about the same things

[@enkidu2562]

@@kofuzi yes, refering to the Bondi 8.

[@bullwingsc6216]

Love the Bondi 7. The Bondi 8 is much worse. Bondi 8's foam is harder, uncomfortable and clunky. The upper is even more narrow than the 7 not to mention the shoe just looks ugly. Had to order another 7 just to stock up.

[@lukevirtualgameruk3523]

Always been a nike fan tried pretty much all brands I'm shocked with hoka improvements throught I'll never say that as they use to have crap trainers. Will be getting bondi 8.

[@kofuzi]

hope you enjoy them!

[@lukevirtualgameruk3523]

@@kofuzi Thanks mate.

[@heythere6983]

I just tried on these shoes. They don’t really feel soft like my foot is standing mush. Kinda stiff but not in a bad way. I think some people want to feel like they are sinking into the shoe. I just really enjoy a 4mm drop too, it felt ok, nothing terrible or impressive but actually moved well for walking . I don’t get why a lot of running shoes look so weird.

[@macau.friend]

I signed up for the Bondi 8 test run with Hoka several weeks ago, and I didn’t like the shoe for couple reasons. First, it definitely felt too small for my normal size 9. Second, I ended up injuring my lower leg muscle for some reason. The shoe felt too clunky and not squishy enough for my liking. Then I started wondering if this could be one of the reviews that I have to read between the lines.

[@nevergiveup7502]

How and where do I sign up for a test run with Hola?

[@macau.friend]

@@nevergiveup7502 I actually test run the shoe thru a local Hoka store in China. They organize test run events for new shoes regularly.

[@SimonMathews]

As a heavier, slower runner, trying to come back from injury, I was recommended the Bondi by a podiatrist. Unfortunately I've not had a good time with them to date. I find that although they have plenty of squish, I don't get any spring in return, and just get bogged down in the cushion, having to work harder to push off with each step. There also seems to be a hard piece under each arch, which I find can dig in a little bit. They are bearable on a treadmill, but on hard surfaces like concrete or tiles, I'm going to have to try something else, as they just make every run an unpleasant slog. It's my first time trying Hoka, and it leaves me wondering if other models have the similar issues for heavier folk like me?

[@jname9368]

Been a couple months so maybe you've had other suggestions by now, but Saucony Triumph 20 sounds like it'd be perfect for you. Lots of cushioning, but the cushioning is also quite responsive and surprisingly springy. First "Max cushion" shoe that I feel provides the cushioning without that sinking feeling that just makes running feel sluggish

[@SimonMathews]

@jname9368 thanks for the suggestion, but I've picked up some Asics Novablast 3 since then, and they seem to be going ok for now. :)

[@malayneum]

@@SimonMathews have u tried nimbus 25?

[@SimonMathews]

@@malayneum in store only, and the 25 seemed a little unstable for my needs. The 23 and 24 versions bottomed out when I tried those.

[@dheath3697]

Just reference here regarding some of comments about going up a size because of Hoka's narrow fit, Hoka's also come in Regular (D), Wide (EE), X-Wide (EEEE) So you can't go wrong finding the right size, I'm sure some with very narrow feet appreciate the snug fitting regular, I always get the 2E size, this is from a casual perspective, not a runner, loved seeing my new Bondi 8's being modelled in this video 🙂

[@scottfarrell7231]

I've run in Bondi Wides for several years without a problem. I found the The 8 Wides to be narrower than the 7Ws, and the 8 X-Wide just wasn't a good fit. So after years of being absolutely loyal to Bondi, I'm now running in the NB FreshFoam 1080 v14 which is a great shoe!

[@tekkamanviper2783]

just ordered the Bondi 8. i was looking for maximum comfort on my feet, im on my feet 8hrs+ 5 days or more a week. hopefully they will deliver on how well they feel. unless you can recommend me a shoe that also has maximum comfort

[@kofuzi]

Hope you enjoy

[@rembo183]

What’s your opinion of Brooks shoes for walking and training? Slow guy!

[@homeboi4159]

Should I get the WIDE version or should I go half a size up like you said?

[@kofuzi]

I don’t know your feet or if you typically buy wide shoes. If you normally get wide, I’d go wide

[@eriktred]

Lost my original comment with second upload and I forgot what I wrote 😂. Loved my bondi 7 but for walking/recovery.

[@kofuzi]

Sorry about that

[@eriktred]

@@kofuzi hey, sorry I didn't mean to sound whiny! You're doing the work, I'm just the random guy on the internet. Thanks for everything you do.

[@lurwas]

The previous versions foam was hard as the weather got colder, is that fixed?

[@kofuzi]

Without conceding your premise, I will refrain from commenting about cold weather performance of this new foam until I can actually test it in cold conditions

[@fynthemtns]

Sheesh the early versions were UGLY. Thanks for the vid! An enticing shoe

[@kofuzi]

Hoka has come a long way

[@kierlak]

vs Nike Invincible 2 ???

[@sammatsusaka823]

HALF SIZE UP in my NovaBlast has more bounce, but of course more weight. Don't know how it compares to the BONDI 8.

[@m.1161]

Ba dum tss! @9:04

[@ricodelavega4511]

i'm a dirty dog, so i love more cushion for the pushin, max for me indeed.

[@belltheTACO]

Hey @kofuzi how do you breathe while youre running? Through your nose or mouth? thank you!

[@kofuzi]

ad libitum

[@belltheTACO]

@@kofuzi So sorry but i dont know what that means lol

[@naomidoudera359]

what about Bondi 8 womens sneaker??? I have plantar fascitis/heel spur please respond? Now I'm getting nervouse should I've ordered 8.5

[@kofuzi]

I'm not sure I understand the question or know how to answer it

[@corallino72]

so the Bondis can also be suitable for those who are not heavy?

[@kofuzi]

Yes

[@WilsonXc12]

I just got the bondi 8's and i've gotten maybe like 5-6 miles on them and am i the only one who finds them really firm?

[@Funventure825]

I agree. Bondi 8 is firmer and narrower. My left pinky toe is slightly rubbing and caused a small blister. I have 3 pairs of Bondi 7 and have never had a blister. Bondi 7 is definitely more comfortable.

[@thecloudedbarber]

I'm a barber, 8-9 hours circling a barber chair. Any suggestions for long standing shoes?

[@kofuzi]

I’d look at the Nimbus 25. But what are your colleagues wearing?

[@alfrede.newman1838]

I'm a zero drop fan so Altra Torin 6 for my max-cushion shoe. Hopefully someday we could see a side by side on max-cuhion shoes like Hoka / Altra / ... Thanks

[@Dan_South]

Altra is making a "road olympus" in the future. I believe the name is going to be the Via or Olympus Via. 33mm neutral road shoe

[@alfrede.newman1838]

@@Dan_South thanks for the tip. Just saw a clip on the 'Via' (as the final market name could change) and it does seem to look like a 'beefy Hoka' from a side profile IMHO. Right now I use a new Altra Rivera in my show rotation BUT 1. it took a little time for me to get used to the new Altra 'slim fit' upper on the Rivera which now feels good, and 2. I still struggle a bit with locking in on the Rivera's heel (and it didn't help that Altra shipped the Rivera with laces that were too short). ... Will have to keep an eye out for the Via, thanks again.

[@Dan_South]

@@alfrede.newman1838 I haven't tried v2 but I had 2 pairs of the Rivera 1. Even did a 52.5 mile run in my first pair. I never had heel lock issues but I always used the runners knot on them anyway. I would try version 2 but I honestly don't really need them. I would probably try the Escalante 3s over them but I love my Escalante racers so I don't really need to try them either lol

[@LuisBecerra79]

Bondi8 vs NB fresh foam more???

[@kofuzi]

release date is Sept 1 or so, I believe for the More

[@havefaithingod1908]

I’m 300 pounds I have knee problems which would you recommend hoka Bondi 8 or BROOKS HYPERION ELITE 2? For support

[@kofuzi]

for the purpose of this answer, I will assume you are asking about normal easy running (versus walking or gym or cross training). I would recommend the Bondi 8. The Hyperion Elite 2 is a race shoe, and while it is relatively stable (compared to other race shoes), it's not so comfortable for your every day run, imo

[@havefaithingod1908]

@@kofuzi ok thank u so much for ur reply and how does it compare to HOKA Gaviota 4 vs Bondi 8

[@harismuzaffar1151]

Same problem. Bondi 8 has helped me greatly. No more pains and aches. I’m 120 kg. Don’t even feel I’ve walked.

[@sotimak6554]

Isn’t the glideride 3 the king of max cushion this year?

[@kofuzi]

once I get to test them all, the battle for the crown will be an interesting one. it's a three-way battle at this point

[@Foyzur32]

Hi how do you compare the Bondi 8 to the Novablast 3?

[@kofuzi]

one is a max cushion shoe. one is a daily trainer.

[@dillaey1088]

hi how do u compare the bondi 8 to the clifton 8? thank uu

[@kofuzi]

One is a max cushion shoe, one is a daily trainer

[@danrussell3509]

Did you get to keep the shoes or did you send them back ?

[@kofuzi]

Believe it or not, no one has take me up on the offer to return my shoes after I’m done with my testing (typically 100 miles of running)

[@danrussell3509]

@@kofuzi I believe you except you did not answer my question .

[@tylerbrown6859]

Is the shoes good for a good 14:30 1.5 mile run?

[@kofuzi]

I generally don't recommend shoes by pace but by effort and distance if you're looking for a shoe to take for a routine 1.5 mile run, this is a great option. if you're looking for a 1.5 mile race shoe, I might go with something a bit more aggressive

[@meezoo2]

I am new user for Hoka lines products, I am not sporty or runner, I just need a light soft super cushion for lifestyle or casual daily use, I want to feel like I am walking on clouds, I need something as Adidas Ultraboost, so what do you suggest for me?

[@kofuzi]

Ultraboost?

[@kofuzi]

What I mean is, if you like UB, get UB. There really isn’t a Hoka that is boost-like. But if you want a good casual Hoka, try Clifton 8 or Mach 5. Just keep in mind that Hoka is it’s own thing.

[@meezoo2]

@@kofuzi thank you for your quick reply & clarification, the issue that we don't have them in here so I will buy them online as I just did with UB that's why I asked for suggestion and I like your review about Bondi 8 in this video. as per your advice I will take a look at Clifton 8 & March 5 and see more videos about them also New Balance Fresh Foam X More v4. I just noticed that you have A comparson video between Clifton 8 & March 4 one year ago, appreciate your answer.

[@TinfoilHatGirl]

@@meezoo2 I currently ordered the new balance fresh foam more v3 and v4. V3 is very comfy but in comparison the v4 adds another whole level of cushiony cloud-walking goodness. I am looking at this video to decide whether I should order the bondi 8 because many people swear that the bondi 8 is currently the best max cushion shoe just to make sure which one I like better, hoka or new balance. But I tried the clifton in the store and it felt totally stiff and not comfy at all when I came there with only the new balance fresh foam 1080 v12 feeling in my head that I tried another day in another store which in itself is also a great choice of shoe which I might buy as a daily walker. First and foremost though I am currently looking for a max cushion shoe for home workouts with lots of jumping movements like dance cardio, step aerobic and stuff. I have the feeling my mind is set on keeping the FF more v4 in the neon red color (looks amazing!) and that I can skip trying out the bondi 8. The only thing I prefer about the ff v3 is that (on women's feet) they look smaller and more narrow (given that in running shoes you have to add a size to your normal size anyway which makes it a 42.5 for me!), a little bit neater for extended outside walks now and then whereas with the v4 it looks a bit as if I have Donald Duck feet. The base is wide and the foam spreads out to the sides, that's why. But for my first and foremost purpose of finding a max cushion shoe to protect my knees and feet while doing aerobics I don't think I will find a more comfy shoe than the NB ff more v4. They are like little trampolines beneath your soles. Maybe kofuzi can add his opinion on my findings??

[@meezoo2]

@@TinfoilHatGirl appreciate you reply & sharing your experement and thoughts. actually I just bought NB Fuelcell Rebel V3, Asics Novablast 3 & Nike Invincible run 2. I tried NB More V4 in a sport shop found it heavy a little bit plus not totally soft or cushiony cloud-feeling comparing to the others. I didn't like Hoka. maybe later I will buy NB More V4. thank you again for your time & reply.

[@kaustubhwasekar9376]

I’m just curious. What is your average resting heart rate?

[@kofuzi]

depends on the watch that's measuring it and it varies by the day, but somewhere in the high 50s to low 60s

[@laki1953]

Is the production in Vietnam (or China) of good quality or not?

[@kofuzi]

I always feel like there's a touch of xenophobia (or outright racism) underlying this type of question

[@laki1953]

@@kofuzi

[@laki1953]

@@kofuzi as a rule, a lot of fakes on the market are produced. so don't get smart!

[@laki1953]

The thing is that HOKA has no official branches neither in Vietnam nor in China! It does not show up on the internet!

[@jeannievaleriano7484]

Did you recommend bondi8 with a wide feet?

[@kofuzi]

I don’t have wide feet and would generally defer to wide foot reviewers. I do believe prior versions of the shoe were available in wide. I’m mot certain whether the same will be the case with this one. In the meantime, if there isn’t a wide version available, I would recommend sizing up, as I did

[@chu88y1]

i have had 2 versions in wide and they fit well. I would order wide.

[@stayer85]

what's your favorite walking shoe?

[@kofuzi]

I'm not sure I have a favorite walking shoe

[@Lireoec]

#madeittotheend

[@kofuzi]

Thank you

[@MrLoose26]

how many shoes do you own?

[@kofuzi]

I usually get rid of shoes after the 100 mile review. But I currently have somewhere around 30 or 40

[@king_has_no_clothskul8635]

@@kofuzi give it to somebody or throw them away? i mean you throw your own purchased( non sponsored) shoe after mere 100 miles? NORMALLY they have at least 500 miles on them is it not?

[@chrispotterfan]

these shoes look ridiculous chunky

[@Running111]

Heel height, forefoot height, drop..?🤔

[@kofuzi]

4mm

[@Hughjundys]

So they sent you the shoes but you didn't need to make a video or wear them. Awesome what number do I call for these free shoes that you don't need to advertise?

[@sharisamsudin]

Deja Vu

[@RaulKakashi2]

The overall part has missed

[@kofuzi]

there was an error in the video that was originally published. the last 90 seconds got cut off

[@B1gC4st]

6 was great, re-release of the B sucked, Bondi 7 was somehow just dead.

[@r.cordis8251]

Felt the same, dead and clunky.

[@Kevgti5]

I have the 7s that i got as like my second ever pair of dedicated running shoes and after a few months I got annoyed with them, too heavy and clumsy, now they are just my daily walking around/work shoe

[@kr23777]

Love the 7

[@mohdnazir4576]

Bro suggests shoes for me I got knee pain ..

[@kofuzi]

don't look at the shoes. look at your hips.

[@heythere6983]

Lower drop shoes , this has 4mm, might help or altra if you can get used to zero drop

[@moyolenovo3914]

On a slow motion it looks like a midsole barely compresses. If it is the same kind of foam and same super hyper cushion soft feeling as in Kofuzi's beloved NB More V3, I would say no, thank you. I'm not going to believe you again and make same mistake anymore buying super firm painful bulky bricks.

[@kofuzi]

Pretty different experiences underfoot. Sorry the last ones didn’t work out for you.

[@aa77655]

This or pegasus 39

[@kofuzi]

they're two very different shoes. without more context, I would say that you will probably want peg 39

[@Alex-pb7nl]

I still don't understand how the industry went from barefoot to max cushion so quickly. I really don't think our bodies were designed for squishy shoes.

[@username60737]

It's easy to get injured running in barefoot style shoes, especially on pavement.

[@i.p2088]

Hoka wide shoes are like other shoes in normal width. The midsole is 20 years old technology.. Not for running any more. Move on...

[@marcel1463]

I think the shoe is too high and therefor looks ugly.

[@king_has_no_clothskul8635]

you go by looks or the functionality? STILL they look awesome when you wear and start running! THEY STAND OUT! HOKA SIMPLY THE BEST FOR CUSHIONED SHOES! AND I DONT EVEN WEAR ONE.

[@marcel1463]

@@king_has_no_clothskul8635 'Of course most people go for the looks. Why do you think Nike is able to sell so many shoes from the 90's? Because they made some now iconic designs. I know the Air Max 97 have a dated technology compared to the Hoka, but the full lengh Air unit just looks so good that they can still sell a over 20 year old shoe model for 179€.

[@king_has_no_clothskul8635]

@@marcel1463 shoes are great. dont argue unless you have tried them. normally there is 500 miles on them and normal people wear them for a year and two. works out to 50 cents per mile( that is lot of walking OR running, if you are not in to sports). you will need more than a year to wear them out! the wear and tear is real for these elite athletes. it is not just shoes he or she has to spend on apparel and timers and on top of it diet. Not to mention they have to go elsewhere to practice( if you are a track racer!). That is a fair price! you get what you pay for. ------------ shoes are spoiled for choices. you can go as low as you want 25 bucks or free on outlets. shoes all the way to 250 to 300 bucks! nobody is forcing you to buy! ------------- NIKE HAS MADE RESEARCH AND IT HAS PLENTY OF TOP NOTCH COMPETITION FROM ADIDAS AND CO. AND IF YOU ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE WONT BUY. HYPE CAN ONLY WORK SO MUCH. PUMA ESPECIALLY HAD MORE STYLE AND ADIDAS UP THERE TOO( GERMANS ARE DAMN GOOD AS WELL) -------------- IT IS NOT JUST RACERS. OTHER SPORTS PLAYERS ALSO CONSUME A LOT( GAMES AND THEY ARE COUNTLESS). --------------- TENNIS GUYS USE LOT OF SHOES AS WEAR AND TEAR ON HARD SURFACE IS HEAVY! OF COURSE THEY NEED TO BE SPONSORED. ------------------- FOR AMATEURS YOU CHOOSE WISELY! -------------------- NORMALLY BEST TIME TO BUY IS WHEN NEW VERSION COMES PREVIOUS VERSION ARE GIVEN AWAY AT HUGE DISCOUNT. -------------------- BUT HOKA ARE IN HUGE DEMAND AS IT OFFERS MAX CUSHION. SO PEOPLE WHO WALK ALL THE TIME ON ASPHALT AND HAVE KNEE ISSUE/ARTHRITIS LOVE MAX CUSHION. BUT NOW ALL OFFER MAX CUSHION SHOES NOT JUST HOKA'S! -------------------- BUY ANY LOCAL CHEAP SHOES THEY HAVE MAX CUSHIONS. --------------------

[@nolinchitnis]

The cushions are getting more and more unrealistic and ridiculous. Every brand is trying to have the tallest stack. Not a good move. Someday this hype and stress on stack height will end by which time these brands would have sold enough useless shoes.

[@kofuzi]

Have you even tried this shoe? Or is your rant purely hypothetical?

[@king_has_no_clothskul8635]

YO. HOKA ARE PIONEERS IN CUSHION SHOES. IN FACT THEY CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA: MAX COMFORT( I READ ABOUT THEM. FRENCH+CALIFORNIA COMBO). THEY ARE NOT ABOVE 40 MM. AS THAT IS THE LIMIT SET FOR RACING. BUT YOU DONT FEEL THEM WHEN YOU REALLY WHERE THEM. AFTER 2 TO 3 MILES WHEN POUNDING GETS HARD, YOU WANT MORE AND MORE. THE ASPHALT/CONCRETE/PAVEMENT POUNDING IS BRUT OF A DEAL. YOU NEED LOT OF CUSHIONING! IT LOOKS BIG ON CAMERA BUT IN RUNNERS MOULD NOPE! EVEN FOR EVERY DAY WEAR IS GOOD AS THEY STAND OUT. IMO